Wednesday, January 25, 2006

KOSOVAREPORT - SPECIAL EDITION

142 comments:

Anonymous said...

can anyone give me an albanian source from prior to the 19th century that cliams u are illirian?

Anonymous said...

This is a topic about the mourning of the Kosova's president.But there is a yugoslut in here that wants to know about the illyrian origins of Albanians.Almost every week one of this dickheads shows up acting all smart asking about facts about our origins.Once again I am going to give you the facts why you serbs cannot accept the illyrian origins of Albanians.It comes from a slavic historian.You then show me that you slavic people were natives of the Balkans,were you are claiming the land.

THE QUESTION OF ILLYRIAN-ALBANIAN CONTINUITY AND ITS POLITICAL TOPICALITY TODAY

Dr.Alexander STIPCEVIC

The question has for years been obscured by political arguments that have frequently prevailed over academic ones. Of course, this is not the first such case in history. On the contrary, it is enough to recall the way in which Italian archaeologists at the time of fascism attempted to justify Mussolini’s conquests in the Mediterranean basin, how the Greeks today exploit data for the sake of their plans to annex Northern Epirus, and how the Serbs claim that any place where Serbian monuments or graves are found must belong to the Serbian state.

There is no need to recall other similar cases, for those we have mentioned suffice to show how archaeologists have placed their skills at the behest of national politics and ideology. Serbian archaeology and historiography have subjected the Albanians in general to such treatment, especially in Kosova.

After World War II, but especially after the serious events in Kosova in 1981, Serbian archaeologists set to work to refute the theory of the Illyrian ethnic of Albanians.

They are indeed not the first to cast doubt over the historical continuity between the Illyrians and the Albanians. Some specialists, especially Germans, including C. Pauli, H. Hirt, G. Mayer, and F. Cordignano , raised the question of the origin of the Albanian language and the Albanians in general. On the basis of what they considered to be scientific data they drew conclusions that disagreed with the theory that the Albanians are an indigenous population. Even though we do not today agree with their conclusions, we must emphasise that their arguments had no political or still less anti-Albanian overtones, and that they must be taken into consideration with proper seriousness when the problem of the ethnogenesis of the Albanians is discussed.

The politicisation of the problem that was later to become the hallmark of Serbian archaeology and historiography began with the Croat linguist Henrik Baric, who had close ties with Serbian academic and political circles. (6) Baric was a very capable linguist, but the motives impelling him to formulate his Thraco-Moesian theory of the origin of the Albanians remain dubious. His theory rests on linguistic data. The fact that the same linguistic material can be used in support of such diverse theories may alarm any student approaching this problem. Without denying linguists their right to formulate their conclusions on the basis of linguistic material, we must say that there also exist today a large quantity of archaeological, anthropological, ethnological, and ethnomusicological data. The large amount of research in recent decades has thus made it much easier today to tackle the problem of the ethnic origins of the Albanians than 50 or 100 years ago. The result achieved by workers in different disciplines in recent decades have reduced the importance of the work that relied on now obsolete linguistc evidence, and have made the autochthony of the Albanians, i.e. increasingly indisputable.

This conflict between new scientific result and the defenders of now obsolete theories is a phenomenon that can be explained by the increasing politicisation of the issue of Albanian ethnogenesis. In fact, the theory of Albanian autochthony has never been disputed with such determination and savagery as today, precisely when so much scientific proof has been produced in its support. Nevertheless, the number of researchers still today refusing to take into consideration the many arguments supplied by different academic disciplines has shrunk, or, more accurately, absolutely the only researchers who deny the theory of Albanian autochthony are Serbian. (7) Serbian archaeologists and historians began long ago to dispute the autochthony theory, but this opposition increased especially after the great Albanian revolt in Kosova in 1981. It was therefore a consequence of a political event rather than of new scientific data.

The Serbian archaeologist Milutin Garasanin represents a special case. In 1955, he wrote an article in the Prishtina periodical "Përparimi", in which he asserted that the Albanians are the direct descendants of the Illyrians. ( In the years that followed, Garasanin increasingly fell into line with other Serbian researchers who denied any such descent. This shift became still more evident in connection with the problem of the ethnic allegiance of the Dardanians, who inhabited the Kosova region. This problem became one of the most disputed in archaeology and history, assuming apolitical character after 1981. The Serbs vigorously attacked the idea that the Dardanians were ethnically Illyrian. Not because they were led to this conclusion by scientific evidence, but purely because Kosova was "the cradle of Serbian history" and "holy soil" for the Serbs, and as such could not have been inhabited by a people that were of Illyrian stock and hence claimed by their descendants, the Albanians.

In the past, Serbian researchers had not always been of one mind in allocating the Kosova region to the ancient Daco-Moesians. Milutin Garasanin himself, in his survey of prehistoric Serbia in 1973, openly admits that on the basis of their place names and personal names the Dardanians can be considered Illyrians, and that a Thracian and perhaps Dacian element is evident only in the eastern parts of their territories. (9)

However, when the Serbian Academy of Arts and sciences in 1986 organized a series of conferences on the ties between the Illyrians and the Albanians, this same Garasanin announced that the Dardanians cannot be considered Illyrians because they were ethnically more closely connected with the Daco-Moesian substratum. (10)

It is easy to explain this change in Garasanin’s stand. We are now in a period of history in which relations between the Albanians and Serbs of Kosova, and not only within this region, have dramatically deteriorated and no Serbian researcher can freely express his opinion over the Illyrian-Albanian question without exposing himself to the danger of changes of high treason.

It would be impossible to trace here the progress of the press, television, and radio campaign waged by Serbian researchers against the idea of Albanian autochthony. It is enough to recall an entertaining incident in this campaign which took place in Zagreb in 1982. Two years previously, in 1980, the first volume of the Encyclopaedia of Yugoslavia (Secon Edition) had been published, in which there were two entries, one entitled "Albanci" (Albanians), and the other "Albansko-Jugoslavenski odnosi" (Albanian-Yugoslavian relations). On pages 75-79, the Albanian historian from Kosova, Ali Hadri, had written the part of the entry under "Albanci" that dealt with "the origin and development of the Albanian people," in which he stated that the Albanians are the descendants of the Illyrians. The linguist Idriz Ajeti said the same, considering the Albanian language a successor to the Illyrian tongue.

When this volume had come off the press, the Albanian revolt in Kosova had broken aut, and when the Serbian edition of this same book was under preparation, the Serbian representatives on the Encyclopaedia’s central editorial board rejected the text that had already been published in the Croat edition (which they themselves had approved), and insisted that the two entries should be reformulated according to the ideas of Serbian historians. A long and bitter debate then took place within the editorial board, and was soon reflected in the Zagreb and Belgrade newspapers.(11) Ten contributions from historians and archaeologist were commissioned in order to prepare new versions of these entries.

At that time, the Serbian members of the editorial board could not impose their ideas on others. This meant that the new version that was printed in subsequent editions of the Encyclopaedia of Yugoslavia included textual changes in the sections dealing all mention of the continuity between the Illyrians and Albanians.(12)

Although unable to change what had already been published in the Croat edition, the publisher of the Encyclopaedia of Yugoslavia printed the new versions of the two entries and sent them to subscribers, requesting them to insert them in the appropriate place.

The debate within the Encyclopaedia’s editorial board was also echoed in political circles. At the ninth Congress of the Serbian Communist Party held in Belgrade on 27-29 May 1982, a bitter argument broke out over the ethnic origins of the Albanians. The congress of a political party was of course not the proper place to discuss an academic problem of this kind, but the question had apparently assumed a political character and could not be confined to academic circles.

It was nothing les than the incident involving the two entries in the Encyclopaedia of Yugoslavia that became the spark setting off this unexpected debate at the Serbian Communist Party: Congress. The Albanian linguist Idriz Ajeti referred to this scandalous incident in his speech in order to show that many Serbian researchers and journalists were politicising the issue to the extent that only a political forum could settle it, by political means.

Disgusted by the assaults of the newspapers, Professor Ajeti movingly defended at this congress the theory of the linguistic ties between the Illyrian and Albanian languages, and also the ethnic continuity between the Illyrians and the Albanians (13).

His speech met with an immediate response in the congress hall.

Pretending not to understand why a purely academic problem should become a discussion topic at a political congress, the Serbian historian Jovan Deretic asked in pathetic tones what point there was in politicising the question of the Albanians’ ethnic origin.

Why should the Albanians be the descendants of the Illyrians and not of the Thracians ? There was no point in dragging this question out of its academic context – on condition that the Thracian theory was accepted. The Illyrian theory could not be correct, simply because it was an _expression of Albanian imperialism, nationalism, etc. (14) According to Deretic, the Illyrian theory had "a slight whiff of racism" that reminded him of the theory of a pure Aryan race, "and we know very well who inspired that theory." (15) Immediately after Deretic, Petar Zivadinovic took the floor. Zivadinovic was elected a member of the Central Committee of the Serbian Communist Party at this congress. For him, science had still not solved the problem of the ethnic origins of the Albanians, but, although he had never dealt with such academic questions, he knew very well that the Albanians could not be descended from the Illyrians.

The historian Sima Cirkovic also though that the Illyrian theory "stank of racism." (16)

The newspapers at this time were full of articles about the speeches at the conference. "Politika," a Belgrade newspaper with little tolerance for the Albanians, published an article under the headline, "No Campaign, But Creative Criticism."

This newspaper apparently did not stop to consider that this stream of articles written by people who did more to compromise these authors than the Illyrian theory of the ethnic origin of the Albanians.

The book "The Albanians and Their Territories," published by the Albanian Academy of Sciences in Tirana in 1982, and in an English edition in 1985, caused considerable commotion. Albanian authors from Kosova were attacked especially harshly because their work demonstrated the autochthony of the Albanians in the province of Kosova. (17)

These authors attempted in vain to explain that all the articles included in this volume had been previously published in Yugoslavia and were therefore common knowledge long before the book appeared. (1 The attacks persisted because this book discussed what was the most delicate political problem in Kosova.

The campaign against the Illyrian theory intensified alongside the progressive deterioration of the political situation in Kosova. Serbia’s best-known historians appeared on the scene, including the linguist Pavle Ivic, who proceeded to ruin a large part of his own scientific work in order to prove that Serbian and Croatian are a single language. He had never tackled the problems of the Illyrians or Albanians, but it nevertheless emerged that the Albanians could only be of Thracian, not Illyrian origin.

In an interview for the Belgrade weekly NIN, Professor Ivic listed the linguists who have considered the Albanian language a descendant of Thracian and then recalled the well-known but now obsolete argument that the Albanians could not have lived on the Adriatic and Ionian coast, because they possessed word for fish.

According to Professor Ivic, the problem of the Illyrian origin of the Albanians is complicated, but there is nevertheless no question of any doubt that the Albanians are not descendants of the Illyrians and are therefore not indigenous to the province of Kosova. This is precisely what the journalist interviewing him and the magazine’s readers wanted to hear. (19)

A controversy then sprang up in the pages of this magazine between Professor Ivic, Mehmet Hyseni, and Shkelzen Maliqi. (20)

On one hand, all this controversy and debate encouraged the Albanians to study more deeply the problem of their ethnic origin from the archaeological and ethnographic point of view, while it drove Serbian researchers to the point of denying the results of their own work. In 1982, when this problem had become an inflammatory one in what was then Yugoslavia, the Academy of Sciences in Albania organised a national conference on the formation of the Albanian people, their language, and culture. At this conference, which was attended by many foreign historians, many specialists tried to present all the evidence that their different academic disciplines could offer to solve the problem of Illyrian-Albanian continuity. (21)

As in reply to this conference, the Serbs had the idea of organising in Belgrade, under the auspices of the Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences, a series of conferences that were to tackle problems also dealt with in Tirana. The conferences, that were attended solely by Serbian historians, took place in May and June 1986. Their papers were later published in a book, in Serbian and French editions. (22)

A careful reading of the contributions of Ms. F. Papazoglu and Professor M. Garasanin reveals at least a kind of uncertainty in their arguments. These writers sometimes even imply that they do not favour an unconditional rejection of the Illyrian theory of the Albanians’ ethnic origin.

Of course, writers of propaganda have paid no attention to the academic evidence, and have not grasped these authors’ doubts, but only the evidence that suit their anti-Albanian campaign. Aware of the simplification which the complicated problem of the Albanians’ ethnic origins had undergone, professor Garasanin was careful to point out that the Albanians are undoubtedly a palaeo-Balkan people and that the Illyrian element played a part, albeit a minor one, in their formation.

Garasanin asserted that there can be no question of a direct continuity between the Illyrians and the Albanians, because the Illyrians disappeared from history during the five centuries of Roman occupation. The Albanians are therefore a people who were formed in the middle ages from small remnants of peoples, including the Illyrians, who inhabited the western Balkans in classical and mediaeval times.

There is no need to continue. However, we would like to end by emphasising that the misrepresentations of the Serbian academic community in connection with the ethnic origin of the Albanians are part of a long and painful story of abuses of this kind, which have been nothing but political propaganda paving the way for military repression. This is the meaning of the way for military repression. This is the meaning of the campaign by Serbian historians and journalists against the autochthony of the Albanians in the lands they inhabit.

References:

"Oratio fratris Vincentii Priboevii sacrae theologiae professoris ordinis praedicatorum De origine successibusque slavorum, "Venetiis, 1532. Modem bilingual (Latin and Croatian) edition by Professor Grga Novak (Vinko Pribojevic, "O podrijetlu i zgidama Slavena," Zagreb, Jugoslovenska akademija znanosti i umjetnosti, 1951. Compare Pribojevic’s ideas on pan-slavism with Professor Novak’s introduction to his 1951 edition, and to Alois Schmaus, "Vincentius priboevius, ein Vorlaeufer der Panslavismus," in "Jahrbuecher fuer die Geschichte Osteuropas," I, 1952, pp. 243-254; Veljko Gortan, Sizgoric i Pribojevic," "Filologija," 2, 1959, pp. 149-152.
The history of the illyrian idea among the slavs has been written Reinhard Lauer, "Genese und Funktion des Illyrischen Ideologems in den suedslawischen Literaturen, 16. Bis anfang des 19. Jahrhunderts," in "Ethnogenese und Staatsbildung in Suedosteuropa," Klaus-Detlev Grothusen, Goettingen, 1974, pp. 116-143.
Ljudevit Gaj, "Tko su bili stari Iliri?," "Danica ilirska," 5 (1839), Nr.10, pp.37-39; Nr.11, pp.41-43; Nr.12, pp. 46-48; Nr. 13, pp. 49-51; Nr.15, pp. 58-59.
For example, S. Popovic, "Skiti, Iliri, Slavi," in "Letopis Matice srpske," 64 (1844) pp. 67-80.
Bogoslav Sulek, "Sta namjeravaju Iliri?" Beograd, 1844. See the historical commentary on this pamphlet by Antun Barac, Hrvatska knjizevnist, I. Knjizevnost ilirizma, zagreb. Jugoslovenska akademija znanosti i umjetnosti, 1954, pp. 43-44, etc.
See his studies, "Ilirske jezicne studije," Rad. JAZU knj.272, 1948, pp.157-208; "Poreklo Arbanasa u svetlu jezika," in "Lingvisticke studije," Sarajevo, 1954, pp.7-48; "Mbi origjinen e gjuhës shqipe," "Jeta e re." 4, 1952, Nr.3, pp. 205-211.
There are exceptions, e.g. Slobodan Jovanovic, "Jugosloveni i Albanci," "Ideje: Casopis za teoriju savremenog drustva," 1987, Nr. 5-6, pp. 181-185.
Milutin Garasanin, "Ilirët dhe prejardhja e tyre," "Përparimi," 1953, Nr.6, pp. 323-331.
Milutin Garasanin, "Preistorija na tlu SR Srbije," vol.II, Beograd, Srpska knjizevna zadruga, 1973, p. 523.
Milutin Garasanin, "Zakljucna razmatranja," in: "Iliri i Albanci," Beograd, 1988, p. 362.
Ibro Osmani, "Dogovor o spornim tekstovima?," "Vjesnik," 19 June 1982, p.17; Ibro Osmani, "Kriterium i vetem – ai shkencor," "Rilindja," 19 June 1982, p. 12; Milos Misovic, "Kuda ide Jugoslavija?" "NIN," Nr. 1,678, 27 February 1983, p.31-32.
The Prishtina historian Ali Hadri strongly rejected the objections raised by the Serbian group on the editorial board in a long reply that was published in Albanian under the title "Reply to Comments on the Historical Text of the Entries "Albanians," and "Albanian-Yugoslav Relations" in the Encyclopaedia of Yugoslavia," published in the review "Kosova," Nr.11, 1982, pp.217-259. A summary of this text was published in the Zagreb weekly "Danas," Nr. 16, 8 June 1982, p. 14.
His report was published in prishtina: "Mbi origjinen ilire të gjuhës shqipe," "Rilindja," 29 May 1982, p.14.
Jovan Deretic, "Cemu sve to sluzi?," "Danas," Nr. 16,8 June 1982, pp. 62-63.
This assertion was strongly criticised by the Croat writer Ivan Lovrenovic in his article, "Miris kao kriterij," "Danas," Nr. 17, 15 June 1982, p. 17.
For further information about this dispute, see Teodor Andjelic, "Ilirsko-albanske enigma," "NIN," Nr. 1,640, 6 June 1982, pp. 30-32.
Milos Misovic, "Grehovi i gresnici," "NIN," Nr. 1,660, 24 November 1982, pp. 16-17.
Provodom knjige "Albanci i njihova ognjista," "NIN," Nr. 1,665, 28 November 1982, p. 2.p.
Milo Gligorijevic, "Albanija i Kosovo: seobei teritori," "NIN," Nr. 1,664, 21 November 1982, pp. 32-35.
Mehmet Hyseni, "Za nauku, bez spekulacija," "NIN," Nr. 1,666, 5 December 1982, pp. 2-3; Shkelzen Maliqi, "Mistifikacija istoriografije," "NIN," Nr. 1,667, 12 December 1982, pp. 3, 6; Pavle Ivic, "Naucna tastina radi osporovanja nauke," "NIN," Nr. 1,667, 12 December 1982, pp. 6, 19;Pavle Ivic, "Istorijski mitovi i indoktrinacija," "NIN," Nr. 1,671, 9 January 1983, pp. 6,13; Shkelzen Maliqi, "Mistifikacija istoriografije," "NIN," Nr. 1,673, 23 January 1983, pp. 2-3; Pavle Ivic, "Pravo nauke na istinu," "NIN," Nr. 1,675, 6 February 1983, p.19.
The papers of this conference were published in French, "Problemes de la formation du peuple albanais, de sa langue et de sa culture (Choix de documents), " Tirana, Editions "8 Nëntori," 1985.
Iliri i Albanci – Les Illyriens et les Albanais, Beograd, Srpska akademija nauka i umetnosti, 1988.

illyrianboy said...

A dignified enemy leaves you alone in time of mourning. Achilles agreed to give the body of Patroclus to his father Priamus because he was touched by the tears of the old man, who was his enemy.

Serbs do not leave us alone in mourning. I ask what kind of people are they?

Kristian said...

To: anonymous

Well considering albanians were not allowed to study in their own language or have schools of any kind, bc the Ottoman Turks forbade it, for 500+ yrs, I think it would be hard to give you a source. And you know this, otherwise you wouldn't of aske such a question.

But you can't keep a ppl in the dark for long as our neighbours have been trying to do for the past several centuries.

I hope you find your answer and die at the same time bc you're rude and I guess when ppl are morning you have no respect for that.

Live long and die soon and I'll make sure that an Albanian will piss on your grave just for the hell of it! No disrespect I'm just following your example of disrespect.

To other bloggers, I'm a bit pissed and even CV... gave his condolences and payed respect even though a lot of us disagree on a lot of points in our discussions but in such times we all pay respects in the proper manner.

