Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Borut Grgic: Engage Europe now (Koha Ditore)

The following article by Borut Grgic, director of Ljubljana-based Institute for Strategic Studies appeared in yesterday’s edition of Koha Ditore. The original copy in English was provided by the newspaper.

“With the US back in the game, the Kosovar leadership may feel comfortable about its position just before the opening of the status talks. Many, it seems, are linking US political re-engagement with independence, drawing an equal sign between the two.

While Kosova’s independence is the most-likely end result, it is by no means a predetermined fact. Washington has been explicit in its support of having the negotiations start this fall, but has been careful so as not to endorse any end solution. While on his trip to the region, Nicholas Burns refused to even speculate. This means Pristina needs to prepare for a tough negotiation which it will conduct directly with Belgrade, and not through the US or the EU.

If the Kosovar side stumbles during the actual negotiations process – i.e. if they are outfoxed by Belgrade – independence may become unattainable. It will be difficult to get international support (even US support) for independence once the negotiations conclude.

Serbs are excellent negotiators, let’s not forget that. They have outsmarted the international community on a number of occasions, and Kosovars already have experience with them from Rambouillet. Above all, there is an urgent need for a united domestic front in Kosovo. It will be difficult to do the negotiations, and make some of the tough compromises if divided at home. In fact, Kosova would be better off stalling the beginning of talks until this unity on the domestic front is attained. The chief of UNMIK, Mr. Søren Jessen-Petersen, is right to urge a grand coalition ahead of negotiations.

Second, stacking all the chips behind the US is close to a tactical error. The US is important, but so is Europe. Kosova needs to do more to engage the various European capitals on the highest political level, and even more on the Track II (expert and academic) level. Many in key European capitals not only think Kosova’s independence is a bad idea, but outright oppose it. The argument one often hears when traversing through conferences on the Balkans organized in Europe is that Kosovo lacks the capacity to be an independent state. They fear that if independent, Kosovo will amount to a failed state.

While these are obviously remarks based on poor judgment and understanding, Europe is not entirely to blame. The success which the Kosovars have had in terms of wining US Congressional sympathy is partly due to a comprehensive lobbying and explaining strategy set forth by the Kosova Diaspora living in the US. Second, Washington has been the favorite destination for Kosovar political leaders for year now.

The same commitment is missing across Europe. It should not come as a surprise then that EU governments generally tend to be skeptical vis-à-vis Kosovo’s independence. More can and must be done by Pristina to establish a comprehensive Track II engagement in Europe.

Aside form the fact that the EU will be a main ‘supervisor’ of the final status talks, the US despite its most recent diplomatic push, is slowly disengaging from the region. While US commitments grow bigger elsewhere – like in the Middle East – Europe is assuming increasing responsibility for stability and transition in the Balkans. Explaining to the US legislators and the Pentagon why the US presence in the Balkans is still necessary is becoming increasingly difficult. So rather than struggling to keep a power that does not want to stay committed, Kosovar leadership should engage with the EU. It the latter dimension that is presently fully missing.

The task for Prime Minister Kosumi is thus two fold. One the one hand, he should work to forge a sense of national unity before the start of the negotiations in order to maximize Kosovo’s political power at the actual negotiating table. Second, he should network aggressively across Europe, starting with countries closest to the region. It is paramount for Europe to better understand Kosovo – not least also because of the present internal crisis which has made many in the EU hypersensitive (in a negative way) to the Balkans. Second, the Serbs have made sure that Europe has heard their side of the story. Belgrade intellectuals are regular guests at conferences, and Serbian politicians visit with their European counterparts frequently. As a result, European perceptions may be skewed come negotiations time.

Only the US matters strategy will not work for the Kosova Albanians. It is too simplistic in light of the complexities surrounding final status talks.”


Anonymous said...

He makes a good point. You only need to look back to history and see that the European argument "you're not ready yet to be independent" was used all the time in the colonies in Africa. It took the US and the poor countries of the world to adopt a resolution against this in the UN.
The current prime minister has been doing a somewhat better job in talking to the Balkan and some European states.

