Tuesday, June 21, 2005

Serbia offers 25 years of internationally recognized autonomy for Kosovo

Koha Ditore carries an interview with Aleksandar Simic, advisor to Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica. He said the autonomy that Serbia offers to Kosovo is a broad autonomy within Serbia and the Union of Serbia and Montenegro.

‘This autonomy would be guaranteed with an international agreement and by powerful international actors such as the United States, EU and Russia, and would be under the umbrella of the United Nations,’ Simic was quoted as saying. ‘There are some opinions in Belgrade that this agreement would last 20 to 25 years and could then be renewed, maybe with some changes or even under the same terms.’

Simic said the substance of this autonomy would imply full legislative, executive and judicial power for Kosovo without certain elements that are important for international sovereignty and the protection of existing borders in the Balkans.

‘This means that the southern province would not have its army and that Kosovo Albanians would not be obliged to sign with the army of Serbia or that of the Union of Serbia and Montenegro. This would also imply a strong presence of NATO in the province,’ said Simic, adding that some other elements of state sovereignty would remain under Belgrade’s control.

According to Simic, the broad autonomy would also enable the Serb population and maybe some other communities that consider Belgrade their centre, to have special and direct connections with Belgrade, especially in areas such as education, healthcare, social welfare, culture, among others.

Simic also did not rule out the possibility that Kosovo Albanians could have their seats in Belgrade’s parliament in accordance with the number of the population.

Simic was quoted as saying that Belgrade has no illusions that Albanians in Kosovo would easily accept such autonomy. But he added that ‘history is a process in which things change and Belgrade’s position is that serious talks between Belgrade and Pristina, between Albanians and Serbs, should lead toward a possible compromise.


Anonymous said...

Yeah! I guess that's as close as Belgrade can possibly get to admit that the Kosovo is gone - GONE. They know they're finished and that whatever deal they can get that will leave them in power will definitely make sense for the Serbs.

Anonymous said...

This is typical Milosevic politics, Kosovar Albanians should never accept anything other than Independence.

Anonymous said...

Yeah. I´ve told it before and I tell iy again. There will be no total independence, ie not a own country. US is also on this spot. I have met Albanian lobbyists here in US and there are totally overrunned now. Wait.

Anonymous said...

I think you are mistaken.

It's the serbs that constantly are moving their position... towards ours, which is independence. Maybe it will not be total independence right away, but within number of years it will happen.

What kind of solution is to have Nato troops there for another 25 years? Especially since the alliance wants to move those troops away to other areas?
The serbs know that they've lost and these are the last attempts to do something. And it's more for the domestic opinion than anything else...
We'll see


Anonymous said...

Yesterday I read a lame statement by Draskovic, today I read a lamer statement by this guy. What happened to no autonomy no independence; to the Bosnia model, to the Tyrol model, to less than independence but more than autonomy model????? Today we have this guy offering contracts who sounds a lot like that Dr. Faustus play. Make a contract with the devil ( Serbia) and you'll enjoy your life. Give me a break. The Serbs are beacoming lamer and lamer as each day passes. Yogoslavia is an entity that no longer exist and Kosova is cannot be a part of a non-existing entity. Kosova for a few years will be like it is now with the only important change that it will be recognized as an independent state.

Anonymous said...

Excuse the spelling mistakes.

Anonymous said...

What is Kosova? I see Kosovo on the map, but no Kosova.

Anonymous said...

Kosova? Where is that on the map?

Matt said...

I see it from another angle. It is a risk for Serbia to do this, but I think they're betting on a few things to bolster their hold on Kosova. One, with a deal complete, the rest of the world stops paying attention. Two, Serb communities in Kosova can choose to be under the government in Belgrade. Of course they will do that, making "de facto" independence a slim possibility without more conflict. Three, with no Kosova army, does Kosova really exist? Without an army, it's awfully difficult to have a country. But, maybe the situation has changed enough to make this a good option for Kosova. Politics without violence would be a good change.

Unkown said...

this site is nothing more then a pathetic blog, the way its written isnt even worthy of kindergarden status.

its propaganda in its true form.

why do you people always refer to milosevic and a serbia that was last decade.

its 2005.

kosovo and metohija is serbian and christian spiritual land. what would happen if mecca was suddenly controlled by the USA ?

Anonymous said...

Why not close the accounts with Serbia with 1999's war? Why have another war in 25 years?

We all know America will deliver independence, whatever you want to call it. What has been surprising me this last month is that Europe is also moving in that direction. They probably want to ship the refugees home so with the Swiss in, expect the Germans, Austrians, and then Scandinavians to become avid lovers of this noble idea.


Chris Blaku said...

To the obviously unstable bloggers claiming that Kosova will receive anything other than independence: WAKE UP. The information in favor of independence is overwhelming, and it is clear that a return to Belgrade's rule is impossible.

"I have met Albanian lobbyists here in US and there are totally overrunned now." Your spelling and grammar are at an elementary level-as are your ridiculous assessments of Albanian lobbyist sentiment. If you have met an Albanian lobbyist, please don't hesitate in naming them.

