Tuesday, January 10, 2006

Vlahovic: All Nationalities Favour Independence of Montenegro

Ljubljana, 10 January (STA) - Speaking to the press during his Tuesday

visit to Slovenia, Montenegro FM Miodrag Vlahovic said the referendum on

the future status of Montenegro would surely take place.

The terms of the referendum would be the result of an agreement among all

political forces in the state, he added.

According to Vlahovic, independence is favoured by all nationalities and

religious groups in Montenegro. This shows, he said, that the population

does not fear it would have to pay the terrible price other former

Yugoslav republics had to pay for independence.

Vlahovic confirmed that 16 January will see the beginning of talks between

the Montenegrin government and the opposition, which should determine the

details of the referendum probably to take place in April.

The minister also expressed his conviction that Montenegro's potential

independence would have absolutely no impact on the situation in Kosovo,

saying these were two separate issues.

56 comments:

Cvijus011 said...

and the albanians rejoice, blinded by their opsessive hate towards serbia. you all need a medical treatment

Dardania 2006 said...

Yes we rejoice that Montenegro want to be free and deal with its own problems.

Why do you need hand holding? Can Serbia not take care of its own problems?

Noone hates you sillt...we just dont want to have anything to do with folks like you.

Cvijus011 said...

dardania,

dude, if you don't want to live with us than you've got albania already, go and live there, don't take our lands. as far as montenegro is concerned, no problem with me, let them have their indepndence. the thing that annoyes me here is that the albanians interfere where they are not supposed to. montenegro is none of you business...or maybe you rejoice of having montenegro independent so you can create kosovo no.2?

oh yeah, i know that after everything the serbs have experienced from the albanians, they would rather cut their own hands than to hold them with the albanians.

Dardania 2006 said...

"dude, if you don't want to live with us than you've got albania already, go and live there, don't take our lands."

I was born in Kosova/Dardania, that is my home. Not Albania. Not your land for sure, the land belongs to those that live on it. (Serb Albanian Turk Croat Bosniac Roma)

"as far as montenegro is concerned, no problem with me, let them have their indepndence."

Were you shaking when you wrote that?

"the thing that annoyes me here is that the albanians interfere where they are not supposed to. montenegro is none of you business...or maybe you rejoice of having montenegro independent so you can create kosovo no.2?"

Were you aware that there are Albanians in Montenegro?

Defining interfering: puting your nose where it doesn' belong...like you do.

"oh yeah, i know that after everything the serbs have experienced from the albanians, they would rather cut their own hands than to hold them with the albanians."

Do you now wonder why Albanians don't want to hold hands with Serbian Serbs? You just explained it yourself why Dardania/Kosova will become independent. Hvala Ljepa (thank you in Croatian).

Cvijus011 said...

"Were you shaking when you wrote that?"

Can you translate me this?

Ta qivsa none mema gore

"Hvala Ljepa (thank you in Croatian)."

Now you're liking Croatian asses? You can't handle things alone?

"Defining interfering: puting your nose where it doesn' belong...like you do."

That's exactly what you do.

"Were you aware that there are Albanians in Montenegro? "

Sooo? After Kosovo-Metohija you will take Montenegro?

"I was born in Kosova/Dardania, that is my home. Not Albania. Not your land for sure, the land belongs to those that live on it. (Serb Albanian Turk Croat Bosniac Roma)"

Rightelly said SERBS. How long has your family been in Kosovo-Metohija?

ivan said...

"I was born in Kosova/Dardania, that is my home. Not Albania. Not your land for sure, the land belongs to those that live on it. (Serb Albanian Turk Croat Bosniac Roma)"

Kosovo is officially Serbian, and under any internationally recognized convention you will find that to be the case. So what if you were born there? 300K Serbs were born there, and they see Kosovo as part of Serbia, not an as another independent state. More than 100K serbian kids were born in Germany, do they have the right to tell the Germans that it is not their land? Cvijus is right, if you dont like it, all you have to do is go to Albania, where I guess you will like it.

"Were you aware that there are Albanians in Montenegro? "

Hey you one step closer to making Great Albania. When Montenegro will be independent, it will be easier for your UCK fighters to terrorise a nation that has only 500K inhabitants. The union of Serbia& Montenegro is still too big for your hero fighter

Visit Prishtina said...

Dardania, you should show some understanding for these poor guys. I mean, not even their Slavic brothers who share everything with them (religion, language, culture, etc.) want to live or be associated with them in any way.

It hurts them to know that they are bullies, liars, falsifiers, fabricators.

So, understandibly, they are angry and grumby.

Cvijus011 said...

Oh my God, dr. Visit Prishtina is back. What's up doc? How's your "PhD" going?
So you finally desided to come back among the commoners and people below your level?
Can you please name these Slavic brothers of same religion who don't want to live with us?
Let me give you one fact about your nation now:
In his book "Soziale ungleichheiten in Deutschland" Stefan Hradil in his chapter about immegrant in Germans made some quite interesting remarks token from his qualitative research:
1. The least prefferable working force which Germans want to employ are Albanians.
2. The least prefferable neighboors which germans would like to live next door to are Albanians.
3. The most society hostile and not willing to integrate to the German society are Albanians.
4. The greatest troublemakers are Albanians
5. The less preferable nation with whom Germans would have a relationship to are Albanians

There are a lot of more facts, but I'm bored to write them all, but at leats you've got a taste of it.