Anonymous said...

Kosovar politicans are failing the Kosovars. Extreme lack of experience, and political talent is and will hurt Kosovar interests. All parties with no exception should get together and show their patriotism by having one common goal, and one way of achieving it.

Grgic's comments about the neglected EU don't hold much ground. The only reason why Kosovars should engage the EU and ask them formally to assist could be for post-independence period.

You don't have to look far back to realize that the US' is the final word in everything.

Anonymous said...

I agree that he makes a good point. However, it all depends on Kosova and its people were Kosovas future is heading. The EU is not going to change its mind about Kosova no matter the arguments. They have way too many skeletons in their closet and since they consider Kosova a muslim country (see french newspapers) they dont want it in their midst unless its subjugated, if not by the Serbs than by the EU. Just as it was the case in Bosnia EU allowed if not helped the purge of muslims by the serbs. Also we must not forget that it was EU that put more than 50% of albanian population under the slavic and greek rule. Also I believe that huge support for the serbs by the germans is to create precedent. So they can start crying how they got the short end of the stick in WWII (see the argument that allies carried out many crimes against germans and how germans got expelled from Poland and other parts of Europe.Sudetten Germans). But in any case it all depends on the resilience of Kosova's leaders under intense international pressure. Since the Serbs are much better than Albanians in propaganda albanians must rely totally in stubborness. I know that the threats against Kosova made by Solana, Davis and company might seem overwhelming but every Kosovar leader must know that the people of Kosova are behind them and we shall never, never,never give up.

Anonymous said...

Excellent article. I agree with the previous poster that leadership is key. They need to be aware of who they are dealing with (remember Rambouillet), and that weakness in Kosovar leadership's ranks puts the future of Kosovo in a very precarious position.

There will be only one opportunity to have this kind of final status negotiations; we can only hope that Kosovar leadership will put their best foot forward.

Anonymous said...

To the gypsy calling himself greek:
So if you own Balkans how come you are sweating about Kosova or Macedonia?

Anonymous said...

Hey Greek Guy, why don't you take a chill pill and quit posting your ignorant hatred.

Anonymous said...

This Borut Grgic is very much right. I want to know from an Albanian. I live in US and I follow media and I have friends that works in the government. I dont know where your "support from US-will help us get independence" comes from ? US supports Kosovo as much as Bulgaria as much as Afghanistan as much as Serbia. The Serbian "bad state" is long gone (except Karadzic and Mladic who soon will be caught for sure). I read about "ready to invest in Serbia and Montenegro" weekly. BEFORE March 2004, US where I agree more into independence for Kosovo, but not now. There is a pretty strong lobby here though, but in the end I would absolutely not dare to put my dollars on independence even if you might be worth it. No way I would.

Anonymous said...

Previous poster, read the article again! The argument was not if the US support is on the bag or not, for that is assured, but if its enough withouth the EU. Most Kosovar politicians don't give a damn what Europe thinks.
Although they are guilty of not trying to win over Europe, in many ways the potential of such a relationship is slight as Europe is still looking for a backbone.

P.S. A great collage btw. I loved Rev. Al Sharpton's comment. Ride the donkey, yehaaa!

Ferick said...

This guy got just about everything wrong. This is not because I dislike his opinion- It simply is wrong. EU doesn't have the balls to impose a solution to Kosovar Albanians. The US, on the other hand, does. The reason Serb leaders keep talking to EU is because their arguments won't fly in Washington. They visited Washington a couple of times, but didn't achieve too much.
I will tell you how this will work out:
Negotiations will be meditated by the EU leaders. They will talk talk and talk. Neither party will give in. EU will call on US for help (and to save its face- again they don't have balls to impose anything). US will ask- let me see what you have so far. They (US leaders) will find what the EU solution too complicated. The US will offer its own solutions with Europeans clapping their hands and claiming another European "success" story. And Serbs and Albanians? Serbs will continue barking (no fair solution will satisfy them) for decades to come claiming unfair treatment. They will dream about “justice". Kosovo will go through some tough times intially, but after a decade or so it wills stabilize. EU will continue celebrating her virtual "super power" status.
Oh, and what will I be doing? Anybody what a take a guess?