"this site is nothing more then a pathetic blog, the way its written isnt even worthy of kindergarden status." Kindergarten is the proper spelling of the word, imbecile. The Serbs are watching the ants while the elephants go by, and ridiculous statements such as these, seemingly from the same blogger, due to the extremely youthful patterns that appear in the wording.

"why do you people always refer to milosevic and a serbia that was last decade." Because it is the same population that supported Milosevic last decade, they have not died out or decayed. These are the people that still support Mladic and Karadzic, despite their obvious guilt of war crimes, you nitwit.

"kosovo and metohija is serbian and christian spiritual land. what would happen if mecca was suddenly controlled by the USA ?" Kosova is in no way "holy" according to any recognized Christian organization. Moreover, the Patriarch of Peja, who resides there only formally (he actually lives in Belgrade), is the reason for this land being considered holy by Serbs. The idea that Serbia is the "cradle of Serbian civilization", as ridiculously simple newspaper journalists often claim, is laughable. This melodramatic description is not only inaccurate, but outright false. This belief lies in the Serbian engineered lie that the Serbian dynasty of the Nemandji's was created in Kosova. In reality, the Serbian kingdom, and furthermore the Serbian state and dynasty, was created in Rascia, well north of Kosova's borders, today and historically. The battle of Kosova, in which Knez Lazar lead the Balkan forces against Ottoman Sultan Murat I, may be an appropriate reason for calling Kosova holy land, but then it also must be considered holy land for Albanians, Croatians, Hungarians, Turks etc. Moreover, the Serbians should realize that the loss of that battle was due to Serbian betrayal and alliance with the Turkish side. The same Serbian Christians fought side by side with the Ottomans under Stefan Lazarovic (son of Knez Lazar) who allied with Sultan Beyazit (son of Murat I), despite their father's rivalry, to fight the Christian Crusaders in 1395 under King Sigmondson of Hungary on the Danube (Battle of Nikopolis). Quick turn of events, the "christians" turning against Europe and against Christianity in only 6 years, marrying their princesses off to Sultans responsible for the death of Serbian noblemen.

The Serbian nonsense must be brought to light in historical terms, their false history must not be recognized.

Chris Blaku said...

And another thing, 25 years of autonomy?


Don't fall for this joke of a plan. And don't listen to the bigotry on these blogs, as written by Serbs under Western guise.

Anonymous said...

This report can be summarised as follows:

"Serbs want to buy time. A lot of time."

"World answers: Thanks but, no thanks! We have no time to sell."

Anonymous said...

Yes Kosova is a christian cradle of culture, an Albanian christian cradle that is.

Btw, where do you see Serbia on the map? All I see is Serbia and Montenegro...Serbs wake up you're not independent yourself!

Anonymous said...

RE: At 8:16 AM, Anonymous said...
"Yes Kosova is a christian cradle of culture, an Albanian christian cradle that is."

Does this comment mean that Albanians in Kosovo now see as opportune to convert back to Christianity, since the supreme masters in the region are not Muslims anymore?

Anonymous said...

Chris, your constant tirades on Albanian history, however accurate, are often too long and undermine your main points in your postings. Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

yes ,please give us another thought some more lessons please we'll stop existing if you don't, you f... idiot snake,

Anonymous said...

I'm albanian and even i dont think Kosova will get total independence anytime soon. Something like the Souty Tyrol model or Along Islands model will fit Kosova. Whether or not the kosovars will react violently is the question.

Anonymous said...

To: 1:42 PM blogger

Good afternoon Mr. Draskovic.
How do you do?

Anonymous said...

I am a Serb and I think Kosova will gain unconditional independence by next year.
How are you doing 1:42 blogger, or should I call Mr. Draskovic?

Chris Blaku said...

I have to rant on about it, the Serbs comments are based on a falsified history that must be corrected, 1,500 years of history is tough to fit into 1 blog.

Chris Blaku said...

By the way, in case you want to see a real rampage on history, read the Serb blogger Mirjana, and what she has to say about Albanian history.


Anonymous said...

Why did you guys misspell Kosovo? Pretty crappy site here...

Anonymous said...

Kosova, Kosovo. Italy, Italia. Germany, Deutchland. etc. So what?

Anonymous said...

is this a propaganda site?

Anonymous said...

Chris (3:58pm), I absolutely see your point, but unfortunately the quality of opposite-minded bloggers on this site probably means that they don't spend the time or effort to read your postings. No fault to you though!

Anonymous said...

It is an outright lie that the majority of Serbs in Kosovo are refugees from Croatia/Bosnia. The number of refugees from Bosnai/Croatia settled in Ksovoo is around 7000. Barely a drop in the bucket.

The vast majority of Kosovar Serbs have been in Kosovo for nearly a thousand years. Serbs have had a significant presence in Kosovo since the 900's, as our 1000 year old chuches all over the province prove.

Where are all the 1000 year old Albanain structures in Kosovo?

Anonymous said...

It is an outright lie that the majority of Serbs in Kosovo are refugees from Croatia/Bosnia. The number of refugees from Bosnai/Croatia settled in Ksovoo is around 7000. Barely a drop in the bucket.

The vast majority of Kosovar Serbs have been in Kosovo for nearly a thousand years. Serbs have had a significant presence in Kosovo since the 900's, as our 1000 year old chuches all over the province prove.