Anonymous said...

u hope i die etc? what kind of people say things like this? i was putting together a memorial for rugova and iwanted to trace his illirain roots. 500 years of the turks? were they not your best friends? i mean did you not tek their religion (where the sword lies religion?) were their officer ranks in the ottoman army not 60% albanian? and to the first responder thank you for posting that, but again I dont think that u understood my question, the question was: can you please show me a ALBANIAN source from prior to the 19TH CENTURY that makes the illiran claim (that is prior to the century in which the albanians saw first the Croats then Serbs make the "illirian" claim first). please and thank you. i am waiting to finsih my memorial, sorry for rugova (he was very funny casue he looked like roberto bengini and he was hilarious at the milosevic trial with his answers, www.domovina.net watch it really funny oscar winning performance. the funniest was when he refused to say kosovo was part of serbia while on his hauge profile it said he came from: prishtina, serbia. only an albaniac....

Anonymous said...

quote:
Well considering albanians were not allowed to study in their own language or have schools of any kind, bc the Ottoman Turks forbade it, for 500+ yrs, I think it would be hard to give you a source.

question:
didnt the serbs live live under the most brutal laws of the ottomans for 500 years while preserving the epic stories of the Kosovo battle and continutiy of their culture verbally amongst its people (hiding from the turks)? did they not keep their religion and not accept the faith of their occupiers (as only leeches would do)? u know the answers to this. if the albos were the desendents of the great illirians you wuld have had a continuity of culture even stronger through-out the 500 years of the turks, but u didnt for one simple reason - u are not illirians.

Dardania 2006 said...

Dear Prez,

Considering how depressing certain Serb bloggers here are, I, and many others, can just promise this:

The resolve to get independence is even stronger

illyrianboy said...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4630410.stm

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2006&mm=01&dd=22&nav_id=186013&nav_category=12

Anonymous check out these links to see how great a people Serbs are.

Anonymous said...

still waiting for a response, please help...funny how it is so hard to find an albo source from prior to the 19th century that cliams ur great illiran past.

Kristian said...

u hope i die etc? what kind of people say things like this?"

Remember I"M A PERSON AND NOT A PPL.

Just about every single soul on this planet does. Maybe your not part of the human race or have no emotions of any kind! I'm assuming you've never had emotions. Or you only have emotions when you have a bottle up the wazzuu. Remember I did say live long...first.

"were they not your best friends? i mean did you not tek their religion"

We were never they're best friends and MOST IMPORTANTLY we didn't take their religion by CHOICE, nor did the serb christians in BH. Maybe you forgot that part. Or the part that the Osmans took male children from the balkans and sent them for training to be Jannisaires. Its not our fault we were better physically then other recruits.


'did they not keep their religion and not accept the faith of their occupiers (as only leeches would do)?"

So is that why SERBS killed their MUSLIM brothers in BH? I'm sure the blood of your own tastes better then someone elses. And I guess the SERBS that did converst to ISLAM are LEECHES eh? I like how you think and how highly you think of serbs, its very gratifying to see such great insights from you anonymous.


"if the albos were the desendents of the great illirians you wuld have had a continuity of culture even stronger through-out the 500 years of the turks, but u didnt for one simple reason - u are not illirians."

Maybe you haven't studied the topography of the balkans. Then maybe you'd understand how isolated and harsh the lands are. And remember the serbs were defeated and albanians defeated the Sultan several times. Bc of that we were severly punished for that and we: "live under the most brutal laws of the ottomans for 500 years" more so then the serbs. That is why Albanian was outlawed and Serbian wasn't!

If it wasn't for the orthodox bishops of greece you'd all probably be of the faith of ISLAM or better yet ATHEISTS. For no creature on earth would kill their own brother or cousin and brag about it!

And just a small fact no one in my clan ever converted to islam bc of the ottoman occupation even under the harshest conditions.

And you're a typical person that stereotypes a ppl if they are not of your own breed, I pity you!

I wonder how long you would of survived in those days when the Osmans invaded? Or maybe you would of fled like your forfathers did bc they couldn't hack it! Albanians had two choices either die or survive bc they didn't have any other place to run back to as the slavs had, since it wasn't their home in the first place. That is my guess why you fled back and made up stories of bravery when you had your tail bt your legs in retreat.

Anonymous said...

again i am patientlly awaiting an albo source from prior to the 19th cent. that claims ur illirian decent?
oh and by the way the serbs fled cause the turks saw them as their biggest enemy in the balkans, a people who faught them harder than anyone in the region a people who did not convert and whos entire nation was exposed to the albanian/turkish killing machine (i mean u should be glad that the serbs fled kosovo because u were never there before that, the sheephearders came down from the mountain "mr. topograpghy" and they were your grandfathers. oh and 1 more question: weren't the core of officers (60%) of the ottoman army albanian??????? (not mention all the other albos who ruled land all over for the turks, muhamed ali etc) WOW GREAT "RESISTANCE" HAHAHAHAH!!!

Anonymous said...

^^ Idiot!

Anonymous said...

still waiting...

Anonymous said...

Get laid!

Anonymous said...

Does it matter to Serbs if Albanians are from Illyrians or Thracians or Vikings?? What should matter to them is that their troops will never again set foot in Kosova. Our resolve is even greater after loosing our dear President. Now it really has to be an Independet Sovereign state just as he repeated it over and over. He is Kosovar Ataturk, our George Washington.His life was not in vain he will live forever!

Anonymous said...

We had no state before the 19th century or even during it, that's why it's hard to find an albanian source that claims that we are illyrians. The appropriation of the past is a 19th century phenomenon. You can still refer to our language which is quite relevant about our illyrian origin.

Albanian is only written since the 12th century and by a really few people. Mass letration is to be considered from about the beginning of the 20th century.

All what you consider that makes a national identity like traditional clothes and folklore and all that stuff was created in the 19th century. The national identity is something very artificial and that's why we albanians have no really strong national feeling through theese aspects but you serbs have one essentially because you had a state during the 19th century. It's a chance for us because we do not live in a huge lie like the other people of euurope do. We have a national feeling through our language which is something clear and relevant,it has been developped during centuries by a few scholars partly living in Italy and in the Sardaigna island.

Cvijus011 said...

Illyrianboy,

Check this out:

Possible radicalisation of Kosovo | 11:10 January 23 | FoNet


WASHINGTON D.C. -- Monday – Political analyst Daniel Server said that the death of president Ibrahim Rugova could lead to a radicalisation of the Kosovo political scene.

Server said that this depends a lot on the results of the Albanian opposition’s fight for control of the Kosovo Government, and added that dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina will have to be postponed because of Rugova’s death.

The director of the Balkan Initiative at the Institute For Peace told the Voice of America that the Kosovo side cannot enter status talks without a president.

“Their parliament must elect a president and this will take some time, so we can be sure that there will be significant postponements. There is also the question of what the new leadership will be like, which is a lot harder to predict. There will probably be a great struggle for power. There are several candidates who showed violent resistance towards the Milosevic regime and they will now be in the forefront. Rugova was always for non-violent politics, but so far I have not heard much praise for Rugova coming from Belgrade.” Server said.

Now the terrorists come to power.

About the news about the Chinese in Kragujevac. So what? Germans choose apartments were there are no albanian neighbors. the Belgians in Antwerpen made an albanian ghetto. I don't see you calling them as racist or "what kind of people they are"?

ivan said...

I respect Rugova as an honest enemy, for he had goals that hurt my people. He used political means of winning his battle. Mostly I respect him for keeping his hands clean and opposing the terrorist actions of UCK.

There are a few politicans in this world who had respect from their enemies. Rugova was one of them.

Rest In Peace

Anonymous said...

If you really want to read about albanians from an albanian source before 18 century I sugest to go and read Marin Barleti who wrote between the 14-15th century.
Good luck

Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Barleti

this is the link for wikipedia and you will find info about him.

Good luck

Ron said...

"To whom it may concern"


Marin Barleti (Latin: Marinus Barletius, Italian: Marino Barlezio; ca 1450, Shkodër - 1512 or 1513, probably Rome). Barleti was a humanist of Albanian descent, the first and greatest Albanian historian, and a Catholic priest.

When Barleti lived in Shkodër he was a scholar and a clergyman. In 1474 the Turks besieged Shkodër. Barleti participated in the defense of the town both in the first siege in 1474 and the second time in 1478. When Shkodër fell to the Ottomans he escaped to Italy where he became a profound connoisseur of history, classical literature and the Latin language. In Venice he wrote the "History of Skanderberg (Historia de vita et rebus gestis Scanderbegi) (1508-1511), "The Siege of Shkodër" (De obsidione Scodransi, Venice, 1504) and "A Brief History of Lives of Popes and Emperors" (Compendium vitarum ponticum et imperatorum, Venice, 1555).

His most well-known work is the biography of the Albanian national hero Skanderbeg, Historia de vita et gestis Scanderbegi Epirotarum principis (The story of life and deeds of Skanderbeg, the prince of Epirotes). It was printed in Rome between 1506 and 1510, probably between 1508 and 1510. The book rapidly spread in several languages and eventually was translated into Latin and Portuguese four times 1582 and German seven times 1533. It is still the foundation of Skanderbeg studies, and also established the Skanderbeg cult that was important for the formation of the Albanian national self-consciousness. This book is considered as an albanian cultural treasure and today is in Biblioteka Kombetare in Tirana, Albania.

Barleti's last work was the collection of popes and emperors, Compendium vitarum Summorum Pontificium usque ad Marcellum II Imperatorumque Romanorum (Compendium of biographies of Popes and Roman emperors until Marcellus II).

The old library of Shkodër and a publishing house have been named after Marin Barleti.

Cvijus011 said...

Another attack on Serbian home | 15:01 January 23 | Beta


GNJILANE -- Monday – A hand grenade was thrown into the yard of Slobodan Todorovic’s home, in the village of Cernica, near Gnjilane.

According to Serbian sources in Kosovo, the attack occurred slightly before 10 pm last night and is the fourth such attack on the Todorovic household in the last several years. No one was injured in the attack, but some property was damaged.

The police have yet to come and investigate the scene.

There are about 40 remaining Serbian families in the village of Cernica. In June 1999, there were 712 Serbs in the village, there are now only about 200 left.

Anonymous said...

There were 10000 albanians killed and 90% of the population deported by the serbian terroristic and genocidal state during the 1999.So when we kill 10001 serbs and deport 91% of the serbian population you are going to have the moral right to bitch about it.Till then we should show you the same love that you showed us.

As for the proof of the Albanian-Illyrian connection,read this.
The Serbian archaeologist Milutin Garasanin represents a special case. In 1955, he wrote an article in the Prishtina periodical "Përparimi", in which he asserted that the Albanians are the direct descendants of the Illyrians. ( In the years that followed, Garasanin increasingly fell into line with other Serbian researchers who denied any such descent.
So find that 1955 article from "Perparimi" and read it.We albanians
have no doubts about our illyrian origins.Like we have no doubts about the iranian origins of serbian or other slavic people.
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

Anonymous said...

Cvijus

those belgians and germans are xenophobic, same as serbians. (greeks are the most xenophobic of all according to polls).

Because Daniel Server says something, that doesnt mean it will happen. I dont know what terrorists you are talking about. No terrorists can come to power in Kosovo.

If you are talking about former KLA leaders (which are not terrorists but freedom fighters) then I have bad news for you. They are already in power. LDK is in coalition with AAK, led by Ramush Haradinaj.

To the anonymous who is asking the question "can anyone give me an albanian source from prior to the 19th century that cliams u are illirian?"

This is a stupid question. Why? Because no research has been done before the 19th century on that issue, neither by Albanians nor anyone. This question is the same as saying "Give me a source from prior to 19th century that claims that Troy existed in modern Turkey". There is no source for that because no one ever bothered to look for Troy before that.

The Albanians never felt the need to assert their Illyrian ancestry, until the attacks from the Slavs on that issue became widespread. You should be asking yourself, why you keep asking stupid questions.

To the last poster

Serbs are a combination of Slavs and an Iranian tribe calles "Serbs". So the name Serb is iranian and the people are a mix. (Same goes for Croatians)

Illyrianboy

arianit said...

Economist states today: "Mr. Rugova did not live to lead his people into the Promised Land, but he brought them pretty close. It seems unlikely that his death will turn back the clock now." When it comes to Serbs, we all want to equally run away from.


Master Serb Provocateur (Cvijus?),
On Illyrians, let's turn this around. Show me one Serb source prior to 19th century that remembers your Iranian blood? How about your bear circuses?
And this not that my arguments are lacking. Scanderbeg (as Barleti and Scanderbeg stamp prove) considered himself a descended of Pirro of Epir. Barleti connects his own fight against the Turks to that of Illyrian Ardians fight for the defense of Shkodra.

In the 19th century, it simply became cool to find roots in antiquity for national movements and the arts. Serbs looked back and found the myth of the supposedly sacrificial Battle of Kosova good enough for they had no antiquity they could talk of.
Illyrian story was actually raised by France when the Illyrian Provinces were created. It is not surprising that it was the French that made the story cool for they were studying and imitating the classics and not Serbs, Croats or Albanians.
Glenny has a neat story from these new histories in the making. It was the British and the French Greco-phils that linked Greek struggle of independence to the classical Greece. Local population had no idea who the f* “Hellenes” were.

On the attack, the police declared that they were not notified on the attack well until the next morning, some 6 hours or more later. And they say there were no damages or victims. I know you wish for victims but this time I had to break your heart.

Kristian said...

"weren't the core of officers (60%) of the ottoman army albanian???????"

So anonymous how many officers were there in total? And if there were so many albanians in the core where did the Osmans get those officers, specifically what regions/cities/villages? And also tell me at what age were they taken to train to become Jannisaires? And how is it that so MANY BECAME OFFICERS, when there were serbs that were recruited as well. What happened they couldn't hack it.

And who faught the Turks harder? By who's accounts? Yours!

I think there were 2 Defenders of christianity named by the Pope. One being ALBANIAN, the other Hungarian! I never saw a mention of a serb being such a valiant warrior and defending their lands so much!

And that Hungarian was doing most of the battling for you! "battle against the Hungarians led by John Hunyadi in Nis" So where the "F" where the serbs, still retreating eh?

And guess what the Serbs backstabbed Hunyadi as well bc they sided with the turks to overthrow him. So if we look at history NO ONE LIKES YOU GUYS! Not even other SLAVS!

And the comment about get laid, did an albanian breed you and your mom never told you? Bc you do have albanian traits, but a bit more extreme. Hec puche dajen me ni sy!

ivan said...

Kritian ,

take it easy man. You are starting to lose sense.

"So if we look at history NO ONE LIKES YOU GUYS! Not even other SLAVS! "

Lets start country by country:

Greece: the biggest insult you can tell somebody, "You are an albanian". Greeks cant stand you guys.

Cyprus: Refer to Greece. In the cypriot opinions, your people just dirtied Cyprus.

Germany: When ever albanians come into an area of the city, the housing prices drop. Germans are just shocked by your primitivism.

Belgium: Similair to Germany, except in the city of Antwerp they say the situation is even worse with Albanians, and correction actions need to take place.

Italy: Average italians are discusted by the way your people do human trafficing.

Lets move on to Russia (our Slav people):

We are considered Slav brothers. As a Serb I was always welcome to Russia and people always considered me as a slab brother.

Greece: Orthodox brothers. Need I to remind you that Greeks and Serbs fought hand in hand in all of our historic wars, even Bosnia.

Germany: when talking to the german people, they tell me that Corats and Serbs managed to integrate the best from all of the immigrants.

Bulgaria: Just to remind you is against Kosovos independence. I guess they cant stand your people as well

Romania: is also agaianst your independence.

Switzerland: the only reason why they are supporting Kosovo independence is so they can kick out all of the so called "Kosovo albanian"asylms and immigrants. They are hoping that once you get the so called country, they will be able to clean their country from your primitivism.

I traveled around Europe quite a lot. I talked to different people. And objectively speaking, we Serbs have a bad image due to the wars in the Balkans, and all of the media campaigns that worked against us ( example, the planting of the masacre in Racak). But when you talk to people they do not mind us living in their country, as a matter of fact they even enjoy being next to us, because we follow their rules and we do our best to learntheir languages and culture. But the albanians are no where wanted. Sorry but you behave like animals. I personally had albaninan neighbours. They played their alabanian music very loud at 3 am, they were dirty and all the time fighting about something. When they left their appartment everybody was happy.

I dont want to go into extremes Kristian. I also met some really amazing albanians. Whom i really respect and envy their courage. But in general just to let you know , in eurpoe you guys are not liked by common european people.

Cvijus011 said...

kristian,

now you're starting to disapoint me. I respected your posts and concidered you as the only worthy partner talking to and have a proper discussion.

"So if we look at history NO ONE LIKES YOU GUYS! Not even other SLAVS!"

Re-read history a little bit:
1) During the WWI the English and French had the posters "help Serbia our ally".
2) During the Balkan Wars, Serbian victories were celebrated in Prague, Krakow, etc.
3) During the wars of 1876-78 we had a great influx of Slavic volunteers to the Serbian army.
4) During the first uprising in 1804 we had a great influx of Greek volunteers.
5) The battle of Kosovo Polje in 1389 is a fact and can be proven by western historians from that time onwards. Not to mention that the bells were ringing in the churches in Venice and Paris to pay respect for the fallen Serbs, defenders of Christianity.

Now let's go to some cultural aspects:
1) In Athens there is are streets named after Karadjordje (city center) and Milos Obrenovic (Pireas)
2) In Vienna there are streets named after Dositej Obradovic and Vuk Karadzic.
3) In Paris there is a street after King Peter I Karadjordjevic
and in Marseille after his son Aleksandar the street were he was assasinated.
4) In Munich there is a Belgradstraße.
5) In New York there is a Nikola Tesla street. Not to mention also the Mihajlo Pupin institute.
6) In Berlin there the Petar-Petrovic-Njegos-straße and the Ivo-Andric-straße.
7) In Sofia there is the st. Sava street.
8) In Thesalonike there is the emperor Dusan Nemanjic street.

You don't even want me to mention that Serbs were praised by Tolstoy and Goethe.

So, yes you're right, Serbs were always hated.

arianit,

"Show me one Serb source prior to 19th century that remembers your Iranian blood?"

We never claimed that we are of Iranian origin.

"Illyrian story was actually raised by France when the Illyrian Provinces were created"

Yes, the Illirian theory was raised by France by creating these provinces. But, these provinces were made up by the territories of modern Slovenia and Croatia. The administrative language was Slovenian-Croatian. Noone even mentioned the albanians. did you forget that the Croat national movement was called "the Illirian Movement"?

"And they say there were no damages or victims. I know you wish for victims but this time I had to break your heart."

reread the news. Some material damages were made, but I guess with no dead (thank God nobody died) and serious damages your police wouldn't even bother coming and carrying out an investigation. I'm really interested whether they will find the actors. But I suppose that when a crime is made on the Serbs, then it doesn't matter, they are Serbs after all. And then you tell me Kosovo is free and democratic and multiethnic bla bla bla.

anonymous,

"those belgians and germans are xenophobic, same as serbians. (greeks are the most xenophobic of all according to polls)."

But I don't see you calling them racists, genocidical nations etc.
But Serbs, who gave autonomy in 1945, you call them with the most worse characteristics. Even though our police killed some albanians, you still concider Germans as civilized who killed millions. But in Germany is the money, for what albanians only care.

"If you are talking about former KLA leaders (which are not terrorists but freedom fighters)"

Killing civilians and kicking them out of their homes is a great fight for freedom. This means ETA are also freedom fighters, Al-Queda aswell.

"They are already in power. LDK is in coalition with AAK, led by Ramush Haradinaj."

Equivalent to Milosevic and Seselj, a Nazi gathering. It makes no difference between Milosevic and Seselj and Taqi and Haradinaj.

