Friday, January 13, 2006

Bush, Merkel discuss Kosovo at their first Oval Office meeting

Press Briefing by Scott McClellan
James S. Brady Briefing Room
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
January 13, 2006

Q Scott, did President Bush and German Chancellor Angela Merkel today discuss the Kosovo issue due to the upcoming talks of January 25th in Geneva?

MR. McCLELLAN: I know that they talked about Kosovo and they addressed that; they talked about Afghanistan, Kosovo and they talked about a number of important areas around the globe. I think that they may have talked in a little bit more detail when they were in the Oval Office, just the two of them. They only touched on it briefly in the discussion with the full delegation.

Q Do they agree at least on this issue?

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?

Q Do they agree --

MR. McCLELLAN: On which issue?

Q On Kosovo issue.

MR. McCLELLAN: We're all working together on these issues.

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

They both agree that Kosova should be independent... of course.

arianit said...

Why, was there a disagreement?

illyrianboy said...

Germany can't afford to disagree with the US over such an issue as Kosovo.

Cvijus011 said...

"They both agree that Kosova should be independent... of course."

Make a difference in what they stated and what you want. For you hoping that Kosovo-Metohija would get independence, doens't mean that they are really concidering that option.

"Germany can't afford to disagree with the US over such an issue as Kosovo."

But it afforded to disagree with the Yanks on an issue such as Iraq?

Dardania 2006 said...

Cvijus you are too young to understand. It goes this way: Iraq was very badly done, even if there were good "reasons" to attack Serbias friend, Sadam Hussein.

Kosova/Dardania on the other hand, have to be kept safe from potential Serb state terrorism.

Cvijus011 said...

dardania,

"Kosova/Dardania on the other hand, have to be kept safe from potential Serb state terrorism."

Is it Serbian state terrorism which allowed the formation of the albanian national council? Is it also state terrorism which tolerated that a former albanian terrorist becomes the mayor of Presevo and have a billingual administration over there?
Recall that five years ago milosevic was overthrown and given away to the Hague, sanctions were abolished and bilateral negotiations with the EU have started. Given all that together, it is rather racist or closeminded to say that Serbia supports terrorism on the state level, which is not the case with the Kosovar institutions in March 2004.
I guess that your media fails to give you objective informations about what really happens in Serbia - just showing the negative aspects.

"even if there were good "reasons" to attack Serbias friend, Sadam Hussein."

The attack was in 2003 when Serbia was long already a democratic state, unlike the albanians who were silently supported by their brothers-by-faith the Talibans and Iraqis (under Sadam's rule).

Sami said...

Oh, cvijus, you really need to become more culturally aware of the countries around you, such as Kosova and Albania. I don't know why Serbians always find it necessary to gallop off to some mystical connection between Albanians and middle eastern terrorists just because some Albanians are Muslims. Don't try to make it a relgious issue. I am Albanian and I am Catholic. My brother in Shqiperia is Muslim and my cousins are both Muslim and Catholic. We NEVER have any problems with one another. We are Albanian first, Muslim and Catholic second. Do you identify yourself with every "christian" organization in the world? Are they all your "brothers-by-faith?" What about the "christian" groups who sponsor terrorism in Spain and Ireland? Study the world, cvijus. There's more to it than just Serbia.

Anonymous said...

Dude, Merkel is right-wing, anti-communist and Catholic. Those guys have no love for Serbia. Actually they were the first to support Croatia. So considering that Albanians and Kosova have some catholics (including the President?!), and Serbs none, it is clear what they stand is. But they can't state it publicly because you guys will start hollering and crying.

Cvijus011 said...

anonymous,

In case you don't know, Merkel is in coalition with Scröder's SPD who are not really in favor of further border changes in Europe. Whatever Merkel's feelings are, she is not the only one desiding, now now don't cry.

In case you haven't heard of it, religious issues are not that much important (even though you hope for the opposite), economic profits are and the EU isn't in favor of having more, smaller markets in the Balkans. But as you say "But they can't state it publicly because you guys will start hollering and crying".

