Tuesday, January 31, 2006

World powers urge Serbs to listen to Kosovo demands

LONDON, Jan 31 (Reuters) - The world's major powers reminded Belgrade on Tuesday that any agreement on the future status of Kosovo must be acceptable to the people living in the province, many of whom want full independence from Serbia.

In what appeared to be a toughening of its stance, the contact group on the future of Kosovo also called on all parties to do everything possible to reach such an agreement by the end of the year.

"Ministers look to Belgrade to bear in mind that the settlement needs ... to be acceptable to the people of Kosovo," the contact group said in a statement issued after talks in London.

"The disastrous policies of the past lie at the heart of the current problems," read the statement, issued jointly with the European Union presidency, NATO's Secretary-General and United Nations representatives including the U.N. special status envoy.

"Today, Belgrade's leaders bear important responsibilities in shaping what happens now and in the future."

New talks on the future of Kosovo -- the first under a U.N. mediation process launched last November -- had been due to start on Jan. 25 but were postponed due to the death of Kosovan President Ibrahim Rugova four days earlier.

A U.N. mediator was quoted on Tuesday as saying they could now take place in late February.

Kosovo has been run by the United Nations since 1999, when NATO drove out Serb forces accused of atrocities against ethnic Albanian civilians during a 2-year war with separatist guerrillas.

Ninety percent of Kosovo's population of two million people is made up of ethnic Albanians, most of whom demand nothing less than independence from Serbia.

Although Serbs oppose secession, Western diplomats say the final settlement on Kosovo will almost certainly meet the calls of the local population.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Enough said! However, I am sure serbs will put a spin on this as meaning Kosova must stay within s(cum)erbia. Talk about a nation living in a fucking LSD induced trip.

Anonymous said...

Serbs still think that they won the war, therefore they really think that they could negotiate.

What Serbia may be able to negotiate about may be the amount of war reparations that it will need to pay to Kosova... not even that.

Prince of Albania said...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these are not negotiations about Kosovo's Independent Status! These are negotiations about the status of Serbs within an Independent Kosovo!

The tone of the Contact Group's statement solidifies my claims.

Basically they said: Belgrade Kosovo's people overwhelmingly want independence so that's what it'll be: Prishtina Kosovo’s Serbs want autonomy so that's what it'll be.

This is not a positive development by any means. We already knew that Kosovo will become independent, however the West, with the US and UK in particular, are becoming more and more lenient towards the idea of Serb autonomy within Kosovo.

This amounts to an ethnic division of Kosovo and will prove disastrous in the long run.

The best and most positive way to solve the issues of Kosovo Serbs is through meaningful municipal decentralization not by separation and segregation.

Oh well, what can you do when you have no army, no money and no country? You take what you can get!
Too bad!

Best Regards, Prince of Albania.

Mir said...

I'm going to speak on behalf of many people with what I say now assuming many feel the way I do.

Serbia would have given Kosovo independance a LONG time ago if they were truly convinced this was ACTUALLY going to be an 'independant' Kosovo and not Albania II.

Most of us feel Kosovo was lost in 1999 and simply want to have some control over some of the land because it is considered important in our history to us for many reasons.

Rugova was doing a good job and I am truly sad that he died because I feel he truly did want an INDEPENDANT Kosovo not a Albanian 'independant' Kosovo. To us this basically looks like we are going to cede land to Albania which we will not do. If you can truly convince me it is a TRUE independant Kosovo you want and not an Albania II than you will likely gain support (or atleast understanding) of many Serbians.

Anonymous said...

Republic of Kosova had a popullation of 2,200,000 in 1992. By now it should have touched 2,400,000. Also you know how Belgrade (and Serbs) claim they have over 300k refugees from kosova? Well how bout all those driven by Serbia since 1980's. In reality Serbs are only 5% minority. Another 4-5% are Other. So the statement "while 90%" is a little incorrect. It's not only Albanians that want independence, it's all Kosovars, excluding serbs.

While serbs are dying to get N.Mitrovica well too bad you can't. Trepça belongs to Kosova, not to serbia. Also those that want autonomy, they will soon be dissapointment, their dreams will be shattered. Either way, they have expressed their wish, if Republic of Kosova = INDEPENDENT, they = Going to Serbia.

Mir said...

Good idea anonymous, maybe you should cleanse the Serbs off the land because they are evil demon rapists! Yeah!

