Thursday, January 19, 2006

Kosovo's future: Independent thinking

From The Economist print edition
Jan 19th 2006

IF YOU were to assess the future of Kosovo only from the local media, you might think that megaphone diplomacy was all that was happening. Kosovo will be Serbian forever, trumpet Serbia's leaders. The province's Albanian majority retort that nothing less than full independence will do for Kosovo's 2m people, more than 90% of whom are ethnic Albanians. It seems an impasse.

Yet behind the megaphones, tough negotiation has already taken place—albeit not between Serbs and Albanians. Since the end of the Kosovo war in 1999, Serbia's southern province has been under the jurisdiction of the UN, which last November appointed Martti Ahtisaari, a former Finnish president, to start talks on Kosovo's future status. The Serbs and Kosovo Albanians have assembled negotiating teams that are due to meet for the first time next week in Vienna.

But much of the hard bargaining has already happened, among interested outside powers: Britain, France, America and Russia. Given these countries' foreign-policy differences, the degree of consensus on Kosovo is surprising. Even Russian diplomats, who insist publicly that they will back the Serbs, say the opposite in private. The four powers all agree that Kosovo should have “conditional independence”, code for full independence after a transitional period, but with certain safeguards for Kosovo's remaining Serbs.

The only dispute is over tactics. At present, all are pretending that the future of Kosovo is to be settled in Mr Ahtisaari's talks. But in private it is accepted that, since the two sides will never agree, the decisions will have to be taken for them. British diplomats argue that the sooner an explicit guarantee is given to the Kosovo Albanians that independence in some form is coming, the greater the concessions they will be ready to make to Kosovo's 100,000-odd remaining Serbs. The French are more cautious, fearing that going public too soon may mean that the Serbs refuse to engage in any talks at all.

If the outcome is already agreed, what is the point of Mr Ahtisaari's negotiations? The answer, in the words of one diplomat, is that they “are not about the status of Kosovo...[but about] negotiating the status of the Serbs in Kosovo.” The Serbian government may still insist that Kosovo belongs to Serbia under international law, but such a position needs outside backing if it is to be credible. Realising that Russia's support is uncertain, the Serbs appealed last month to France. The French replied that they would support Serbia's legitimate interests, but only if they were realistic—and keeping Kosovo was not that.

A disappointed Boris Tadic, Serbia's president, is now preparing a fallback position. If Kosovo's independence cannot be prevented, he is putting out feelers to see if Serbia can, at least, stop the Kosovo Albanians having their own army and, for the foreseeable future, a separate seat at the UN. The Serbs give warning that, if Kosovo is lost completely, radical nationalists may come to power. A recent poll showed support for the nationalists holding up better than for other parties.

Yet this threat may not be that worrying, either. What would happen if the nationalists were to take control? Not much, shrugs one diplomat. Serbia's choice is, he says, “Belarus or Brussels”—isolation or Europe. As with Hobson's choice, it is really no choice at all.

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

I wonder what goes in the minds of Serbs when every day, every credible publication tells them that Kosovo is becoming (conditionally) independent.

Dardania 2006 said...

I think Serbs have new friends...Iran:
Islamic Republic News Agency

They are calling Kosova/Dardania as "Kosovo i Metohija"...

Maybe Serbia hopes they will produce some nukes so they can achieve their ambitions...

I say: ICE CREAM to SERBIA!!!

Visit Prishtina said...

They probably think that this is Albanian propaganda. Father Milosevic taught them that all the world is (unfairly, of course) against Serbia, and that Serbia (naturally) is the victim of everything that took place in the Balkans during the 1990s.

illyrianboy said...

They even have a special Serbian language section for news in Iran. haha. I guess they both can relate to each other beign opposed to the modern world as we know it.

This talk about radicals coming to power is BS. They are gonna come in power in Serbia anyway.

Ron said...

"Subsequent investigations suggested, however, that Mr. Djordje Martinovic inflicted the wounds upon himself in an unsuccessful attempt of sexual self-gratification".


