Monday, January 16, 2006

Cardinal Angelo Scola of Venice meets Kosovo officials

PRISTINA, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) - Cardinal Angelo Scola, the patriarch of Venice, met with Kosovo's prime minister and other officials Monday.

Scola will also meet the deputy head of the U.N. mission in Kosovo, Larry Rossin, a U.N. statement said.

The cardinal came to the disputed province to attend the funeral last week of Bishop Mark Sopi, the head of the Catholic Church in Kosovo, who died of a heart attack.

Sopi, 67, was buried Saturday in the central Kosovo village of Bince, where he was born.

Sopi, an ethnic Albanian, was appointed Kosovo's bishop in 1996.

The late bishop was very close to Kosovo's ailing President Ibrahim Rugova, who is suffering from lung cancer.

Pope Benedict XVI named Zef Gashi, the Archbishop of Bar, a town in neighboring Montenegro, as the acting head of the Roman Catholic Church in Kosovo, a senior church official said Monday.

Gashi, who was born in Kosovo, immediately took on the duty of running the province's church, said Don Shan Zefi.

Kosovo is predominantly Muslim. But some 4 percent of its people are ethnic Albanian Catholics.

Kosovo, which officially remains a province of Serbia-Montenegro, has been administered by the United Nations since 1999. Talks to determine its future status will start later this year.

19 comments:

Dardania 2006 said...

The most noticable characteristic of our nation: multi religious secular nation.

I wonder who will succeed Sopi now.

ivan said...

i guess thats why more than 100 Serbian Orthodox churches have been destroyed as of 1999.

Cvijus011 said...

ivan,

don't forget that just in March '04 38 of them were destroyed, whereas the last standing orthodox church in pristina has been transformed into a night club

ivan said...

Cvijus,

transforming a church into a night club is not only disrespect for a religion, but an insult as well. Turks have at least showed decency and turned Agia Sofia into a museum.

Cvijus011 said...

Ivan,

not only disrespect, but also the fact that they claim to be a multi-religious secular state (written from dardania) sounds like laughing at your face.

Dardania 2006 said...

Realy?

How many Serbs are muslim, jewish, catholic, besides orthodox?

None...

Ah we want our churches back...soon little ones, soon...

Cvijus011 said...

dardania,

so why are you destroying them? It doesn't make any sense

Dardania 2006 said...

Them? First - there are not hundreads of churches, so do not make it sound as if Albanian are raging church destroyers.

Second, a nations frustration with a country and a criminal institution such as the Serbian Orthdox Church can at times be shown openly, such as was the case in March 2004.

Yes, we have had enough of Serbian righteousness and all this "we are christian and they are muslim" talk.

Cause guess what...you are no Christian...your church stands for nothing but murder and rape.

You shame and riddicule all that Christ stands for.

Now get back to the subject and tell me how many Jewish, Muslim, Catholic Serbs are there?

And whether you want it or not we are secular, a fact that cannot be denied even with your wikipedia articles, or whining school yard bully mentality of the Serbs.

Visit Prishtina said...

Ivan & Cvijus,

How can anyone take you seriously when you lie so openly and shamelessly.

What church in Prishtina has been turned into a nightclub? This is by far the biggest lie of 2006.

Can you name the church and provide any evidence whatsoever that the church has been transformed into a nightclub? This is such a fabrication that clearly proves my previous points that you people are a nation of liars and fabricators. Prove me wrong, by providing strong evidence to support your claims, and I withdraw everything I said.

Abraham Lincoln said:

“You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time.”

So, your war criminals can fool Serbs to believe in such blatant lies, but they ain't going to fool the world in believing such utter rubbish!

Cvijus011 said...

dr. pristina

the church is the church of Christ the Savior which under the new urban plan of Pristina it was either to be demolished or to be transformed to nightclub. The second option prevailed.

You're telling that we are a nation of liars and fabricators. That is not a very academic approach, for what you claim you are. Who's the liar now doc?

ivan said...

dardania,

all of the 8 milion people that live in Serbia are Serbs. I hope this answers your question.

Now its up to them how they feel like declaring themselves, but under the Serbian constitution they are the citizens of Serbia and they have equal rights as any other citizen.

My personal experience: my very good friend is Catholic, my girlfriend is Catholic, another good friend is muslim. they all live in Serbia and they all consider themselves as sErbs.

Kristian said...

HOW MANY OF THE CHURCHES WERE BUILT IN THE 80'S ONWARDS?

Majority!