But if you still search for support on the religious basis, I heard that the Talibans are hiding somewhere in Pakistan, you could ask their help as you did in '90s.

Anonymous said...

Actually we Albanians asked help from USA and NATO countries and it turned out pretty good. Serbia the other hand have Sadam. He is still alive.

illyrianboy said...

Cvijus

"But it afforded to disagree with the Yanks on an issue such as Iraq?"

You are so naive it makes me feel pity for you. When I wrote "Germany can't afford to disagree with the US over such an issue as Kosovo" Iraq is exactly what I had in mind. It is exactly because they disagreed over Iraq why Germany now won't disagree over Kosovo. Also, let me remind you that NATO countries (including your friend Greece) fought together against Yugoslavia and they are more or less on the same page on the independence issue (including Russia).

You say we asked help from the Taliban. I am sure you made this up yourself cos not even the most ultranationalist Serbian websites say that.

Serbs are so ignorant when it comes to Albanians, especially about religion. I guess the reason why you lost the war was cos you didn't care to know your enemy better.

Anonymous said...

cvijus84,

If your birth year is 84 I really understand why would you 1st say "unlike the albanians who were silently supported by their brothers-by-faith the Talibans and Iraqis (under Sadam's rule)." Then you come up with something else as "In case you haven't heard of it, religious issues are not that much important (even though you hope for the opposite)"

If they're not important why would you mention them? You think u'll convince the world that we're Muslims (and by that everyone in the world think they're terrorists) .. Is that what goes through your nazi minds? (Doris Pack compared you with nazis)

Have you ever been in Kosovo my dear neighbour? Eventhough we are 60-70 % muslims, we'll still drink Peja Beer (Pecko Pivo) when our long awaited idependece comes .. It will happen don't worry .. I just hope you'll be here and then u can see "Serbian" mistakes amigo ...

P.S. As for your "Democratic Serbia" I can freerly say that we as NEW nation, as NEW country in this universe are more democratic .. and it's only been 5-6 years ...

Peace Y

Cvijus011 said...

illyrianboy,

"exactly because they disagreed over Iraq why Germany now won't disagree over Kosovo"

Don't you realize that the separation of Kosovo-Metohija will cause nothing but trouble in the region, especially in economical sence which Germany wants to avoid. DOn't you see that the world is polarizing once more, leaving US more or less alone in some issues, especially political ones. Even though Yanks support indirectly your independence, Germany and the EU will do the opposite as a way of showing that the Yanks should not interfere in Europe.

" Also, let me remind you that NATO countries (including your friend Greece) fought together against Yugoslavia and they are more or less on the same page on the independence issue (including Russia)"

Recall that Greece is one of the countries which didn't give support in the '99 agression and was sending humanitarian help to Serbia and deported thousands of albanians back to albania.
Are you stupid or something? Putin said two months ago that for Russia is unacceptable the separation of Kosovo-Metohija. Or maybe your media don't like to boadcast news which is not popular among albanians?

"You say we asked help from the Taliban. I am sure you made this up yourself cos not even the most ultranationalist Serbian websites say that."

read Misha Glenny "The Balkans"
Paul R. Williams "Peace with justice? : war crimes and accountability in the former Yugoslavia"

There you can find some paragraphs which describe the way UCK was getting the weapons and manpower.

"Serbs are so ignorant when it comes to Albanians, especially about religion2

Serbs know quite a lot about albanians and that's enough to know that normal life with you is impossible, especially when it comes to cohabitation. We gave you all and you stab us in the back (don't forget that UCK started the war with the killings of hundreds of Serbian civilians). From my personal opinion I know that Kosovo albanians lack the characteristics of honor and bravery. At least I like Albanians from Albania. They are completelly different from you gyus.

Cvijus011 said...

anonymous,

Before engaging into the discussion, first read all the post carefully so you can be updated.

Now, what I meant with "unlike the albanians who were silently supported by their brothers-by-faith the Talibans and Iraqis (under Sadam's rule)" was what it stands overthere and it is proven (see post above). With "In case you haven't heard of it, religious issues are not that much important (even though you hope for the opposite)" was the answer to your compatriot when he said that merkel will support albanians because she's catholic. Such religious issues are not that important anymore in the Western world, which is not the case in the islamic world.