Remember the guy who was fucking himself with a broken beer bottle??
He was a serb from Kosova.

illyrianboy said...

I wanna go back to the issue of albanians from Nish Sanjak.

arianit is right,

your arrogance/ignorance Cvijus is amazing. but not surprising though. dont worry, I wouldnt mind patiently educating you as I have many other people.

I am not gonna give you an account of what happened on 1878 because you can find info about that very easily.

Have you ever wondered why there is Albanians in the Preshevo valley (within Serbias borders)?

Now read carefully:

I assume you learn in history books that Serbia 's independence was recognized internationally in 1878. Well, before 1878 Serbia was only Belgrade Pashalluk. On 1878 Serbia managed to occupy some Ottoman territory (because of the Ottomoan involvement in the Russo-Turkish war). That territory was the so called Sanjak of Nish (and was part of the Kosova vilayet). That territory was inhabited by Albanians as well as Serbs, and Albanians were a majority. The Serbian army on their way razed many villages to the ground and forced Albanians to leave exactly as in 1999. In the Congress of Berlin that territory was given to Serbia and the new border was set which left the Presevo Vally, Kosovo and Sandjak of Novi Pazar(then all part of the Kosova vilayet) within the borders of Ottoman empire. As you can see the reason why there is still Albanians in Preshevo Valley (outside Kosovo, inside Serbia), and Muslims in Sandjak is that they were part of Ottoman Empire and the Serbian army didn't have a chance to kill/expell them in 1878.

Now, on another note, let me inform me that the people who were forced to leave Nish region came to Kosovo (and Macedonia) and their decendants still remember what happened very well. They are called MUHAJIR, which means REFUGEE. They now have an association and are planning to sue Serbia for damages and confiscation of their property.

Now you also wonder why your friend from Nish says he never met any authochtonous Albanians there? Well he never did because the Serbian army killed/expelled them 128 years ago.

You don't have to thank me

illyrianboy said...

I wanna go back to the issue of albanians from Nish Sanjak.

arianit is right,

your arrogance/ignorance Cvijus is amazing. but not surprising though. dont worry, I wouldnt mind patiently educating you as I have many other people.

I am not gonna give you an account of what happened on 1878 because you can find info about that very easily.

Have you ever wondered why there is Albanians in the Preshevo valley (within Serbias borders)?

Now read carefully:

I assume you learn in history books that Serbia 's independence was recognized internationally in 1878. Well, before 1878 Serbia was only Belgrade Pashalluk. On 1878 Serbia managed to occupy some Ottoman territory (because of the Ottomoan involvement in the Russo-Turkish war). That territory was the so called Sanjak of Nish (and was part of the Kosova vilayet). That territory was inhabited by Albanians as well as Serbs, and Albanians were a majority. The Serbian army on their way razed many villages to the ground and forced Albanians to leave exactly as in 1999. In the Congress of Berlin that territory was given to Serbia and the new border was set which left the Presevo Vally, Kosovo and Sandjak of Novi Pazar(then all part of the Kosova vilayet) within the borders of Ottoman empire. As you can see the reason why there is still Albanians in Preshevo Valley (outside Kosovo, inside Serbia), and Muslims in Sandjak is that they were part of Ottoman Empire and the Serbian army didn't have a chance to kill/expell them in 1878.

Now, on another note, let me inform me that the people who were forced to leave Nish region came to Kosovo (and Macedonia) and their decendants still remember what happened very well. They are called MUHAJIR, which means REFUGEE. They now have an association and are planning to sue Serbia for damages and confiscation of their property.

Now you also wonder why your friend from Nish says he never met any authochtonous Albanians there? Well he never did because the Serbian army killed/expelled them 128 years ago.

You don't have to thank me

ivan said...

illyrianboy,

i see that you albanians have a great brainwashing machine. However nice imagination, i have to give you soem credit for it.

If you want to prove me wrong, please give me referenaces... but they better not be albanian references, or albanian authors who would write a second source articles, so called based on serbian authors. ;)

ivan said...