Anonymous said...

Where did i mention that they are devils? I don't even believe that. I believe in truth. Can't wait till that popullation count starts, then we'll see when the total popullation is way over 2.4 million, can't wait for the look in your face.

Republic_of_Kosova said...

"Good idea anonymous, maybe you should cleanse the Serbs off the land because they are evil demon rapists! Yeah!"

I replied, but not that i reread it I'm now pissed. Yes it's true your Serbian compadres, (is that what you call each other in russia?) raped a lot. It's true that your buddies are involved in the Srebenica massacre, Raçak and Drenica. Also for all of you dumbasses, the Kosova War started because Serbian police went to Drenica and massacred 20-24 (not sure of the exact number) of the Jashari family. Then one member decided to do something and started to defend his family.

If we actually stooped to your level, we'd rather send you back to the Ural Mts. than massacre, you are NOT worth it.

Titan said...

Mir,

Thank you for your kind words. But I don't understand what do you mean by 'Inedpendent Kosova, and/or not Independet Albania'.
Kosova is populated by over 90% albanians; Its name is Kosova but still it is albanian land, albanian state. Albania I or Albania II it doesn't matter, its albanian. There is no difference and will not be any. At this case a person eather is albanian or not. It is like saying I support independence for republika srpska but not as serbian state!!! No sense.

Regards.

Anonymous said...

To Mir
I will like to hear more from you if you can elaborate more on the subject.I want to know what is "TRUE independant Kosovo" and "Albanian 'independant' Kosovo" for you.

Serbia is not ceding anything,they are taking the land from you and giving it to the people that it belongs, the people that live there.90% of this people are Albanians and 10% of other ethnities.It is a natural process,and you will see it that there will not be Albania 1 or 2.It will be only Albania.You serbs tried in all immaginable ways to exterminate Albanians in centuries but you couldn't succede.Why are you Serbs afraid of a "Great Albania" like you call it?

Kristian said...

To: Everyone

What Mir is trying to say, to my understanding is that he, as he mentioned in his blog that in '99 they(serbs) knew they lost kosovo/a.

The serbian ppl would feel more reasured if the independence is truly an independence, rather then a possilbe collusion with the country of Albania.

Yes it is the desire of many albanians to have a greater albania. If someone says otherwise, it would be a lie.

The fact is Kosovo/a or whatever name will be chosen to call the land has to be its only country as either the Kosovar ppl or whatever name is chosen. Serbs would feel comfortable if this was trully true and not some partition of Kosovo/a to someday join albania. If the politians can reasure serbs this they will all feel at ease. And it has to be, like the word "besa" implies the word of the ppl that this is our goal of becomming independent and nothing more. We would win a lot of brownie points with the serbs.

Serbs get upset bc we do not speak with one voice and that is the problem. We all know we want to be independent, but we all have to emphasize this in one voice so serbs can believe it, bc right now they don't.

Their church sites have to be protected and it should be a federal mandate to do so by the Albanians. This could actually help our economy in the long run actually. If the sites (not all) are made into museums (example)the money that would be generated by tourism to visit these sites by serbs could be a big potential market. Serbs again would feel safe in knowing that their sites are protected. At the same time we can make money off the sites. Not the church itself but Hotels, restaurants, etc near the sites. We would win tremendous brownie points and respect not just from the serbs but from countries around the world.

All Minorities have to be protected. There are other minorities besides the serbs. Yes there are ppl that left Kosovo/a for serbia. I do not believe that they were all forced bc there is enough footage showing the majority left with the army as it left the region. The claims they've been driven out, is to a great extent an exaggeration by the media, doesn't matters who's.

Mir I would like to say that if the balkan countries do join the EU, it really will not matter (the fear of greater albania) bc our economies will have to integrate if ---WE ALL WANT TO SURVIVE ECONOMICALLY!

Its like a river and 2 individuals. One person crosses it but the other can't. So they're split by the river. In order to build a bridge both individuals have to participate otherwise no bridge will be built.

All ppl no matter if albanian or serb or any other minority in the region. WE CAN NOT THINK OF JUST TODAY! WE MUST THINK IN TERMS OF 5 YRS FROM NOW, 10YRS FROM NOW, 20YRS AND SO ON.........

We all will join the EU eventually, and in every economic model your closest neighbors become your strongest trading partners. THIS IS REALITY NOT FICTIONNNNNNNNN!