Anonymous said...

Dear Ivan,
you as an idiot and your idiotic provocations can't do any harm to us anymore...Idiot is not a perfect word to describe you, but let´s leave it like that...serbians provoked us during the 80s and 90s...the reason was simple...they tried to start a war with albanians and cleans Kosova...but the war started in the 1999...wasn´t the perfect timing ...Usa wasn´t fighting terrorism...they had time to deal with your terrorist country...and now they have invested to much to leave the job unfinished...the things that you said about the albanians in europe are not true...we have a bad image but you have a worse one...I live in Europe and I know some things about here better than you...and Usa is supporting the rightious demands of albanians, so other country´s don´t count...Usa is Empire these days...
The only thing you can hope is Usa to fall as an Empire...
make an idiotic wish you dear idiot...

ivan said...

Cvijus,

i can't wait to hear their replies :)

Do you love science fiction? Well wait you will hear it.

ivan said...

hey anonymous,

how can i answer you when you are a coward who hides behind anonymous name. I guess thats the famous albanian courage , hit and run, just like your UCK heroes fought "courageous" battles. Be a man and stand face to face. See my name is ivan, and you can track my posts through out this blog. But , you just hit and run and hide.

The fact that no eurpean nation likes your people stands. they dont like us Serbs because of the media, but we live as decent citizens in european countries. Unlike the majority of your people who entered into the country illegaly and do mainly criminal jobs.I am talking about Europe, not US. After all you said it correctly, US is to busy with the war against terrorism, and it will be europe that will decide on the faith of Kosovo & Metohija.

Heki said...
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Heki said...

Hey Ivan,

I 'admire'* your 'courage'* for posting a blogg with your name on it. Your 'courage' is to kill innocent people and especially women and children and that's as far as your 'courage' goes.

Now you and other anonymous serbs blame the media for 'smearing' your name - I wonder why!?

*NOTE: This is an explanation for you stupid serbs - the inverted commas represent sarcasm.

P.S. Oh, and here is my name as well.

ivan said...

Heki,

congratulations you became very courageous. Did you have to go to the toilet after you wrote a post with you name on it?

"Your 'courage' is to kill innocent people and especially women and children and that's as far as your 'courage' goes."

Ok, please find me a source about this happening?

Lets take Racak, all of the victims were men, and the forensics clearly show that they were holding fire arms at the time of their death. So every time we kill a UCK terrorist thats masacre, ethnic clesning, bla, bla.
And when ever you kill Serbian innocent people, thats freedom fighting.

I dont say that we did not comit war crimes, but we admit it, and the ones responsible for that will be punished.

But your "courageous" people love to shoot at children b athing at the lake and then run away, they love to shoot at serbian kids carrying serbian books and then run away, they love to throw bombs in serbian houses and then run away. Notice that all of my sentences end with run away.

Personal experience, in Greece my mother was driving a car which had 4 S sticker. Two Albanian guys came up to her to threaten her because of the sticker. The only reason why they couldnt do anything is because Greek people interviened. Two guys attacking a woman who was minding her own job, is that your "bravery"? If it does not bother the Greek people for us to have this sticker, what right do they have to threaten her in a foreign country.

But I am glad Heku you managed to overcome your fears and to finally show your name. I guess hanging around us Serbs in this blog has had positive influence on you. You are finally becoming a real man.

Cvijus011 said...

ivan,

here's another excample of their courage:

A friend of mine in Germany drove a car with Serbian license plates. A group of albanians came to him, beaten him up and damaged the car. It was a typical hit and run.

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Heki said...

Ivan and others,

For your info, that was my first posting - i don't know who the anonymous guy/girl is.

And why do you always talk about Raçak? That was only the icing on top (forgive my punt). There are countless other cases where your armies and paramilitaries killed women and children.

As for finding sources: Is this becomming a contest of who gets what? And even if I post the sources, are you going to change your mind? I don't think so! What is the point of me spending energy on little people like you are?

And finally you admit that you committed war crimes. Good. But not all are being punished for that. Yu are still hiding war criminals, and hide behind them for which your army is doing the utmost to reward them with a state pension.

Our suspected 'war criminals' had the decency and courage to hand themselves over since they do not have anything to hide - did yours?

And do you remember why the war started? Or are you one of them who is fed by the 'media' that you much despise?

Car stickers - my siters car was broken into every week for having a KS sticker on it in the middle of London. What does that prove that you are as 'bad as we are'? Well done!

What is all this bickering doing? Have you no other better thing to do with your life? I have. So this will be my last posting on this blog. Simply, I can't be bothered any longer to explain to you stupid individuals that there are better things to do in life than talk to you stupid individuals.

And as for personal experiences, here is one. On October last year I drove all the way from Horgos to Prishtina and back. Do you know how many fines I paid simply for being an Albanian? Is that something for you to be proud of?

Please, stop being so hipocritical and get on with your lifes (if you have any).

ivan said...

Heku,

"And as for personal experiences, here is one. On October last year I drove all the way from Horgos to Prishtina and back. Do you know how many fines I paid simply for being an Albanian? Is that something for you to be proud of?"

you know Serbia has traffic rules. You cant drive like you drive in your own village. Thats why you paid fines, not because you are an alabanian.

I love those victim stories. And just because you cant prove somthing, now you are changing the subject to having to do something in life and so on... Here is an another example hit and run. But now its hit-run-hide.

"Bravery"

ivan said...

"And do you remember why the war started? Or are you one of them who is fed by the 'media' that you much despise?"

I wouldnt be asking this question if I were you. The war started because your "courageous" UCK terrorists attacked the police and military compaunds, and then ofcourse ran away and hid into the villages as civilians.

Cvijus011 said...

heki,

" Yu are still hiding war criminals"

Nobody is hiding the criminals, they are hiding themselves. Your criminals are in top political positions. Thats even worse.

"And do you remember why the war started? Or are you one of them who is fed by the 'media' that you much despise?"

As I remember the war started when UCK attacked and killed one Serbian family in Gnjilane.

"And as for personal experiences, here is one. On October last year I drove all the way from Horgos to Prishtina and back. Do you know how many fines I paid simply for being an Albanian? Is that something for you to be proud of?"

If you don't like driving through Serbia, than either respect the traffic rules or find another way to go to Pristina. Nobody forced you to drive through Serbia.

Here's another story:

There is a backer in Belgrade who is very succesful and nobody even cares that he is an albanian. Even in '99 he never had any problems with anyone.

" I can't be bothered any longer to explain to you stupid individuals that there are better things to do in life than talk to you stupid individuals."

than why are posting. Go and do whatever you do.
As ivan said now your tactic is hit-run-hide

Heki said...

Ivan and cvijus84 (I guess that is the year that you were born - in which case you are to young to know anything, anyway),

Despite that I said that I won't write, here is another just to prove that the tactics are not 'hit-and-run'. I am being hipocritical, but stupid individuals like you won't let me get on with my life.

'you know Serbia has traffic rules. You cant drive like you drive in your own village. Thats why you paid fines, not because you are an albanian.'

On that first sentence you might want to add the word 'selective' before the word traffic.
I was stoped for having foreign plates, and after finding out that I was driving to/from Prishtina - I was told, and I quote:
'Vi Siptari imate para. Ajde sada plati nam kafu' ('You Albanians have money. Now buy us a coffee.'
NOTE: Siptari is the derrogative name that Serbs use for Albanians and indeed for Serbs from Kosova).

And I don't blame them for being 'beda' (NOTE: beda - poor). It is in your blood.

In Kosova however, you cannot give money to the police officers if stopped on the street - you have to go to court and pay. If you try that, it will be regarded as bribe and you will go prison for that. Now don't tell me that you have a better policing system than Kosova.

As for forcing me, nobody did. I drove simply because it was closer to get to Kosova and much better feeling to polute Serbia rather then Montenegro or Albania. Treating drivers like that only goes to show what kind of people you are, so don't go on blaming the 'media' for what you did/do. Media reports what it witnesses, or maybe you are tought differently in Serbia.

'I love those victim stories. And just because you cant prove something, now you are changing the subject to having to do something in life and so on... Here is an another example hit and run. But now its hit-run-hide.'

You know as well as I do that that is not the case - and the only way to shut you up is to post links.

As for finding the stories here is one link (maybe you have heard of) - and then you can search and research all you like:

http://www.google.com

and then type in the search box: albanian women and children killed in Kosovo

After you have searched, you can (probably - although I doubt you can) see why I can't be bothered, as there are simply to many.

Here are some that I read (I am sure you can read the rest):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/63979.stm (read paragraph 5)

http://www.gendercide.org/case_kosovo.html (read paragraph 1)

Now to explain to you why the war started in some quick points:

1. You wanted to rule of YU.
2. People were fed up with innequalities.
3. That is why all wanted to break away from a rule where some are 'more equal then others'.
4. You closed the university and secondary schools in Albanian language.
5. Expelled hundreds of thousands of people for not wanting to sign to become part of serbia.
6. You ran a police state in Kosova where Albanias were treated as secondary citizens.
7. Serbs in Kosova enjoyed absolutely anything they wanted.
8. Shall I go on or have you got a little bit of a brian to figure out for yourselves the unfolding of events?

Now, good bye and god speed to almost all of you (except some - and you know who you are).

Now I am off.

Good luck and don't spend to much time reading - you will only start to doubt your shovinistic and natinalistic beliefs.

'Quid pro quo' *
* You will understand why I wrote this if you read the pages from the search results.

Now I really do have a life.

Cvijus011 said...

check these out:

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9907/24/kosovo.02/

http://www.balkanpeace.org/hed/archive/may00/hed161b.shtml

http://iht.com/articles/2005/08/28/news/kosovo.php

ivan said...

Heki,

you keep on repeating that you have a life as if you are trying to convince yourself into that. Ok i believe you , you have a life, are you happy now.

Big mistake Heki, you shouldnt have told us to look it up on goolge, because i found one site that does show that women and children have been killed, but it appears to me that they were cross fire victims:

"Most seemed to have died in what appeared to have been a pitched battle in which heavy weapons might have been used. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/63979.stm

Serbian police claims that women and children have been evacuated, but who knows its possible your UCK "heroes"planted them there just to show it was "ethnic clensing".

I found another site, where your cowardly "heroes" killed 40 innocent civilians in the year 2001, while they were going to a religious cremony. Again a cowardly attack by planting a bomb. If you kill somebody have then the courage to look at them in the eyes. But i guess your cowards would piss in their pant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/16/newsid_4145000/4145607.stm

I have checked the site you posted. And out of respect, I deeply apologize for what individuals did in the name of my country. every single innocent victim is a sin for the whole region. But I must say that I did not find the site objective at all. What about the masacre of Serbs in the villages surrounding Srebrnica? 3000 of them were masacred. What about the masacre of Serbs in Donji Vakuf? What about 500K Serbs who were forced during the Croatian Oluja. Out of respect for the victims I will not question about the validity of the mentioned stories, but I do not find this site as an objective source.

Anyway Haki, since now you are convinced you have a life I am sure that you hanging around with Serbs really has a positive effect. First you were able to post a blog with your name, and now you admited that you have a life. I hope that in the next post, you will be able to admit that you take responsibility of your life.

Cvijus011 said...

here's another one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3148793.stm

ivan said...

How are Serbs supposed to pay for electricity, whe they can not even step outside their own house:

News from Tanjug:

SERBS IN CENTRAL KOSOVO AND ENCALVES WITHOUT POWER
24.1.2006 17:20 BELGRADE, (Tanjug) - Serbs living in central Kosovo and Metohija and the enclaves, where daily temperatures have dropped to 17 degrees below the freezing point for the third consecutive day, have been without electric power for the past week, the Coordination Center announced Tuesday.

I guess now the new startegy is, let them freeze to death.

Anonymous said...

Hey Ivan and Cvijus

I am writing to tell you guys that it was me who wrote the post before and you assumed that I was anonymous. But if you read the post you see that I signed it with "Illyrianboy" at the end. I guess that just proves how stupid you guys are. You can't even read properly.

Your posts are really childish.

I wonder where did the first ANONYMOUS poster go who was asking questions about Illyrians. I guess he didnt like my response, so now he disappears. (By the way Ivan, as you can see everything you said about writing anonymously applies to your SERBIAN friend, ironic ha?)

Illyrianboy

HELLOOO Look above. There, I signed the post. Can you see?

Cvijus011 said...

but your posts illyrianboy are sooo intelligent, even Einstein can't match you

Anonymous said...

stupid Ivan, you made me write again.

If Albanians dont have electricity, how the fuck are they supposed to create electricity for the serbs only. They are on the same boat.

And let me remind you that it was the Serbian government who didnt allow macedonian trucks with fuel to pass through serbian territory (tabanovce) to go to Kosovo. They were hoping to plunge Kosovo into an energy crisis. Good idea. But it didnt work, cos fuel is coming with the trains.

Anonymous said...

cvijus

your intelligence is too low to judge the intelligence of my posts.

illyrianboy

Cvijus011 said...

illirce,

show me an example of my stupid posts.

ivan said...

Haki,

I thought we were making progress. You hid your name again. See what happens as soon as one of your albanians puts a post on. You lose that courage.

"If Albanians dont have electricity, how the fuck are they supposed to create electricity for the serbs only. They are on the same boat. "

I guess Prishtina is also without electricity. If it is, please send me a source where i can read this.

"And let me remind you that it was the Serbian government who didnt allow macedonian trucks with fuel to pass through serbian territory (tabanovce) to go to Kosovo. They were hoping to plunge Kosovo into an energy crisis. Good idea. But it didnt work, cos fuel is coming with the trains. "

where did you read this? I never heard of this. IF this was the case, just like your driving skills, they probably needed to have certain documentation. You know Serbia is a country with rules and regulation just like any other developed country.

Anonymous said...

hey stupid ivan, it was not Heki, it was me who wrote the post. you are really stupid. i had written the previous post and than I wrote "again". you are really stupid. PATHETIC!

Cvijus
all your posts are stupid, insensitive, ignorant.

Illyrianboy

Cvijus011 said...

"Cvijus
all your posts are stupid, insensitive, ignorant."

Ajde bre ilirce sta si se usrao daj mi bre neki primer koliko sam glup, citiraj nesto sam napisao, nemoj da si takav - picka. Budi musko

Dardania 2006 said...

Cvijus and Ivan,

You two are soooo cute. I love how you try to be "diplomatic" and "impartial".

Is this the only place teenagers like you can gain confidence and feel like victims at the same time?

ivan said...

I guess you guys have no other arguments, since Dardanaia started calling us cute, illyrianboy stupid..... shall i you are left without arguments?

Dardania, a teenager is someone between 16 -19. If Cvijus is born in 1984, that means he is 22 years old, which does not qualify him for a teenager. However with the arguments he has and your inability to respond to him tells me that maybe you got frightened by him, and now you are trying to change the subject.


Once again you prove the tactics of hit-run-hide (divert yourself from a fighter to a civilian).

Wish you all the best, and please do some reading you will understand...

Anonymous said...

Cvijus and Ivan need to get laid.

Will somebody start a paypal account so we can donate into it and get them a hooker?

Cvijus011 said...

"Will somebody start a paypal account so we can donate into it and get them a hooker?"

What's up anonymous? Don't have anything clever anymore to say and you start talking BS? You're pathetic and hopeless.

Anonymous said...

Wow, on the subject of "Kosovo Mourns the Loss of President Rugova" there are 57 comments most of which have nothing to do with the loss of President Rugova.

People especially Albanians, do not get provoked so easy just pay your respects and move on. Serbs do the same, and if you can't just move on to a blogg where people might care as to what your opinions are on Illyrians or the perception of whom ever, where ever.

End this nonsense NOW. DO NOT REPLY TO PETTY, DISRESPECTFUL COMMENTS.

Vancouver said...

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Vancouver said...

Hi there;
Although my english is not perfect I'll try to take my chance and add just a few points to this toppic.
First of all this refers to comments posted by Ivan and Cvijus84 who apparantly do not have a sense of reasoning.
This because on this topic is supposed to be posted only the comments and opinions of the loss of our grateful President Rugova,topic which doesn't deal with a history in the first place.
This is just making me believe that there's nothing that can clean a serb moral and that you can never expect a respect from a serb,because they don't even know what respect is or means.
For you questions about the Ilirians you'de better refer to related historical forums or you better read some more history before making any statement ,and that not serbian editions.Find first out your own origin,first discover your own routs which will bring you far from Balkan Peninsula,and then explore someon elses history. Apparently you don't have sufficient knowledge of history cause frankly you don't have one(history).you only have a history which is based on lies and manipulations.
How so ever I have quoted above that your question or better say your provokation doesn't belong here to this topic and i'm not going to tire my finger on typing historical facts and trying to persuade you,because only your unreliable history is what you can be proud with, just one more fact that you only look backwards and not forward(the future).
Accept my regrets if I have to remind you that even that piece of your pride is sad,with losings and failures.
By the way it isn't to suprised that serbs are the only nation in the world who celebrate the capitulations(failurs).
So friends try to fresh your minds by thinking bright, get rid of heatred and look forward,let us work together for a better future for us and our children.Get rid of legacy of heatred wars and conflicts.
There is no a single piece of land in this world where hasn't been poured blood for teritories,or better say there's no history without conflicts,just remember the World War II and the West -Europe where only the ruins of war were left behind but now the same nations who faought the worst wars are now the best and strongest allies.
As per our image in the west European countries ,dont think that you have a better one,thare's no space up here to tell you the crimes commited by serbs in all European countris ,so it is not only the media to balme(neither are the war crimes)but your criminals who seek asylum and pretend to be from Kosovo.
Of course there are albanian criminals as well and i believe that criminals have to be punished regardless of race ,ethnic origin or religion.
There's no perfect society(only you belive on that)and every society has good and bad sides as well as criminals but that isn't an element to judge one society.
So don't think you've got a better priviliges and don't forget that not only Albanians are called foreigners or strangers by the west Europens but so are called the serbs the Croats,Slovenians,Bulgars,Turkish,Oezbekies,Sudanese,Morocans,russians,Chineze etc... so when it comes to immigrants or better say strangers ,they don't make a selection but put us all in the same place and that place is the trash.
Of course in your face they will tell you things you'd like to hear but be sure that they hang on their opinions and consider us as a second class or even third citizens.
I travelled the world enough and could see and analyse very good these sentiments,and what you concerns belive what you want,but this is the opinion of the West europeans for their neighbour south and east.
So let's leave the history behind andtry to work out our differencies,let's try to build a new relations on other dimensions and on a peacefull coexistence,because if we were to look back than really we are the ones that have to be angry on you because no matter whose Kosovo was,you came and bothered and killed us in our homes.And don't forget that you are the ones who started all Yugoslav wars, so it's not only albanians who you have to apologize but also croats,bosnians,and slovenians.
I realize how difficult is for you to accept the reality,but try to do so because there's more in the world than heatred,destruction and offence so try to deal with it because no matter what the outcome of the negotiations about Kosovas's status will be,will be not decided neither by serbs nor By Albanians but by G8 or batter USA outcome which will be independence no matter the degree,conditioned or full.
Try to accept and deal with it because that's the reality my friends,not only because Kosova was allways Albanian but because more then 90% of its population is Albanian, and that's the reality my friend. Try to accept that eventhough you are used to call kosovo as a cardle of serb civilisation,the baby in it is Albanian.
so that's the reality my friend and not 2 or 3 chuches which also have been converted from albanian catholic churches to orthodox ones.
Don't forget that if we were to look and rely on monuments,untill Slovenia belongs to us,but fortunately this is not the factor upon which the decissions have to be made otherwise only the 3-d world war would be an option becouse many nations have monuments anywhere else.I have so many things to say but right now i'm just to bussy with my degree at university. And one more thing about respect, just have a look and follow the at this blogg the mourns and telegrams that are comming every day from the highest personalities and statemen of the world,and that will tell you enough how Albaninans are respected from their allies. Honesty and respect are obligations of every idividu in mournings.By the end of the day we don't need your respect because we have the respect that we need neither we need the simpathy of Bulgaria,Greece,Rumania..etc.
The respect of civilised world made us what we are today(protected by the Nato and the whole world)and this respect will make Kosova independent.
Just one more thing even if we albenians were what you said,don't forget that we turned the world against you,sanction you,bomb you and isolate you.
Your fate is more or less again dependent by us wether or not you will learn to deal with reality and civilisation of the modern world which is base on peace respect and equality.;etc.. or remain isolated and deprived of joining the free world, and kosova will be the key for this.
Sorry the truth hurts, but that's the reality, and as i have above mentioned i really have more important things to do than dealing with someone unsociable as you.
But my advise would be, try to be civilised and look towards securing a bright future,leave the ignorance behind and show little respect,do not be among those who spread hate and don't turn the history into a battle,because that only brings us back.
So let us try to build again a true peace and frienship because we all have one aim and that is a secure future for our children, of course it's a long path to go and probably more then one generation is needed but it's worth to try it.
There's enough place on this planet for everyone.