Dardania,

enlighten us , was does ICE CREAM mean?

PejaCity said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Visit Prishtina said...

Ivan,

The following is the meaning of ice cream:

a very cold sweet food made from frozen milk or cream, sugar and flavourings

In Albanian, ice cream is called: akullore.

In Serbian, ice cream is called: sladoled.

You and Cvijus need to be taught everything just like in the elementary school, so I apologise in advance to other readers for using such a straightforward language.

===== XXX =====

Illyrianboy,

Familja ime eshte debuar nga trojet e veta historike ne nje fshat jo larg Prokupljes. Familja ime quhet Parduzi, e kur ishim ne ate fshat para disa vitesh (para fillimit te luftes clirimtare) livadhet tona ende po i quanin livadhet e Parduzve, e edhe mali yne quhej mali i Parduzve. Perndryshe, nje familjar i yni i larget e ka botuar nje liber per familjen tone dhe besohet qe emri Parduz rrenjet i ka te procesi i paritjes se drurit. Familja jone kishte mbijetuar duke perpunuar produkte te drurit, e paraardhesit tone kishin qene shume te mire ne terjen e drurit, qe ne ate kohe eshte njohur si paritje. Me fjale te tjera familja jone ka qene e njohur si paritesit e drurit e qe me kohen eshte thjeshtezuar ne parit dru dhe perfundimisht parduz.

Ne rrethin e Prokupjes ka shume fshatra qe ende i kane emrat shqip, si p.sh. fshati Qyqalla (ne serbisht Cicalla).

Pasi qenke i interesuar ne kete teme, desha te informoj qe familjet tona te debuara me dhune prej trojeve te tyre (te njohura me emrin Muhagjer) nuk kane qene te mireseardhura ne brendi te Kosoves. Si rrjeshoje shumica e familjeve kane shkuar ne Turqi, posaqerisht ne Izmir ku kemi shume familjar te larget dhe ish-fqinj. Nje rajon ne Kosove qe ka qene me mireprites ka qene Llapi, ku eshte ndalur edhe familja ime. Nuk dua te lavdohem per kete pune por, si rrjedhoje ka shume llajpan qe kurre nuk e kane harruar ate qe ju kane bere serbet (kane ndodhur gjera edhe me te keqe se debimi dhe vrasjet e burrave - shpresoj se po me kupton se ne cka po aludoj) edhe vlerat kombetare dhe atdhedashese jane shume te larta ne ate rajon.

Te pershendes shume!

armera said...

Soon or later justice gets served. We have waited over one century the true freedom is finally coming.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe Serbia hopes they will produce some nukes so they can achieve their ambitions..."

Actually Serbia should be nuked. Who needs these insects?

- Skënderbeu Shqiptari

Anonymous said...

"Maybe Serbia hopes they will produce some nukes so they can achieve their ambitions..."

Actually Serbia should be nuked. Who needs these insects?

- Skënderbeu Shqiptari

illyrianboy said...

Ivan,

You call this imagination. I call it utter ignorance of yours.

Now, in order to be ignorant of something mentioned in every book about Kosovo (or Albanians, and probably most books about Serbians) you either must be ignorant of those books (never read them) or be very stupid.

Here are some references:
Malcolm, p. 228; Vickers, p. 43; Judah, p. 12; Juka, p. 9-10

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/chap1.htm#n3

Anyway, the fact that you are finding out about that just now means a lot!

Visit Prishtina

I recommend you to read a book by Selatin Novosella: "Expulsion of Albanians from the Sanjak of Nish". He lists many Albanian villages that disappeared and gives an account of what happened on their march (in the cold winter). When I read that I was 15 I think, and it was shocking.

I have many friends with last names like the towns and villages they left like: Prokupa, Breznica etc. And many other familiar names to all of us like Mikullovci etc. are from that region.

Where I am from (Kosova valley) and in Anamorava and other areas people still identify as Muhaxhir (Refugee from Nish area) and Jerli (local). This means that the number of Refugees was big.