Pristina, I'm very satisfied with my self and my arguments, for giving you good arguments and sources I show the opposite characteristics of being a bullie, liar, etc.
You on the otherside, the so-called PHD student give only insults and arguments on the level of a market ("Always" and "never" ring a bell?)even though as a doctor you should give wise and complex arguments, which apparently you don't do so.
So doc, all these facts may show the level of my civilization (tower) against yours (cabern), something which also Hradil comes to.

Anonymous said...

ivan,
from your previous posts you were trying to be objective and all that...

can't keep that hatred hiding can you?
it's in you...

these discussion are a waste of time... kosovo will no longer be a part of serbia . (period)
no one wants to be a part of serbia, as you can see..

Anonymous said...

fact: the germans freed kosovo during the nazi occupation

i wonder why they did that

illyrianboy said...

Hey cvijus

this article had nothing to do with albanians rejoicing or felling of albanians towards serbia. but you just cant keep your mouth shut and hide your prejudice.

and if you dont want to live with albanians in their ancient lands you can go back to Russia where you came from.

ivan said...

"fact: the germans freed kosovo during the nazi occupation "

True, by killing two million Serbs. Your hero UCK fighters who are capable of attacking only from behind, also would like to free Kosovo from 300K thousand Serbs.

You talk about how poor innocent sheeps you are , who were slaughtered by evil Serbs. Look at the above comment,you are supporting Nazi Germany.

And the reason why Kosovo was freed of Serbs during the NAzi regieme is because your people formed an alliance which killed more than 20 million people across the world. I guess you must be very proud of that.

Mir said...

"and if you dont want to live with albanians in their ancient lands you can go back to Russia where you came from. "

Do you have proof that we originated from Russians? How do you know Slavs didnt move up FROM the Balkans TO Russia? Please dont use pointless historical arguments.

The problem isn't history here, it is how to find a solution that brings peace and appeases BOTH sides. Partition is a solution that can appease both sides but it wont bring peace. Kosovo can become independent (and maybe have peace) but it will not appease both sides.

Wouldn't you agree?

Visit Prishtina said...

To Cvijus84:

1.
I am very well, thank you for asking. Life is good, particularly now that I know there are no nasty Serb policemen and militiamen outside my house. I can even focus on my Ph.D. these days.

2.
I was addressing Dardania, I did not want to have a discussion with you because it would be a real waste of my time.

3.
However, I would like to refresh your (tiny) memory by informing you that it was you and your fellow Serbs that were using terms like always and never. Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not make such statements, but rather I was debunking them.

4.
You said: Can you please name these Slavic brothers of same religion who don't want to live with us?

Hate makes people blind, so much so that they can not even read the headline of the report they are supposed to comment on.

(i)
Vlahovic does not sound Albanian to me.

(ii)
If you don't know the religion of the majority of Montenegro's population then what on Earth are you doing here?

Look, you are too weak to have a proper discussion with me. I am wasting my time with you. Unless you are ready to pay me tuition fees, yes tuition, I will not want to discuss anything with you.

P.S. I am not a doctor of science yet, so do not call me Dr. as that would be a breach of my university's rules and regulations.

Anonymous said...

ivan,
let it out... let it all out...
because words is all you have left

You said UCK fighters attacking from behind?
excuse me?
they were fighting Europe's biggest criminals since the Nazi's, who killed and raped women and children

And speaking of Nazi's, i was just trying to make a point that even at the height of german racism, they freed kosovo because your friend cvijus84 was trying to make a silly point

Mir said...

"I was born in Kosova/Dardania, that is my home. Not Albania. Not your land for sure, the land belongs to those that live on it."

Kosovo belonged to Yugoslavia, FRoY, and then SCG all of which were succeeding countries of each other. The land does NOT belong to the people that live there. This just goes to further show (in compliance with the article about closing down the bar) how you (im not generalizing im referring to you specifically) dont care at all for an organized government or law. Your logic would also mean that the enclaves of Serbs in Kosovo would have to become Serbian since they live in the land :) .

You simply do not see past idealogical views into 'realistic' views. Again im not being racist or generalizing Im referring to you specifically from what you have said.

Cvijus011 said...

To Pristina,

doc, if your arguments are that I'm to weak to discuss with you, etc. than on what are you doing PhD? Arrogance?
I know very well who are the Montenegrins, but those who call for independence are Milo Djukanovic, his political party and his tribe. Go around and ask Montenegrins what they think about independence. That would be a nice scientific work for.

Please doc, discuss with me, enlight me, it is your duty as an academic citizen you claim you are (even though I doubt you even went to a university judging from the nature of your posts).