Where are all the 1000 year old Albanain structures in Kosovo?

Anonymous said...

Our 3000 year old structures are under what you call yours. The majority of your churches were Albanian first than you sent colons from all the ghettos of Serbia who destryed our structures or built your pretty recent structures over them.
The Dardanian goddes structure is at least 3500 years old. The Serb military tried to steal it during the war. I wonder why they'd be interested in stealing if it was crafted only lately? Maybe cause it proved that we've been leaving there at least since the pelasgic times.There are even ancient Egyptian scripts that mention us, the Dardans.

Anonymous said...

I meant the Dardanian Goddes statue not structure.

Unknown said...

Pure Propaganda. Anyone studying propaganda, please use this site as an example :)

whats the figure of destroyed serbian churches since NATO forces entered Kosovo?

in ten years time youll be saying that no serbian churches ever existed on kosovo...

Chris Blaku said...

Modern historians have proven the linkage between Dardanian/Illyrian directly into Kosovar Albanian. Spare me the sob story.

Yes, the Serbians have had a presence in the province since the 12th century, mildly. Their control tightened over the next 200 years, and peaked under Stefan Dusan's empire. A majority of the Churches are Albanian churches, hence their never being harmed despite Albanians maintaining a strong majority throughout history. Moreover, the number of churches in Kosova is a fraction of the number in modern day Serbia, the actual nucleus of the Serbian state.

I do not deny the Serb presence in Kosova over the past thousand years, however I do dispute your account of their impact. They never accounted for more than 10% of the population, at best. Upon the Ottoman invasion, Turk cencus reports revealed over 90% of modern day Kosova was in fact, Albanian.

Having lived in Kosova, and any who did can attest to this, the majority of Serbian inhabitants were refugees purposely placed there from Croatia and Bosnia. However you cut the cake, the Serbs have masked and inflated population figures before, and as they have displayed clearly, they will stop at nothing to prove their history to correct.

In a word, ANIMALS.

Chris Blaku said...

Serbian churches have been damaged, but none destroyed. Moreover, the government of Kosova is paying for repairs.

On the other hand, the government of Serbia has not had to answer for the burning of Albanian mosques, churches, homes, and towns. And no, they have not had to pay for the rebuilding either.

If you believe this site to be propaganda, you are welcome to engage me historically, politically, and in any other format you choose. I will make you question your very allegiance to that joke of a nation you call Serbia.

Anonymous said...

Let the Albanians have Kosovo, why not? Muslims want all the Christan lands, I still hope someone sends a nuke to Mecca one day. Muslims cannot be stopped

Anonymous said...

Hehe… this (12:48) is the most pathetic and the most primitive Serb that has blogged on this blogger so far. You underestimate the Albanian religious diversity (Catholics, Orthodoxs, Muslims, Jews). Furthermore, Kosovar Muslims are not religious at all.
Religion is used as a propaganda tool by the Serbians to justifie their war crimes and to manipulate the Europeans. What a pathetic person you are L

Have you actually met an Albanian Christian before? I suppose not since all the Albanians to the Serbs are Muslims due to the fact that they have been irreversibly brainwashed.
An Albanian Catholic

Chris Blaku said...

Religion was, and still is, a tool that has been used to attempt to divide our people on an internal level. This has always failed, and upon so, the Serbians portrayed the Albanians as barbaric Muslims, bent on allowing Osama Bin Laden to enter Europe.

A quick breeze of serb propaganda website (almost ridiculous stories), is good for amusement. For instance, they claim the leader of the Muslims in Kosova, Rexhep Boja, to be a Wahhabi cleric (Wahhabi being the militant form of Islam that Bin Laden, and Al Quada profess religiously).

This is without merit, as Mr. Boja is the one that rejected the foreign clerics of Saudi Arabia and Iran, who came with much needed medical and financial support for Kosova. Rather than allow the corruption and misleading statements to be driven among our young, impoverished population, the Albanians stood up and rejected militant Islam, and embraced the ways of society, democracy, and freedom.

The blogger above is absolutely right to mention the religious diversity of the Albanian people, as it is an example that should be idolized and followed throughout the world. We are a people that failed to realize conflict over our differences, but rather stuck by what binds us together, a mutual language, blood, and nation that we may always be proud of.

Anonymous said...

This is absurd...

The link between Albanians and Illyrians is not taken seriously by the majority of historians. For one thing, Illyrian belonged to the centum half of the indo-European family of languages, while Albanian belongs to the satem half, so it is impossible that Albanian descends from Illyrian. Don't take my word for it though, ask a professional linguist.

Second of all, even if Albanains were Illyrians (which they're not) that still wouldn't make the Serbian churches Albanian. There is no evidence that Illyrians built any churches in Kosovo. The churches that were in Kosovo prior to the arrival of Serbs were built by the Byzantines. None of them still stand. All Christian churches today in Kosovo were built by the Serbs (I believe Catholic Albanians may have built one or two Catholic churches in the last few years, but that's it).

Third of all, the Dardanians were a Thracian tribe, not an Illyrian one.