One more thing. Bajram Kosumi should not bother visiting very many EU capitals. I would recommend him only London and Berlin. He is been in Berlin already, so now London should be on the list. Going anywhere else within the EU would be a waste of taxpayers money. Of course he is always welcomed to Washington!

Chris Blaku said...

The article was informed and well written, however it ignored numerous basic facts and historical precedents already well established in the World.

While acknowledging that Kosova's independence is the most likely outcome, the writer also hints at the vague possibility of a different outcome, based largely on America's lack of endorsement for independence. Common logic suggests that the US does not require to present any preferred outcome in the tense region, as that would disqualify it as a neutral mediator, a designation that would be quick to appear on a more anti-Albanian state, such as Russia or France. The fact that Nicholas Burns refused to speculate does not dispute the independence outcome, but rather supplements it as further proof of America's intention to remain unbiased and neutral in the negotiations, so as to leverage its ability to influence the outcome.

As the history of politics teaches us, when nations come to the table to "negotiate," they are well set in what they will accept, what they well allow, and how far they are willing to go. To suggest that the exclusive superpower in the World, the United States, has not yet made up its mind on its preferred outcome of Kosova's status talks is absolutely indicative of a lack of common reasoning on behalf of the writer. How can one possibly imagine that the United States is waiting for the status talks to begin, and to hear opening arguments, before forming its opinion on a preferred outcome?

It is correct that the Serbians are excellent negotiators, however the writer neglected to mention that they specialize in deceit and fabrications.

The writer moves on to suggest that the Albanians are wrong to stack their chips behind the United States, exclusively. While that may have a hint of truth to it, one must not forget the lessons of history, particularly the lesson of Israel. Despite international condemnation, and a virtual drought of foreign support, the Israeli state was recognized by the United States. The international community, as spiteful as it was anti-semetic, disapproved of the decision, however the recognition of the United States was real enough to force the United Nations to accept Israel.

The Europeans are important, however not nearly as much as the United States in this aspect. It was these same Europeans that were against the Iraqi War, however the United States moved forward despite their strong objections. It was also the Europeans that were against action against Slobodan Milosevic during the Balkan Wars of the 1990's, however American diplomacy and military might spearheaded NATO into action.

It is a juvenile assessment to claim that Kosovar politicians have a house that is not in order, when the reality is true of the opposing side, the Serbians. It was only recently that their Prime Minister was gunned down, and the political parties in Serbia are strife with distrust and a slow acceptance of the realities of independence for Kosova. Kosovar politicians, on the other hand, regardless of their mutual dislike of each other, are sure to not negotiate the overall demand of independence for the province, whether it be complete or conditional.

The writer claims that Europe fears for Kosova's future, which is of course incorrect. As stated in a blog, there are many bones in Europe's closet, particulary with regard to the Balkan situation. The mess created in the Balkans was the fault of European arrogance in allocating Albanian land to its expansionist neighbors. Europe does not fear that Kosova will amount to a failed state, for that would be its best case scenario. Rather, it dreads the reality of a powerful Albanian state in the Balkans, particularly due to the fact that Kosova is so rich with resources it may very well become a metropolis surpassing the wealth of any of its immediate peers. Such a force would be able to spearhead pro-American ideologies in the center of Europe (as shown in Muslim studies, Kosovars are 98% pro-American, the highest in any country in the World), as well as serve as a base of operations in the heavily strategic Balkan region.

The article however, is not without its merits. It would indeed be wise for the Kosovars to court the support of Paris, which will prove to become a wild card given its European Union membership, and its decreasing dependence on Russian support. Berlin and London would be wise allies in the war of words as well, with the latter being far more influenced by American decision makers.