Anonymous,

make a comparison with the Slovacs. Are they grateful to Hitler that he "liberated" them from Czechoslovakia for a while? I guess the for those things that the clever is ashamed of, a stupid is proud of.
The height of German racism was so low that for liberating some poor nations they had to sacrifice 20 mil. lives. Just from you posts it is crystal clear that the Albanians would sell their souls to the devil just to achieve you genocidical goals. And to such a nation we are about to leave our countrymen?
Albanians need a proper denazification in order to be welcome in the civilized world.

illyrianboy said...

Hey Mir,

it is academically established that Slavs came to the Balkans from what is now Ukraine (and used to be Russia). And I know that the point is not history but I said that because I am so pissed when you and your compatriots keep saying stupid things like "if you don't like living in Kosovo under Serbian rule go to Albania".

And, I cant believe you are saying things like "Kosovo doesnt belong to people who live there". Dude, let me let you know : Kosovo belongs to people who live there.

THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE IS THAT SERBS (AND THOSE WHO POST HERE) SEE THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVO AS AN ENLARGEMENT OF ALBANIA. THAT IS SO WRONG ! INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVO IS RECOGNITION OF THE RIGHT OF KOSOVARS TO RULE THEMSELVES AND DECIDE ABOUT THE FUTURE.

Cheers

illyrianboy said...

Hey Anonymous whoever you are, what is this BS about Germans freeing Kosovo? Kosovo as well as the rest of the Balkans were occupied by the Germans (except for Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria). So dont come here saying silly things.

Kristian said...

If anyone wants to know what the Montenegrans are thinking go to the Gallop pole of Belgrade and it'll show that the majority of the ppl think that it would be better to seperate from serbia. And the serb answer to seperation is we will kick out 200k + Montenegrans out of serbia. How childish! No body likes me anymore:( Not even mother russia!

Kristian said...

don't take our lands.
cvijus84 reminder Kosovo/a citizens voted to join serbia & then FROY. They also have the right to seperate. 1974 constitution ring a bell? after '91 all republics and provinces were disolved but by force you kept lands that belonged to the ppl not to serbia. Remember that when you make comments.

Kristian said...

And let me remind everyone by the year 2030 (EU stats) there will be more albanians in kosovo/a then in the current S&M federation. Even if we don't get independence, we'll have the opportunity to become PM of serbia and hold the post of President. And many other posts, for under a democratic society that elects ppl its inevidable. So skip the go back to albania. You guys want to keep us in the same state just remember that in 25 yrs time we could be in Belgrade and running it. How would you like that? Please don't cry now, its not gentlemen like. Or are you going to resort to extermination practices as in the past to prevent that from happening?

Chris Blaku said...

I'd just like to add that the pro Serbian comments on this blog have become downright laughable and entertaining. Keep up the good work folks, you do a fine job of tarnishing your nation further.

Cvijus011 said...

Kristian,

"remember that in 25 yrs time we could be in Belgrade and running it"

So you show again your nazi/fascist intentions, albanian irredentism, on not only stoping at Kosovo-Metohija, but proceeding further. Were's the end? Vienna, Berlin, Moscow? Nowadays we are just witnessing the porcess of creating Greater Albania, whether you admit it or not.

"And the serb answer to seperation is we will kick out 200k + Montenegrans out of serbia"

These 200k Montenegrins will receive an option whether they want a Serbian or a Montenegrin citizenship. In the second case, they will require a residence permit (as it is practised in whole Europe - ask you mafia bosses). We will not kicked them out as you state, after all we are not Albanians to do so.

"They also have the right to seperate. 1974 constitution ring a bell?"

That constitution recuired a governmental decision (from the federal unit - not the autonomous regions) and an approval of the federal government. The separation clause did not include Kosovo-Metohija. Don't cry now because you were proven wrong. Besides, is this clause the reason why you don'T want to give the Serbs their own entity in Kosovo-Metohija? According to your arguments every people has its right to live on its own terittory, why not the Serbs thatn in Kosovo-Metohija?

Blaku,

"I'd just like to add that the pro Serbian comments on this blog have become downright laughable and entertaining. Keep up the good work folks, you do a fine job of tarnishing your nation further."

When you don'T have anything intelligent to say , than you turn to insults, due to your lack of civilization. Now here's something in the manner you'll understand iat which intellectual level you belong: SIHTER BRE.

Dardania 2006 said...

You just proved Chris' point.

Btw, Im half Croat dear Cvijus...

ivan said...

"I'd just like to add that the pro Serbian comments on this blog have become downright laughable and entertaining. Keep up the good work folks, you do a fine job of tarnishing your nation further."


"You just proved Chris' point."

Dardania, I am glad you took my advice and you changed your arguments from historical facts to something else. But come on, please give something better. Are we gonna start using childrens arguments when ever we are losing?
I am usre you can do better :)

Good luck, and try not to provoke Cvijus on historical basis, because its obvious that every argument you say he seems to win you at it. But its not so important to win, its that you are trying ;)

Cvijus011 said...

dardania,

" You just proved Chris' point"

What did I prove for chris? Just look at his posts and than realize that what I told him is in the only manner he will understand it, since our discussions are too complicated for him and in his inability of not making good arguments he is furious and takes it into insults and primitive emotional reactions. What I wrote him was just a part of what i would like to write him, but I'm a man of level.