The older churches haven't been touched. The church in Kline was destroyed that I've been told of by this kid that went there this summer. The ppl blew it up bc they were frustrated. The reason they were frustrated was bc belgrade had authorized the building of a catholic church but the serbian authorities didn't want it built. You have federal law saying its ok to build but local law saying it can't. HMMMM this went on for 10 yrs. So ppl got rid of it. And it wasn't really a church. It was made out of cynder blocks.

a church is a church and it shouldn't be destroyed, I agree on that. But all the churches that suffered any damages have all been repaired to their original state.

And there aren't 100's of churches. I'll find the book that'll tell you exactly how many churches there are and which were built after the 80's. (the book was published by the serbian govt). There are a lot of church sites but there hasn't been a church there for generations and nobody knows who they actually belong to bc they're not all accounted for by the orthodox church or the catholic church prior to the Osman invasion.

Visit Prishtina said...

Cvijus,

What a lie!

Your word means nothing, absolutely nothing to me. I asked for evidence, any report from a respectable media, or an organisation along the lines of UN, OSCE, EU etc.

Now, let me prove you that you lie. What is the name of the nightclub? When did this "transformation" take place? Do you have any photographic evidence? Wasn't TANJUG, RTS or other medias interested in this "story"?

I piece of advice, when you lie and someone catches you red handed, run and hide. Do not continue lying about the lies about which you lied before. It's no good for your health!

ivan said...

Dr Prishtina & Kristian,

then go to the web site of Serbian Orthodox church and refer to all of the Churches that have been destroyed. After all its their property and they should have the best evidence of what has been destroyed.

Here is the site for you to check:

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/pogrom.html

If that is what you call rebuilt, then i am really scared what kind of coutry you will build.

And dr. Prishtina,

"Wasn't TANJUG, RTS or other medias interested in this "story"?"

Use your "academic" head a bit. What would happen if a combi with belgrade registartion plates, with RTS written on the sides of the combi would pass through Prishitna?

ivan said...

kristian,
"The older churches haven't been touched. The church in Kline was destroyed that I've been told of by this kid that went there this summer. The ppl blew it up bc they were frustrated. The reason they were frustrated was bc belgrade had authorized the building of a catholic church but the serbian authorities didn't want it built. You have federal law saying its ok to build but local law saying it can't. HMMMM this went on for 10 yrs. So ppl got rid of it. And it wasn't really a church. It was made out of cynder blocks."

So in your future country everything that belongs to the Serbian Orthodox church will be destroyed.

Nice...... and you expect Serbia to watch you do this and applaud....and by the way also pay to do this.

If older churches have not been touched, then why was the Church in Prizren destroyed. This church has been built in the 19th century.

what about The Holy Trinity Monastery near Musutiste. Built in the 14th century, it was looted, burned and soon afterwards blown up, July 1999. That was one month after NATO (KFOR) took over Kosovo. There have been no arrests.

the list goes on:
4. The Medieval Monastery of St. Archangel Gabriel (with frescoes) in Binac village, near Vitina, 14th century, looted and burned.

5. The Medieval Monastery of St. Joannicius of Devic (painted in frescoes), near Srbica, 15th century, demolished and robbed.

6. The Monastery of Dormition - St. Uros (14th century, reconstructed in 1996), Gornja Nerodimlja, blown up with a mine and torn down.

7. The Monastery of St. Archangel (14th century, frescoed, reconstructed in 17th century), Gornja Nerodimlja, set on fire and blown up with a mine, the graveyard has been destroyed, the pine dating from 14th century has been cut down and burned.

8. St. Nicola's church (old church, reconstructed in 1983), Donje Nerodimlje, demolished, set on fire, and blown up with a mine.

9. St. Stephen's church (14th century, reconstructed in 1996), Donje Nerodimlje, situated at the graveyard, demolished, set on fire and blown up with a mine.

10. The Presentation of the Virgin church in Dolac, near Klina, built in 1620, (with frescoes), burned, the Holy Throne demolished, afterwards mined and demolished by explosives.

and on to be more than 110.

See how you are biased, and not well informed.

Visit Prishtina said...

Listen Ivan,

It is obvious that you are not able to support your claims about the church in Prishtina, as expected.

Noone was saying that Serbian churches have not been damaged or destroyed. Since you are so keen to teach others about the damage to Serbian churches in Kosova, maybe you should teach yourself about the mosques that were damaged and destroyed by the Serbian troops in Kosova until June 1999.

So go on, show off how much you know about all the mosques that were destroyed by Serb troops. If you want to learn more, the Islamic Union of Kosova can provide you with all the information you need.