And finally, here is some information about population of Kosovo in the 1400's, from Turkish sources (in other words, strongly anti-Serbian):

Turkish cadastral tax census (defter)9 of the Brankovic dynasty lands (covering 80% of present_day Kosovo and Metohija) recorded 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). By ethnicity:

12,985 Serbian dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns
75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages
46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages
17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages
5 Greek dwellings in Lausa, Vucitrn
1 Jewish dwelling in Vucitrn
1 Croat dwelling

Here is an Austrian source:

A study done in 1871 by Austrian colonel Peter Kukulj for the internal use of the Austro_Hungarian army showed that the mutesarifluk of Prizren (corresponding largely to present_day Kosovo and Metohija) had some 500,000 inhabitants, of which:

318.000 Serbs (64%),
161.000 Albanians (32%),
10.000 Roma (Gypsies) and Circassians,
2.000 Turks


Now Chris Blaku tell us again how Serbs were never more than 10% of the population.

Chris Blaku said...

Wow, never realized copy-pasting off websites littered with Serbian resources translated into historical debate among intellectuals, however, I will have a response to every argument you have presented... I only hope you will respond- not duck and run like other Serbs on this forum.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Turkish and Austrian sources are actually Serbian propaganda. I can see I'm dealing with a real genius here.

Chris Blaku said...

Illyrian is universally accepted to have been a satem language, as is Albanian. The disagreement was over the misinformation provided by historians with regard to an ancient Venetian text which was found to be in a centum language. It was assumed that Venetian was derived in a sense from Illyrian, and when the Venetian was concluded to be a centum language, it was assumed that Illyrian had to have been as well. It has since then been proven that Illyrian was in fact a satem language, and is not disputed by anyone other than Serbian and Greek historians, which have obvious national bias in mind.

According to Noel Malcolm: "Illyrians lived in Albania and most of Yugoslavia, Thracians in Bulgaria and part of Macedonia, and the boundary between them ran approximately along the Morava valley and down the eastern side of Kosova (Kosova itself was part of the tribal land of the Dardanians, who almost certainly belonged to the Illyrian grouping.)

It is also important to note the lack of historical texts with regard to the Albanians as well as the Illyrians. It is assumed that the Yugoslav and Greek authorities participated in a campaign of cleansing all artifacts and historical documents that refer to both Illyrians and Albanians. In the time of the Romans, Greeks, Thracians, and Macedons, a curiously tiny amount of information is available about the vast culture of the Illyrians, whose empire was one of the most expansive in the region, and whose urban life was far more advanced than even the Romans of the day. Furthermore, the same pecular instance is the case with regard to the Albanian question, an absurd amount of information is unavailable. It is interesting to note that during the 20th century, when modern history was in essence, written, Albania's voice was not heard. The Albanians in Albania were silenced by a brutal, isolated, Stalinist dictatorship under Enver Hoxha, and the Albanians of the surrounding areas were silenced by their respective governments and forced to endure the most severe oppression the world had ever seen, yet still ignored. Regardless, a large number of artifacts and documents have been discovered within modern-day Albania, whose borders were subjected to less invasion and tampering than its extended border where their brethren lived. Also, numbers of British soldiers and diplomats present in Northern and Southern Albania witness Greek and Yugoslav soldiers digging up artifacts and replacing them with specified relics representative of their respective Government's interests. Going forward, the number of artifacts uncovered in the virgin lands of Central Albania is more common in number than those in the North or South of the nation, which is a fact that gives faith to the argument that Yugoslavs and Greeks conspired to disregard Albanian and Illyrian lineage and common history to advance their goals in the region, which were the mutual destruction of the Albanian state for the benefit of Yugoslavia and Greece.

Upon coming across information such as the type that was shared with us through the ignorant blogger above, one must first heed the source of the information, which we will review briefly, to expose the bias in his work.

1 Annexe I (http://www.parliament.the_stationery_office.co.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/28ap42.htm), by the Serbian Information Centre_London to a report of the Select Committee on Foreign Affairs of the The House of Commons is a component of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, which also includes the Sovereign and the House of Lords. ...House of Commons of the The Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the supreme legislative institution in the United Kingdom and British overseas territories (it alone has parliamentary sovereignty). ...Parliament of the United Kingdom.

Provided by the Serbian Information Centre in London, which was a feverishly nationalistic outfit for Serbian interests in London, thus cannot be deemed reliable and unbiased in its "facts."

1961: 646,604 Albanians or 67.1%1,5

Obviously an inaccurate estimate, based on the census takers, and the fact that Kosova was within Yugoslavia's borders.

Most of the teritorry of today's province is occupied by Italian_occupied A Greater Albania is the theoretical political movement and nationalist ideal of an Albania with all major Albanian groups and traditional territories united together. ...Greater Albania, massacres of some 10,000 Serbs, The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. ...ethnic cleansing of about 100,0001 and settling of 70,000 of Albanians from Albania is a Mediterranean country in southeastern Europe. ...Albania.

