Friday, January 06, 2006

Serbian President: Will Never Accept Independence For Kosovo

RADE (AP)--Serbian President Boris Tadic said in an interview published Friday that he will never accept independence for Kosovo.

"As far as I am concerned, I will never sign any decision granting independence to Kosovo," Tadic told Glas daily.

Kosovo is formally part of Serbia, although the province has been an international protectorate since 1999, when a NATO bombing campaign halted Belgrade's crackdown against ethnic Albanian rebels.

Talks to determine Kosovo's future status are expected to start later this year under mediation by the United Nations. Kosovo's ethnic Albanians are seeking independence, but Belgrade officials want to keep the region within Serbia's borders.

Resolving the issue is considered crucial for stability in the Balkans, a region still recovering from the wars of the 1990s.

Tadic said the solution for Kosovo should be the result of a compromise. He added that the Belgrade delegation at the negotiations will seek to defend " Serbia's national interests."

"We will use all political and diplomatic means to defend them," Tadic was quoted as saying.

Thursday, the Serb negotiating team agreed on its platform for the talks, but revealed no details publicly.

Also Thursday, the leader of Serbia's Orthodox Church, Patriarch Pavle, called for a solution that would be acceptable to both sides.

The Serbs view Kosovo - the medieval seat of the Serbian state - as the cradle of their history, culture and statehood. Kosovo's ethnic Albanians, who make up a majority of the province's population, insist the region should become independent from Serbia.

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

no shit, what president or nation would ever accept just giving away a part of theri internationally recognised territory?? name 1 example?

Chris Blaku said...

The British Empire virtually signed away half the world in this same manner, relatively recently.

On another note, President Tadic is under the misconception that he is transferring the title to his home, and such a transaction would not be complete without his signature. His authorization is not required, nor very much desired. The consideration belongs to the Serbs of Kosova, who remain a minority in their homes and must be afforded every right under the Kosovar Government to prosper and live in peace and liberty. Tadic is overplaying his hand, and has himself indicated that he considers independence a very likely possibility in his very denial of such an outcome. A Serbian leader commenting on Serbian independence was unheard of prior to 1999.

Anonymous said...

such nonsense, when was india ever called England? have the english had a 1600 year majority (as the serbsi did in kosovo) before they were driven out? are theri 2,000 english churches in india?? nonsense. such a contradiction by the "indigenous" albanians who are getting all their halp from the USA a nation who conducted teh greatest ethinc cleansing and genocide ever seen on a REAL indigenous population, not one that invents their own history ovr night. again, show me 1 albo source from prior to teh 19th cen. that claims u are illirain? nonsense.

Dardania 2006 said...

1600 years? Serbs are not that old dear.

Kosova was a collony, as India was.

My Albanian language shows I am of Illyrian decent. My social customs show that we are Illyrian for those customs have been recorded as such.

Serbias colonial days are gone.

Dardania 2006 said...

Then answer this:

Where did the Albanians come from?

Before you answer: You boarded a Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet and came over from Northern Africa consider these points:

Language is distinct and in no linguistic relation with latin, slavic, germanic or greek languages.

Customs are still practiced that have been recorded in ancient times.

And I would like to add:
Stop asking for "written proof" over the internet, especialy considering that Illyrians did not leave written records and that the Albanians only acquired schools in the last century.

Serbs are smart, they close our schools and then ask us for "written proof" about something.

Dardania 2006 said...

Oh and please show me one written source that claims the churches were really Serb especialy considering most of the "orthodox" churches in the west of Dardania are of Catholic architecture...do the math!

Mir said...

Okay well we have some same wedding customs in Serbia as in Greece. I guess that means all Serbians are Greek descendants. GREAT LOGIC.

As far as the international history community is concerned Albanians CLAIM to be of Illyrian descent but it has not been proven yet so Illyrians are considered an extinct people. So please stop using the idiotic 'it was ours before yours' argument because it just sounds childish.

Chris Blaku said...

2:23: The British were far too sophisticated to rewrite the history of their occupied lands, a trait the Serbians cannot flaunt. The Serbians never possessed a majority in the province, and there are not, and were never, 2,000 Serbian Churches in Kosova. The Slavic hordes arrived from the north in the seventh century, and the Serbian identity was not created until the 11th century, with the Nemandji dynasty which wholly differentiated itself from its Rascian roots. The Albanians, widely agreed to be the indigenous inhabitants of the Balkans by nearly all international historians, have had a profound presence in the region, particularly in Kosova, then known as Dardania, for centuries prior to the arrival of the Slavic migrants that would eventually develop and create an aboriginal identity, the Rascian/Serbian one.

As you well know, prior to the 19th century, the Albanians were isolated under the Ottoman regime, where, due to their Islamic religion, were classified as Ottomans, which forbid their education and participation in any Albanian history. The Serbians and Greeks were afforded the luxury of a nationalist education through their Russian-backed Orthodox Churches. The Slavic populations of the Balkans originated a theory that they were the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians, whose profound presence in the Balkans was becoming more and more historically significant, which was the original basis for the state of Yugoslavia. Face it, you're a guest in the Balkans historically, and any attempt to disprove an Illyrian-Albanian link will prove you ridiculed.