Jeton Mikullovci (of Koha Ditore) is the leader of their association and they were planning to sue Serbia for damages.

All the best

ivan said...

illyrianboy ,

hey i thought for you to give me some real references not the Historical institute of prishtina. For me thats all BS. Now please give me some real references, from universities outside of Prishtina.

Thanks.


DR Prishtina,

your academic head really amazes me. WOW, Ice cream means sladoled. I guess you are really advancing in your PHD? What is it about again?

How does ICE CREAM relate at all to our discussion? Maybe it haqs some special meaning in Albanian, i dont know.

Here is one for you:

Pljeskavica

Oh, here is another one for you guys that live in the US:

Hamburger

illyrianboy said...

OK ivan,

if you wanna ignore the Historical Institute of Prishtina then check out these:

Malcolm, p. 228; Vickers, p. 43; Judah, p. 12; Juka, p. 9-10

According to the Serb historian Milan St. Protic the Serbian-Turkish wars of 1876-78 'caused the most massive migration process in the Balkans in the course of the 19th century.

I stress he was a Serb.

Dardania 2006 said...

to Ivan and Cvijus

Let me explain what I meant by ICE CREAM:

Chocolate is known to have an effect of anti-depressant. Ice cream, especialy made of chocolate, can help you serbs overcome all the hate and grim feelings of depression you are feeling.

so...

HAVE ICE CREAM!!!!

Visit Prishtina said...

Ivan,

You asked what "Ice Cream" means, and I kindly explained to you what it meant. In these situations you expect a person to thank you for your kindness.

Instead, you insulted me.

It is not my fault that your English is poor. You could have asked the Illyrian Boy what he is trying to imply by the term "ice cream". If you don't know how to ask, how are we to guess what you meant by your question.

Illyrian Boy keep up the good work! I miss reading comments by Chris Blaku, I hope he is fine.

illyrianboy said...

ivan

where are you now? You just walk away when you are faced with something that you don't like.

Visit Prishtina

thanks man. i am sure Chris will come back.

Best

Anonymous said...

Switzerland_Supports_Kosovo Independence

20 January 2006 | 16:50 | FOCUS News Agency



Vienn. Swiss Federal Councilor Micheline Calmy-Rey said that the problems in Kosovo represent a huge burden for the entire region, the Serbian B92 reports.
Calmy-Rey said that Kosovo cannot afford to owe anyone money with its current status, because it cannot offer any guarantees that the money will be returned, added that this includes all monetary outlets, including international financial institutions, which is why much of the population remains unemployed.
She reminded that Switzerland stated before the United Nations Security Council on May 27, 2005, that it supports the immediate beginning of the Kosovo status discussions, and that putting Kosovo back under the sovereignty of Serbia is unimaginable and unwanted.
“Because of this, Switzerland supports the formal independence of Kosovo and supports the fact that the UN, through its Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari, is ready to begin the future status discussions.” Calmy-Rey said.

Cvijus011 said...

illyrianboy,

"Malcolm, p. 228; Vickers, p. 43; Judah, p. 12; Juka, p. 9-10"

When it comes to Malcolm, I read his book about Kosovo, but now my opinion doesn't matter. By many prominent historians he was accused of using an extremely subjective approach, as well as falsyfying the writings of emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus. About the others I really don't know, but I will check.

"According to the Serb historian Milan St. Protic"

Protic did write about these migrations, but one thing you're avoiding to mention is that he wrote about a total migration of nations. At the Berlin Congress of 1878 the Ottoman Empire obliged itself to withdraw the TURKISH minorities (colonists) from Nis, Vranje, Pirot, etc.
During the Serbo-Turkish wars of 1877-78, the ottoman army among their albanian units behind the trenches commited ethnic cleansing on the Serbian population in Kosovo-Metohija (you can check it in the writings of the german historian Kiepert) which continued and culminated with the Graeco-Turkish war of 1897 cause the Turks were afraid of the openning of a new frontier. This can be proven also from the writtings of the Austrian Peter Kukulj, who estimated together with his associate Milos Milojevic (Serb from Austria-Hungary) that a total of 400.000 Serbs were driven away from their homes (among them the famous Serbian writer Prizrenac)

illyrianboy said...