Yes, I have been to Kosovo-Metohija and I was shocked from the lifestyle of the Serbs overthere and I realized what characteristics does your "democratic society" have. And then you call us nazis. Comparing the nazis and how the albanians are treating Serbs, nazis were gentlemen, and now the West is realizing that. thanks to you, you showed yourself at the best light in March '04.
So as "democratic Serbia" gives priviledged stastus for the albanians in southern Serbia, guaranteed seats in the parliament, cultural autonomy and billingual administration, the "democratic Kosovo" doesn't make normal life for the Serbs possible, supports institutionalized murders, kidnapps and don't forget the expulsion of 220.000 Serbs.

illyrianboy said...

Cvijus

Independence of Kosova will not cause trouble in the region. The US is still the superpower and the Balkans is a US playground no matter what EU says.

It is apparent that everything you know about the war comes from biased media. In order to attack NATO needs the approval of all members. Greece did give the approval and Yugoslavia was rightfully bombed. What do you mean Greece deported thousands of Albanians?

And you are making up the Putin stuff cos he never said such a thing. On the contrary, Russian Foreign minister told your government that "nobody understands your more than autonomy... proposal" and let it be known that the support for Serbia is not likely to come.

UCK story is simple dude, weapons were bought in Albania and Serbia, manpower was pouring from wherever Albanians live.

You are right, you gave us all. You didnt occupy us an abolish our autonomy in 1989. You didnt send tens of thousands policemen to terrorize the people. You didnt fire every Albanian from public jobs. You didnt kill innocent teenagers in protests. Your police didnt steal from the population everything/anytime they could. You didnt stop us from going to school. You guys are so nice, thanks for everything.

Serbs dont know shit about Albanians. Honour is the single main most important value of Albanians. Bravery... we were the ones who stood up to Milosevic's killing machine while you pussies voted for him you stupid coward!

Anonymous said...

Cvijus.. wait and see.. and learn!

Diskutimi me keta idiota eshte vetem humbje kohe

Cvijus011 said...

"Greece did give the approval and Yugoslavia was rightfully bombed"

Greece dodn't give its support. Why don't you go and chack some recent history.
Yugoslavia rightfully bombed? Than Poland was rightfully attacked by Germany in '39.

"You didnt occupy us an abolish our autonomy in 1989"

Is it possible to occupy your own territory? In the constitution of '74 Serbia had the constitutional right to abolish the autonomy out of reasons of public order and safety. but I guess you albanians don't wnt to know about it.

"You didnt kill innocent teenagers in protests"

And therefore you kill innocent Serbian children while bathing in a lake?

"Honour is the single main most important value of Albanians"

And out of albanian honour you sell drugs worldwide and have one of the most vicious mafias? killing old Serbian civilians? Destroying churches? Nice honour.

"Bravery... we were the ones who stood up to Milosevic's killing machine"

Out of bravery you were attacking the Serbian police from the back? Out of bravery you were killing Serbian civilians? Out of bravery you're making their lives living hell? Out of bravery you kicked out 220.000 Serbs? Very brave, must admit.

"while you pussies voted for him you stupid coward!"

And what were these crowds in Belgrade which caused military interventions and mass beatings in `91, '96 and '00? Causual pedestrians. Have you ever heared about the electoral frauds that were happening in the Milosevic era?

Face it illirianboy, you're blinded by your hate, which makes you no better than Milosevic and other nazis.

Cvijus011 said...

anonymous,

"Cvijus.. wait and see.. and learn!2

See what? And learn what? I saw already enough from albanians.

"Diskutimi me keta idiota eshte vetem humbje kohe2

Why do you come than and discuss with such idiots? Qivsa none bre

illyrianboy said...

No dude,

this last post (as the others before) prove that you are the one blinded by hate. Since you probably did support Milosevic (even though u couldnt vote for him), AND live in a Nazi country I guess you are in a good position to judge me like that.