We've all suffered and lost family members, I know that for a fact bc I have. I can gripe, scream, accuse, generalize, hate, point at, etc etc nothing will bring my family members back, all I can do is wish that they're in a better place now.

The Albanians have to really have this sink into their hard headed mentality. (if someone argues that they're not, then your a fool and if you're a serb trying to instigate this, serbs are 100% the same and if you argue otherwise then you are a fool too.) All in all we're the same SHIT! Yes I said SHIT! Bc we're both hot blooded/headed, we're easily provoked, we don't trust, etc, etc... Reality is the past is the past,the question we should ask ourselves is: what is each and everyone of us going to do about the future?

Economically we will eventually need each other to survive, even if we don't think so at the moment. Yes I hate the SOB's that killed my family members, but do I hate all serbs! DEFINATELY NOT! I have a great neighbor who's a serb and grew up with his kids, best of friends actually, when we were kids we were teased bc we were different, but when it came to a fight boy did we stick together. I'm not saying this to promote serbs nor albanians, but I am writing this bc I WANT PPL TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR GOVT. NEEDS TO DO MORE (not just the govt. but the ppl mostly) SO THAT WE WILL GET OUR STATE AND WILL PROTECT OUR MINORITIES AND BUILD BETTER RELATIONS WITH ALL OUR NEIGHBORS!

Like Prince of Albania has pointed out, its not about independence anymore. And that truly is a fact, bc CG has already decided on our status.

Now its to see how many concessions Serbia will get to agree and what europe will give it in return. Arguments will be made on both sides, why's, if's, because's, I's, we's and THE PPL, etc. etc... Serbia will use Kosovo/a as its barganing chip. I hope you all heard me correct. They also will fight as much as possible to ensure their ppl or put a monkey wrench in our future govt. system.

Its imperative that the albanians do what is necessary prior to these comming up at the meetings. PPL have to realize (even if they have deep pain and traumatization bc of the war in their hearts and minds) that they need to be serious about getting independence. And throughout history we've been known for 3 things mostly, Bravery (trimni), Great hosts (mikprica), and Our WORD of HONOR (besa). Sorry I really don't how to spell good in albanian and don't chastize me about it either.

The ppl need to SOLEMNLY DEVOTE themselves to our main goal (INDEPENDENCE) and what it truly means to be independent with a functioning DEMOCRACY.

We can't instigate, threaten, try to impose our will on serbs, for we will only mirror what serbs did to us and be no better. We will stoop to their level(previous regimes) and that would be a shame. We must put all our prejudices aside and never focus on that, bc it will only eat us up in the long run.

It will boil down to what guarantees we will give to ensure that minorities will be safe and secure in Kosovo/a. Integration is key.

We might not love or agree with the minorities but we must get along. Otherwise the international community will have a list of stipulations, conditional independence, and an array of demands that we will have to uphold to get full independence.

Peace to all and a better LIFE FOR ALL CITIZENS IN THE LAND OF KOSOVO/A!

arianit said...

Mir, do you really believe that that is the problem Kosova has been kept hostage for 6 years after the war? Come on, get real! This situation has been hurting the Serbs even more than Albanians because they are the weakest link in the Prishtina-Belgrade tug of war.
My question to you is: why aren't Serbs coming back even after their houses are rebuilt?! Can Serbs imagine coming back to a Kosova where Albanians are bosses? Do you feel they have to act in any way in order to feel more welcome in Kosova? Would they swear allegiance to a State of Kosova that grants them all EC human rights? Is there Serbs racism among the average Serb towards Albanians?

ivan said...

arianti ,

"My question to you is: why aren't Serbs coming back even after their houses are rebuilt?! Can Serbs imagine coming back to a Kosova where Albanians are bosses? Do you feel they have to act in any way in order to feel more welcome in Kosova? Would they swear allegiance to a State of Kosova that grants them all EC human rights? Is there Serbs racism among the average Serb towards Albanians? "

Get real? in what planet do you live. How can people come back, when they have no water, electricity, no freedom of movement and now the newest thing is that you cut their telephone lines. If you could invent any way to take air away from them you would. Give the Serbian people normal conditions of life and they will come back. Ensure their saftey, ensure that they can walk around Kosovo & Metohija without the UNMIK guards, and people will come back and if your future state becomes independent , they will be good citizens. But supress them, and you will always have a problem in your if future state.

ivan said...

fore those of you who can read Serbian here some news for you:

Gračanica -- Telekom Srbija saopštava da je na području centralnog Kosova i srpskih enklava prestao rad fiksne i mobilne telefonije.