So let us make the path shorter.

Vancouver said...

I hope you don't mind for the errors i've made in spelling and typing.
I've had no time to correct it, it is 3:00 am (morning)and to tired.

Anonymous said...

Trolls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling, that's what the Serbians here are. You know how you defeat a troll? You stop feeding it.

fauna said...

cvijus & ivan,
can you tell us why serbia was bombed?
remind us...

a european country was bombed by NATO!
now that's something.. and must've been a damn good reason

think about it for a bit
maybe you will come to realize something...

Anonymous said...

'a teenager is someone between 16 -19'

Ivan, just for your info and to educate your sorry souls a little bit - a teenager is someone from 13-19 (thirteen -nineteen.

And well done, you can count - did you use an abacus? or did your use your fingers and toes?

Shype, a keni vakt me u marre me keta njerez a? Nejse, s'jane njerz po u desht diqysh me ju thane... :-)

Xythi

ivan said...

Dear Albos,

Anonymous Serb ( i guess so), inquired you where he can find evidence prior to the 19th century which claims that you are illirian. It was a simple question, and you got all upset. Why? Is it because truth hurts, that there are no ties between illrians and albanains.

Need I to remind you that both Cvijus and I showed respect to Rugova, and it was you guys who began the whole debate on this post. No matter what the occasion is I will not keep my mouth shut when somebody spreads lies against my country.

I see no one of you had the decency to comment anything on the links I put or the links Cvijus put. And the only arguments we recieved was that we should get laid. Shall I concloude that you guys are embaressed of what your people did or that you are totally ignorant?

We have another poster who wants to prove that he has a life...his name is Vancouver. OK I guess this therapy for albanians is really going good.

Just to answer some of your questions: To the matter of respect by other nations, you just answered to me so are you. Well I say its not true. Go to Germany, go to Switzerlnad, ask any German or Swiss person what they think about you. Ask Greeks, ask italians. The answer you will get is I cant wait to get rid of them.
Yes Serbia was bombed, but not because of you. You really have a high opinion of your primitve culture. We were bombed because of Milosevic and his regime. And if you read my posts, i do APOLOGIZE what hos regime did to your people. Serbs took that regime down, we take the responsibility fur such actions, but I guess your coward culture doesent allow you to openly APOLOGIZE.

Talking about securing future for our children...yes its possible, but you first have to stop killing serbian children.For more information refer to the posted links Cvijus and I posted.

As for gathering money for Cvijus and I to get laid, thats nice of you, but i would prefer for you to invest that money so the Serbian villages can survive the winter without electricity. I suggest that instead of supporitng prostitution (the biggest Kosova industry) it would be better for you to invest that money so that serbian people in Kosovo & Metohija can live decent lives.

ivan said...

Here is some lunch time reading for you guys. This is just to open your eyes and i question you when will Serbs feel safe in Kosovo& Metohija. By the way the source is UNHCR "Update on the Kosovo
Roma, Ashkaelia, Egyptian, Serb, Bosniak, Gorani and
Albanian communities in a minority situation"

http://www.unhcr.ch/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/home/opendoc.pdf?tbl=SUBSITES&id=412b0b674

On 11 February 2003, two persons forcibly entered a Kosovo Serb house in Devet Jugovica,
Prishtine/Pristina North Village, severely beat a 65 year-old Kosovo Serb, shot her twice in the
leg and fled. Her son had already left for Serbia 18 months earlier, having been beaten. The attack
on the single woman revived the feeling of insecurity and four neighbouring families immediately
left for Serbia.
After several incidents in the mixed village of Mogila, tensions were high in Viti/na
municipality, Gjilan/ Gnjilane region, in spring 2003.

In Obilic/q, Prishtine/Pristina region, unknown person(s) murdered an 80-year-old Kosovo Serb,
his 78-year-old wife and their 53-year-old son before setting their house and car on fire on 04
June 2003.58 In Skulanevo village, one of the four mono-ethnic Serb villages in Lip(l)jan
municipality, allegedly two known Kosovo Albanians from a nearby village shot and killed a
Kosovo Serb male on 11 August 2003.59
On 13 August 2003, several unidentified gunmen opened fire from automatic weapons at a group
of Kosovo Serbian youth bathing in a stream near the village of Gorazdevac/Gorazhdec, Peje/Pec
municipality. One 19-year-old male was killed on the spot, one 12 year-old boy died on the way
to the hospital and four other juveniles were hospitalized.60 On 26 August 2003, unknown
person(s) shot and seriously injured a Kosovo Serb male in the village of Binxhe/Bica, Kline/a
municipality61.
On 31 August 2003, a bomb attack in the Serb part of the ethnically mixed village of Cernica,
Gjilan/Gnjilane municipality, killed one and injured four Kosovo Serb men. Within seconds,
another incident occurred 300m from the first one, causing no casualties. Two hand grenades
thrown from a car caused the explosions. After this, four families left the village in fear. On 04October 2003, a Kosovo Albanian shot and killed a 75-year-old Kosovo Serb woman attempting
to visit her house, illegally occupied by the Kosovo Albanian’s family, in Gjilan/ Gnjilane town.
On 28 November 2003, a group of 26 Kosovo Serbs intending to return to Kline/Klina town had
arrived to Binxhe/Bica on a KFOR escorted bus. Two weeks later, a Kosovo Albanian crowd
attacked the group of Kosovo Serbs thus preventing the first attempted return to urban area of
Kline/Klina town in Pejë/Pec region. Since this attempt to return to the town failed, the group has
since remained in secondary displacement in Binxhe/Bica. In January and February 2004, an
additional 20 IDPs joined the group.
A 70 year old Kosovo Serb male was assaulted by six persons in Gjilan/Gnjilane municipality,put in a bag and thrown into a river on 08 November 2003. The victim was hospitalised with head
injuries.
On 10 January 2004, a Kosovo Serb male was injured in a drive-by shooting in Novo Naselje,
Lip(l)jan Municipality which provoked protests and violent confrontations between Kosovo Serbs
and Kosovo Albanians in the neighbouring villages. Also in Lip(l)jan Municipality, a Kosovo Serb male and female were found dead with gunshot wounds inside a vehicle parked on a road in
an ethnically mixed area on 19 February 2004.
Apart from these most severe incidents, Serbs were often victims of physical assaults and attacks
against their property, such as arson or use of explosives. Small scale incidents hindering the
exercise of freedom of movement occurred continuously: Albanian children reportedly threw
stones at passing vehicles with Serb drivers or passengers in Suvi Do, Mitrovice/a municipality.
Rock throwing at cars with Yugoslav license plates was also repeatedly reported in Koretin,
Kamenice/a municipality. The UNMIK provided shuttle between Rahovec/ Orahovac, Prizren
region and Zvecan, Mitrovice/a region, experienced rock throwing on five occasions during 2003,
all when passing through Malishevo municipality. During the month of June 2003, an increasing
trend of pelting stones on Kosovo Serbian owned houses and at pedestrians was noted. Numerous
stone throwing incidents go unreported, as do low level harassment.

Anonymous said...

Ivan,

I wonder if you know which part of Kosova is the 'Metohija'? I mean I am sure you can read and ask around, but be truthfull if you can and tell me from the top of your head.

And another thing - stop blaming everything on the Milsevic and the regime. A bit of a lesson on how things work - a regime is made of people that were elected by the people - now don't tell me you were the biggest victims of the regime. Come on, you were, or rather the serbs in Kosovo, enjoying the life that no other nation new. By killing and oppresing the Albanians for what they had - the freedom of speach. By the way, why did you overthrow your Milosevic regime? Because you could not stand the oppression? Is that right? That is exactly why we fought - because the peacefull demonstrations were met with the brutality of the serbian police and army. I guess you would not know these things and it is because your media did not report them. Get the facts straight and then start arguing...

About apologising - here it goes - I apologise in the name of Albanians that we have killed Serbs in Kosova after 1999. Did that satisfy you? Have the problems now been solved?

Apologosing is easy, making it hapen is something else. Apologising means that you return all of Albanian bodies that are still in mass graves in Serbia. Apologising means that you have to return all the wealth stolen from Kosova which include the archives as well as historical artifacts (which prove that we are the descendants of Illyrians).
Apologising is to start respecting our culture, no matter how 'primitive' you might think it is.
Apologising is to finally accept that you have lost power in Kosova and that you will only be treated as equal as everybody else.

Crimes happen everywhere - and yes, there are criminals who kill serbs and indeed Albanians. But I am pretty sure that there are Serbs that kill each other - and I doubt that they are branded as terrorists... Do you actually know the definition of the word terrorist?

In one of the comments I read that there is a baker in Belgrade who is Albanian. I have a cousin in Belgrade, whose mother is Serb and Father Albanian - and when she came to Kosova she said that she is not being treated good in Belgrade, for her name is Albanian.

Now get to grips with reality and stop offending Kosovars and Albanians because you are not superior to any other nation in the world. In fact you are inferior, or have grown to be so.

Additionally, I work with a Serb in Prishtina, and he is a good lad and he travels freely from a village in Gjilan to Prishtina every day. Has he complained? No. We go out for drinks now and again, go out to lunch together. We have gone past the hatred phase. I recommend that you do so to.

Serbs can freely move in Kosova if they want to, it is your media, your papers and tv's that spread lies (I guess because of the Milosevic regime!?!?). Have you ever been in Kosova? Do you know what it looks like or do you still believe your media that Albanians live in trees? If it is the latter, then god help you, although I think that it is a lost cause.

Guys, I can see that you are trying to prove to yourselves that you are better then Albanians - and for insignificant people like you, than so be it.

And about the killings of serbs in Kosova - how can you convince a person whose family has been wiped out of the face of the earth by the serbs, not to retaliate? That person is probably living with rage every day, and will probably be a disturbed person, so he will grab every chance that he has to retaliate - I am sure you would do the same.

btw - Heki said it quite well, 'Quid pro Qou' - but you did not understand it. Ask your parents what it means.

see you
Xythi

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fauna said...

ivan,
how do you explain albanian origin? albanian language, that has its own roots

enlight me

ivan said...

Xythi,

"a regime is made of people that were elected by the people - now don't tell me you were the biggest victims of the regime. Come on, you were, or rather the serbs in Kosovo, enjoying the life that no other nation new. By killing and oppresing the Albanians for what they had - the freedom of speach. "

I congratulate you for the courage for writting such nonsense. what freedoms did the serbs have? what freeedoms did the serbs have that albanians didnt have? give me a break, we did not have freedom of speech either. All the TV and radio stations that were opposing milosevic were either shut down or were under strict supervision. If Otpor memeber were tortured and anybody who wanted to succed in Serbia had to become a memebr of either SPS or JUL. Give me a break, if anybody should trial milosevic its the serbs.


"Crimes happen everywhere - and yes, there are criminals who kill serbs and indeed Albanians. But I am pretty sure that there are Serbs that kill each other - and I doubt that they are branded as terrorists... "

You just apllogized and now you have to start BS again. Serbs disguised as UCK terrorists, and what else? Your brainwashed brain needs to open up to the truth. Yes more than 3000 Serbs have been killed after 1999 and more than 130 churches were set fire. If you had decency to reat the above source you will realise that old people were killed, children were killed. And after all that you tell me the following:


"And about the killings of serbs in Kosova - how can you convince a person whose family has been wiped out of the face of the earth by the serbs, not to retaliate? That person is probably living with rage every day, and will probably be a disturbed person, so he will grab every chance that he has to retaliate - I am sure you would do the same."

you see that is the difference between Serbs and Albanians, culture and primitivism. No I would not do the same, and I know hundereds of instances where Serbs did not do the same. If this is the kind of country you want to build, where blood revenge is legal, GOD SAVE EUROPE!!!!!!
what does this mean, should I now kill any croat i see just because my uncle got killed by Corats in the Bosnian war? Should I kill Croatian children? maybe some poor croatian old people, steal theri remaining money and set their house on fire. Yes according to the albanian culture that ok, because my uncle got killed and I need to revenge him. You want to get Europe, well i suggest you start reading some books about civilization.

"I have a cousin in Belgrade, whose mother is Serb and Father Albanian - and when she came to Kosova she said that she is not being treated good in Belgrade, for her name is Albanian. "

But i see she managed to come to Prishtina in one piece. Read the above cases where Serbs did not end up in one piece.

"Serbs can freely move in Kosova if they want to, it is your media, your papers and tv's that spread lies "

But I guess they are not allowed to bath in the lake:

On 13 August 2003, several unidentified gunmen opened fire from automatic weapons at a group
of Kosovo Serbian youth bathing in a stream near the village of Gorazdevac/Gorazhdec, Peje/Pec
municipality. One 19-year-old male was killed on the spot, one 12 year-old boy died on the way
to the hospital and four other juveniles were hospitalized.

" Guys, I can see that you are trying to prove to yourselves that you are better then Albanians - and for insignificant people like you, than so be it."

I am not trying to prove anything except the fact that you guys are no angles as you tend to show and that you as well as we Serbs should take responsibility of your actions and not giving excuses of " blood revenge" .

Anonymous said...

please ignore all comments out of context of ivan and cvijus for the sake of the this moment

ivan said...

PS- Dont forget Milosevic was stealing on elections thanks to Kosovo & Metohija. IF you went and voted against him , he would have been long gone and all this wouldnt have happened. But since your " wise" politicians insisted that you boycot everything that is Serbian, Milosevic stole your votes in his favour. why didnt you help us overthrow him? Because it did not fit with the plan of GREAT ALbania. So now please spare me the BS, and honestly admit that each one of you dreams of this Great homogenous(serb free) Albania, and I will respect you much more.

ivan said...

Fauna,

The only document that support Albanian existence is the Byzantine chroniclers which date the arrival of Albanians (Alvanoi) from Southern Italy at 1043 in central Albania (Durrës) as mercenaries in the army of Maniakis.

Hope it answers your question

Anonymous said...

I congratulate you for the courage for writting such nonsense. what freedoms did the serbs have? what freeedoms did the serbs have that albanians didnt have? give me a break, we did not have freedom of speech either. All the TV and radio stations that were opposing milosevic were either shut down or were under strict supervision. If Otpor memeber were tortured and anybody who wanted to succed in Serbia had to become a memebr of either SPS or JUL. Give me a break, if anybody should trial milosevic its the serbs.

A simple question needs a simple answer: Did you have the right/freedom to learn in your onw language? The University in Prishtina was closed to the Albanians - we could not study in Albanian. Our secondary schools were closed to Albanian classes - i.e. we had to learn in establishments such as private houses. Was this freedom denied to you?
The secondary schools and Prishtina university was open to serb students only and in serbian only. A lo tof Kosovar Albanians had to leave Kosova in search for a better future elsewhere in Europe - because our parents did not have any jobs. They were dismissed for not wanting to sign to be a part of milosevics regime. Read a bit more and stop beliving what your media tought you even though it was under Milosevic's regime. Get your facts right. I know that you were oppressed as well but not to the extent that the Albanians were.

And one more thing - you have very selective reading. At no point did I say that I approve of the killings. My uncle was killed and another one was imprisoned together with his two sons in Serbia where he was killed. And for that reason, according to you, I should have done the same instead of talking here to you. But that is not the case. All I said was that the war has scarred some people who go on and retaliate. I also told you that I work with a serbian guy and we go out for coffee and lunch. Should I have killed him by now?

Plus stop comparing Belgrade to the rest of Serbia. Belgrade is a big city and not many give a shit about politics. And I met several serbs who work in Belgrade that came to visit Kosova. They say it is fine here - we went out and entertained them. Spoke serbian and it didn't even turn anybody's head.

And about my cousin? Of course she came to Prishtina and was able to do so. Where is the problem there? She was able to go back to Belgrade as well wasn't she? What is that argument about? She can't speak a word of Albanian - and for that reason she would have, according to you, been killed for speaking serbian. Instead she had a good time.

And nobody is talking about bood feud. Who said anything about that? It's a spur of the moment... and those that killed serbs have been arrested and they were all individuals. Maybe they don't know better because they didn't have a chance to be educated because the serbs closed the schools? Could that be a possibility? Use some 'deductive resoning' to why those things happened.

Come one, if your police/army/regime was bad to you guys what do you think it was to us?

And I am not saying that all serbs are bad, am I? So why are you branding all Albanians to be terrorists?

Is that how you are tought at school?

What is wrong with you? Why do you hate Albanians so much?

And you didn't answer my question - do you know where Metohija is? Or you use that because it was Milosevic who referred to it as 'Kosovo and Metohija'? Is that how YOU apologise? Is that how YOU want to go forward to joing Europe?

Do you deny that you do not want to lose Kosovo because of your dream for Greater Serbia? Or Montenegro for that reason? Does your most famous patriotic song go like this: 'Who is lying that Serbia is small, it isn't - it has grown thrice, and who lies that serbia doesn't have [access to] sea - it has montenegro?' Isn't that your dream?

We did not participate in your elections because our parliament (asembly) was dismissed - who would I had to vote for? Draskovic or Seselj?

Get real!!! Read a bit more.

please ignore all comments out of context of ivan and cvijus for the sake of the this moment

I know I should let him be and I should not try to educate him, but I am getting a bit annoyed with his ignorance and selective reading.

Xythi

Mir said...

I respect Rugova greatly and am saddened that he is gone.

That dosen't have to mean I have to like Albanians now though. I respected him because he was HONEST in the fact that he wanted an INDEPENDENT Kosovo/Kosova. It seems most of the other people on here just want an Albanian "satellite" country.

The Albanian/Serbian rivalry wont die anytime soon if at all. The only way to make those two get along is by doing what is being done in BiH (which is making the economy dependent on both, muslims and bosnian serbs so that they have a symbiotic relation). However with an independent Kosovo/a this wont be possible.

So please do not preach that there 'will be peace' once Kosovo/a is independent because that is not true.

fauna said...

Ivan,
sorry, that doesn't answer my question
but i must say, it sounds interesting

you said Albanians came from Southern Italy in 1043
so what are you saying? albanians are of roman descent?

Anonymous said...

To Mir.
There is no albanian in this world expecting any love from the serbs.So we don't care if Mir or all the serbian nation doesn't like us. How do you know that in an independent kosova,will be no economic prosperity? Who are you Adam Smith?

To cvijus.
You listed all the historic and cultural aspects that make serbia and serbian nation respected in the world.Then how come this people that respect you and like you so much Bombed the shit out of your country in 1999? And don't blame it on Clinton or Blair or the West.
To Ivan.
You are a dickhead.Are you flattering yourself because Russia ,Bulgaria,Greece like you?Slavic people have always been our public enemy number one,from the times that they showed their faces in the balkans.So there is nothing new in there.Greece has a lot of territorial disputes with us so the orthodox brotherhood comes in handy in this case.you can make up all the shit that you want about the Albanians,but We have never committed genocide against other people.You killed 250 000 people and caused 4 wars in the nineties.The civilized world had to bomb your primitive species.