This goes beyond any common sense portrayed by professional historians. It is commonly accepted that between 1878 and 1913, MILLIONS of Albanians were either killed, raped and/or displaced due to Serbo-Greek aggression. To claim that a group of Albanians, although organized in nature, possessed the will to illegally acquire Serbian and Greek lands is absurd, particularly in the face of the obvious fact, that Serbia and Montenegro were allied with superpower Russia, and Greece was allied by superpowers France and England. It is hard to believe that a group of freedom fighters were able to overcome the will and force of the entire continent of Europe, much less to deceieve nations as economically progressive as these. Between Nis and Besiana (Northern Kosova) 700 Albanian villages were burned and ransacked by Serbians, and equally in Greece nearly 1200 villages were burned in the area known as Janina. This argument is easily dismissed as propaganda by the Yugoslavians to cover up their deportations which occurred on the date of the census taking.

5 Official Yugoslav censa results 1948_1981

Not much needs to be said about the accuracy of Yugoslav numbers, figures, and facts.

9 The original Turkish_language copy of the census is stored in This article needs cleanup. ...Istanbul's archives. However, in 1972 the Sarajevo (Summer 2004) Downtown Sarajevo and the Miljacka river. ...Sarajevo Institute of Middle Eastern Studies translated the census and published an analysis of it Kovačević Mr. Ešref, Handžić A., Hadžibegović H. Oblast Brankovića _ Opširni katastarski popis iz 1455., Orijentalni institut, Sarajevo 1972. Subsequently others have covered the subject as well suh as Vukanović Tatomir, Srbi na Kosovu, Vranje, 1986.

Turkish language documents, obviously biased due to their intense animosity towards the Albanians, particularly at the end of the 19th century due to strong rebellious activity among the Albanians within Ottoman territory in the Balkans. Moreover, the Bosnian Institute can hardly be considered an unbiased source, due to the fact that in 1972 Bosnia was part of Yugoslavia, a communist quasi-dictatorship, where unbiased studies and anti-national opinions were squashed.

Moreover, the Brankovic dynasty and their dealings with the Ottomans cannot be understated. Serb noblewomen constantly intermarried with Ottoman pasha's, Grand Viziers, and especially Sultans. The extent of the obvious degregation of the census is as follows, the Serbian Orthodox Church was given full autonomy and the right to govern over all Christian subjects. The inflated number presented by the Serb-allied Ottomans represents an obvious fact, that the Serbians themselves should be able to govern the province, whereas they would continue their process of Slavization and the forceful expulsion of Catholics, as well as their forced conversion into Orthodoxy (It is stated in Stefan Dusan's codes of Law, "Latin Heresy" is punishable by the branding of the face. Anyone who failed to realize the "true belief" was punished by death). Upon the first true Ottoman cencus reports and tallies, a surprising number of Albanians had materialized. It is the explanation of Serbians, again, that the Albanians suddenly moved from the mountains of Malesia, yet no Ottoman documents support such an outcome. Albanian historians, and most international scholars agree, that the degree of Slavization was extreme, and Albanians had Slavic names, yet upon taking a census, it appeared that the fathers of those who had Slavic names, had Albanian names, ie Vlado biri i Gjonit (Vlado son of Gjon).

Also, the Brankovic and Lazarovic rivarly continued forward, each noble family with its own Ottoman connections through vassalage. By proclaiming there to be a stronger number of Serbians in Kosova (of which Vuk Brankovic controlled a substantial part of), his enemies in the Lazarovic family would be cautious with regard to an attack or land siezure. It should be mentioned that there are various census reports from the time, however, the overwhelming majority of them are in the Albanian favor, with those in Serbian favor being published and advertised by the Yugoslavs in the second half of the 20th century, when Albania was isolated from the world and its voice not heard by scholars and historians.

Also, according to the extensive traveller Evliya Celebi, in 1624: "Prizren has 200 Catholics, 600 Orthodox and 12,000 Muslims, almost all of them Albanians" (Potopis, page 276)

10 Dr. Joseph Müller, Albanien, Rumelien und die Österreichisch_montenegrinische Gränze, Prague (Praha in Czech) is the capital and largest city of the Czech Republic. ...Prag, 1844

Dr Muller's theories have been replaced by more modern and reliable history, widely accepted among historians today. Also, Dr. Muller's as well as other historians maps of the region were intensely inaccurate, in some maps even mixing up the locations of the Black and White Drin rivers.

19Gustav Weigand, Ethnographie von Makedonien, Leipzig, 1924; Густав Вайганд, Етнография на Македония (http://www.kroraina.com/knigi/gw/gw-index.html) (Bulgarian translation)

While German Balkanologist Gustav Weigand was a pioneer in Balkan studies, his insatiable taste for extraordinary theories has since proven much of his work to be factually inaccurate. At one point Mr. Weigand proclaimed that Albanians had never inhabited the coast of modern-day Albania because the Albanian words for fish and sea, are borrowed from other languages. Obviously, with the mountainous structure of Albania's historical territory, as argued by modern Balkan specialist Noel Malcolm in his book "Kosovo," a pastoral population may have lived only 50 miles off the shore without having any contact with fish or sailing. Therefore, it can be concluded that his argument proclaiming the widely circulated theory that Albanians migrated from the Malesi in droves to the plains of Kosova following the Austro-Ottoman war is inaccurate on many fronts.