...i bez telefona (itu.int)


Precizira se da je do prestanka rada telefonije došlo usled diverzije kojom je uništena oprema Telekoma Srbija u Gračanici, odnosno zbog presecanja komutacionih kablova. "Stručne ekipe su na licu mesta i ulažu sve napore kako bi što pre bio uspostavljen normalan telekomunikacioni saobraćaj", navodi Telekom Srbija.

Jedan od lidera kosovskih Srba Ranđel Nojkić izjavio je da su radnici Ministarstva Kosova za transport i telekomunikacije jutros presekli sve kablove na linku u selu Sušica, kod Gračanice. "Pored struje koju nemamo i vode koju imamo samo delimično, sada smo ostali i bez sredstava komunikacije", kaže Nojkić.

On dodaje da je u dvorištu Osnovne škole Sveti Sava zatekao radnike Ministarstva i pripadnike Kosovske policijske službe kako presecaju kablove."Kada sam tražio ovlašćenje na osnovu kog to rade, pokazali su mi papir na albanskom, iako su na Kosovu službeni jezici i srpski i albanski. Apelujem na Vladu Srbije i resorno ministrarstvo Srbije da odmah reaguju i zahtevaju hitan sastanak s predstanicima UNMIK-a kako bi radne grupe za transport i telekomunikacije i predstavnici UNMIK-a hitno rešili taj problem", kaže Nojkić.

dave said...

ivan,

How can you expect the Kosovo Serbs to have perfect electricity, water and telephone connections when the majority of Kosovo/a's other citizens don't even have that guarantee??

To further complicate the issue, many serb enclaves have terrible electric service because they don't pay their electric bills!! (see Brezovica and the region of Strpce for a good example, they haven't paid in SIX years. it's a wonder they have any power at all). they refuse to pay their bills to KEK, because it is not a serbian entity, yet they expect to receive services BETTER than that what the rest of the PAYING population receives.

I would say it looks like the Kosovar government has made HUGE steps to rebuild serb houses, do you expect them to fully pay for their utilities as well? Do you think that the Serb minority's 15% representation in the Kosovar parliament is unfair? Get real.

They have to stop allowing themselves to be manipulated by belgrade and start playing an active role in their own welfare.

Side note: I was in Prishtina over the holidays visiting some friends. We were walking down the street one day and the Albanians I was with passed some Serbs on the street who they hadn't seen since before the war. And you know what? They stopped, hugged each other and caught up on old times for about 15 minutes. Speaking Serbian the whole time. That's probably a different picture than the one you have of Kosovo/a isn't it?

You need to look at the reality on the ground. Kosovo/a is changing with the times and your stereotypes/opinions must change along with them.

Cvijus011 said...

here's the english version:

Kosovo Serbs lose phone service too | 13:07 February 01 | FoNet, Beta


GRACANICA -- Wednesday – Telekom Serbia has reported that Serbian enclaves in Central Kosovo have lost their stationary and mobile phone services as well.

Many of these Serbian communities have already been without electricity for several days. According to Telekom, equipment has been damaged in Gracanica, stating that cables have been severed in the region and expert teams are doing everything they can in order to rectify the telecommunications situation as soon as possible.

Kosovo Serb leader Randjel Nojkic said that workers of the Kosovo Transport and Telecommunications Ministry cut down all the cables connecting the village Susica, near Gracanica.

“Other than the electricity which we do not have, we only have partial water availability, and now we have no way of communicating either.” Nojkic said.

He added that while he was visiting the Sveti Sava primary school, he found more ministry workers cutting cables.

“When I asked for information on who ordered them to do this, they handed me a document in Albanian, even though all official documents should be in both Serbian and Albanian. I am calling on the Serbian Government to take action immediately and demand an urgent meeting with UNMIK officials so that the transport and telecommunications work groups and UNMIK Can solve this problem promptly.” Nojkic said.

ivan said...

dave,

is it OK to change the borders so the new map of europe should look like this map:

http://kosovar2006.blogspot.com/2005/11/dua-te-prezentoj-4-pjes-te-nje-shrimi.html

fauna said...

ivan,
didn't you want your big serbia?
that map is a fantasy

dave just shut you up and you're coming back with that?

i'll be waiting for a serb blogger to say "what if Texas asked for independence, you think that's ok"
bla bla bla

Anonymous said...