Anonymous said...

Just because a few select albanians or serbs have killed innocent ppl, how does that make the whole nation cruel and with no morals?
Just because a few serbs or albanians cannot make proof-sounded arguements, how does that make the whole nation stupid and/or ignorant?
How can you say that you wish that all serbs or albanians die (including women and children) and then make a comment about someone's morality?

Anonymous said...

Also the most ridiculous thing for Albanians to argue is that European countries like....they must realize that they are viewed the same way as Mexicans in US.
Likewise, it is ridiculous for the serbs, or any nationality for that matter, to argue that the Albanians didn't descend from Illyrians. Many scholars (who thats all they research all their life) have already established the link which is also accepted by the international scientific community based simply on evidence without any political bias.

Now who are yall (whether Serb or Albanian) to discuss the genealogy of a nation. Where is your doctorate degree or publications in respected journals to back up your credentials as a scholar?

Mir said...

Serbians primitive???

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/29/wvend29.xml

Kristian said...

I pray to Rugova's family and wish them well! I see they didn't want Tadic to come and he can't do anything about it and the international community respects his family and their wishes.

I'm saddened how one side claims so much pain and the other as well. So many mistakes on both sides that could all been avoided had ppl used their heads instead of their emotions. So many ppl talk about civility when in reading their comments they show none at all. Neither, really talks of peace but what has happend. Nor do they talk about what should be done and how we can encourage things to happen. No one talks about solutions but only of what has happened and how much pain they are in. Pain is a reality, no one is pardoned from it, but you sure can avoid it and prevent it from happening. Maybe ppl should do that.

No one here is an expert either, nor can they say their viewpoint is right, for every argument there is always a flaw! Discussion is good when it has a focus and a purpose. The purpose is to improve. Here I only see ppl with no purpose but trying to inflict pain. Stabs at each other! Peace doesn't seem to dawn some ppl at all.

All history is flawed. Its only a persons viewpoint, just as is this blog. If this was the only thing left on the planet and an alien race found it, I wonder what they would think of mankind based on my blog. Or anyone elses on just this particular topic. Some 80+ blogs, I personally think they would destroy it and think to themselves lets move on for such emotions without purpose should be left in the past. A new day brings an untold future to be explored. The rising sun should bring a smile. And maybe during that new day you'll take it to heart to make a new start and bring peace and harmony to all.

Albanian, Bosnian, Croat, Serb, etc we're all the same in so many ways, but greed makes us part ways. That greed is materialistic. And its land. We'll all be born and live and then die. No matter what the land will always be there. So try to live together as best you can, for life is short compared to the Balkan lands!

Peace to Ibrahim Rugova and may the Holy Ghost and Christ welcome you with open arms :)

illyrianboy said...

Mir

I read this article about the vendetta. I seriously doubt the accuracy of it. I think it is a forgery, considering the British tabloids' desire for scandals.

First, the name of the 64 year old lady could not possibly be Jehona. Jehona is a name common among young people but never among old people.

Second, as far as I know vendetta is not common among Bosnian Serbs. So, he is fantasizing when he says they will come to get her. And if vendetta is common among Bosnian Serbs then, wouldnt they want to kill the men, and not women. Furthermore the men are in the US where the Bosnian Serbs described in the story are, so why would they want to come to Kosovo to kill a woman of the family?

The author is playing on stereotypes and creating an article. Anyone can do that about any people.

So my friend be careful not to judge. Even though vendetta has reappeared in some cases, it is being exaggerated a lot by foreign media. And the reason for its reappearance, on the first place, is the lack of economic development, and the inefficiency of UNMIK in Kosovo.

Cheers

Anonymous said...

So according to your logic Mir if that article shows albanian primitivism then all the facts about serbian genocide,concentration camps,masive graves,infanticide,deportation, show how evolved you serbs are. So now for us albanians to become evolved like you serbs should first kill 10 000 serbs and deport the rest from kosova,like you did with us.

Anonymous said...

How can you claim that the Serb population is responsible for genocide? How can you imply that the Albanian population is primitive? Its the same as saying that all apples have worms in them, just becuase one of them happened to have one.
There are primitive people in every country in the world (US included). There are people that are comitting genocide as I write this piece, and these ppl are from the most developed countries in the world.
Enough with the back and forth arguments because it is getting ridicoulous to the point that one is even claiming that an article from a respected newssource (that doesnt really give a damn about Albania or Kosovo) is a forgery...and that is done on purpose. Dude! Thats ridiculous. You know paranoya is sign of the onset of schizophrenia

Granit said...

...would you please stop replying to these serbian ssluts already..they do not deserve or merit any of our time or effort...Kosova will be independent soon or later and once it is we will build a Troy like wall around the border so we never have to deal with your 'kind' anymore...notice the emphasis on the word 'kind' because you are surely not human....so go away and live miserably with the fact that you are serbian and stuck with it and that you will always be associated with genocide and slaughter of the innocent....

ivan said...

Xythi,

"A simple question needs a simple answer: Did you have the right/freedom to learn in your onw language? The University in Prishtina was closed to the Albanians - we could not study in Albanian. Our secondary schools were closed to Albanian classes - i.e. we had to learn in establishments such as private houses. Was this freedom denied to you?"

Do I need to remind you that you had all of this before Milosevic came to power. Even an Albanian was a president of the whole Yugoslavia. You had your Academy of Science which was in Albanian. Then why did Milosevic come to power, why did he take all this away from you? Do you remember his famous speech to the Serbs in Kosovo & Metohija “Vas niko ne sme da tuce!”? What about the parolls the Albanians were shouting “Tito Partija, Kosovo Republika”. The Serbian government tried its best to push the ethnich tensions under the carpet, that it even declared the poor raped Serbian farmer, which is was also the father of 4 children, as a homosexual. Only to protect you. And isntead of beiing grateful you co patriots are now making fun of him and calling him a gay, when even though the British doctors oficially stated that it would be impossible for a person to do something like this to himself.

"The secondary schools and Prishtina university was open to serb students only and in serbian only. A lo tof Kosovar Albanians had to leave Kosova in search for a better future elsewhere in Europe - because our parents did not have any jobs. They were dismissed for not wanting to sign to be a part of milosevics regime. Read a bit more and stop beliving what your media tought you even though it was under Milosevic's regime. Get your facts right. I know that you were oppressed as well but not to the extent that the Albanians were."

People didn’t get dismissed from their work. They decided to leave voulanterily, only because they refused to sign a declaration that they are faithful to the Republic of Serbia. Hey I live in Belgium and I work for an American company, and do you know how many if such declarations I need to sign. And ofcourse if I don’t sign them I will be unemployed. No I don’t like american politics and policy, but when I work I need to comply with their laws even though I don’t live in that country. But I don’t find it unfair its their right, and I have a choice either to obey and get paid, or not to obey and to be on the street. Go to Germany all the schools are in German even though in some cities there is an obvious majority of turksih people.


"And one more thing - you have very selective reading. At no point did I say that I approve of the killings. My uncle was killed and another one was imprisoned together with his two sons in Serbia where he was killed. And for that reason, according to you, I should have done the same instead of talking here to you. But that is not the case. All I said was that the war has scarred some people who go on and retaliate. I also told you that I work with a serbian guy and we go out for coffee and lunch. Should I have killed him by now?"

Good I am glad that you are against blood revenge, but don’t then use this as an excuse for Serbian killings in Kosovo& Metohija.



"And nobody is talking about bood feud. Who said anything about that? It's a spur of the moment... and those that killed serbs have been arrested and they were all individuals. Maybe they don't know better because they didn't have a chance to be educated because the serbs closed the schools? Could that be a possibility? Use some 'deductive resoning' to why those things happened."

First of it’s a lie that the guilty one were arrested. Majority of them were not even found, or you didn’t want to find them.
Secondly you had the chance to go to schools, but it was you who boycoted everything that is serbian. Its like me saying I don’t want to send my kids to Belgium schools only because they are belgian and I want my kids to go to only Serbian schools. If you want that you have Albania where everything is purely in albanian.

As for deductive reasoning, go one step back, and ask yourself why were your copatriots shouting Kosovo Republika while you had all the rigths you wanted in Yugoslavia.


"And I am not saying that all serbs are bad, am I? So why are you branding all Albanians to be terrorists?
Is that how you are tought at school?
What is wrong with you? Why do you hate Albanians so much?"

I don’t hate you and I don’t think all of the Albanians are terrorists. But what I hate is the narrow minded people in general, that live in their own homogenous societies and feed themselves on the hate against Serbian people. Yes we are guilty for a lot of crimes, but you are no angles either. For if you were you would have been an independent country long time ago and the Serbian government would not have any arguments. And if you read my posts, or Cvijus posts, or the posts from Mir, you will no where see us laughing at any of the albanian victims. But every time I bring up the Serbian victims you call me a liar or some of your copatriots get threatened so much that they ask you guys to boycot our posts. Why does the truth hurt, I ask them.



"And you didn't answer my question - do you know where Metohija is? Or you use that because it was Milosevic who referred to it as 'Kosovo and Metohija'? Is that how YOU apologise? Is that how YOU want to go forward to joing Europe?"

Metohija is a large basin in western Kosovo. But I will give you a more specific definition so you learn:

The meaning of Metohija is land owned and governed by Monasteries and the term has Greek origin.

Metohija is 23 kilometers wide at the widest point and about 60 kilometers long, at average altitude of 550 meters above the sea level. Its principal river is White Drim. It is bordered by mountain ranges Mokra Gora from north and northwest, Prokletije from west, Pastrik from southwest, Sara mountain from south and southeast, and Drenica, which distinguishes it from the other part of Kosovo and Metohija in the east and northeast. The largest cities in Metohija are Istok, Pec, Decani, Djakovica, Orahovac, and Prizren.

Now I aks you, why do you keep Metohija out? Because you don’t want to give the rights to the Serbian Orthodox Church?

"Do you deny that you do not want to lose Kosovo because of your dream for Greater Serbia? Or Montenegro for that reason? Does your most famous patriotic song go like this: 'Who is lying that Serbia is small, it isn't - it has grown thrice, and who lies that serbia doesn't have [access to] sea - it has montenegro?' Isn't that your dream?"

For your information here are the lyrics of the Song:
Ko to kaže Srbija je mala
Ko to kaže, ko to laže, Srbija je mala, (2x)
Nije mala, nije mala, triput ratovala. (2x)

Dvanaeste, dvanaeste, Turke isterala, (2x)
Trinaeste, trinaeste, pred Bugare stala. (2x)

Četrnaeste, četrnaeste, Švaba udario, (2x)
Osamnaeste, osamnaeste, Srbin pobedio. (2x)

Ko to kaže, ko to laže, Srbija je mala, (2x)
Nije mala, nije mala, uvek ratovala,
I opet će, i opet će, robovati neće.
I don’t see the song mentioning Montengro or the access to the sea. I guess the Albanian version has this.
As for Greater Serbia, you don’t see us going to Albania and claiming that the land is ours. While you Albanians do claim that Kosovo is your and then you make up stories that we colonized Kosovo& Metohija when it is obvious that Albanians have become a majority in Kosovo & Metohija only in the 20th century. This is how the initial situation looked like:

1455: Turkish cadastral tax census (defter)[1] of the Brankovic dynasty lands (covering 80% of present-day Kosovo) recorded 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). By ethnicity:
12,985 Serbian dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns
75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages
46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages
17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages
5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vučitrn
1 Jewish dwelling in Vučitrn
1 Croat dwelling


"We did not participate in your elections because our parliament (asembly) was dismissed - who would I had to vote for? Draskovic or Seselj?"

What about Djindjic, I don’t remember him making any announcements against the Albanian people. What about Bosniak, Rasim Lajlic? Its your politicians fault for boycoting everything that is Serbian. If they joined hand in hand with the politicians who wanted to overthrow Milosevic (Djindjic tried in 1996) then none of the killings would have happened, and Serbians and Albaninans would be the biggest allies going together to the EU.

Granit said:

“...would you please stop replying to these serbian ssluts already..they do not deserve or merit any of our time or effort...Kosova will be independent soon or later and once it is we will build a Troy like wall around the border so we never have to deal with your 'kind' anymore...notice the emphasis on the word 'kind' because you are surely not human....”

Xythi, and how do you expect your people to advance into EU with such attitudes? So much for Kristians speech about our peoples future

ivan said...

26.1.2006 11:15 KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, (Tanjug) - Serbian-language classes in all elementary and secondary schools, as well as pre-school facilities in Kosovo-Metohija was suspended on Wedensady due to lack of power supply, Chief of the Serbian Education Ministry Department for Northern Kosovo, Predrag Stojcetovic, has said.

Anonymous said...

Ivan,

I congratulate you on your research abilities re Metohija. I asked you to tell me from the top of your head - not to go and research. But well done. Although it is not correct, but anyway.

Re: Your patriotic song - I know what it was like - but I also remember how serbs in Kosova sang it when they came to celebrate the lost war 600 years ago in Gazimestan for I was in Prishtina at that time. And they broadcasted it in every station in the 90's.

Re: Djindjic, Ljajic - Are we not supposed to have a free vote? Are you suggesting that we cannot be represented by whom we choose? Isn't that an infringment of civil liberties?
Just a slight reminder of what you wanted to do all along:
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Background18.htm

Re: Schools in Albanian language - that was our right with the then YU constitution, which incidentaly was changed in 1960's to allow this. And according to the YU constitution of 1974, all republics and provinces had the right, with a public vote in the republic/proivince in question, to declare it indipendent from YU if they so wanted. We wanted it - serbia did not allow it and in turn dissolved, by force, the Kosova parliament (assemby).

Re: Employees dismissed (or as you called voluntarily left) - This happened because our parents knew that even more of Kosova's wealth will go directly to Serbia if they signed - e.g. Elektro Ekonomia e Kosoves (Electro Privreda Kosova) would by default become Electro Privreda Srbije - without any compensation or shares being given to the employees - basically was annexed - any many other companies. And please don't give me that excuse that Serbia built it - just for once be realistic.

Re: Turkish cadastral tax census - according to these numbers - only about 40K ppl lived in majority of Kosova 500+ years ago. I find this a bit rediculous. Don't you?

Re: Working for an american company in Belgium. I am sorry, for not understanding what sort of declarations do you need to sign? Is there any of them to do with Belgian wealth being signed to US?!? - outside your company that is. What sort of a comparison is that?

Re: Turks in germany + schools: Go to London - there are schools that are in hindu only - and parents can choose where to send their kids.

Serbian killings in Kosovo: Use what against it?

Have you been to Kosova? How can you, from Belgium know that the people were not arrested? Do you follow news from Kosova (not serbian agencies) every day? What sort of a vision do you have of Kosova?

Re: Hating Serbs: ditto.
You said that if we were angels (Albanians) we would have our indipendence long time ago. In other words, you would have granted us our wish long time ago? And because no-one in the world is an angel, no one is allowed to have their own state?

Re: Big Serbia: Isn't that why you fought in Croatia/Bosnia/Kosova? You would attack Albanian if it wasn't for Kosova being on the way.

No-one is denying any crimes - and those that have committed crimes during the war are behind bars in the Hague - the others were released. Those that still kill serbs in Kosova go to prison every day. Read a bit more of unbiased news.

Re: Elctricity to serbian enclaves: You live in Belgium don't you? Would you have any electricity if you did not pay for 7 years? In fact let me reformulate the question - would you have electricity if you didn't pay for more than 3 months? Serbs in northern Mitrovica and Kosova don't pay any electricity, water nor telephone - and where there is no electricity in the rest of Kosova they get theirs from Serbia. And they expect to have electricity 24/7 where the rest of Kosova don't.
As a matter of fact, Serbia has on several occasions stopped Kosova importing electricity from Bulgaria and Romania. How can we supply electricity to any place in Kosova for there have been years of neglect of the Kosova's electrical company? Only last week there was a landslide in Kosova and blocked the road from Skopje, and the fuel tanks (trucks that is - just in case you want to twist the use of word tanks) were not allowed to cross through Serbia into Kosova.

Would you mind if I advice you on something re journalism and research?

Every journalist and researcher checks its story/research from at least 2 sources. And then they come to their conclusion (at least the researchers are supposed to). You do the same and come up with your own conclusions and use a bit of deductive reasoning.
I do not believe everything that i read in the papers/intenet for it it the belief of the author and may/may not be true. I certainly read a lot from UK/US agncies, kosova papers/tv and B92.
Do you read any news from Kosova agencies? Or are you limitted to news from serbia alone?

Btw, can you tell me the name of the company that you work for? I want to apply for a job since it seems that they do not mind you spending a lot of time writing (I wanted to include 'nonsence' here, but then I decided not to, simply because I cannot spend a lot of time writing because replies to what you might come up with next and my bosses certainly do not like me spending a lot of time on the internet) and nobody seems to mind.

Xythi

Cvijus011 said...

xythi,

it seems you don't understand what a state sovereignity means:

"Re: Your patriotic song..."

What forbids a nation to sing it patriotic songs, especially on a national holiday such as Vidovdan? You must remember that Kosovo-Metohija was a autonomous province of Serbia. It is the right of the Serbian nation to have its own national pride and to sing its patriotic songs, as it is yours to celebrate your own national holidays and song your songs.

"Re: Djindjic, Ljajic - Are we not supposed to have a free vote?"

read ivan's post more carefully. He didn't say you should vote for them, but that your politicians should have helped them (something as a coalition). That worked for the Hungarians and Bosniaks, why wouldn't it work for albanians? Through voting for YOUR politicians that were in a COALITION with DJINDJIC, etc. wouldn't bring that much violence. But boycoting the election allowed Milosevic to steal your votes. That's passive assistance my friend.

"http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Background18.htm"

Did you know that Vaso Cubrilovic was a Stalinist? Why don't you read what Enver Hoxha (Stalinist) did to the Serbian national minority in Skadar/Shkoder?

"Re: Schools in Albanian language - that was our right with the then YU constitution, which incidentaly was changed in 1960's to allow this. And according to the YU constitution of 1974, all republics and provinces had the right, with a public vote in the republic/proivince in question, to declare it indipendent from YU if they so wanted. We wanted it - serbia did not allow it and in turn dissolved, by force, the Kosova parliament (assemby)."

Under the Constitution of '60 my friend was written that schools with an specific ethnic majority should be billingual Serbian-Albanian.
The Constitution of '74 suggested that when a republic wants to separate it needs a 2/3 majority (which was not the case with Bosnia and Croatia) in a referendum. Autonomous provinces had only the right to change republics (e.g. from Serbia to Macedonia), not independence. it alos mentions that the Republic of Sebia had the right to suspend the autonomy out of reasons of public safety and order. And as I remember there was quite a chaos in '89 caused by albanian policemen.

"This happened because our parents knew that even more of Kosova's wealth will go directly to Serbia if they signed - e.g. Elektro Ekonomia e Kosoves (Electro Privreda Kosova) would by default become Electro Privreda Srbije"

Does it ring a bell that Kosovo was an province of Serbia. Elektro Privreda Kosova was a daughter company of Elektro Privreda Srbije, und EPK had a lot of depth to EPS.

"Re: Turkish cadastral tax census - according to these numbers - only about 40K ppl lived in majority of Kosova 500+ years ago. I find this a bit rediculous. Don't you?"

DO you find it ridiculous that since 1389 there were constant wars in Kosovo and therefore people were either dying or immigrating? re-read history my friend if you want to put some historical arguments.

"Re: Turks in germany + schools: Go to London - there are schools that are in hindu only - and parents can choose where to send their kids."

In Germany you can also learn only Turkish, but in a private school. In public schools only German is taught.