First it is necessary to note that the highlands of Malesi in northern Albania were host to fiercely defensive Catholic tribes, therefore an influx of "muslim" Albanians would have geographically been impossible, being that the vast majority of highlanders in the proposed region were Catholics. As stated by Noel Malcolm in "Kosovo," (page 138) Pjeter Mazrreku reported from Prishtina in 1924: "not long ago ten Catholic families came from Albania to live in the area": in Suha Reka in 1637 Gjergj Bardhi found fiften Catholic families who had fled there from the Dukagjin mountains because of 'assassins'; and Gregor Mazrreku found several Albanians at a nearby village in 1651 who had also 'fled from the mountains'. According to Malcolm, the most significant move of Albanians from the Malesi mountains to anywhere was in 1637 in the town of Krateva, east of Shkup, where 35 Albanian Catholic families had moved.

As written by Malcolm: "Overall, however, one conclusion is certain: the number of people migrating into the Kosova area from northern Albania during this period was, relative to the already existing Albanian population of Kosova, extremely small. The Malesi was almost entirely Catholic, the reports by the Catholic priests in Kosova are thorough and very detailed; and it is not possiblel to imagine taht many thousands of Catholic immigrants could have escaped their notice- even (or, perhaps, especially) if they did not remain Catholic for long"

Therefore, Mr. Weigand's argument, borrowed from Serbian historians, is clearly laid to rest, as many of his other theories on Albanians and their history constantly are.

Moreover, one can argue further that the alleged exodus of 500,000 Serbians to follow the Patriarch of Peja, Arsenije III Crnojevic. In all actuality, it was the Albanians, even the Muslims, that encouraged and helped the Austrian Habsburgs. Despite Serbian allegations, it is widely recognized that the Austrians were greeted in Prizren by "6,000 Muslims, almost all of them Albanians, bearing crosses for the Austrians and pleding their support through the Albanian Catholic Archbishop of Shkup, Pjeter Bogdani." As directly quoted by early German accounts "5,000 Arunauts (Albanians) who were some of them Christian and some of them Muslim Albanians, stood in two lines with their guns and... fired three salvos one after the other." It is claimed even further than Mr. Crnojevic was not even present in Kosova at the time of the fabled great exodus, which Serbians equate with the death and burial of Jesus Christ (The loss at the myth-ridden Battle of Kosova in 1389 is equated with the murder of Christ, and the resurrection of Christ is equated with the taking of Kosova in 1912 by Serbian forces, illegally).

21Zec, Stevan, "Maps of our dividings political atlas of Yugoslav countries in XX century", Beograd : Beogradsko mašinsko_grafičko preduzeče, 1991.
22ISBN 86_80029_29_7: Mirčeta Vemić: Ethnic Map of a Part of Ancient Serbia: According to the travel_record of Miloš S. Milojević 1871_1877, Belgrade, 2005

No need to explain the bias in this resource.

I would love to continue and destroy all of Serbia's falsified history piece by piece, however, I welcome a response by the Serb blogger so we can continue.

Chris Blaku said...


Moreover, one can argue further that the alleged exodus of 500,000 Serbians to follow the Patriarch of Peja, Arsenije III Crnojevic, never actually happened. **

Anonymous said...

How convenient, you simply disregard any source which doesn't agree with you. Yugoslav sources from WWII onwards were very precise. Communists were known for their meticulous record-keeping. And from the time of autonomy in Kosovo until 1989, the census was under direct control of the Albaian authorities themselves.

I'm still curious how you disregard the Turkish source from 1455 as inaccurate? Turks were always strongly anti-Serbian, surely they wouldn't have tried to falsely claim Serbs being a majority in Kosovo if they weren't? LOL... What about the Austrian sources, why would Austrians claim Serbs a majority if they weren't? Don't be ridiculous...

And Turkish, Austrian, and Italian sources all agree that at the turn of the century Kosovo's total population was roughly 500,000. So how could a million Albanians have been driven out of Kosovo at that time?! In fact, the entire population of Albania wasn't even a million at the turn of the century (it reached 1 million around 1930).

In fact, not only were Albanians not always the majority in Kosovo, but they weren't even the majority in Albania until 1769. Aromanians were, and the Albanians becamse the majority by assimilating, driving out, and killing thousands of Aromanians in that year when they destroyed their capital of Moscopolis.

The only major ethnic cleansing of Albanians occured in 1945 when Greece kicked out all the Albanians out of Chameria. But those Albanians had collaborated with the Nazis, so it can easily be argued that the Greeks were fully justified in it (the Serbs should have done the same to the Albanians in Kosovo but they didn't).

Illyrian is most certainly not "universally" accepted to be satem. The vast majority of linguists consider it to be centum. The ONLY historians who consider it satem are those who try to link it to Albanian, and they have no proof for a satem language, the only reason they claim it to be satem is in order to be able to link it to Albanian.

I would like to see you back up your statement that "it has been proven that Illyrian was a satem language". This has certainly not been proven. Also if you knew anything about linguistics you would know that there are no proofs in linguistics, only stronger and weaker arguments. Linguistics isn't math.

Anyways I am arguing with someone far less knowledgeable than myself about this subject so I would suggest that you read the following link to get up to speed:


It describes in detail every possible theory of Albanian origin and convers everything you could want to know. Also note that none of the sources there are of Serbian origin.

Anonymous said...