Now fuck off!

Anonymous said...

Cvijus.. that's exactly what I'm doing -> not discussing anything with you

wait and see what will happen to kosovo...
then i'm sure you'll pick up a few more cuss words in albanian

:)
adios

Chris Blaku said...

They disagreed on Iraq with the "Yanks," then proceeded to send troops.

Germany's opinion is comparable to Etheopia's in terms of political importance, and whether or not they are in favor of altering borders is irrelevant.

Anonymous said...

CvijuMut:

Read the following and learn:

-- Fighting with an AK-47 against an army with tanks, helicopters, airplanes and heavy artillery is called bravery.

-- Hiding from International Justice like a pussy, in caves and bunkers is called cowardice. These cowards Serbs call "heroes".

-- Lying that 220000 Serbs have left Kosova is preposterous. Last month or so you were lying that 200000 Serbs have left Kosova. Someone proved that you were lying, and now you gave your lie a new dimension.

-- And everything else you say is a monstrous lie and fabrication, except, yes, except that Greece did not support the bombing of Serbia (or Yugoslavia, i.e. same shit, different name). Greece did not support the bombing and no one even asked if they did or not. They are nobody, an absolute nobody in international politics, so what Greece supported, supports or will support in the future does not matter at the slightest. NATO, the Glorious NATO, bombed the shit out of you (they even fucked the Chinese in the middle of Belgrade) and Greeks could not do a single thing. So, go fuck each other in the ass, because that's what you are good at, being gay!

-- This is the only language you and fellow Serbs understand. You even lied about being "a moderate" and wanting to understand the "other side". Well, cut the crap and suck my lollipop.

Anonymous said...

cvijus seems to be from kosova cause he has been in kosova...its only the serbs who lived here that know about Kosova...and he understand a bit of albanian...very unusual for a serb...and he is trying to keep Kosova part of serbia by posting comments here...but he seems to be so lonely...fighting alone...ivan is helping or is it his other nickname that his using to post comments...i guess it is his imaginary friend...poor you...whenever you enter Kosova you will see albanians...everywhere albanians...and no serbian police and army...that scares you the most...

Dardania 2006 said...

and so came to pass that the Serbian nationalists, blinded by racism and ideas of their supperiority and right to rule above others came to an end...Serbia was left alone, orphaned by Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosova...

...be safe child and may you grow healthy and wise and not remain how you are...

...Dardania

Kristian said...

Its funny how cvijus84 says one thing, then says another, then says we're racists, then that we're undemocratic, we expelled 200000srb's, etc.

As far as being racist lets take a census of the balkan states that were part of the FROY and majority will agree that serbs are racist.

As far as being democratic, that is hogwash and serbs know it. The only reason the ppl in belgrade rose up was bc of the sanctions and they even killed their mayor of belgrade (who was the only prowestern and democratic individual in serbia) (why was that?).. and let me remember: the CIA was sponsoring those protests against Milosevic, had nothing to do with ppl all of a sudden realizing that they were democratic.

Kristian said...

continued...
The serbs that left, majority left when the army was pulling out. Most of the serbs that left were the ones that helped suppress the ppl of Kosovo/a and had a hand in the expulsion, raping, killing, and pillaging of Albanians.

And the "killing of hundreds of serb civilians" do you have concrete statistics on that? since your good at giving out references or is it just here say.

Lets see the UCK was fighting the ARMY and you mean to tell me that your army was so innocent and didn't cause mass killing graves and burnt down houses and pillaged villages. Lets see 10000 to your "hundreds" is not a fair comparison.

An incident(the kid) compared to serbian oppression for 10 yrs is not a fair comparison. There were killings since '81 where the world saw serbian paramilitary open fire on peaceful demonstators and killing several ppl (did you forget about that?) compared to your one incident that you keep referring too is in no way comparable.

Kristian said...

continued...
Serbs caused this on themselves. You say that you realize that serbs did many wrongs and want to correct things, so why not give up those NAZI criminals or are you still communists and not truly a democratic state since the military does protect these individuals.