"Have you been to Kosova? How can you, from Belgium know that the people were not arrested? Do you follow news from Kosova (not serbian agencies) every day? What sort of a vision do you have of Kosova?"

I have been in Kosovo in a representation of the ministry for human and minority rights and I have seen how the criminals are arrested, especially those that commited crimes to Serbs. Nothing. Why dod you check this website to see if it is published whether a criminal has been arrested. Bare in ming that this is an albanian website.

"Serbs in northern Mitrovica and Kosova don't pay any electricity, water nor telephone"

Do you really know that?

"Only last week there was a landslide in Kosova and blocked the road from Skopje, and the fuel tanks (trucks that is - just in case you want to twist the use of word tanks) were not allowed to cross through Serbia into Kosova."

there are special declared routes for every truck where the route is described (through which countries it goes). here it seems that these trucks didn't have the necessary papers to cross Serbia.

"Every journalist and researcher checks its story/research from at least 2 sources"

But you should make sure that they come from opposing sides. If you use sources such as Noel Malcolm and Richard Holbruck who stand on the same side, well than that's subjective journalism.

Anonymous said...

cvijus,

I perfectly understand what state sovereignity means. You don't seem to understand what freewill means.

Why should we have helped him? That is you telling someone what to do, instead of voting themselves for whom they wanted. Has anyone told you how to vote? Would you be pissed off for someone to tell you who to vote for?

How do we know that he would not in turn behaved exactly like milosevic? What guarrantees were given? Have you, as a nation, or any of your leaders, who even today continue to undermine every political move and blame everything on killings, terrorism, no electricity, etc, etc, earn the respect of any Albanian to vote for them?

You have allowed milosevic to steal the votes, by not recognising the freewill of Albanians who were not represented in the government by dismissing the parliament. Don't go blaming Albanians for your own mistakes. It is like saying Albanians are to blame because Bush is in power. Probably that is, according to you cvijus, also passive assistance. He he, you are really something... you really made me laugh...

Vaso Cubrilovic - Stalinist. So what? Does that justify that he should submit a memorandum on 'The Expulsion of the Albanians'? Hasn't that allways been your dream?

I tell you something, I take my hat off to Enver Hoxha for not accepting Albania to be the 7th republic of YU. What he did in terms of regime, I am not proud, but at least he prevented you guys to go to and occupy Albania as well.

Constitution: You said it yourselve: The provinces have the right to change to Republics (which we wanted and were met by force in 1981 - or you have forgotten that) and therefore de facto become independent if the majority (which is 2/3) by public vote.

As far as I remember and I remember vividly, in the demonstrations of '89, where I also participated, the demonstrations were peacefull, all we were shouting was the constitution not to be changed. What happened? We were beaten by serb police from Serbia who came in busloads. And I know this since I live opposite the bus station in Prishtina. Unless you were there, shush!!!

Electro Privreda Kosova, was never part of Electroprivreda Srbije, and as a matter of fact, EPK was the biggest regional (read regional, not world or which way you wish to twist it) producer and exported electricity to Serbia (and some part of former YU), Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, etc. How do I know this? I'll tell you - my uncle used to work on the department of electo distribution before he was forcibly removed from his post and has worked after the war again. And I can probably find sources on the internet if you feel like you want to bother me. So again, shush!

'DO you find it ridiculous that since 1389 there were constant wars in Kosovo.'

For once I agree with you. Before your arrival in the Balkans from the urals the region was peacefull. Now, being so intelligent, tell me who is the warmonger?

Schools in turkish: Germany maybe, in UK, schools in hindu, are statefunded.

Cvijus, Plese post the link for web site in Albanian... you forgot to post it.

And yes I know that they do not pay. It is a public knowledge in Kosova and there are countless articles in different papers and reports that serbs in northern Kosova and for that matter in other enclaves do not pay. As far as northern Mitrovica is concerned, I know, my wife's family lives in Mitrovica, and they have some boshnjak friends who live in the northern part (in their enclaves I must add because they fear the serbs) who said that they do not pay any electricity, phone water or taxes. In fact, they even receive wages from Serbia.

As well as being in Kosova with human and minority rights, you are a trucker as well. I think, that in times of crisis, in order to prove yourselves worthy of being trusted, you shold have allowed the trucks to pass through Serbia in order for us to provide energy to Kosovar homes, be that Albanian or Serb. And as for papers, Serbia does not accept Kosova plates - why? Simply they want to make it harder for Albanians to move around. And don't give me any of the BS saying that we are part of Serbia, and therefore we should have Serbian plates, bllah blah blah... Police confiscated our plates when we were expulsed in 1999... Plus you don't know if they had any papers or not, you assume that...

Malcolm and Richard Holbruck - Now who mentioned them? Plus Holbruck is your milosevics friend.

Xythi

Anonymous said...

Arguing with Mr Ivan and Other serbs is like arguing with imbeciles. To be able to communicate with them you must stoop to theri level and they will beat you with years of experience as imbeciles. Fact 1: The whole fucking planet knows that the serb army will never set foot in Kosova. Fact 2: Albanians are a majority in Kosova. Fact 3: Slowly but surely the serbs in Kosova will cease to exist. Fact 4: serb legacy for centuries to come will be thousands of bosniac and albanian women raped, Srebrenica and concentration just like the nazis.
Strategically, serbs have the croats in the north, bosniacs in the west, hungarians in the east us albanians in the south, which means you are FUCKED. No wonder you bitch so much about Kosova.Your time is UP!

Anonymous said...

xythi
even though we are still mourning the president and the serbs try to provoke in their usual ways, i laugh from the bottom of my heart when i read your posts...
your really have nerves to deal with these multiple disordered people( expect now the definition of MDP from ivan...we will surf on internet and try to tell us that he is educated)
pershendetje nga Iliri

ivan said...

Xynth

RE: “I perfectly understand what state sovereignity means. You don't seem to understand what freewill means.”
Then please give the Serbs in Kosovo to have free will. They want to be part of Serbia not some new Albanian country.

RE: “Why should we have helped him(Djindjic)? That is you telling someone what to do, instead of voting themselves for whom they wanted. Has anyone told you how to vote? Would you be pissed off for someone to tell you who to vote for?”
That is your political game. If you helped Djindjic, there would be no tensions between Serbian and albanian people. But with tensions you had the means of getting closer to your Great albania. Let me just ask you, why didn’t you fight for independence during Tito times? Or why didn’t your UCK terrorists start terrorizing during the war in Bosnia? It was the perfect moment for you when you relaized Serbia lost the war in Bosnia, when Milosevic was declared a dictator by the west, and then you started planting masacres (like Racak) and started playing the game of hit and run.


RE: “You have allowed milosevic to steal the votes, by not recognising the freewill of Albanians who were not represented in the government by dismissing the parliament. Don't go blaming Albanians for your own mistakes. It is like saying Albanians are to blame because Bush is in power. Probably that is, according to you cvijus, also passive assistance. He he, you are really something... you really made me laugh...”
You make me laugh. Pathetic. Your politicians could have represented your people in the Serbian Parliament. The reason why your parliament got dismissed is because you declared independence which was against the Serbian constitution. IF your politicians decided to participate in the Serbian parliament (where they belong, because Kosovo is STILL part of Serbia)),Milosevic would have been overthrown long time ago. But then again that would not work in the direction for the creation of Great albania.

RE: “Vaso Cubrilovic - Stalinist. So what? Does that justify that he should submit a memorandum on 'The Expulsion of the Albanians'? Hasn't that allways been your dream?

I tell you something, I take my hat off to Enver Hoxha for not accepting Albania to be the 7th republic of YU. What he did in terms of regime, I am not proud, but at least he prevented you guys to go to and occupy Albania as well.”
But you forgot to envy Enver Hoxha for killing so many Serbs, that’s your biggest dream, to create Serb free Balkans. But I tell you something my friend, you tried this in the Balkan wars, and you failed, then you tried in the second world war, you failed, and now you managed to clean Kosovo from Serbs. But not thanks to your mighty warriors, because we all saw what happened to UCK when they fought against the Serbian military, but with the help of drug and prostitution money which lobbied the american politicians.

RE: “Constitution: You said it yourselve: The provinces have the right to change to Republics (which we wanted and were met by force in 1981 - or you have forgotten that) and therefore de facto become independent if the majority (which is 2/3) by public vote.”
First learn to read, and then comment. Provinces had the right to change republics, but not to become a republic itself, or to become independent. Try reading again , I am sure you will understand.

RE: “As far as I remember and I remember vividly, in the demonstrations of '89, where I also participated, the demonstrations were peacefull, all we were shouting was the constitution not to be changed. What happened? We were beaten by serb police from Serbia who came in busloads. And I know this since I live opposite the bus station in Prishtina. Unless you were there, shush!!!”
Hey I love this shush thing. Did your mother tell you this when ever you were a naughty boy?
There are rules of how demonstrations should be held. You first need to get the permission to hold the demonstration peacefully ofcourse, and then you can hold it. Should you fail to do this, police has the right to use force to clear the demonstrations. And any country has the right, moral and legal one, to allocate its police according to the needs. So what if the buses came full of police from Serbia? If the government felt that the local police in KiM needed backup, they have the right to send this backup. Its like in Preshevo and Bujanovac now you Albanians are complaining that the Serbian military forces are present in that region in a greater number. Serbia as its own country has the right to allocate its forces according to its will. And in those areas it is known that terrorist groups are active, and that’s why a greater number of soldiers need to be present. Shush!! ( shit you are funny)

RE: “Electro Privreda Kosova, was never part of Electroprivreda Srbije, and as a matter of fact, EPK was the biggest regional (read regional, not world or which way you wish to twist it) producer and exported electricity to Serbia (and some part of former YU), Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, etc. How do I know this? I'll tell you - my uncle used to work on the department of electo distribution before he was forcibly removed from his post and has worked after the war again. And I can probably find sources on the internet if you feel like you want to bother me. So again, shush!”
You are so stupid! Sorry to say this, but its obvious you have no idea about economics and different company structures. During the Communist/Socialist Era there were no private companies, all of them were state owned. So everything came from one pocket. Whether it was Elektroprivreda Srbija or elektroprivreda Kosovo, its all being supported by the Serbian tax payers.

RE: “As well as being in Kosova with human and minority rights, you are a trucker as well. I think, that in times of crisis, in order to prove yourselves worthy of being trusted, you shold have allowed the trucks to pass through Serbia in order for us to provide energy to Kosovar homes, be that Albanian or Serb. And as for papers, Serbia does not accept Kosova plates - why? Simply they want to make it harder for Albanians to move around. And don't give me any of the BS saying that we are part of Serbia, and therefore we should have Serbian plates, bllah blah blah...”
You answered your own question. Kosovo is officially part of Serbia, and if you don’t have Serbian plates you can not drive through Serbia. There need to be special agreements between countries of what insurance covers what damage. Just by having Kosovo plates is not enough to drive through Serbia. Who covers the insurance for Kosovo cars. What happens if you guys cause an accident, what insurance will pay for that? The Kosovo insurance? That’s a joke of the day!
And please spare me the BS of how you Kosovo albanians are democratic and full of human right people. Read the below comment
At 10:44 AM, Anonymous said...
Arguing with Mr Ivan and Other serbs is like arguing with imbeciles. To be able to communicate with them you must stoop to theri level and they will beat you with years of experience as imbeciles. Fact 1: The whole fucking planet knows that the serb army will never set foot in Kosova. Fact 2: Albanians are a majority in Kosova. Fact 3: Slowly but surely the serbs in Kosova will cease to exist.
How will Serbs slowly and surely cease to exist. Is this your new strategy, kill a few here, kill a few there, freeze one village to death, burns couple of churches there, couple of churhces here and so on. And the best thing about this plot is that you can blame it all on criminality in Kosovo, which again for some reason you will blame it on Serbs.
I do like the fact Xynthi that you try to send a message that your people are mature to have their own country and that it will be democratic and that it will respect all ethnic groups human rights. But the fact stands that majority of your people are not at that stage, unfortinately inclouding your leading politicians. After all why are they so afraid to talk to Serbian DEMOCRATIC politicians and why didn’t you allow President Tadic to attend Rugovas funeral?

As for all the other Albos, choose are you decendents of Illrians or Dardanians?

Anonymous said...

Mr anonymous serb bitch I thought I made it clear to you but who am i kidding you morons are so brainwashed even if you say its daylight at 1pm people shouldn't believe you . So here are all those fact once again:
Fact 1: The whole fucking planet knows that the serb army will never set foot in Kosova. Fact 2: Albanians are a majority in Kosova. Fact 3: Slowly but surely the serbs in Kosova will cease to exist. Fact 4: serb legacy for centuries to come will be thousands of bosniac and albanian women raped, Srebrenica and concentration camp just like the nazis.
Strategically, serbs have the croats in the north, bosniacs in the west, hungarians in the east us albanians in the south, which means you are FUCKED. No wonder you bitch so much about Kosova.Your time is UP!

ivan said...

"Btw, can you tell me the name of the company that you work for? I want to apply for a job since it seems that they do not mind you spending a lot of time writing (I wanted to include 'nonsence' here, but then I decided not to, simply because I cannot spend a lot of time writing because replies to what you might come up with next and my bosses certainly do not like me spending a lot of time on the internet) and nobody seems to mind."

Sorry to dissapoint you, but all of the posts that i write are either during my lunch break or from my home.
I know its the Albanian dream not to do anything and also get money for it. But keep on searching, maybe will get lucky .

ivan said...

26.1.2006 19:13 BELGRADE, (Tanjug) - President of the Coordinating Center for Kosovo-Metohija Sanda Raskovic Ivic requested Thursday from UNMIK chief Soren Jessen-Petersen to prevent the planned building of a Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) memorial complex on the site of the destroyed Holy Trinity church in Djakovica.

Is this how you respect human rights? Or how you respect different religions by building memorial complex of the people who burned more than 120 churches on the property of the Church. GOD SAVE EUROPE!!!!!

Maybe you should build a memorial to Hitler in a Sinagoge.

Vancouver said...

Well Ivan and Cvijan ;

Is this you're so called civilisation.
Do you think by promoting nationalism,chauvinism,heatred and by ofending the history and values of one society is your argument to bring serbia closer to the free World (EU, Nato).
Well I'm afraid you're compleately on a wrong coorse.
That's what Milosevic did.
You're trying to prove something that is not only sensless but ridiculous as well, because our history and origin is accepted by the free world, so we do not have to convince you nothing.
Using yur language of hate and some informition which is unrelevant doesn't make you any smarter.
Sometimes i've got the impression that you've gained your knowledge in the streets, so do not try to sell it to te free world.
By trying to ofend our origine you're just proving your tirany and barbarism which you've braught with in the VI century.
Above all the fact you're trying to prove are very useless to convince the world that what was then called Yugoslavia to put again under your control and dominitaion,where Kosova was part of it.
Try to use your language and knowledge for better purposes,such as calling for peace respecting the heritage an the culture of your neighbours then you'll make more chance to convince all of us that destruction and hate isn't the only thing know.
What albanians concerns,we have proven our civilisation to the civilised world.
Patience,prudence,and our courage under a 100 year cruel occupation have shown the world our dignity and wisdom.
We said Yes to demokracy, we been defending our selves with the power of tolerance and we've said yes to the most respected and prominent pacifist our president "Ibrahim Rugova" 4 times.
We had our hardliners as well which also had their reasoble worries, but we followed the path of our visioner " Rugova"
We've been patient for more then a dekade by ingoring your relenting repression with peacefull means, but even if we wer to continue for a 1000 years the same course , it would'nt change anything on your hegemonist policy.
Obviously you've forgotten who started the Yugoslav wars, who made the fabrics of masacres and rape, who made the contetration camps.
Is this the history and legacy you are proud with ?
What do you think should we have to continue on our peacefull resistance for another 1000 of years.
Of course everything has an end, so does the patience as well.
Obviously the attrocities that you've caused means that this proces should have still continued.
And I see you're trying to compare our resistance by bringing up some ridiculous and unrelevant figures.
Eventhogh I'm no way supporting violence, what you've expected by us god damned, did you expect to throw you with gillyflowers or even say thank you.
Did you expect from us to see our parents,brothers,sisters and friends being slaughterd our wifes,daughters and sisters being raped just infront of our eyes to pretend as nothing have happend or even say thank you.Don't forget a descent man (people)distance himself from atrocities, didn't the Serbs have the time to do that, how long would have taken them to realize what their leaders were doing to their albanian neighbours was unfair and crule.
Do not try to make us wiser with your dirty propaganda cause the world knows who's the agressor.
Just to remind you wern't the Kosovan serbs those who supported the millosevic regime, weren't the Kosovan serbs those who before-non worked as financial inspectors robbing albanian shops and in the afternoon serving at the paramilitary forces and as a special police officers, wern't the serbs those who poisoned thousands of albanian pupils and students.....etc. not to mention million of other cases and facts which even a thousands of books wouldn't be sufficient to describe our pain caused by serbs.
Couldn't they(serbs) say no in a good sake, couldn't they ?
So i say again that i no way support the violence, but every action has its reaction, there's someone in this dicussion who said "Quid pro Qou" or ther's a proverb "the harvest is what you plant. It's them who are causing the troubles and not us, they started the violence on march 2ooo by killing 29 albanian neighbours,
it is them who who started the riots of again march 2004 after killing three (3) albanian children, it is them who refuse to integrate to a kosovan society, it is them who left the Kosova assembly, etc. etc.. obviosly peace and integration is not your thing.
And once again it's not only albanians the only ones who suffered from your civilisation, but are you're sllav brothers as well,particularly bosnians who paid a big price with nearly 300,000 victims.
Is this your so called civilistaion ?
Well I tell you our so called primitivism have been appreciated and rewarded by the free world.
Of course we also might have made faults we realize that there's no perfect society, you're the only ones whpo pretend that, but there's no way to compare a very few cases with your genocide.
Be carefull because you're sacring the world with the language you speak, you just giving them one more fact that you are only a destructive element of every civilisation.
If it wasn't your predominant policy the union of former Yugoslavia wouldn't bankrrupt(brake).
Above all if you were so good and civilised why no a single country of the former union (YU) wants you,even your brothers "Monte Negro" want to get rid of you.
Only by showing a tolerance, respect and constructive police you can be accepted from your neighbouring countries and then the EU.
Your destructive language has just shown what the serbs would bring wit them into the union.
So try to be more constructive and call for peace, calm down and try to use a proper reasoning and be a tolerant, only than you can prove that you belong to the European family.
In my previous post i've said there is no contry without conflict and hsitory , but if we have to use the History like you preach then you're making the EU afraid from you,then we will have to bring back the most crules regimes, and empires....
Don't forget that it's not the history who will bring you to the free world, but your values, so try to work on it and then you maybe make a better chance.
Then you mention economy,how you dare to speak about economy when you're living from the world's financial aid.
And what your priviliges in Europe concerns ,once again i'll have to tell you that you can make a collective guilt because then noone is good in this world.You're living in Belgium am i right he ?
You must know than who is Marc Dutroux, you heart also about Michel Fourniret , cause i think that's not necessary to tell their story right here , but just a comparisson, just because they did what they've done I never say that Belgian society is worthless.
Just because I think you're very bad , i don't think that every serb is bad , etc.. etc...
I've been to Belgium and I've met many albanians but all of them were well respected.
Of course , I say again there are criminals among the Albanians , but just go and ask some more information in Antwerp in particular, who are the most dangerous bands ther, then you'll get the answer.
And it's not the Albanians that Belgium and other EU countries are having problems with, but some north african residents who are finding it difficult to adjust to the West-European normes,as well as with some immigrants of the new member states that joined the EU immigrants which make a pretty unfair competition in the labour market.
Go there and ask Filip Dewinter if he sees a difference between kosovans,serbs,polish or else...
and about the serbian named streets in germany and .. if you live in Belgium go to Brussels,in the Scarbeek area(zone) than you'll see the statue of our grateful hero SKENDERBEU standing there infront of Josaphat Park.
So please go and refresh your mind and your poisoned heart and then come here with another vision so we can discuss the future, bacause as you see, you're proud with history and I am proud with mine and comparing it brings us nowhere.
So please try to sell your wisdom somewhere else.