Cvijus
check the other authors, it wouldnt take a lot of time cos I gave you the page numbers.

The Ottoman empire was not supposed to widraw any population. On the contrary , one of the conditions to recognize Serbia's independence was to respect the populations of all ethnicities and religions in the newly occupied territories. As we know Serbia didnt keep their promise after they got independence.

Anonymous said...

wait i have an even better one tht no albo was ever able to answer; can you even show me 1 albanian source from prior to teh 19th cent. that claims you are illirain? haha start looking you will never find one! hahahah

Anonymous said...

Put it well in your mind you fucking fucking nasty serbs: ALBANIA means ILLYRIA. This is our land, we have been here since the primitive age. the albanian language is based of the illyrian language. thats a fact of every book of the history of the world. Has been writen in every ancient items, statue, monuments founded in albania. WE ARE THE ILLYRIANS. Serbs you are sllavs or russians, you came in ballkan as a barbarians. Go back in russia, MOTHERFUCKERS. BALLKANS belongs to GREEKS and albanians. FUCK EVERY SERB ON THE PLANET EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!! from TAULANTI, ELBASAN (ALBANIA).

Anonymous said...

WE ALLMOST GOT MACEDONIA 6 YEARS AGO. SERBBS: YOU ARE THE NEXT! (ONE DAY) , , , ,from ALBANOMANIA!

Anonymous said...

Leo,

This is for Ivan

I am Muhaxhir from Bucinca a village that does not exist now, but used to somewhere near Nish. My oldest aunt (80 now) says that Serbs killed and expelled my ancestors about 120 ago. My great grandfather’s family was killed and he was brought to Kosova as a kid by some of his relatives.
------------
I understand you are taught there in Serbia things that glorify and make everything look like its Serbian. That does not mean that you are right. Actually is quite the opposite.
As for facts just look what you did in Bosnia, and Kosova lately. Its the same ideology repeating itsealf.

webmaster said...

http://www.You4Dating.com

Vend Takim Online per te Gjithe.

1.Websiti yne eshte drejt dhe i shpejt per te Gjeture Shoke (Shoqe),Partner apo Fatin tuaj Online
nepermes Internetit,Deshironi te Kaloni kohe te Mire Vizitoni Websitin Tone.

2.You4Dating eshte eshte Websit ne Internet per ta Gjeture Fating dhe eshte 100% Falas.
Ne ju lejojm ju qe te hapeni Konton tuaj Falas dhe te Lejoni dhe Bllokoni Kedo sipas deshires suaj.

3. http://www.You4Dating.com , eshte website i ndertuar nga Shqiptaret e Anglis ku te gjithe ju jeni te Mireseardhure,You4dating.com
eshte website Profesional i Dezajnuar per te gjithe dhe Vizitoret kane Kontroll te Plote te Kontos se tyre: View messages
View messages ,Address Book , My data,My profile,Who seen profile,Change profile,Remove profile, Search,All users,Users online:,Visited profiles,Matchmaker, Options,Options,Change password,Ban list,My Favorites dhe shum te tjera.

4.You4Dating.com eshte Website Internacional per te gjithe pa marr parasysh se cfare Gjinie apo Feje Jeni,te gjith jeni te Mireseardhure.

5.You4dating.com eshte 100% Falas.Keni shkuar deri ketu s'ju pengon asgje dhe s'ju kushton asgje qe ju te Regjistroheni,Vizitoni Websitin qe te Filloni Takimet me Personat qe ju Deshironi,Faleminderit dhe Respekt.

http://www.You4Dating.com
-------------------------
http://www.You4Dating.com
-------------------------
http://www.You4Dating.com .

Anonymous said...

my wow gold buy wow power leveling cheap wow gold cheapest wow power leveling
replica replica rolex
CHEAP wow power level
BUY power leveling
CHEAPEST power leveling l