If your country is so democratic why is it that the seats in parliament are mostly held by old communists from the olden days prior to the name change? Do you honesly think that those individuals switched to being democratic when they were conditioned to following state policies that were not democratic as you claim them to be.

There are many wrongs in the balkan region. Serbs till this day don't see themselves as being the ones in the wrong, but as the world out to get them. I killed, raped, tortured, murdered kids, innocent civilians, my own brothers and sisters(BH muslims that are serbs), cousins (crotia)but guess what we didn't commit those things. The western media is at fault for they portrayed us as being evil. Well if you commit such acts then what do you call it?

ivan said...

I guess Cvijus is making you guys really angry, maybe bec ause truth hurts :)

the only person who gives decent comments to oppose Cvijus is kristian . even though i dont agree with him but unlike Dardania, Illyrianboy, just the name tells you on the lie they live.

You guys are so desperate that you have to assume that I am Cvijus. You should write a book about conspiracy theory "the Serbia crimes on internet".

Anyway every time I see you guys personally insulting Cvijus, I know that you have nothing better to answer.

Cvijus you have my support, they are far from your league.

Anonymous said...

why dont you follow his steps to darkness?

fauna said...

iva,
please...

Dardania 2006 said...

ivan...dear ivan...

i like the idea of "Serb crimes on the internet"...I am sure there is much there to cover.

I just realized one thing! Serbs never blame us for internet pornography!!! Yey!!

Kristian said...

To: Ivan appreciate the comment
but....
"You should write a book about conspiracy theory "the Serbia crimes on internet"."
As the US and other government agencies around the world do practice propaganda measures to counter other propaganda (not a crime though). Serbia has done this on several occassions to its own ppl (during the wars)and still continues to do so to counter albanian claims and gain sympathy from the world.(again not a crime) but its an intelligence measure used by many govt's to manipulate info. Albanians on the other hand are to poor to commit their resources for such purposes. But there is some truth to what you said and that is the GREY AREA that none of us common folk will ever know right now, but in the future those tactics should become available since they will not be classified as confidential as they are now. In a lot of things both sides will be proven wrong and our ideologies will change as info becomes available.

ivan said...

"But there is some truth to what you said and that is the GREY AREA that none of us common folk will ever know right now, but in the future those tactics should become available since they will not be classified as confidential as they are now. In a lot of things both sides will be proven wrong and our ideologies will change as info becomes available. "

I agree, but what my point is kristian, that serbian people are dealing with this grey area at the moment, but what i see from the posts, Kosovo albanians are not even close to that.

the reason why I appreciate your posts the most, is because i can tell that you have exited the homogenic society and you were exposed to the other side. I can tell that from your posts. Yes you do have your own opinion but you do question it to seme extent.

On the other side the other pro albanian posters feed themselves with their ideal perfect Big Albania and the tiny litle evil Serbia. their minds are poisened by the biased propaganda

Anonymous said...

Ivan and Cvijus,

your're so stupid as your nicknames are, it is just unbelievable how your moronity comes to an expression at your posts. You are just proving that Serbs are an inferior race and they should be deprived any right. Albanians on the other hand should be the masters of the Balkans and I really dream of the albanian flag wawing in Belgrade.
All Serbs should be expelled from Kosova and those who are to stupid to leave, to put them in the grave.
Long live the Greater Albania, a good Serb is a dead Serb.

- Skënderbeu Shqiptari

ivan said...

"Long live the Greater Albania, a good Serb is a dead Serb"

NO COMMENT. I think all of my points are answered in the above comment

Cvijus011 said...

"Albanians on the other hand should be the masters of the Balkans and I really dream of the albanian flag wawing in Belgrade"

"Long live the Greater Albania, a good Serb is a dead Serb."

"Serbs are an inferior race"

And I have been called a nazi!

I agree with Ivan, kristian is the only one here worth having a civilized discussion.

Anonymous said...

Skenderbu Shqipari,

I still favor the Illyrian Sea solution. In other words, you flood Serbia (like back in the days of the Panonian Sea) and all its neighbhors go happily to the beach on the weekends.