PS i'm aware that you'll come again with even worst statement and comment so don't forget that I'm suprised if you do so, and the reason that i gave again a comment on this topic is because of Ilir(anonymous) who tryed to show the other side of the book.
so this refers to ilir as well, do not spend the energy with people like this,because if you've apologised them not 1000 times but even 1000 of years that wouldn't make them think different,and you should have realised that since the very beginig, so please do not respond to their comments because you're feeding their nationalism and brings you in the same boat.
So simply they are born to destruct. We have more important things to do and discuss.

Cvijus011 said...

anonymous,

well it seems that we have another nazi along bith Skenderbeg Siptari. Wow, this is even more fun to see how albanians get frustrated from a couple of Serbs. Hahaha, your panic attacks are funny. It's like watching a good comedy in the cinema.

"Mr anonymous serb bitch"

When you want to be adressed by someone with mr. this otherone should also know your name. So get a name, don't hide as pussy since you behave here as a tough guy. Gather your balls my friend and find yourself a name and fight as man (given the UCK legacy that will be impossible).

"Slowly but surely the serbs in Kosova will cease to exist."

If you continue killing them it will surely be so. Who will be the racist then?

"serb legacy for centuries to come will be thousands of bosniac and albanian women raped, Srebrenica and concentration camp just like the nazis."

Oh yeah? What about you guys? 3000 dead Serbs, 220.000 kicked out of their homes? Doesn't it sound as an ethnic cleansing?
What about for the 5.000 dead Serbs from Bratunac and the 300.000 Serbian refugees?
What about 3.000 dead Serbs from Krajina and 250.000 refugees?
Does it sound as an ethnic cleansing to your retarded brain or is it acceptable for you nazi logic for serbs to get murdered? Think again if you're able to.

"Strategically, serbs have the..."

Under that logic you'Re also in deep shit. Serbs and Montenegrins from the north, Macedonians from the east and Greeks from the south. Serbs are alos backed up from Bulgarians and Romanians (suprisingly EU candidates). Even though EU supports your independence, they do it so just to get rid of albanian immigrants, whether you like it or not.

Have a nice day in you rathole anonymous

Cvijus011 said...

xythi,

ivan already answered you what I wanted to answer but I also want nother thing to say:

"For once I agree with you. Before your arrival in the Balkans from the urals the region was peacefull. Now, being so intelligent, tell me who is the warmonger?"

have you ever had history classes? Before the arrival of the Slavs, whole eastern Europe was the ground of barbarian invasions of Goths, Huns, Avars and Vandals. After their campaigns, Kosovo-Metohija was left completely deserted what also Constantine Porphyrogenitous mentiones in his "De administratio imperii". He mentiones that Serbs inhabited Kosovo with the permission of emperor Heraclius (he mentions no barbarian invasion of Serbs) in order to recupurate the economy of that province. Where were the albanians then?

ivan said...

Vancouver,

My response to you is the following comment made by your co patriots so called cvilized albanian:

Arguing with Mr Ivan and Other serbs is like arguing with imbeciles. To be able to communicate with them you must stoop to theri level and they will beat you with years of experience as imbeciles. Fact 1: The whole fucking planet knows that the serb army will never set foot in Kosova. Fact 2: Albanians are a majority in Kosova. Fact 3: Slowly but surely the serbs in Kosova will cease to exist.

How should i understand point 3? Is this how civilized people talk? IF so I guess you wouldnt be living in Vancouver then.

ivan said...

Let me help our confused albanian friends,

The answer lies in the Byzantine chroniclers which date the arrival of Albanians (Alvanoi) from Southern Italy at 1043 in central Albania (Durrës) as mercenaries in the army of Maniakis.

ivan said...

'KOHA DITORE':DACI ZABRANIO SUSRET PREGOVARAČIMA SA SOLANOM
27.1.2006 12:35 PRIŠTINA (Tanjug) - Prištinski list na albanskom jeziku ''Koha ditore'' objavio je danas da je v.d. predsednika Kosova Nedžat Daci prekinuo jučerašnji susret pregovaračkog tima Prištine s visokim predstavnikom EU za spoljnju politiku i bezbednost Havijerom Solanom.
Daci ignoriše inicijativu za izbor kosovskog predsednika, navodi list, precizirajuci da je Daci prekinuo susret pregovaračke ekipe sa Solanom, komesarom EU za proširenje Olijem Renom i zamenikom Martija Ahtisarija Alberom Roanom u trenutku kada je počeo razgovor o potrebi što bržeg izbora novog predsednika Kosova. List navodi da ponašanje Dacija nije ostavilo dobar utisak na međunarodne predstavnike i pored činjenice da oni o tome nisu govorili za medije.


Good job Daci!!!!

Anonymous said...

Mr Ivan excremented:
Let me help our confused albanian friends,

The answer lies in the Byzantine chroniclers which date the arrival of Albanians (Alvanoi) from Southern Italy at 1043 in central Albania (Durrës) as mercenaries in the army of Maniakis.

I say: in that case we have done pretty damn good. So dont go on bs-ing how your army is great and serbia is amazing cause only a handful of alabanian mercenaries have almost taken from you the whole serbia. However, the fact now is that there are more than 7 million albanians in a compact area which you can't asssimilate or anihilate.How long will you last in a 15 round fight against Muhammad Albanian. You are shitting your pants even as the negotiations are going on. You better start making A-bombs bitch.

Anonymous said...

Mr serbs

Montenegrins in the north? HA HA HA AH you fucking bitches are funny. Even they dont want anything to do with you.

Cvijus011 said...

now now anonymous, now you're imagining history:

"only a handful of alabanian mercenaries have almost taken from you the whole serbia2

Can you please remind when did that happen? Or is it maybe when you were helping your Ottoman friends?

"So dont go on bs-ing how your army is great and serbia is amazing2

Well our army kicked may asses in the last 200 years and one of those was yours. Even deGaulle admitted that the Serbian army is amazing.
And Serbia, well at least we have electricity :) What about Albania and Kosovo?

"How long will you last in a 15 round fight against Muhammad Albanian"

You wanna check it?

"You are shitting your pants even as the negotiations are going on"

Actually, we will just sit and enjoy watching you kill each other over who will take Rugova's place.

Cvijus011 said...

"Montenegrins in the north? HA HA HA AH you fucking bitches are funny. Even they dont want anything to do with you."

But surely not with you.

Anonymous said...

Then please give the Serbs in Kosovo to have free will. They want to be part of Serbia not some new Albanian country.

OK - lets put it to the public vote in a referendum in Kosova only and let it be decided that way what the majority want. We are not against a referendum. That is what we wanted all along.

Re: Greater Albania - Where was in this blogg Greater Albania mentioned appart from you Serb writers? I think you should need to understand that we want Indipendence, not Albania and certainly not Serbia. I think (read 'think') that because you did not achieve the 'Great Serbia' are afraid that we are seeking Great Albania.

Your politicians could have represented your people in the Serbian Parliament. The reason why your parliament got dismissed is because you declared independence which was against the Serbian constitution. IF your politicians decided to participate in the Serbian parliament (where they belong, because Kosovo is STILL part of Serbia)),Milosevic would have been overthrown long time ago. But then again that would not work in the direction for the creation of Great albania.


Again Great Albania - I am beginning to think that you are putting ideas into our heads - maybe that is what you want? That Albania becomes Great again? Plus, our parliament was dissolved by force for doing something that was within the constitution of YU. It was by force that the parliament was dissolved.

But you forgot to envy Enver Hoxha for killing so many Serbs, that’s your biggest dream, to create Serb free Balkans. But I tell you something my friend, you tried this in the Balkan wars, and you failed, then you tried in the second world war, you failed, and now you managed to clean Kosovo from Serbs. But not thanks to your mighty warriors, because we all saw what happened to UCK when they fought against the Serbian military, but with the help of drug and prostitution money which lobbied the american politicians.


Pinch yourself as you are dreaming mate - UCK was indeed beaten in some fronts, but with the Serbian stolen army from ex-YU. Now don't go telling me about drugs and prostitution. The money from that could not have been a match to your army might. But we fought with what we had, and I think we did more than enough with what we had. And in the Balkan wars, let me remind you that close to 50K Albanians were killed by your + montenegrin forces.
WWII - what the hell are you on about?!?!? Are you in Amsterdam and halucinating having consumed magic mushrooms?

Get your bloody facts straight as you are really strating to get on my nerves with your ignorance.

First learn to read, and then comment. Provinces had the right to change republics, but not to become a republic itself, or to become independent. Try reading again , I am sure you will understand.

Sorry I have misread it - I apologise. But you are wrong regarding the constitution.

There are rules of how demonstrations should be held. You first need to get the permission to hold the demonstration peacefully ofcourse, and then you can hold it.

Columbo!!!

Were you in Kosova then? Or did you read it in your media? STFU!

Shush - yes my mother said to me that when I was noughty - whereas your mum slapped and kicked when you and that is why you are so stupid now.

During the Communist/Socialist Era there were no private companies, all of them were state owned. So everything came from one pocket. Whether it was Elektroprivreda Srbija or elektroprivreda Kosovo, its all being supported by the Serbian tax payers.


I am beginning to wonder if you ever lived in YU/Serbia. No they were not all state owned as a start - they were the companies of those who worked in them jointly with the state. Plus was it only Serbs that paid taxes? What the hell are you on? And the were not allways part of Elektro Privreda Serbije - you took it by force!!! Get that through your thick scull. The fund belonged to YU not to Serbia.

Who covers the insurance for Kosovo cars.

Loyds of London!
And you took all our plates when we were forced out of Kosova at gunpoint - and refused to issue others after the war. So don't give me all your BS and stop complaining that the serbs do not have power when you do not let us drive through Serbia, even in an emergency.

Arguing with Mr Ivan and Other serbs is like arguing with imbeciles.

I am beginning to believe that myself. I thought that you are a bit smarter since you work for an American company - but now I wonder.

After all why are they so afraid to talk to Serbian DEMOCRATIC politicians and why didn’t you allow President Tadic to attend Rugovas funeral?

Why don't you try and anwser your own question... Or do you still need me to educate on how to use deductive reasoning?

Do you think that he was truthfull? Do you think that the politicians in Kosova have a say in that? I doubt that Rugova's family wanted an enemy to attend the funeral and I very much doubt that the international community would have allowed it. And as far as the latter is concerned - complain to them. Nothing to do with us.
And be truthfull - would he have come for real or he knew for sure that he will not be allowed and that he used the excuse politically? Come one, everyone has sussed you out by now what sort of dirty politics you play.

As for all the other Albos, choose are you decendents of Illrians or Dardanians?

Who do you wish us to belong to? Why are you guys so obsessed with it? How about we came from Mars or maybe Jupiter? Is that any better?

There is one thing that I feel sorry for you guys - it is the fact that you are all going to live and die disapointed, for you have finally forever lost your right to rule Kosova. You can by all means live in it, no-one is denying you that right, but you will have to live under Kosova law. Get over it! Move on!

Sorry to dissapoint you, but all of the posts that i write are either during my lunch break or from my home.
I know its the Albanian dream not to do anything and also get money for it. But keep on searching, maybe will get lucky


Are you saying that that is only Albanian dream? Don't kid yourself... or us for that matter.

BTW - you did not tell me the name of the company... I might get lucky there...

Is this how you respect human rights? Or how you respect different religions by building memorial complex of the people who burned more than 120 churches on the property of the Church. GOD SAVE EUROPE!!!!!

Maybe you should build a memorial to Hitler in a Sinagoge.


As far as this is concerned we are following the path that you serbs tought us Albanians when you built your orthodox churches on the catholic church foundations and walls...

Xythi

Anonymous said...

Enough bitching then. May the best, in our case man, in your case rapist, win.

Cvijus011 said...

"Enough bitching then. May the best, in our case man, in your case rapist, win."

If I get you you will wonder for the rest of your life what happened to you, IF I get you since you all hit-run-hide(UCK legacy) like any ordinary pussy. Be a man for once.

Anonymous said...

cvijus,

First of all who mentioned that serbs are barbarians? But now that you do, I agree.

I have had history clases, in fact, I have had history clases tht were censured by serbs. So you may be right, I have been tought the wrong history. And that is why I am reading historians like Malcolm who is an unbiased historian.

The Albanians, came from Mars on the 18th century. Are you satisfied? You will still never rule Kosova.

BTW - I like the way you think that Bulgaria and Romania want to be associated with you. I guess they supported you by allowing NATO to use your airspace when they bombed you. And when you say montenegro supports you, I think that you are mistaken guys - they want their own indipendence - and they will get it god willing. In fact they so much 'support you' in so having adopted a different currency from yours and many other things which you know about.

See you all in a week. I am going skiing. I need to recuperate from these serbian twats.

Xythi

fauna said...

hey ivan,
you never got back to me...

albanians came from southern italy in 1043? does that mean they are roman descent?

tell me more... it sounds very interesting

Anonymous said...

You shat:
If I get you you will wonder for the rest of your life what happened to you, IF I get you since you all hit-run-hide(UCK legacy) like any ordinary pussy. Be a man for once.

I say:
I have seen you fight in two wars bitch, and you are nothing but cowards. I have seen serbs cry like little bitches in croatia and they were armed to the teeth. However, your won in balkan wars only because of russians and geopolitical games of super powers.Times up!

ivan said...

Xythi,

RE: OK - lets put it to the public vote in a referendum in Kosova only and let it be decided that way what the majority want. We are not against a referendum. That is what we wanted all along.

Sure but then allow all the regions where the Serbian majority rules to be part of Serbia to belong to Serbia. Or shall we take a vote on whole of Serbia, there you would get only 20%.

Re: Greater Albania - Where was in this blogg Greater Albania mentioned appart from you Serb writers? I think you should need to understand that we want Indipendence, not Albania and certainly not Serbia. I think (read 'think') that because you did not achieve the 'Great Serbia' are afraid that we are seeking Great Albania.

Give me a break. Greater Albania mentioned only from the side of Serbian writers? Where do you live? What about the posters of “United States of Albania”that your co patriots post on their websites.



RE: Plus, our parliament was dissolved by force for doing something that was within the constitution of YU. It was by force that the parliament was dissolved.

It was not your constitutional right to declare independence. Refer to your post where you admited you were wrong:

“Sorry I have misread it - I apologise. But you are wrong regarding the constitution.”
I am wrong, and I guess you are right, according to your constitution Beograd should belong to alabanians. Grow up or as your mother would say,SHUSH.




RE: Pinch yourself as you are dreaming mate - UCK was indeed beaten in some fronts, but with the Serbian stolen army from ex-YU. Now don't go telling me about drugs and prostitution. The money from that could not have been a match to your army might. But we fought with what we had, and I think we did more than enough with what we had. And in the Balkan wars, let me remind you that close to 50K Albanians were killed by your + montenegrin forces.
WWII - what the hell are you on about?!?!? Are you in Amsterdam and halucinating having consumed magic mushrooms?

I guess you really know a lot about drugs, since its your nations biggest industry. You invested your drug money very wisely, by lobbying the US Democrats. Your coward UCK knew they could not stand against the Serbian military so you needed back up. But this war was not won by you, but by US.

RE: Get your bloody facts straight as you are really strating to get on my nerves with your ignorance.

Hey don’t scare me now with your Alban “brave temper”. Will you hit me now, and then run and hide ;)



RE: There are rules of how demonstrations should be held. You first need to get the permission to hold the demonstration peacefully ofcourse, and then you can hold it.

Columbo!!!

Were you in Kosova then? Or did you read it in your media? STFU!

Whats wrong you don’t have any arguments? So you have to shut me up. Will we cry now? Or will you go and hide and accuse me for threatening you (planting a masacre like in Racak) Let me ask you, go out where ever you live now, and try to block traffic and demonstrate about some rights that you don’t have ( you albanians always seem to find something ) and see what will happen to you.

RE: Shush - yes my mother said to me that when I was noughty - whereas your mum slapped and kicked when you and that is why you are so stupid now.

My mother taught me to respect other countries rules and cultures, but she also taught me to be a man, and to face my enemy eye to eye. But apparently your mother taught you to hit-run-hide, and then cry and fake to be a victim (like the case of Racak)



RE: “I am beginning to wonder if you ever lived in YU/Serbia. No they were not all state owned as a start - they were the companies of those who worked in them jointly with the state. Plus was it only Serbs that paid taxes? What the hell are you on? And the were not allways part of Elektro Privreda Serbije - you took it by force!!! Get that through your thick scull. The fund belonged to YU not to Serbia.”

How can we taker Eltektro Privreda Kosovo when it is part of Serbia. It was the state that established that enterprise, the state had all the ownership of that, and the state could reorganize it as it wished. If it was in private ownership I would understand, but elektroprivreda Kosova was state owned, unless you can now find some false documents stating that your uncle invested money to create that enterprise. Please think before you write, you are mebaressing yourself.



RE: Loyds of London!
And you took all our plates when we were forced out of Kosova at gunpoint - and refused to issue others after the war. So don't give me all your BS and stop complaining that the serbs do not have power when you do not let us drive through Serbia, even in an emergency.

Serbia did want to reissue new plates, but you didn’t want to accept them. Stop playing a victim for once. Kosovo & Metohija is not an indepenent country, and sorry to disappoint you are still part of Serbia. Serbia does not recognize Kosovo plates, so if you want to drive through Serbia get Serbian plates. Its very simple. Shall I make some plates of my own, and then drive through Belgium? Do you know how far I would be able to drive without valid plates. 5 meters, plus I would most likely end up in jail for some time.

RE: Arguing with Mr Ivan and Other serbs is like arguing with imbeciles.

I am beginning to believe that myself. I thought that you are a bit smarter since you work for an American company - but now I wonder.

Mate, am I supposed to be insulted now? Good try!




RE: Do you think that he was truthfull? Do you think that the politicians in Kosova have a say in that? I doubt that Rugova's family wanted an enemy to attend the funeral and I very much doubt that the international community would have allowed it. And as far as the latter is concerned - complain to them. Nothing to do with us.
And be truthfull - would he have come for real or he knew for sure that he will not be allowed and that he used the excuse politically? Come one, everyone has sussed you out by now what sort of dirty politics you play.

You are really scared of us. The reason is because your politicians know they have no moral right over Kosovo & Metohija and you are just hoping that it wioll be given away to you without having to look at Serbian politicinas in the eyes. Another hit –run-hide example.


RE: As for all the other Albos, choose are you decendents of Illrians or Dardanians?

Who do you wish us to belong to? Why are you guys so obsessed with it? How about we came from Mars or maybe Jupiter? Is that any better?

You said it! I don’t care where you come from, but I am really confused. I mean one sais you are decendant from Illrians, the other from Dardanians, who knows maybe some other albo will say you are from Aztecs. I would just like to know what you guys believe you are.



RE: Sorry to dissapoint you, but all of the posts that i write are either during my lunch break or from my home.
I know its the Albanian dream not to do anything and also get money for it. But keep on searching, maybe will get lucky

Are you saying that that is only Albanian dream? Don't kid yourself... or us for that matter.

Not mine, and not from any Serb or any other civilized person I know. Our mission of our life is to create, produce and improve through our whole lives. But apparently what you admit as well, the aim of the albanians is just vegetate and get paid for it, plus complain how you don’t have human rights.

RE: BTW - you did not tell me the name of the company... I might get lucky there...

Sorry to be accepted in my company you need to be intelligent and a hard worker. You don’t stand a chance in any of the criteria.