Mir said...

"The Slavic hordes arrived from the north in the seventh century, and the Serbian identity was not created until the 11th century"

Okay so what is your point? thats more than a millenium. You want Kosovo back because it was Illyrian land (assuming albanians are illyrians) ONE THOUSAND YEARS AGO??? YOU KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS THAT SOUNDS?? I dont think you truly do.

"The Albanians, widely agreed to be the indigenous inhabitants of the Balkans by nearly all international historians"

That entire statement is a lie. Illyrians are considered an extinct race until further proof can exist.

"The Slavic populations of the Balkans originated a theory that they were the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians"

Lol? Where is that at? As far as I know we've always been Slavs hence yugoSLAVia.

"which was the original basis for the state of Yugoslavia"

Not sure what you mean?

"Face it, you're a guest in the Balkans historically"

Theoretically we are all guest of the Balkans because human life became sentient in Africa. So our true home would be Africa and we would be the guests of every other continent if we used your logic, which thanfully we wont because it is flawed.

"and any attempt to disprove an Illyrian-Albanian link will prove you ridiculed"

Maybe in an Albanians mind. But every English and American world history book I have read has had the same thing "Illyrians are considered an extinct civilization".

Arguing about the history of the land is pointless and will not solve TODAY's Kosovo issue.

Kristian said...
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Kristian said...

To: Mir Prior to the Ottoman invasions into the balkans what religion did the albanians belong too? They were not muslim at the time. So there are 2 possibilites either Orthodox or Catholic. Taking this into consideration do you think these ppl had churches? Or both ppl's worshiped in the same churches. Who is to say who built those churches, can you point out exactly who built ever single one of those churches with concrete evidence? And some of those churches could predate the slavs bc the byzantine empire was the owner of those lands and did have churches there.
So please drop the religious debate bc logic would have it that the ppl were christians prior to the invasion. And no one has evidence for every single church. Can you tell me 100% that every single church built was by the slavs?

Kristian said...

USA a nation who conducted teh greatest ethinc cleansing and genocide ever seen on a REAL indigenous population, not one that invents their own history ovr night.

One thing, it wasn't the USA that did that. The english, french, and spanish did that. USA came later. The common cold was the biggest culprit.

1. All history in the balkans is biased.
2. Historians that visited became biased bc they were influenced by those they met.
3. Depending on what regime was in power, history was always distorted.
4. History is never 100% right, but a persons observation. (SINGLE PERSON).
5. Myth is a great factor in Medievel history and prior to it.
6. Balkan history is more poetic then fact.

Kristian said...

Serbia didn't control the region for 1600 yrs. Tribes of differing ppl's did until a monarchy was established that joined these tribes. Didn't last too long. Shifts in power happened often. Borders shifted all the time. There were no internationally recognized borders stating these were the lands of the SERB. And the Ottoman Empire controlled the region for 500 yrs. And Kosovo/a was not in the hands of the serbs. It was in the hands of a common invadder that we both dispised.

Kristian said...

Okay well we have some same wedding customs in Serbia as in Greece. I guess that means all Serbians are Greek descendants. GREAT LOGIC.

Albanians in differing regions have similar customs, based on their influence by slavs and greeks. Does that mean their either Slavic or Greek. That was the logic the Greeks used to expand 2/3 in size to seize Epirus and the serbs to gain Macedonia and Kosovo/a. Their orthodox so their Greek. And bc of the churches and SLAVA serbs used it to say the Albanians were serbs and showed population stats to the great powers to define current borders. How low can you go to steal land from a ppl that were mostly illiterate (at the time) and never wrote down their own history nor had russia(or any other power) to protect their interests. That is sad and shows how power hungry serbs are and they're willing to do anything to distort history for their own gainful purposes. Serbs are mad bc albanians are finally standing up and contesting what serbs have claimed to be facts when they're is always gray matter. I'm sorry but we don't live in a communistic era anymore.

Kristian said...

Serbs and Greeks always claim that their version of history is 100% correct. Now if you believe that then you are a fool. Albanians are now contesting those facts and now Serbia and Greeks are shouting foul play. In todays society, neither is wrong nor 100% correct. There is grey matter as Mir/Ivan have pointed out several times. Which one of us can truly say that what has been written is 100% unquestionably true. None of us. Debate is good.

Kristian said...

Under communist rule I don't think half those scholars could write what they thought was a truly unbiased book/paper. Or even going before that era to the kingdom era. If you said anything the king didn't want to hear you could be excummunicated or executed as in the communist era. History has always been determined by land and wealth. More land =more wealth. And not to forget the Victor of any battle.
Greek history says for example Alexander the Great was Greek. He wasn't for he clearly CONQUERED the greeks. His kingdom fell so the greeks assimilated those ppl and wrote their history since then. Ppl always talk about these great kingdoms in the balkans and so many folk heroes etc. Think of the time ppl lived in those eras. Scholars weren't taught to be objective and unbiased as is the standard ppl uphold to today. Or try to. The history of the balkans is like swiss cheese with so many holes that its pathetic from whatever angle you look at. Historians can only make generalizations. All parties are guilty of this. Unless you saw it with your own eyes can you say it is 100% even then there is gray matter.
Think about that!