Anonymous said...

to ivan
we could almost accuse you to send anonymous messages to enhance your own says. don't you??

Hekurani

Kristian said...

Even if ppl call for a greater albania it will not matter bc in a few yrs the balkan states are going to need each other. Already underway is the power grid that is based on extensive planning by the EU. Meaning if we have a shortage in one area it will affect everyone, Srb, Cr, Alb, BH,Bulgaria,Greece, Mace..etc. Economic wise the region will integrate and even if they all join the EU believe me your neighbors are your strongest trading partners.
Greater Albania is hogwash! Reason being that systems are not up to par with each other. After 91 most Enver Hoxha supporters were dissapointed when they entered Albania. All the propaganda about growth was dissapointing. If it wasn't for the war Kosovo/a would of took over Alb. politically and financially. Economic ties will strengthen and social ties will. But as far as greater albania hmm that is like 30 yrs from now and that is a big MAYBE! Unless there is economic developement in all the Balkan states these problems we faced in the 90's will continue. PPL work for solutions not about who's dick is bigger! For a women it really doesn't matter bc boy can her pussy stretch and it fits all sizes. (hehe). Ivan and cvijus84 everyone's been hurt by the wars and why focus on negatives and who's right when we should all move forward and help prevent such a trajedy from ever happening again.
A child is born with no hate, no biases, no prejudices, etc don't make the mistake of instilling these in any child on either side, bc you will be guilty and have blood on your hands as our fathers before us have but don't realize it. For it is a sin to corrupt any child. This goes to everyone here. Peace to everyone!

Cvijus011 said...

hekurani,

you don't like it when your countrymates show obvious racism and you turned to the Serbs? face it, you have black sheeps aswell and don't try to accuse innocent people for what your people express.

kristian,

"A child is born with no hate, no biases, no prejudices, etc don't make the mistake of instilling these in any child on either side, bc you will be guilty and have blood on your hands as our fathers before us have but don't realize it. For it is a sin to corrupt any child"

Finally something clever said at this site, you deserve my respect. I really support your opinion and think that all the problems in this region should be solved as soon as possible making everybody more or less satisfied and then start working on economic development. As a professor of mine said "Ensure good living standards and all problems are gone".

anonymous,

"you flood Serbia (like back in the days of the Panonian Sea) and all its neighbhors go happily to the beach on the weekends."

Another example of racism.

Kristian said...

As a professor of mine said "Ensure good living standards and all problems are gone".
I think your professor was a wise man for it is true.

Ivan you mentioned the gray area and the serbs living in it now. May I ask, what were the albanians going through prior to the war? If we look at it numerically you have 100k serbs now to 1.7m albanians in the past. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that what is happening now is right, but if you were oppressed and then someone tried to kick you off your own land (& there are land documents prior to WW1 showing ownership so not to get into the argument of who's land it was) and to add to that your still traumatized by the war. How would you honestly feel about SERBS if you were to put yourself in the shoes of an albanian that lost his family or had his wife raped, saw his son get shot, etc.? What would you think of SERBS?

Ask serbs in Croatia, BH etc how they feel about the other side even after 10yrs of peace? They probably say the same things albanians say about the serbs. Different ppl to blame but the same message no matter from who's point of view you look at. Serbs in Serbia are fortunate bc nothing happened where they lived. (except for the bombings). No matter what you can't relate to the albanians, the serb of Kosovo/a, or the serb in croatia, or the serb in BH or the muslim serb in BH. Unless you were in the war then you can't relate to the psychosis of the ppl that experienced it. Your just blowing off statements that really have no relevance unless you were in the war. You can say I'M SORRY, but to the person who lost their whole family it will never suffice or make amends. If someone were (god forbid to kill anyone of my family members) I'd want revenge and wouldn't stop till I got it. Its only human to react that way. And using albanian blood fueds, or crime, etc to put a ppl down shows only your innability to take a step back and look at things from that persons viewpoint. If you can do that then you'd understand and be able to see that land and possessions mean nothing bc eventually the balkans will become economically viable and half of the stuff we're debating about will be irrelavant.