The US has proven its commitment to the Balkans, despite strong criticism from obvious doubters about its lack of action. The US has an obvious political plan in play, whether or not they choose to lead the news reporters and political pundits onto their intentions is neither here nor there. Belgrade's intellectuals are not received well in Washington circles, so they seek an audience in the more tolerable facist states of Europe, where an ever increasing right-wing racist presence is felt (In the 1990's Italy's Northern League became the countries leading political party, Austria's Freedom Party, lead by Nazi sympathizer Jorg Haider, won 27% of the votes, Switzerland's People's Party, also Nazi sympathizers own 27% of the national vote as well. Norway's Party of Progress won 25 out of 165 seats in Parliament, and even in the tolerant Netherlands, The List won 26 Parliamentary seats with their immigrant bashing slogans. The British National Party, Hellenic Front in Greece, The Popular Party in Portugal and the German's People's Union are also up-and-coming racist groups).

6:07 PM Blogger: Serbia is very much a bad state, regardless of the movements towards democracy. Milosevic's Party still controls over half the seats in Parliament, and through the next elections, will control even more due to a strong Anti-Western sentiment that has been ever-growing under the Serbians. Serbia's aid has been discontinued, until recently, while Albania and Kosova have been ripe with economic aid under the United States, particularly with regard to the training of Albania's military forces. The EU is unable to render an unbiased solution on the Kosovar's status, the Americans on the other hand, will take the initiative, as they did with the Israeli situation in the 60's, to declare the nation independent in the face of international condemnation, yet again.

Anonymous said...

" The argument one often hears when traversing through conferences on the Balkans organized in Europe is that Kosovo lacks the capacity to be an independent state. They fear that if independent, Kosovo will amount to a failed state.

While these are obviously remarks based on poor judgment and understanding, " Actually, they are more obviously based on an understanding of economics, greography and politics which appears lacing in some quarters who agitate for Kosovan independence :

"You only need to look back to history and see that the European argument "you're not ready yet to be independent" was used all the time in the colonies in Africa."

Yes, and African colonies were granted independence - some faster some later. A marvellous success, which those same "fascist" Euro countries apparently do not want to repeat in Europe proper.

Anonymous said... they seek an audience in the more tolerable facist states of Europe, where an ever increasing right-wing racist presence is felt ....

pretty brain dead, where do you find facist states of Europe?

Anonymous said...

Fascist is too strong a term...colony-tolerant is better.

Anonymous said...

If you're an Eastern European, or African or Asian you will certainly feel the fascism of Europe. This is a fact, just come and live here :)

Chris Blaku said...

2:51 AM blogger: Perhaps you can outline for us the economic, political and geographic reasons that may spell Kosova's failure as a state?
Do you claim that only within the cloak of an already failing state, Serbia and Montenegro, that Kosova may seek successful refuge? Do you pretend
to be unaware of Kosova's vast mineral wealth, which is the very reason Serbia has always pursued its case so strongly?

Yes, the African nations met failure in their independence, however, that is because of their previous European colonialism, not due to an inability to
govern themselves, as people have obviously been living on the continent for thousands of years. Maybe we should have kept them under the yoke of
colonialism and continued to milk their resources and enslave their people, as you seem to suggest.

Europe is full of facist states, and it is commonly accepted that facism is more tolerable within Europe's borders (study 20th century history if you doubt it).
The Europeans have misused their powers in the World, and it is a sigh of relief that the United States is now the sole superpower.

Anonymous said...

(Blaku 11:56 pm)

1) "It is correct that the Serbians are excellent negotiators, however the writer neglected to mention that they specialize in deceit and fabrications."
----- Too bad this fact doesn't matter, because it has helped them get what they want in the past.

2) "...[O]ne must not forget the lessons of history, particularly the lesson of Israel. Despite international condemnation ... the Israeli state was recognized by the United States...[T]the recognition of the United States was real enough to force the United Nations to accept Israel."
-----I think you're drawing a strong parallel where there is a weak one at best. The Jewish lobby in the U.S. has IMMENSE and unparalleled influence. It is a different story with the Albanian lobby (they're good, but can't compete with the influence of the Jewish lobby).