"Btw, Im half Croat dear Cvijus..."

I don't give a damn what nationality you are (or what nationality is one of your parents). For me it really doesn't matter what you are, it is what you write and your arguments.

Btw: it is not "Hvala ljepa" (see your previous posts) but "Hvala lijepa", you should have known that.

Cheers

illyrianboy said...

Cvijus

"So you show again your nazi/fascist intentions, albanian irredentism, on not only stoping at Kosovo-Metohija, but proceeding further. Were's the end? Vienna, Berlin, Moscow? Nowadays we are just witnessing the porcess of creating Greater Albania, whether you admit it or not."

This is an example of albanophobia among serbs. If Kosovo remains part of S&M, and if S&M (or Serbia) is supposed to be democratic then any citizen can run for office, right? 2 million albanians would have to be representedin the parliament and government. And as the number of Albanians increases the number of representativs will increase. This is simple truth in a democratic world.

Your words expose the serbian hipocrisy when you guys keep talking about democracy all the time but actually dont care about it and all you want is to get rid of Albanians.

And the next step is Brussels my friend. When we become part of EU, we will have representatives in Brussesls too :)

ivan said...

"This is an example of albanophobia among serbs. If Kosovo remains part of S&M, and if S&M (or Serbia) is supposed to be democratic then any citizen can run for office, right? 2 million albanians would have to be representedin the parliament and government. And as the number of Albanians increases the number of representativs will increase. This is simple truth in a democratic world. "

this is actually what the Serbian government is offering to you. You should form your political parties, and the number of votes they get , that is the number of seats they will have in the Serbian parlament. Plus as an addition , according to the Serbian Constitution, you should have a minimum number of seats in the parlament that will guarantee that the voice of the Albanian minority is heard in the parlament. We are not scared of that. And if the number of albanians increases the number of representatives will increase. Nobody is scared of that. But in respect, your people have to obey the laws and obligation of Serbia.
So if a Serbian young man has to serve the army, so does a Hungarian young man, so does a Bosniak, and belive it or not so does the Albanian young man have to serve the army. Think why i wrote this sentance. What happened prior to Milosevic's arrival to power?

Cvijus011 said...

illyrianboy,

Not only I support everything written by Ivan, but I also want to add the following:
You talk about albanophobia among the Serbs. Was it the same Albanophobia when the president of Yugoslavia was Sinan Hasani? Was it also the same albanophobia when the president of the league of communists was Ali Sukrija? When the yugoslav authorities were prosecuting albanians, would they have albanians as their leaders?

You judge our democratic nature. So you judge also the fact that the fact that we abolished the 5% census so that even the most minor albanian political parties could enter the parliament (even though alltogether they cannot gather 3% of the votes). But I suppose that's not democratical enough for you, you want to have immediatelly an albanian PM.
You call us hipocritical, but you call Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija to participate in the insitutionalized discrimination against their own nation. You call Serbs to give legitimacy to the albanian institutions which make life a living hell for the Serbs. This is like Hitler asking a Jew to manage Auschwitz. And then you wonder why they don't accept your hipocritical offers. So much about the albanian "democracy".
You are still far away from Brussels my friend, in economical, political and societal terms. Much more far way than we. Since you people, judging from your posts, have many many complexes from the Serbs, you better hurry 'cause will bit you.

Cheers

Kristian said...

To: cvijus84 you talk about your intelligence and that your arguments are better. Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote. The key phrases were:
OPPORTUNITY
DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY THAT ELECTS PPL
AND A POSSIBILITY OF THIS HAPPENING.

Concerning albanians being and running what is currently S&M and not just serbia gentlemen.

Kristian said...

These 200k Montenegrins will receive an option whether they want a Serbian or a Montenegrin citizenship.

This is your idea maybe, but what was said by Serbian Justice Minister Zoran Stojakovic doesn't seem to concur with your ideology. I guess his word is more valid since he is an elected official. Or was he just blowing off steam? Its in the B92 website, check it out!

Kristian said...

federal government. The separation clause did not include Kosovo-Metohija. Don't cry now because you were proven wrong.

1. Who was the last president of FROY?
2. What were his last statements on national TV?
3. How many republics decided to end the FROY? (excluding Kosovo/a)

Answer these ?'s cvijus84 and you'll see that based on the 74 constitution after 91 there was no FROY left and all entities could seperate, even Kosovo/a and vojvadina since they voluntarily voted to join serbia.

Kristian said...

One thing your right about is self determination, but that is for the ppl to decide. Serbs of Kosovo/a are tougher then serbs in serbia, they know how to deal with albanians bc they've done it for many years. The problem is that war wounds don't heal overnight and serbs are pissed off at the situation SERBIA CAUSED them to be in.

Kristian said...