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we all know that is what you want, you probably also have dreams of taking over Albania and croatia. Also if Albanians (Albanes) wanted to form some sort of a union, so what? Maybe the Yugoslavia didn't work (maybe cuzz u beat everyone and stole money) it's our choice to do what we want. But a permenant state with Albania, nu uh, at least 80% oppose it for a good reason. But because we can freely pass from one country to another with just ID that's nothing illegal like your psychotrist makes it out to be. IF bosnia allowed free movememnt with Serbia Albania or republica wouldn't jump on its feet, "look world terrorism".

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arianit said...

Ivan,

When Albanians were under occupation we paid our bills to the last dinar every month. The limit back than for non-payment was 15 days not SIX years.
You are reading biased news sources because otherwise you would know that Albanians that don't pay their bills go through the same thing: no pay no play. Kosova is importing the vast majority of its electricity from the neighbhoring countries at special prices and somebody has to pay for it. It's not like we are saving our lignite. However, if the state of Serbia (to which most Serbs still adher to) wants to chip in with electricity, it certainly can do so to cover the expenses of Serbs and not charge illegal fees for energy passing through its territory.
Prishtina built the homes. Then Serbs asked for water, sewage and roads. Is that how much they love their sacred land? Imagine if Albanians had made the same condtitions to come back? That's pathetic, Ivan.
Let me remind you that Albanians only got the building material and then set to work to build their roofs and burned homes. Since 1999 many roads have been built by joint contribution of communities, local and central government, and organizations like USAID. You can't set up conditions from Serbia for something that you didn't have even during the good old times of the occupation to a government that you don't even recognize.


I'm still waiting for Mir's answer!

fauna said...

ivan,
did you see that map of velika serbia that anonymous posted?

damn that's big

ivan said...

Fauna,

yes i saw it, but its unrealistic and it was proposed by the Serbian Radical Party, and now they are not so extreme about the idea. I dont support that map, and I am against any border changes within Europe. But you did not reply to me. Would you like to see in the future "Great Alabania" to be on the map of Europe?

I dont understand the reason why you albos keep on avoiding to answer this question.

As for electricity shut downs, it took you 6 years to shut the electricity to the Serbian enclaves. Good , but why did you decide to shut it down now in the winter, when the temperatures reached the record minus temperatures. Come on, you could have switched off this electricity in Autumn, and given the people the chance to pay out the dues, or Serbia to pay the dues for its citizens. Dont tell me it is a coincidence? And after all Serbia paid for these dues, and why are now these people still without electricity?


arianti said,
"Kosova is importing the vast majority of its electricity from the neighbhoring countries at special prices and somebody has to pay for it. It's not like we are saving our lignite. However, if the state of Serbia (to which most Serbs still adher to) wants to chip in with electricity, it certainly can do so to cover the expenses of Serbs and not charge illegal fees for energy passing through its territory. "

Please explain to me what illegal fees? If something passes through the territory of Serbia fees need to be paid, since you declare yourself not to be part of the Serbia Elektroprivreda. And we have the right to charge you any price we want for our services. Its up to you then, take it or leave it.

Republic_of_Kosova said...

So you support that map? No one asked who drew it. It's not all albanians everywhere want to connect every land we had and make it into one country, that image you saw was albanian lands.
If we wanted greater albanian we'd draw that image into our flag.

Why cut the power in the winter?
Because this will make them pay the 6-year long fee, plus people (non serbs) have been getting more and more annoyed with the idea of serbs being treated like god. How can you tell a Kosovar-Bosniac that Kosova is a free and equal country when Bosnics pay bills so dearly while serbs sit there and whine? Also, if your B92 isn't lying another reason would be because we have no more electricity, maybe next time serbia should not tax electricity coming into kosova 20+%. If serbia cares so much about kosova, how bout those houses, those mosques, shopes, and everything you've burnt down, how bout you start to repair them.

Just so you know, this freeloading will surely end soon, probably with the start of the 2nd president of Kosova. Then you'll see.

Kristian said...

To: Ivan

----Please explain to me what illegal fees? If something passes through the territory of Serbia fees need to be paid, since you declare yourself not to be part of the Serbia Elektroprivreda. And we have the right to charge you any price we want for our services. Its up to you then, take it or leave it."