RE: As far as this is concerned we are following the path that you serbs tought us Albanians when you built your orthodox churches on the catholic church foundations and walls...

Please name me these churches.

Anonymous said...

Mr Ivan you work for an american company? From the same country that bombed the fuck out of you? Ouch. Talk about a fucker who sold his soul for a few dollars.

Bekim said...

Mr serbs what I dont understand is how come you haven't come to terms yet that the majority of the planet thinks you are psychopaths?

Anonymous said...

thats funny and ironic how 2 serbs have the whole blog going (115 comments) especially under the topic where ppl are supposed to pay respect to their deceased leader. Do u even give a sh.. about your leader? Well if you do instead of cursing and arguing back and forth hold a minute of silence for him. And just to respect his only insiparations (independence through peace and understanding) stop this nonsense under this topic.
If you are an albanian and still post under this topic to reply to instigating serbs in my book you are as bad as serb and maybe should move to Belgrade or shoot your albanian friend

Bekim said...

Point taken! Every albanian in their hearts mourns for our president. I objected him being so much into gaining independence through peaceful means.But his heart was in the right place. I mourn and I will never abandon his dream, come hell or high water.I also know that we albanins tend to be way too much self-critical especially some of us who were not here to fight and win this war cause spineless serbs surrendered to fast. Hopefully next one will be as vicious as a war can be. And I pray to god that the next day either us or the rapist serbs is gone from the face of the earth.

Cvijus011 said...

"Mr Ivan you work for an american company? From the same country that bombed the fuck out of you? Ouch. Talk about a fucker who sold his soul for a few dollars."

I wouldn't say that if I were you, it was the albanians who sold their asses in '99, not only to the Americans, but the whole world had a wild party over your asses, even we, remember that? Don't think that will not happen again.

bekim,

" And I pray to god that the next day either us or the rapist serbs is gone from the face of the earth."

Heil Bekim, the new leader of albanian nazism. The Führer Hitler would be proud of you.

fauna said...

hey, do you know about this chinese version of google?
it's www.google.cn and it's censored according to the chinese brainwashing machine.... so if you do a search like "free tibet" or "dalai lama" or "taiwan independence" you get bascially no result

i have a feeling that there's a www.google.yu or something like it that some of Serbian bloggers are using.... censored, JUST FOR YOU... JUST WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW...

is there? is there something we don't know?

anyway, ivan... what was that Albanians coming from Southern Italy in 1043?

i find it very amusing... it's kind of like a fairytale

I am assuming they arrived on boats?

Bekim said...

Never argue with serbs, because to communicate with them you have to stoop to their level (rapist,psychopathic, shit for brains) and then they beat you with experience.

illyrianboy said...

I AM WONDERING AGAIN WHY THE ANONYMOUS WHO POSTED THE FIRST QUESTION HERE DISAPPERAED. HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING AFTER I GAVE HIM THE ANSWER.

Fauna, likeg the google.yu.

my question to the history expert ivan is: How the hell did Albanians come to Italy then? From Mars?

You Serbs can believe anything, it doesnt matter. As someone else said. You can believe we came from Mars. Kosova is Albanian and Independent!

Anonymous said...

Ivan,

I'll reply when I get back from the holiday...

And it is not a case of hit and run. It is your tactics, not ours.

I'll reply to you when I get back, I guess you can wait till then?

Xyrhi

Mir said...

"Kosova is Albanian and Independent!"

What a nice contradiction.

illyrianboy said...

call it a contradiction. contraception, friction, fission, fusion, translation, interpretation, determination, dfhgdfhjaation, sjdfgdshation, anything you like; Kosova is not under Serbian rule and will never be!

Kristian said...

I'm a bit puzzled on the drug money that financed the UCK that ivan quoted.

The majority of the money was raised by albanian diaspora, mainly the USA. And it definately was not drug money. Need I remind what I wrote on another blog. Joseph Dioguardi, a house representative led the way with his organization (AACL). He and many influential albanians throughout the US raised a lot of money to help the Albanians in Kosovo/a and lobbied strongly since the '80's showing how albanian civil liberties were being abused by serbs.

And:

Presented in 1937, two years before the "final solution" was formalated in Nazi Germany, this memorandum clearly shows how the Serbian Regimes would brutally repress the Albanians of Kosova, and expell the Albanians of Kosova.
Dr. V Cubrilovic "The Expulsion of Albanians"

Resuce in Albania - written by a prominent Jewish-American, this book tells how every Jew already in the Albanian Lands, and every Jew who was fortunate enought to make it to the Albanian Lands during WWII were saved from the Holocaust by the heroic deeds of the Albanian people.

Coming soon: The Agony of Kosova, by Joe DioGuardi!

So how is it possible for a ppl that Ivan and cv... call nazi's that after WWII there were more Jews in Albanian lands prior to the WAR? Ivan a response please?

Oh another thing, the last time they were doing construction work on the white house--An Albanian construction company won the contract and repaired/painted/etc the white house. So how would they let a nazi/drug dealing/criminal/thief fix the white house? I'm sure they did it bc they felt sorry for him, ain't that right Ivan and cv....

Mir said...

Im guessing it was the White House under Bill Clinton since he loves you so much :P

Republic_of_Kosova said...

Go check who built the Russian White house, who was a close friend of the president of russia, and also set up that meeting in the middle of the war between Milosheviç and Dr.Ibrahim Rugova!!

Bill Clinton doesn't love us, he just hates You!

Cvijus011 said...

Only part of Montenegro to secede? | 15:02 January 26 | Beta
BERLIN -- Thursday – President of the Movement for the European Federal Union of Serbia and Montenegro, Zoran Zizic, does not dismiss the possibility of only one section of Montenegro leaving the union if the independence referendum falls through.

Asked what would happen if independence was declared without the 50 per cent majority which the EU demands, Zizic said that the opposition would boycott the declaration.

“In mainly northerly regions of Montenegro there are already talks of holding a referendum, in that case, for uniting with Serbia.” Zizic said.

He added that Montenegro has become an “absurdist” state under the regime of Milo Djukanovic, and the “most undemocratic state in Europe.”

“Djukanovic is a man of the mafia; Italian courts are investigating him under suspicions of smuggling cigarettes. When the Movement for Montenegrin Independence was formed last year, 1.2 million dollars were donated at the initial meeting alone. This sum of money did not come from the citizens, half of which are living under the existential minimum, this is money made from criminal activity.” Zizic said.

Cvijus011 said...

Napad na policiju
28. januar 2006. | 11:21 | Izvor: FoNet
Bujanovac -- Nepoznate osobe izvršile su oružani napad sa kosovske strane na objekat policije u selu Dobrosin u opštini Bujnovac, saopštio je vranjski SUP.

U saopštenju se navodi da su napadači juče oko 5 sati ujutru došli iz pravca sela Podgrađe u opštini Gnjilane, blizu administrativne linije, i sa sto metara ispalili više hitaca u pravcu policijskog objekta. Jedan metak je probio limenu konstrukciju policijskog kontejnera i ušao u kuhinjski deo gde je više puta rikošetirao. U napadu niko nije povređen.

Uviđaj su izvršili pripadnici vranjskog SUP-a po ovlašćenju istražnog sudije Okružnog suda kao predstavnici multinacionalne brigade Istok iz sastava KFOR-a a prisustvovali su i pripadnici 78 motorizovane brigade vojske Srbije i Crne Gore.

Kristian said...

cv......

Please, for those that don't speak serbian if you can give english resources I personally would appreciate it.

Second, if it does split will those ppl want to seperate after the fact or live by the decision of the ppl?

And to my understanding the International Community and EU is dead set for no border changes, so where does that leave those ppl wanting to seperate?

And how is the pres. a man of the mafia for smuggling cigarettes? If TRUE. Big IFFFFFF there.

The word mafia has over 13 different meanings. I wonder if you could elaborate on that?

And how many cigs did he import? There are only 650k ppl in Mont. and I really doubt that all of them are smokers. But if the cigs went to MOTHER SERBIA, that means there was a supply and demand issue bc of the embargos (if this was during the embargos ASSUMING). So he fed the PEOPLES NEED for a product which is hardly a crime, unless you think of cigs as a drug (which is debatable, but isn't yet in any country).

If what you and the article claim to be true. And I'm a bit of a skeptic on that issue. Remember "GREY MATTER" AND NOTHING IN BLACK N WHITE IS TO BE CONSIDERED TRUE NO MATTER WHO IS THE SOURCE. Or do you believe if its printed then it must be true? Bc you always ask for sources, so this makes me believe it to be true.

The EU and Nato turned an Eye on mont. during the embargo on MOTHER SERBIA and actually urged it to stay with MOTHER SERBIA as to not complicate the balkan situation. so in reality the EU didn't give a choice 3 yrs ago but postponed that choice for this year. If the EU/Nato got so involved then to persuade them to stay, then the ppl of Mont. actually wanted to seperate 3 yrs ago, am I wrong here? Or was it even earlier then three yrs ago. Maybe since '95 if I remember ppl were asking to split and open the old embassies in Cetinj (howerver you spell it).

Just curious! I hope you can answer at least the first question! Will the ppl live with the decision IF it splits or are they going to petition to join MOTHER SERBIA?

Anonymous said...

"As for all the other Albos, choose are you decendents of Illrians or Dardanians? "


you mentioned this 2-3 times...stop making full of yourself and showing how big idiot you are...DARDANIANS ARE ILLIRIAN tribe, who lived in this area...hope you get this through your brain.

Vancouver said...

hey anonymous is this your wisdom

we might make mistakes but you do not have the right to call none in this Blog a idiot.
At the end of the day we are here disccusing and expressing our opinions.

fauna said...

Vancouver,
some of the bloggers here reach a point that they must be called idiots

anyway...

let's love

Cvijus011 said...

Kosovo Serbs without electricity | 11:00 January 30 | B92


LIPLJAN, GRACANICA -- Monday – Serbs in central Kosovo are often left without electricity for 20 hours a day.

According to B92’s Kosovo correspondent Jelena Trajkovic, Serbian enclaves in the central part of Kosovo have been without electricity for weeks. Lipljan has electricity for two hours a day at the most, and Gracanica has been completely without electricity for several days. The lack of electricity is also hindering people in the area from receiving proper medical treatment.

The hospital located in this region has only one generator, which cannot work all the time, and must therefore breaks down on a regular basis. When the generator is not working, doctors must treat patients by candlelight.

Kosovo Coordination Centre Chief Sanda Raskovic-Ivic was scheduled to meet with UNMIK officials to discuss the normalisation of providing Serbian enclaves with electrical energy, but the meeting was cancelled.

Republic_of_Kosova said...

Okay Cvijus.
First, read some news that aren't made up by B92. Second, Kosova "is made up of democratic laws", tell your compadres to pay their electricity, water, "mirë mbajtjen" and taxes, then maybe KEK can afford to make more electricity then. Don't try to argue that they don't have money because we all know Great Vojvodina sends them wages, for the teachers, the "police", and those who work on parallel (ILLEGAL) structures.
Now that I take your "Serbia has democratic laws that all need to follow" if that concept is followed in Kosova, then your 5% minority should all be in jail.

Remember "this isn't Serbia, this is Kosova". The quote is from an American soldier, go look it up.

Anonymous said...

This is what you said a while back,
"If you don't like driving through Serbia, than either respect the traffic rules or find another way to go to Pristina. Nobody forced you to drive through Serbia."

Like you said, if the Serbs don't like to pay their water, electricity, maintance..etc then they can all go to Vojvodina, I'd like to see them give them free everything.

Shjkijet are use to getting everything easy and free, sorry that isn't happening, Shkijet aren't control Kosova anymore. Alsomore, why do you choose selective reading? Do you remember saying "don't worry we'll just watch you murder yourself for president" [Refering to the talks]?

Looky here. " Breaking News: Fatmir Sejdiu Will Be Elected As The New President of Kosova

Learn to READ dumbass. Also look who is fighting.

"Jaksic may leave status team | 13:44 January 30 | B92
KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, BELGRADE -- Monday – Marko Jaksic is considering leaving the Belgrade Kosovo status discussion team. "

"“The treat of resigning is a well-know method of our politicians, and Jaksic is with his statements and the help of the public, trying to improve his position within the team. The ‘more about autonomy, less about independence’ formula could include 15 different solutions""

I would leave too, they should settle for Serbia having full of control of Kosova. Wait, what are the 10 points of the talk, oh yes, Kosova shall not return to its state of 1999.

Viva La Republic of Kosova

ivan said...

Protest zbog struje
31. januar 2006. | 08:29 | Izvor: B92
Gračanica -- Protestni skup zbog situacije sa električnom energijom na Kosovu zakazan je za danas u Gračanici.


Kao san (privredni-vjesnik.hr)


Kako je saopštio Pres-centar Koordinacionog centra u Kosovskoj Mitrovici, protest će početi u podne, a u saopštenju se navodi da je najteža situacija u snabdevanju strujom trenutno u selima na teritoriji opštine Novo Brdo, gde nema struje od 26. januara.

Veselin Kočanović, rukovodilac sektora privrede u Koordinacionom centru za Kosovo, kaže za B92 da je zbog loše situacije sa strujom pre dve nedelje trebalo da bude održan sastanak ministra energetike Srbije Radomira Naumova, predsednice Koordinacionog centra Sande Rašković Ivić i predstavnika UNMIK-a i Kosovske energetske korporacije. Susret je odložen u poslednjem trenutku zbog, kako je navedeno, tehničkih razloga.

Kočanović kaže da je Srbija spremna da izmiri dug srpskog stanovništva za struju, ali da problem, izgleda, nije ekonomske prirode jer dužnici nisu samo Srbi, a struja se uglavnom isključuje u delovima gde su oni većina. "Mi smo posle odloženog sastanka insistirali na zakazivanju novog sastanka kako bismo došli do nekog dogovora. Ovih dana očekujemo da se predstavnici UNMIK-a oglase i konačno zakažu termin, kada bismo mogli da razgovaramo i dođemo do nekih rešenja, ako su ta rešenja ekonomska. Ako su ona politička, to je drugo pitanje", kaže on.

Serbia is ready to take care of its people, but your so called laws are very biased, just hoping to get rid of those Serbs. But I am very proud of them for their courage and bravery. I will light a candle for them!

Fauna,

I dont know where you albanians come from, but its certain that you are newcomers to these lands. Here are some reasons for that:

Many problems for the theory of Albanian continuity in Albania are recognized, and the problems are addressed in various ways as the case may be.

One problem is the lack of clear archaeological evidence for a continuous settlement of an Albanian-speaking population since Illyrian times. For example, while several scholars maintain that the Komani-Kruja burial sites support the Illyrian-Albanian continuity theory, other scholars reject this and consider that the remains indicate a population of Romanized Illyrians who spoke a Romanic language.

The lack or scarcity of definite loans from ancient Greek into Albanian is another problem (v. Hemp). As the Jireček Line shows, if Albanians were continuously settled throughout Albania since Illyrian times, they would have been, in the south, in more or less constant contact with the Greeks, and the absence or scarcity of definite loans from ancient Greek is hard to explain within the context of Albanian continuity. Even Greek loans into Illyrian are known (cf. Wilkes, et al.; including Illyrian names borrowed from Greek), so their absence in Albanian as an alleged descendant of Illlyrian as it was spoken in Albania is doubly difficult to explain.

Another problem is the ancient Illyrian and Roman toponyms (including hydronyms, etc.) in what is now Albania compared to their equivalents in the Albanian language. While a number may (most cases are contested among linguists) pose no major or definite problem in terms of linguistic evolution (v. Hemp), many others appear to have entered through one or more intermediary languages, which strongly indicates that the ancestors of Albanians were not in Albania (v. Hemp et al.). For example, Albanian Shkoder from Latin Scodra and Albanian Tomor from Latin Tomarus do not match the Albanian phonological evolution (v. Hemp).

The written historical records pose another problem. The modern Albanians were not mentioned in Byzantine chronicles until 1043, although Illyria was part of the Byzantine Empire. The Illyrians are referred to for the last time as an ethnic group in Miracula Sancti Demetri (7th century AD).

I hope this answers your question.

Robert Jan Kelder said...

National independence or freedom is a myth, a dangerous illusionn that has already cost millions of (innocent) lives and unless it is abondoned will claim many more in the (near) future. Nations cannot become free, only individuals can. To the extent that the citizens of a nation,of whatever nationality, become free, the nation is. The solution to areas of mixed ethnic populations is the hitherto unknown idea of the threefold social organism, i.e not ethnic cleansing, but social organic cleansing through applying freedom to the spiritual life (science, art and religion), equality to the rights sphere and realizing brotherhood in the economic life (through, among other things, the division of labour and circulating the means of production to those most capable of handling them), as already proclaimed at the beginning of the previous century by Rudolf Steiner, the founder of anthroposophy, in his book "The Threefold Social Order" (in German: "Die Kernpunkte der Sozialen Frage" translated under various titles, such as the Threefold Commonwealth and also into many languages). Steiner was born in 1861 in what is is now Croatia. He witnessed the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire under the strain of its many nationalities all clamoring for national independence and saw at first hand the ominous developments (such as the economic tension between England and Germany) leading to to World War I, and then came up with this idea that all nationalities ought to be given complete power over their cultural life, including jurisprudence, a radical departurew from the centralized state. When this Central European idea of social organics was rejected (to be later crushed by National Socialism and Bolschevism) he developed a new form for its presentation in his lectures on World Economy(1922) that is still waiting to be explored and implemented.
For the way towards attaining individual freedom, he wrote "The Philosophy of Freedom" also translated as "The Philosophy of Spiritual Activity" (in German: "Die Philosophie der Freiheit")
This is the way forward, instead of looking backwards in the no doubt historically interesting past of the proud peoples on the Balkan, because this retrospective leads to murderous conflict and suppressions of minorities: it is a blind alley, a dead end. This new perspective does not, however, end all conflict, but raises it from the physcial level to the cultural sphere, where as a sort of "New Olympic Games of the Spirit" delegates from the national cultures can compete against each other to determine who makes the most beautiful music, sculptures and buildings, and who forwards the best ideas for the common good of all humanity and the environment on earth.

ILIR said...

To those servians who question the Illyrian-Albanian link can they tell me where the name Albania comes from? Weren't Albans an Illyrian tribe? How about the ancient Illyrian names Gent, Teuta, Bardhyl, Agron how did they get to this day? I'm most certain there are no servian people with these names.
There are facts of slavic people coming down from Urals and steppes in the VII century, or you don't agree even on that?
If we Albanians came long after you, as you say, where is this writen or documented? Such movements would have been documented somewhere since this brings about displacement of other populations and wars.
We have always been there and we were no news.
You can read "the Alabanians" George Fred Williams, 1914. He was the American Minister to Montenegro and Greece.
He explains linguisticly the meaning of greek gods in Illyrian (Albanian). I can give you one of many examples Aphrodita- Af(ph)er dita(near day) or dawn. There is no expalnation of greek gods in the greek, as greeks borrowed them from this older poulations called Illyrs.
See the lingustic tree published in 1974 from Swedish Institute of Languages, showing the Albanian as the oldest Indo-Europian language.
It's understandable you have an identity crisis, and inferiority complex.
Talking about religion, you first were pagans, and became Christians and then Muslims (Bosnia), so we in part from Christian became Muslims. What's the difference? You changed we changed. You became Christians only in theory since in practice you remained barbarians. Isn't Christianity all about peace and brotherhood? Read the austrian journalist Leo Freundlich, Edith Durham and more regarding your attrocities and how you brag about them. It's very "Christian" of you.
Albanians in Kosova were Crypto-Catholics in many cases. They kept their faith but changed their name or last name just for appearance. They had the Catholic priests going to their houses and giving them mass.
And latter on remaining Muslim meant to them being different from the hatred invader the Orthodox serbs, just a reaction to your ways of "Christianity"

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