Continued.......
The albanians/serbs of kosovo/a didn't cause economic growth to decline
-40% from '81(that is minus). Didn't cause the autonoumy of serbs/Albanians to be taken away. Belgrade did it. And those folks that left, knew exactly why they left, for a man that is innocent has no need to fear anything, but one that is not is always in fear. The ones that stayed were innocent. Since you're intelligent how come you don't think of ideas to ease tensions and help your fellow brothers and not create a situation that will cause more resentment. And if all the serbs return, many have lands all over the region and not just a few enclaves. Should they be hearded as belgrade says or should they have the right to make that decision on their own?

Kristian said...

To: Ivan
We are not scared of that. And if the number of albanians increases the number of representatives will increase. Nobody is scared of that.

You are not, but cvijus84/belgrade are. His only response is how albanians are Nazi/Facists. Hardly the case. Ivan also prior to Milosevicalbanians weren't treated equally. Has either of you been to Kosovo/a or lived there?

The reason serbs cry so much is that they never felt the brunt of the WAR or what Serbia did to the country of FROY. A few bomb raids is not the same as seeing ppl being killed on the field. That is why so many ppl resent serbs, you were the aggressors. And you still deny that you were and it was Milosevic fault alone. You can't just blame one individual when the majority didn't see anything wrong, until it got out of hand and cvijus84 definately needs saveer therapy!

Chris Blaku said...

Blaku,

"I'd just like to add that the pro Serbian comments on this blog have become downright laughable and entertaining. Keep up the good work folks, you do a fine job of tarnishing your nation further."

When you don'T have anything intelligent to say , than you turn to insults, due to your lack of civilization. Now here's something in the manner you'll understand iat which intellectual level you belong: SIHTER BRE.


On the subject of intelligence and civilization, your misuse of then/than is laughable and perfectly placed.

My reasons for proclaiming your stupidity, along with your blogger allies, are too numerous to list. Your miseducation, inaccurate "facts," and lying based on speculation and rumor lead to comments that range from shabby to downright laughable.

On a brighter note, the irresponsible comments from your camp accurately display the increasing desperation now common in the minds of the Serbian nationalists, who remain chasing their mythical dream. The idea of a Serbian Kosova was planted into the nationalist mind of an uneducated Serbian people by the Russian Orthodox Church in order to expand Russia's Balkan influence in the region, following their falling with Montenegro and its ambitions. It may be a tough reality to face, but that world you knew under Milosevic, whom you all supported and continue to support, was falsified, along with most of your history. Your delusions of grandeur are misplaced, and you are now forced to remain content with a lesser existence in which you are merely a guest in the region, amongst aboriginal inhabitants whose very language predates your existence.

Chris Blaku said...

By the way, I find the suggestion that I am incapable of engaging you historically, or politically in a debate humorous. Well over 95% of your "facts" are inaccurate and the basis upon which you direct your theories, arguments and suggestions are easily torn to shreds in any academic environment.

Let's face facts for a second, Serbia has found itself a sheep among wolves. Due to its hunger for power and greed, it has created an environment in which it is surrounded by enemies and hostile nations. Serbia's actions in the late 20th century have forced upon it an image of barbarity and an unmatched ability to kill. Serbia's chief allies among the powers, France and Russia, aside from falling out of favor in the court of World Power in the past decade, have found it more advantageous to leave Serbia and its interests out in the cold, rather than to defy the will of the Americans.

It is safe to say that the only thing remaining as a semi-legitimate barricade to full-fledged Kosovar independence is the Russo-Chinese imperialist argument. Their imperialist colonization of numerous territories, over 200 between both nations, has lead to a growing paranoia in Beijing and Moscow that their tightly knit coalition of territories may be losing its footing. The chief territories in question being Taiwan for China and Chechnya for Russia, both of which demand independence, and both of whom would base their claims for independence on the precedent to be set by Kosova. It seems conditional independence will be the most likely outcome, in order to silence the ranting of these shadowy powers and their forced territorial integrity.

I can't even begin to fathom the ridiculous response that awaits my post from the Serbian end... But you can start by explaining to me why your history books equate parallels in Serbian history with the life of Jesus Christ.

illyrianboy said...

Ivan,

you say "this is actually what the Serbian government is offering to you". My friend, this is exactly what the serbian government is NOT offering. you obviously dont know the serbian platform for the negotiations. the serbian govt offers "more than autonomy less than independence" which means albanians can govern in kosovo but have no representation in the federal govt. Plus to confuse things even more they talk about dividing Kosovo and keeping it part of serbia. that is kinda stupid, dont u think?

cvijus

you are really confused. i agree with what Chris Blaku said before. you use the period of communist SFRJ when an albanian was in the rotating presidency to justify everything that happened after the fall of communism with the ascent of Milosevic. anti-albanian propaganda was already working very hard in the 80s to pave the way for the genocide which was to be commited. that propaganda still goes on which makes it impossible for the albanophobia to be eliminated. i mean just looking at what you guys say here one can conclude that. furthermore serbs who post here are proof that people living in serbia dont know enough about albanians, and whatever they know is stained with prejudice.

cheers

ivan said...