When it comes to fees you are right. There are fees charged when passing through. Its for the usage of highways. Nothing more. And its not supposed to be an absurd fee.

As far as ".....WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHARGE YOU ANY PRICE WE WANT...." That there is not true. There are fees that are set by the S&M govt. When it comes to S&M they have a habbit of changing prices to suit their needs at any given moment. THAT THERE IS ILLEGAL AND DISCRIMANATORY!

It's the same as prior to the war in Kosovo'a. The police fed on the ppl by charging rates/fines etc.. that were unheard of and were not based on the LAW.

You know there are standards, but S&M seem to forget the standards set by their "DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY/GOVT."

AS far as "GREATER ALBANIA." All albanians envision such a state,(AS DO SERBS TO THIS DAY, IDEA/DREAM IS STILL THERE) but THEY WILL NOT resort to violence to achieve such a goal. So tell me Ivan why shouldn't albanians dream or have such an idea for their ppl? Serbs did and look where it got them! Sad too, and don't blame it on Milosevic for he is just one man and he couldn't have done it alone. Why aren't the rest of his cronies in jail or out of political office???????


In the future, as the world becomes more CIVIL, you don't need to have border changes to achieve such a goal. If the balkans states all join the EU borders will not have much significance.

Serbia will eventually have its 'GREATER SERBIA' to some degree and so will Albanians. But all this will be done culturally and educationally. You will not need borders to prove this.

Ex. Already in process is uniforming of the Albanian language in all territories outside and inside albania. Borders can stay where they are at. But as a ppl they will be taught the same language by the same standards. Serbs will do the same throughout and in Kosovo/a in the future. The key will not be to change borders in the future but to make sure everyone is on the same page.


Eventually "the ideal" is for everyone to be themselves but at the same time move freely around Europe. The state or union or republic will not mean as much as it does now. Basically a future United States of Europe idealogy/identity is being created. And it will be necessary for economic reasons. As a block its a powerful entity.

ivan said...

Serbia itself offered 50 milion Kilowats on a monthly basis to cover the usage of the Kosovo Serbs and other Kosovo & Metohija minorities. But I guess its not good enough for you, because you need Serbs to leave Kosovo and then you will be happy. you could have made them pay in autumn, spring, summer. If you were more human you would have done that in a reasonable period. But cutting the electricity when those people need it for survival is totally disgraceful. Even the hospitals are not able to work.

I admire those brave Kosovo Serbs, who are real heroes in my eyes. With all the hard conditions that you albanians put them, they are still there and they are fighting for their right, the right to live.

ivan said...

kristian,

"As far as ".....WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHARGE YOU ANY PRICE WE WANT...." That there is not true. There are fees that are set by the S&M govt. When it comes to S&M they have a habbit of changing prices to suit their needs at any given moment. THAT THERE IS ILLEGAL AND DISCRIMANATOR.

Serbia itself has the right to charge any country or state any fee it wills for the usage of its territory. IF Kosovo becomes independent, dont expect to have the same treatment as a friendly country like Greece, or bulgaria. Yes I do believe that we are allowing electricity to pass through our country to different countries at different rates. But as in the free market, we do have this right to do so. This might be out of startegic reasons or out of political reasons.

We can give you a price you need to pay. Its up to you whether you will recieve our services at that pirce or not.Its as simple as that.

As i said eralier, i work for an american company and we do not charge all of our customers the same price for our services and products. Where we have startegic advantage we charge a double price to a customer, than to the one we are really trying to win.

As for reaching Greater Albania by peaceful mean, what the fu..k were your UCK terrorists doing. Maybe throwing flowers at the Serbian police?

tironsi said...

"Serbia would have given Kosovo independance a LONG time ago if they were truly convinced this was ACTUALLY going to be an 'independant' Kosovo and not Albania II."