Mir said...

"Greek history says for example Alexander the Great was Greek. He wasn't for he clearly CONQUERED the greeks."

That is true but however Macedonians and Greeks are considered similar civilizations. Kind of like how Serbians and Russians are similar because they are Slavic.

Kristian said...

Over time you adopt. Henceforth, Hellinisation. They weren't the same during Alexanders time. Slavs moved from the northeast to the south. So Serbs and Russian ppl are of one race. Macedonians and Greeks were not! Bc of trading they just adopted their culture as the Illyrians adopted Roman customs. Were the Illyrians roman?

fauna said...

Mir:

what's your theory? where did albanians come from?

Mir said...

"what's your theory? where did albanians come from?"

Not qualified to answer that question, nor do I think anyone else posting on this blog is.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about who was ther first, national and ethnic heritage and history blah, blah, blah. The reason that Kosovo should have it's independence comes down to one thing - self-determination. If Quebec with a 51% majority can have it's own country, then certainly Kosovo with a 90% majority can have it's own country.
What do the Serbians gain by keeping it part of Serbia, more trouble or another chance to oppress the Albanians like they've done for the last hundred years.
Give it up Serbia - your treatment of minorities (ethnic Germans, Hungarians, Slovenes, Croatians, Bosnians and lots of others) over the last century has been atrocious. Comes from the same root word as atrocity - get it.

Peter Z said...

All this talk about who was there first, national and ethnic heritage and history blah, blah, blah. The reason that Kosovo should have its independence comes down to one thing - self-determination. If Quebec with a 51% majority can have it's own country, then certainly Kosovo with a 90% majority can have it's own country.
What do the Serbians gain by keeping it part of Serbia, more trouble or another chance to oppress the Albanians like they've done for the last hundred years.
Give it up Serbia - your treatment of minorities (ethnic Germans, Hungarians, Slovenes, Croatians, Bosnians and lots of others) over the last century has been atrocious. Comes from the same root word as atrocity - get it.

Kristian said...

Peter Z

I agree. Like brasilians say CHIN CHIN! Great saying for cheers to that!

fauna said...

Mir: right...

I just hate the fact that the Serbs strongly deny any connection between illyrian and albanian. I guess they just don't like that idea...

Anyway, those are ancient times...
I think Serbs belong to Kosova too, they have a home there as well although it won't be easy

The Balkan wars have turned people into monsters

Dardania 2006 said...

Fauna,

That is exactly the point. Kosovars means also the Serbs that live there but these posters here who have nothing to do with Kosova and probably are Serbs who grew up in diaspora are something special, interesting.

Kosova to Kosovars...

Anonymous said...

Serbs will never become the rulers of Kosova. This so called nation has no culture, no identity and doesn't belong to contemporary civilization. They simply belong to the past and they consider only: hatred, ignorance etc. Serbs are the only who offer shelter for criminals but this is not surprising since a large number of Serbs do have criminal behaviour. Simply they should be expelled from civilized world

Anonymous said...

PRISTINA, Serbia and Montenegro, Jan 4 (Reuters) - A policeman in Kosovo shot and killed a man during his interrogation in an Albanian-style "blood feud" to avenge the murder of his brother.

Police said the officer shot the 38-year-old suspect late on Tuesday as he was being questioned about illegal firearms at the Pec police station in the west of the United Nations-run province. The officer was subsequently arrested.

Local reports alleged the detainee's brother had stabbed to death the police officer's brother at a nightclub six months ago.

The Pristina daily Express quoted the detainee's lawyer as saying he had warned officers in charge that the two families were "locked in a blood feud." Albania has long had a tradition of blood feuds, often stretching over generations.

Such feuds still surface in Albania and in Serbia's disputed province of Kosovo, where ethnic Albanians make up 90 percent of the population.

They are based on the centuries-old Lek Dugagjini Code which states that Albanian families can avenge the killing of a relative by taking the life of either the killer or a member of their family.

hataja said...

there are things to be considered about Kosova:
1- I've never heard one serb to apologize for the atrocities commited in kosova. they blamed Miloscevic for having lost the war not for having made it.
2- no one can say where the albanians came from. no one wants to accept they are indigenous.
3- Albanians were there, the Albanian language is among the oldest existing...
But Albanians have never had a "big friend", never attacked anybody...therefore they remained small and lost terrains in Balkans...

hataja said...

Illyrians are "an extinct civilisation" and Albanians have an "extinct origin". Maybe they meet somewhere?
the logic neglecting Albanians the origin and the illyrians the touch point with today are typical of comunist area, of using only the comode argument in an unfree discusion

Anonymous said...

how did it happen that Serbs built their churches and than left them? Thereafter trying to handle no more the churches but the administration and politics as a ruling minority? Is it about the churches or the ruling of the place? Why they left their "craddle"? When they came in and when they came out? Is it they want to have an "effortless superiority" based on violence which for the democratic balance of forces is no more possible?