Chris,

"By the way, I find the suggestion that I am incapable of engaging you historically, or politically in a debate humorous. Well over 95% of your "facts" are inaccurate and the basis upon which you direct your theories, arguments and suggestions are easily torn to shreds in any academic environment."

By reading your post i did not see any academic sources or theories. As a proof I will quote you:

"It is safe to say that the only thing remaining as a semi-legitimate barricade to full-fledged Kosovar independence is the Russo-Chinese imperialist argument. Their imperialist colonization of numerous territories, over 200 between both nations, has lead to a growing paranoia in Beijing and Moscow that their tightly knit coalition of territories may be losing its footing."

what the fu..k do you know about Russia and China? Dont you understand that the future economy will be the Chinese economy. Whether we like it or not, but the pace China is growing, soon they will be a superpower.Now do you think your ally US, will want to piss off the biggest oil producer in the world? In case you dont know, now Russia is the biggest oil and gas producer. The reason why this stealing of territories is happening is because Serbia is a small and weak country. And with a litle bit of drug money, everything is possible.

I have been following these posts intesively, and Cvijus has always given you exact treaties, dates, and their contents. He has even named to you the president of yugoslavia who was of Albanian ethinc origin. When ever you dont have facts to match Cvijus, you call him ridiculous, or try to use the proof of stupidity like, "always & never"(quoting Dr. Prishtina), "rock & stone"quoting Dr. Prishtina), and now you with "than & then". I guess you feel threatened and that is the only way you can reply. For me a valid argument would be to find a clause of the treaties Cvijus has named, and prove him wrong. But you then go back to the famous story of Kosovo joined by vote the federation of Serbia , when Serbia at the time was under occupation of Nazi Germany (refer to Kristian posts). I guess Kosovo existed as an independent autonomy of the third Reich only for 2-5 years (thats how long the third Reich lasted). Then I hear comments about colony, and i laugh at it. Give me a break, just refer to the firs documented demographics of Kosovo and you will see that more than 70% of the Kosovo population was SERBIAN, and less than 20% was Albanian. Now who colonized Kosovo & Metohija?

illyrianboy,

hey do me a favour, before you post something ridiculous on this post, please think about it or if you dont know investigate a bit, because you are just making a fool out of yourself.

"you obviously dont know the serbian platform for the negotiations. the serbian govt offers "more than autonomy less than independence" which means albanians can govern in kosovo but have no representation in the federal govt. "

Now think about what you wrote. How can you have an autonomous region without being presented in the federal government? Do you know that under the Serbian constitution minorities have a minimum number of seats even if they dont reach that census?

"that propaganda still goes on which makes it impossible for the albanophobia to be eliminated. i mean just looking at what you guys say here one can conclude that. furthermore serbs who post here are proof that people living in serbia dont know enough about albanians, and whatever they know is stained with prejudice."

How many Serbs who were forced out of Kosovo by your cowardly heros UCK came back? What happened to 3000 missing Serbs? Why are Serbian children constantly under attack? Why are convoys of Serbs attacked? Why are Serbian churches burnt? Believe me , if after 1999 you treated Serbs in Kosovo with human rights, we wouldnt be discussing here and Kosovo would be now for a couple of years independant. I dont need to know much about the albanians, all i need to know is that serbian people have a status of animals ( refer to your copatriots posts) in your new Dardania/ or how ever you want to call it.

illyrianboy said...

ivan why dont you do me a favor and never post in this blog.

this is exactly what belgrade wants, Kosovo within serbia but without albanian representation in Belgrade. it sounds like nonsense even to you, but look at the serbian government propositions.

you take my statements and put them in quotes and then try to answer them by asking questions. dude, you are so lame.

and what the hell do you think you know about china and russia. it doesnt really matter who they are cos they dont care about serbia anyway.

Cvijus011 said...

illyriandude,

"ivan why dont you do me a favor and never post in this blog"

Is that you albanian democracy? Ivan is not allowed to tell his opinion? Is that also the albanian tolerance? Behaving like that, you expect us to respect you? Even though all around over here I see just blind hate agianst the Serbs.

"you take my statements and put them in quotes and then try to answer them by asking questions. dude, you are so lame"

Dude, have you ever heard about rhetorical questions? Or maybe your curriculum doesn't include that? To bad.

"this is exactly what belgrade wants, Kosovo within serbia but without albanian representation in Belgrade"

1. albanians have seats guaranteed in the Serbian Parliament.

2. the 5% census has been abolished so that even smaller albanian parties may enter the Parliament (beyond the guaranteed seats).

3. Municipalities with over 30% albanian population have a privilledged status.

What do you want more from us? Immidiatelly an albanian as the PM of Serbia. if yes, than we want a Serbian PM for Kosovo, or maybe that is unacceptable to you?

"and what the hell do you think you know about china and russia. it doesnt really matter who they are cos they dont care about serbia anyway."

And what do you know about Russia and China. the only things you know about them for sure are Bruce lee and votka. Besides, what do you know who supports us? You only know what you want to know and that is oppsesive hate for the Serbs.
have you read the article in march 2004 in Spiegel were the German representative in the EU Commission when asked about the independence of Kosovo stated that Europe doesn't need more lilliputian states which will cause nothing but trouble.