What are you talking about? Most Albanians from Kosova and from Albania say they do not want a union, and you still keep hampering on this. What more do you want? This would be like Serbia and Montenegro (once Montenegro leaves the union). Yes, the majority in both states will be Albanian, but that won't make Kosova Albania II, anymore than Montenegro will be Serbia II.

fauna said...

ivan,

"yes i saw it, but its unrealistic and it was proposed by the Serbian Radical Party, and now they are not so extreme about the idea. I dont support that map, and I am against any border changes within Europe. But you did not reply to me. Would you like to see in the future "Great Alabania" to be on the map of Europe?"

didn't even know you asked that question, but i'll be more than happy to answer it

that map that you provided for a great albania is unrealistic as well... i highly doubt there will be any more border changes after montenegro and kosova. As far as the union between kosova & albania, that's unlikely either... there are people who want it, but there's others who are against it

i guess if in the future the issue arises, then just vote on it, just like you vote to separate from a union.... it's called democracy isn't it? freedom to choose?

let's love

ivan said...

fauna,

"i guess if in the future the issue arises, then just vote on it, just like you vote to separate from a union.... it's called democracy isn't it? freedom to choose?"

so fauna I would understand from your statement that if Kosovo becomes an independent country you would then allow the regions where Serbs are in majority to vote if they want to be part of Serbia or not. If that is the case I support your above comment.

Anonymous said...

"so fauna I would understand from your statement that if Kosovo becomes an independent country you would then allow the regions where Serbs are in majority to vote if they want to be part of Serbia or not. If that is the case I support your above comment."

Sure if areas with albanian majority in Montenegro and Macedonia are allowed to join Kosova.

Anonymous said...

Lets not forget of course east Kosova which is at present time in Serbia.

Anonymous said...

Ivan,

The rates Serbia is charging is called usury, not capitalism. But Albanians are not complaining of that (we have never maintained to be part of Serbia, even when sacrifices are great; it seems that Serbia is confused when it on one side claim that it owns Kosova then turns around and puts sanctions like blocking oil and charging exorbitant fees for electricity) we know who we are dealing with and this is just a trifle of what Serbia is capable of. But that was just a small detail where Belgrade hurts Serbs.
Serbs had electricity when there was enough for everbody to go around. Now that situation is bad they don't have any. It's that simple.

If you are such a great fan of capitalism, why are you then objecting to Serbs paying for what they spend. It only seems fair to me.

Please cite your sources when you said that Serbia was willing to pay for Serbs' electricity. I don't bellieve you.

illyrianboy said...

guys,

the discussion about greater Albania or greater Serbia is a waste of time.

as far as the electricity is concerned. "We" didnt cut the electricity for anyone. It was KEK (Korporata Energjetike e Kosoves) who cut electricity for anyone who didnt pay, be they Albanian, Serb, Turk or Chinese. The situation is of course worsened by the fact that Serbs never paid anything since 1999. So, we can come to the conclusion that anyone who wants elecricity should pay for it right? Why should Serbs be excluded? They have already been treated preferentially so far.

Belgrade is only bitching about this because it can. And it wants to make Kosovo government look bad. And KEK is not even directly controlled by the government. Anyway, Belgrade bitches about anything. Soon you are gonna see headlines saying "Albanians shouldnt be allowed to breath the same oxygen as Serbs in Kosovo, because that endangeres the Serb minority".

Cheers

Republic_of_Kosova said...

Whoever said Kosova is cruel, ivan or cvijus, I would just like to congratulate you on being nominated for DUMBASS AWARD 2007. Serbs get money from serbia everyday, illegaly, they participate in (illegal) parallel structures and get paid. You don't pay for 7 years, have a rebuilt house, and have KFOR/UN guarding you like they are your own servants and you whine? Don't give me that inhumane shit, they (serbs) have money to pay it, they just feel that it would be best if they were treated like god. If N.Mitrovica (without Trpeça) is seceeded, then Presheva valley, places in montenegro, macedonia will too and join kosova, also novi pazar or novi sad would too because I believe NOVI PASAR has a 80% bosnian, so should they join bosnia?

Anonymous said...

Apparently is was an illegal Mobtel antenna that was taken off line in Gracanica since Mobtel doens't have a license to operate in Kosova. But Serbs complained anyways - because they are used to seeing themselves as victims. Let me remind them that there is a risk of crying wolf too many times.
Oliver Ivanovic just announced that he wants to go back to parliament. He called the tactic a total failure.

http://www.eciks.org/english/lajme.php?action=total_news&main_id=310

Republic_of_Kosova said...

FINALLY. The truth is uncovered!!

http://www.geocities.com/
serbian_propaganda/

dave said...

ivan ivan ivan,
"If you were more human you would have done that in a reasonable period. But cutting the electricity when those people need it for survival is totally disgraceful. Even the hospitals are not able to work."