Believe you me, I know all the sites that detail the damages to Serb churches and property (inc. Kosovo.com). Nevertheless, I wanteded you to produce evidence for the your lie that a church in Prishtina has been transformed into a nightclub.

You lied about this and then went on to label Albanians as "disrespectful" and what not.

And for your information, all the Serb news agencies have correspondence in Prishtina. They don't need to drive a car with BG car plates to Prishtina. Serb media seem able to report every other news from Kosova, and if your lie were true it would be a great opportunity for your media to stirr up anti-Albanian sentiment.

How come last year all the Serb media could report everything about Partesh, the little village with Serb inhabitans that were not paying for the electricity they were spending. They reported on a daily basis. How did they drive their BG cars to Partesh then, or where the cars flying?

If you don't produce any strong evidence to support your previous claims next time, it is clear that you are a liar.

ivan said...

Dear Doc,



“Noone was saying that Serbian churches have not been damaged or destroyed. “
I am glad that you admit this! THANK YOU!!!!!! Now mhere is another question for you doc, why? Why do you destroy churches that are more than 400 years old. I mean you albanians are such angels, and wouldn’t hurt a fly, but to destroy more than 100 churches in less than 6 years, I find that amazing. Please don’t give me excuses that kids were throwing rocks. Or I guess the first thing you teach your children is how to play with explosives.




“How come last year all the Serb media could report everything about Partesh, the little village with Serb inhabitans that were not paying for the electricity they were spending. They reported on a daily basis. How did they drive their BG cars to Partesh then, or where the cars flying?”

Your stupidity has no borders. Please doc enlgihten us, whats your PHD about? To answer your question, its obvious that you are behind with technology. There is such a thing as telephones, faxes, reports. Serbian TV has never been able to enter into Albanian part of Kosovo.

“If you don't produce any strong evidence to support your previous claims next time, it is clear that you are a liar.”

Talking about liars, it was you who claimed that only the churches that were built as of 80s were destroyed. I am glad you admit your mistakes. Don’t worry we Serbian people are people of good will and therefore your mistakes are forgiven 

Visit Prishtina said...

Ivan,

Don't try to avoid the topic here. Cvijus lied that a church in Prishtina was transformed into a nightclub.

That is a big lie.

I challenged you to prove your claims (your lie), but, as expected, you could not back your claims with evidence because you lied in the first place.

So, as everyone reading this can notice, because you lie you do not like to go back to that topic, which means that you lost the argument.

Noone in this site has ever denied that churches have been damages or destroyed, so don't get too excited.

In addition, noone in this site said that Albanians "wouldn’t hurt a fly". You said this! Don't try to twist things around by saying something, then say that Kosovars said it, and finally attack Kosovars for something that you (a Serb) said in the first place.

You say 100 churches was destroyed since 1999. Since you are so good a keeping the statistics, why don't you want to tell us about the 218 mosques that were destroyed by the Serbian troops in Kosova during 1998-1999? Half of all mosques in Kosova were destroyed by your police and army. Some of these mosques were from the 15th-16th century, such as the Haddum mosque in Gjakova and the Ibar mosque in Mitrovica.

Look, your arguments are so flawed that it's pointless to discuss anything with you. You say that Serbian media reported about Partesh electricity problems on a daily basis thanks to telephones, faxes, reports -- why on earth didn't the Serbian media use the telephones, faxes, reports to also report that a church in Prishtina was transformed into a nightclub? The answer is simple: because that story does not exists and because you are lying. This is a perfect example of total brainlessness.

And last, but not least, I did not claim that "only the churches that were built as of 80s were destroyed". I am terribly sorry, but I did not say or write that. I challenge you to prove that I said what you say I said. Are you lying again? You just simply cannot stop lying, it's a routine for you to lie. Check your facts before you write something stupid like that. You make too many mistakes, you are too weak and as a result you lose every time.

A piece of advice, be very careful when you choose who you argue with. Once a loser, always a loser.

Anonymous said...

The serbs destroyed in cen 11-12 all albanian catholic church in kosova and some of them they named orthodoxe church.
I have some questions why the battle of Kosova whas called black aigles or black birds.
The Ottomans whas in Nis in 1360 why the Serbs did fight them in Nis or Smedrevo but in Kosova.
Why the doughter of Car lazar and Milica whas the wife of Beytazin 1 turkish empire.
Stefan lazarovic whas valaque of the Ottoman empire in 1427 he would lost the battle in Prizren the Albanians whas victory Stefan and his brother Vuk lazarevic would bee killed by Musa becoused they lost the battle in 1427