When the EU touches this issue, they talk about the STATUS of Kosovo, which doesn't necesserily mean independence.
There go your beliefs that the whole world supports you against us.

Chris Blaku said...

Ivan, I could care less about the supposed stellar performance of cvijus84 on this blog. Excuse my apprehension in believing the intelligence and wisdom of a man that cannot tell the difference between then, and than in an elementary sentence.

You quote the German representative for the European Union, much like quoting the secretary to the Ambassador of a nation to the United Nations. A post that means nothing, from a nation that means nothing, from a union that means nothing. You cannot fight the fact that the United States is making the decision on Kosova's status, and for you to imagine that the weaklings in Europe have any sort of say in America's plans is ridiculous, and speaks volumes for your aptitude. Furthermore, I'm sure you would adore the possibility of China becoming tomorrow's economy, however, that will never be. With China's billion plus population, they are forced to become a nation of consumers for American products and a nation of manufacturers for American goods. You suppose that China will displace America as the sole superpower because of their recent economic growth? That economic growth was based on opening their doors to capitalism, and AMERICA. Don't count your chickens before their eggs hatch, and by the way Cvijus, your response was pitiful.

It's fine of you to note all the rights that Serbia is promising the Albanians with regard to municipal recongition and parliamentary recognition, however, these are roads that we have travelled. Serbia's word is simply not good with the Albanians, and there should be little resistence to the independence of a costly, rebellious province that promises to be multi-ethnic and democratic, under international supervision. What's the problem? Not enough zinc, uranium and lignite in Serbia proper?

Chris Blaku said...

An independent Kosova causes trouble? For trouble, see Serbia circa 1995-1999.

Chris Blaku said...

Ivan, documented demographics of Serbia were created by Belgrade, whose intention it had been to remove the Albanians as early as the 19th century, which is documented in detail by Noel Malcolm in his book, Kosovo. Noel Malcolm also makes an excellent argument against the legal authority of Serbia over Kosova. Read it, no need for me to post it on this blog and pretend it is my own, as you two seem more than capable of doing.

illyrianboy said...

Hey Cvijus

nice try with "Is that you albanian democracy?" Again you try to make a point (that Albanians can't create a democracy) by using something completely not relevant. i am not gonna argue about this cos it is a waste of time though.

Seems like you have heard about rhetorical questions but dont have any idea what they are, since ivan's questions were not rhetorical but a lame attempt to try to tackle what i had said before.

Please find me a source (like a serbian govt website) that states these provisions about minorities. And the parliamentary quota is 3% now in Serbia, as opposed to 1% in Kosovo. 3% doesnt help a lot since the albanian minority in serbia is too small percentage-wise. What's wrong with an Albanian PM? All Serbias citizens have the right to run for office right? So if an Albanian politician from Presevo gets the support of the Serbian Parliament he can become a PM. Same goes for Kosovo, all citizens have the right to run for office. So if a Serbian politician from Gracanica gets the support of Kosovo's Parliament he can become PM.

Seems like you know a lot about russia and china, impressive! (Bruce Lee was from Hong Kong, then not part of China.) Russia is in deep shit my friend and would never risk worsening relations with the US over Serbia. China's economy is growing but has still a long way to go. And we will never see a replacement of US by China as world leader. Plus China is too faraway from Balkans to be concerned about us.

Now, let me inform you that there are lots of EU MP's and commissioners who support Kosovo's independence too. But that doesnt really matter. Let me remind you of Solanas statement that "There is room for new states in Europe". I suppose you know he represents EU foreign policy. Anyway, as Chris said, it is the US who will decide (already has decided) about our STATUS (which will be independence).

Kristian said...

To: cvijus84
1. albanians have seats guaranteed in the Serbian Parliament.

This sounds great but what about the military, or intelligence posts or national security posts, etc I don't see any serb allowing an albanian in any of these positions.
What do you think?

Kristian said...

continued...

in the past it never happened why would it change now?

Cvijus011 said...

kristian,

"This sounds great but what about the military, or intelligence posts or national security posts, etc I don't see any serb allowing an albanian in any of these positions.
What do you think?"

The albanian population in Serbia (excluding Kosovo-Metohija) is 1.10% (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Serbia), why would we give for such a small portion of the population such important posts? Besides, the police force in southern Serbia is ethnically mixes and billingual - the same counts for the municipalities with an albanian population beyond 30%. The National Security Council posts are intended for the president of Serbia-Montenegro, president of Serbia, prime minister of Serbia, president of Montenegro, prime minister of Montenegro and the Chief of Staff of the Army. If an albanian manages to get voted for one of these functions, than he is alos a member of the Council, no problem with that. But in the case of Serbia, it is not likely that a 1.10% of the population would achieve that.
is it possible in Albania the Greeks (3% - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania) to become a PM? Even though their percentage is higher than albanians in Serbia?

"in the past it never happened why would it change now?"

What about Sinan Hasani and Ali Sukrija?

illyrianboy said...