The days of mafia tactics are over in Kosovar politics and hopefully in Serbian politics as well. This is why I said you need to get real and adjust your attitudes. The Kosovo Electric Corporation does not engage in spiteful tactics intended to harm any group based on their ethnicity. That's not how a modern state functions and the UN would not allow that. The FACT is that most of southeast Europe (and much of eastern Europe) is experiencing an energy crisis this winter. Period.

Energy will get rationed in the most humane manner possible, however this will still be based on the staging system developed by KEK to service districts according to how well they pay their bills. If they truly wanted to be spiteful, then there would be ZERO utilities going to the Serb enclaves since they pay exactly ZERO euros for their bills.

"As for reaching Greater Albania by peaceful mean, what the fu..k were your UCK terrorists doing. Maybe throwing flowers at the Serbian police?"

It's a pretty well-established fact that the KLA was fighting for an independent Kosovo, as a direct result of brutal oppression. The United States and CERTAINLY the EU would not get involved militarily just because a small region of someone else's country wants to join another country. it was about human rights and probably a little bit about strategic control, but neither of these two points have anything to do with greater Albania. Seriously, let that idea go. You may hear from the small percent of Albanians who want this, but they are exactly a SMALL percent. I won't consider you a radical Serbian nationalist just because you are Serbian and you hopefully won't consider me a bible-pushing imperialist just because I'm American. Kosovars want independent Kosovo and that's it. And you know what? I'm pretty sure it's going to be a nice place to visit, even more so than it is now.

You never responded to my experience of Serbs and Albanians chatting with each other on the streets of Prishtina in the Serbian language. How about giving the place another chance?

fauna said...

yes...
let's love

Republic_of_Kosova said...

"MEM: KEK-u furnizon qytetarët pa diskriminime dhe dallime etnike
kosovapress
Prishtinë, 3 shkurt 2006 (Kosovapress) Time: 18 : 24

Ministria e Energjisë dhe Minierave (MEM) vlerësoi të premten se përkeqësimi i gjendjes energjetike në Kosovë është për shkak të rritjes enorme të konsumit dhe mungesës së kapaciteteve prodhuese vendore, si dhe mungesa e importit."

So what this is saying is it's serbias fault. Also NO DISCRIMINATION TOWARDS ETHNICITIES. So if serbia wasn't charging an export of 20-30% tax maybe ballkan wouldn't be in this shithole. ALSO UN will never let serbia export only to serbs, because it's not their country. The only way that could happen is if Prishtina gave a thumbs up, but why would they? They also need electricity, and since serbs wouldn't export when knowing also other ethnicities such as roma, bosnians, and Albanians get electricity, they want them to freeze.

Chris Blaku said...

The Serbian advocates on this blog seem increasingly anxious to bash and throw mud at the Albanians. If you remember correctly, it was your nation that caused four wars in a decade and caused the disintegration of Yugoslavia.

So perhaps you should stop playing victim and focus on the progression of your "state," or what's left of it. The reality is Kosova is lost to you, in every form. If, by some miraculous circumstance, regain control of Kosova, you would be unable to manage it financially, politically and militarily. Serbia is a country in fiscal turmoil, and they DO NOT have the ability to manage a nation of two million Albanians against their will.

Serbia can point the finger at Milosevic over and over, the realities are very different. Milosevic was a dog yes, but he was not forcing his people to follow him as the Serbs claim. The hatred boiling within the Serbian people dates back to the foundation of their state, wherein the Russian Orthodox Church instated ideas of granduer and nationalist pride, a large portion of whom were based on falsified history. The Chetniks do in fact believe they are the master race (if you doubt me, review Balkan Wars, 1990's), and Serbia is a nation that is home to one of the most supremacist, racist attitudes in Europe.

Maybe the Standards that are being applied to Kosova should be considered for Serbia as well.

Anonymous said...

All your tales about Albanians and Serbs are for shit- a miserable fight, a waste of time. Get stupid!!! Whole World, Albania, Serbia and so on is controlled by others who`s names nobody knows. I call them Kalabah boys or Illuminati fucks, or Free Masson 33 degree arssholes, or Knights templar masturbators or The order of the Dragon fuck heads!They go over dead people endlessly.It doesn`t metter what nation that is or what religion that is as there`s no religion involved in their planes.Maybe just a bit of magic or knowladge gained through centuries.So fuck your fucking stories and Albanians and Serbians, because neither of you knows the history enough!!! Stupid fucks!!!!!