“Yugoslav sources from WWII onwards were very precise. Communists were known for their meticulous record-keeping”

We are very well aware of this, since most of the record keeping was done by the Serbs.

“I'm still curious how you disregard the Turkish source from 1455 as inaccurate? Turks were always strongly anti-Serbian, surely they wouldn't have tried to falsely claim Serbs being a majority in Kosovo if they weren't?

How? During that period unlike Serbs the Albanians, under the leadership of Gjergj Kastrioti-SKENDERBEG, as a nation were the protectors of the whole Christian civilization. Therefore, unlike Serbs, Albanians never paid taxes to their enemy, which is why you have to disregard those sources. Furthermore, for his invaluable contribution to the protection of European civilization, Skanderbeg earned during his lifetime the titles of “Protector of Christianity”, “Athlete of Christ”. You can not say that for any Serbs, which under ottoman empire not only survived physically, but were able to preserve (and steel) much of their culture as well as their lives.

“What about the Austrian sources, why would Austrians claim Serbs a majority if they weren't? Don't be ridiculous.”

If you are knowledgeable about this subject, as you claim, I would suggest that you use your analytical mind (if still functioning) to come across as one that deserves that claim. Saying that, the government of Serbia invaded from their chauvinist trend to annex the Albanian lands, declared publicly in the year 1844 the known program with the name of "Naçertanie" and from the governors of Athens under the name of "Megali Ideja". Under their greedy nationalist claims, Belgrade and Athens, found very quickly a political and military common language to divide among themselves the Albanian lands.
This common language was first presented in the secret talks that were developed by Serbian and Greek diplomats in Istanbul, in 1862 and were materialized in their hidden alliance with Austria, in Vesllau for the partitioning of the Albanian lands among themselves with the common border the river of Shkumbin and further the road Egnatia.

This makes the Austrian sources that you refer to as unreliable. There are many facts that can prove their biased nature.

“The only major ethnic cleansing of Albanians occured in 1945 when Greece kicked out all the Albanians out of Chameria. But those Albanians had collaborated with the Nazis, so it can easily be argued that the Greeks were fully justified in it (the Serbs should have done the same to the Albanians in Kosovo but they didn't)”

This shows your true colors. A Serb nationalist or Serb biased that will find excuses to justify the crimes committed against the Albanians.
The major ethnic cleansing of Albanians by the Greek is not related to Nazis in anyway possible. Those were as a result of a campaign that at the center of it had the anti-Albanian programs that were prepared jointly with the Serbs.

As far as the Nazis go you should probably read a book by Philip J. Cohen, David Riesman:Serbia's Secret War: Propaganda and the Deceit of History by

This book written by Cohen (himself an American Jew) sheds some much needed light on the Serb fascist puppet state during WWII, and the atrocities that took place there. Ethnic Serbs took active part in the prosecution and genocide of Jews, resulting in Serbia being one of the first states in Europe to be declared 'Judenfrei'. There were never much resistance to the German forces stationed in Serbia Proper during WWII. The Zbor and Chetniks [Serb fascist forces] who were actively killing Muslims and Albanians [and collaborating in the prosecution and killing of Jews] were the most active military units in this area - not the German Wehrmacht.

What this meticolously documented book shows, is the art of the Serb propaganda after WWII trying to demonise especially Croats as a genocidal fascist nation and the Serbs as being all Partisans and most importantly victims on the same level as the Jews being killed during WWII. If you tell a lie a hundred times, it becomes the truth. By repeating the same lies over and over again, the Serb propaganda machinery has effectively created a myth that says all Serbs were victims during WWII. This is far from the truth, as many actively collaborated with the Nazis, and many more took a part in the killing of Jews, Albanians, Bosnians and Croats. This book illuminates an ugly part of Serbian history not widely known outside the former Yugoslavia. Much of the material is sourced from archives primarily in Belgrade, which should speak volumes (the above are some of the reviews that were written about the book).

According to the language you used “(the Serbs should have done the same to the Albanians in Kosovo but they didn't)” and Cohen, Albanians and Croats should have ethnically cleansed Balkans from Serbs.

As far as the our ancestors, Illyrians, go I am not going to even waste my energy on you. It will be like talking to my dog whatever you might say to him he will just bark nonsense.

Furthermore, most of the archives containing anything to do with the Albanians have been destroyed by both Greek and Serbian academia. As a dear friend of mine put it, the books containing Albanian pages were either stolen or their pages ripped off. However, not all of archives have been fully explored. Thanks to the booming Albanian society and the youth with great potentials those facts are going to come to light one day.


PS the website that you are suggesting is done mostly by serb biased individuals

Chris Blaku said...

I disregard historical documents which were falsified, have since been proven to be false, and most importantly, are obviously engineered by governments with national interest. Albanian authorities answered to Serbian authorities in Belgrade, so to designate their ethnic origin as bearing loyalty to their ethnic origin is extremely simplistic in your thinking.

First and foremost, Turkish documents and cencus reports were ALWAYS taken with religion in mind. So when you mention Serbian Orthodox Villages, you are speaking of Orthodox Villages, and most importantly, even after the obvious Brankovic influence through his Turkish vassalage.