Hey Cvijus,

how many times I have to tell you dont bring up Hasani and Shukrija.

That was during the 'good ol' times' of Socialist Yugoslavia and can't be used at all to prove Serbian benevolence towards Albanians. What that proves is that before the rise of Serb nationalism Albanians had autonomy which was abolished by Serbia.

Cvijus011 said...

Why shouldn't I mention them?
Because it proves that Serbs are not so racist as you claim?
Don't bring up Milosevic because everything he did wasn't even supported by the majority of the nation.

Chris Blaku said...

Milosevic not supported by a majority of the nation? That is downright laughable. How easily you disband your support of your former hero and have him take the fall for your greed. The fact remains, regardless of Serbia's fabled makeover, they remain a paranoid nation suffering from delusion. The proof is in the pudding, with Serbia's hardliners controlling the majority of Parliament, and regardless of the unending promises they present us, the century of history and experience the Albanians have with Serbian oppression supercedes empty assurances.

Milosevic himself was elected on an Anti-Albanian platform, and proceeded to feed the greed and power hunger of the deprived Serbian people, who apparently have little to be actually proud about, other than mythical battles and equating their nation's history to Christ's. The previously held monopoly on Balkan history by the Greco-Serbian Orthodox alliance is now challenged, and the precedents set by their historical nonsense will continue to be revealed as false.

Kristian said...

To: cvijus84

you mention 2 albanians that were not put into power by serbs but I believe the whole nation of FROY. So don't take all the credit for there were other republic's responsible for that. And during the communist era anyone from Kosovo/a were puppets of the state and nothing more. Puppets with no power or influence.

ivan said...

I guess Hasani and Shukrija were very bad people then..... you guys are never satisfied. We giove you to rule the whole country and you are still not satisfied. Now they were puppets. Come on give me a break. Then why dont you put Ivanovic to be the new president of Kosvo & Metohija. Show your humanity then, we did it to you ;)

Anonymous said...

That land called Kosovo(a) [for me the pronunciation doesn't matter]
at least since Roman times is inhabited by Ilirians (Illyrians)
and sorry you Slav (brother ? )
you weren't there untill ninth century.
Even on Christianity, Albanians are a step ahead of you, Christianism was introduced in Illiricum by Saint Paul himself.
Converting to Muslim most probably was the only way to escape (save) albanian identity from slavisation.
And , well, beeing a muslim I regret it so much, but I can't undo the Ottoman Empire.
The two greatest Albanian personalities are Christian,
George Castrioti (Scanderbeg)
and Mother Teresa.
And more, there is no need among Albanians to broaden their borders,Albanians just want their lands be ruled by their people.
The greatness lays in surviving
Romanisation, Slavisation etc...
don't you see we don't speak any of many slavic dialects.
Finally, some mud from you or from your accademics, cannot fade the anchestry of Albanians in their God land.
In original, Albanian (shqipetar) means son of the EAGLE, and Serb(p)
is term of servitude (sorry !)
but it wasn't me who invented this,
it is the Romans !!!
However, my wish

PEACE IN BALKANS, AND FREEDOM TO ITS PEOPLE !

Anonymous said...

Albanian :

Sllavet jane shume kombe e fise bashke, dhe qe nga dyndjet ne Europen Juglindore filluar nga shekujt e 7 e me pas deri ne konsolidimin ne mbreterite mesjetare serbe ne trojet ku historikisht kishin banuar fise ilire (perfshi ato Dardane etj. por esencialisht ilir), kjo hordhi e ardhacakeve i detyroi vendasit, iliret,arber apo shqiptaret, te terhiqen ne pjese me te veshtira per banim, sepse ata qe erdhen per dimerim nga stepat nuk u shkulen me nga trojet e begata shqiptare.
Eshte nje fjale ne shqip qe thote
" u perhap si grami (nje lloj bari) ne toke te mire"
Keshtu edhe serbet (sllavet e jugut). Dhe na bejne teori me prejardhjen etj...
Per ceshtje besimi, pas kristianizmit ne keto troje u introduktua muslimanizmi, por mbi te gjitha, shqiptari mbeti Shqiptar,
dhe nuk ka asgje mes shqiptarit dhe Zotit te tij, ndoshta eshte pak pagane kjo, por keshtu e shoh.
Zoti i shqiptarit eshte njerzorja (humanizmi), besa, fjala,.
Serbet pretendojne se jane me te mire nga ne se kane kishen apo manastirin, dhe kuptohet mes njeri-tjetrit lavderohen qe kane vrare shume nga raca shqiptare jo vetem me vulehumburin Miloshevic qe perfundoi ne varr pa emer, por qe ne fillim te dyndjeve sllave.
Nejse, i lodhur me keto, dhe ne mungese kohe per analize me te plote, populli shqiptar eshte vital, dhe historia kesaj radhe eshte me ne !

rrofte Kosova e lire !

Rrofte kombi shqiptar !

... se Zoti vete e tha me goje
se kombet shuhen permbi dhe'
po Shqiperia do te rroje
per te, per te luftojme ne !