Turks were not anti-Serbian until their Russian inspired rebellion in the late 19th century, when they immediately began to conspire to create a false history and annex Albanian lands. More importantly, your ignorance is made obvious through your lack of knowledge in one of the most profoundly known facts of factual Serbian history, their immediate and long term partnership with the Ottomans. Immediately upon the loss of the Balkan Christians at the Battle of Kosova in 1389- due in part to Knez Lazar's cousin defecting to the Ottomans at a crucial time in the battle- the degree of Serbian and Ottoman cooperation was unparalleled in the empire, even by the fiercely loyal Bosnians. Knez Lazar's son and successor, Stefan, immediately married his sister, Olivera, off to the Sultan Beyazit (son of Sultan Murat I, the man who executed Stefan Lazarovic's father before being killed by Albanian Milesh Kopili). Moreover, Beyazit cherished Olivera so much that he even refrained from the formal conversion to Islam that was formally required.

Even more interesting is the fact that in the Battle of Nikopolis in 1395 (only 6 years later) Serbians under Stefan Lazarovic and Vuk Draskovic fought on the side of Sultan Beyazit against King Sigmonsond of Hungary, who pressured Pope Bonafice to issue a Crusade against the Ottomans. That was only 6 years after Serbia's "defense of Christianity," which easily shows that they were a people that switched alliances conviniently. This clearly disproves any linkage of Turkish animosity of Serbians, and furthermore, during the time of your proposed census, Turkey was in a simmering clash with Gjergj Kastrioti, and there was bitter animosity among Turkish pashas over the Albanians humiliation of the Porte.

Going forward, in 1448, the Second battle of Kosova took place between King Sigmonsond if Hungary and his Catholic regiments. Prior to this, due to a decline in the relations of Serbia and Hungary, Serbia had issued a proclomation barring Hungarian entrance in Serbian land, which was disregarded by Sigmonsond, who was to meet with Gjergj Kastrioti of Albania to join against the Turks. Kastrioti promised 25,000 soldiers, and delivered, however was late due to a skirmish in Northern Albania because of common Venetian land siezures. Furthermore, regardless of the fact that Serbia's position within the Empire was diminishing, in an attempt to gain favor with the Sultan, the noblemen of Serbia warned the Sultan of the Catholics imminent arrival in Kosova to engage the Ottoman forces, as well as the fact that Gjergj Kastrioti had pledged his troops to the Catholic cause. The battle lasted three days, and it can easily be assumed that any slight change would have altered the course in this fiercely competitve battle. In essence, again, the Serbian betrayal of Christianity had cost the Balkans centuries more of Turkish rule.

At the turn of the century, Austrian information on Kosova was loosely based on Joseph Muller. Obviously, Mr. Muller is acknowledged to be an esteemed historian, however it has come to light that his main source of information was the Orthodox Metropolitan of Prizren. Mr. Muller went on to imply that the majority of Albanians in the Peja district were Albanianized Serbs, which is a theory long proven to be false by modern historians. Austrian maps and census reports were built off Mr. Mullers information, as well as limited hands on maps that were useless in foreign excursions in the region. Edith Durham claimed that European maps and census reports were bad to the point that she figured they were imagined by officials in an effort to just get something done in an area they were sure no right-minded foreigner would ever visit.

Austria is also the center of the sister-organization of the Archbishop of Peja, founded by Archbishop Arsenije III Crnojevic, in the minor exodus of Serbians towards Austria and Hungry after the Austro-Ottoman War of the late 17th century. Moreover, constant Austrian support for the Serbian state to gain independence from the Ottomans was rampant, as the Austrians territorial ambitions were geared towards Serbia and even Northern Albania. This, therefore presents their information and sources as extremely biased.

According to Noel Malcolm: "Most scholars believed that Illyrian was a satem language, until linguists analysed the surviving inscriptions in Venetic, a language of north eastern Italy which was assumed (on the authority of ancient authors) to be related to Illyrian. This turned out to be definitely centum, and persuaded some experts that the whole Illyrian group must have been centum too- in which case Albanian could not have come from Illyrian. However, more recent research has shown that Venetic had nothing to do with Illyrian. (Similar problems caused by another language thought to be related to Illyrian, the Messapian language of souther Italy, have also been resolved in the same way). Illyria was probably satem after all."
If you require the sources, Katicic- Ancient Languages p 163, 174, and 184. One more recent attempt to prove that Illyrian was centum is by Scramm, Anfrange pp 26-27. But his argument rests only on one speculative etymology for a river-name, connecting it with an Indo-European root for 'knee': this does not match the known derivation from that root in Albanian (see Hund, Basic Etymologies, p. 70).

Your comments on Albanians being a minority in Albania are laughable, and frankly do not require comment, as they are easily demolished by any respectable modern historian.

The deportations of Albanians by Greeks took place a long time before World War 2, and claiming Albanians as Nazi Collaborators is a vicious attack that has been presented on many fronts in many environments. The Serbs declared Belgrade to be the first Jew Free City in the world, and Albanians were proven by the Jewish community to be anything but collaborators.

Please do not link me to webpages- discuss a valid arguments and present facts. Faruk said enough on Austrian linkage and bias to Serbian history, and presented you with more than enough to chew.