3) "Europe does not fear that Kosova will amount to a failed state,[...] Rather, it dreads the reality of a powerful Albanian state in the Balkans, particularly due to the fact that Kosova is so rich with resources it may very well become a metropolis surpassing the wealth of any of its immediate peers."
--------Let's try not to get too far ahead of yourself. Albania's economy is one of the worst in the Balkans, not to mention Europe. Kosovo has no industry and a week market economy...and that is not only the result of the international presence there. I wouldn't start denigrating the major states of Europe before you get your own house in order. There is a very long way to go before countries should start fearing a "powerful Albanian state".

Chris Blaku said...

3:17 PM Blogger:

1) It is kind of you to agree with me on the point of Serbian fabrications and deceit on the negotiating table as well as through their propaganda.

2) It is true the Jewish lobby in the U.S. has immense (not unparalleled) influence, however, when the Israeli state was created in the 1960's, they had a fraction of the power they have today.

3) The obvious comparison between Albania and Kosova is irrelevant, as my economic argument was based on Kosova's rich mineral resources. Moreover, Albania's economy has been one of the fastest growing in Europe, with per capita GDP now equal to EU candidate Romania. For a decade or so of capitalism after four decades of Stalinist isolation, I would say that is not half bad at all.

If Europe does not fear a powerful Albanian state, then why so much resistence to Kosova's independence across the Atlantic? Why was there so much resistence to even recognize the nation of Albania by the League of Nations? Albania declared independence in 1912, was informally recognized by 1913, and its territorial integrity was not finalized by the League of Nations until 1921. There is an obvious bias in Europe which you must recognize.

Anonymous said...

People here claim that Kosova today needs Serbia and can’t stand on its own. There is a naive assumption here that Serbia itself has contributed towards the economic development of Kosova, the poorest federal unit of former-Yugoslavia. In reality the massive aid sucked in by Yugoslavia was conditional on spending it towards the poorer regions of the country. Once this American aid stopped, the Serb economy itself failed, and nobody in Kosova was expecting help from Serbia either. The periods of international aid to Yugoslavia and periods of economic development (or should I say subsidized well-being) in Kosova run parallel.
Serbia directly has had no positive impact on Kosova’s economy since the occupation. With the Serb economy in shambles and about seven years of wars during the 90’s, all Kosova got was taxation to finance the Serb war-machine, looting of its public property, and misuse of its resources. So you can argue that independent we will be able to survive slightly better that in the past 100 years. If nothing at all, we’ll have nobody to blame for our misfortunes. One thing is certain, we won’t miss Serbia’s hand.

Anonymous said...

Stop using the name Kosova. There is (for now) nothing that is called like this in the world:

////Congressman against American quasi-embassy in "Kosova"


Dear Colleague:
Section 1019 of H.R. 2601 (authorizing appropriations for the Department of State) calls for a report describing the possibility of providing consular and visa services at the United States Office Pristina, Kosovo to the residents of Kosova (emphasis added).

The Franks Amendment removes Section 1019 from the bill for the following reasons:

1. The name of the province, in international use and official U.S. use, is "Kosovo" - not "Kosova". The term "Kosova" is a one-ethnicity based pronunciation of the name of the province. "Kosovo" is a term in international use and it should be used as such in public and official correspondence, as is the United States' official policy. It would be highly prejudicial for the U.S. Congress to refer to Kosovo as "Kosova", by which it would recognize and imply that the province is only Albanian, and would ignore the minority populations living there. Albanians would have the same objection to the U.S. Congress referring to Kosovo as Kosovo-Metohija.

2. In the hour of future negotiations between Belgrade, Pristina, and the international community on the status of Kosovo, that no one can predict, Congressional action of this nature will be perceived as one-sided and prejudicial. Further, giving authority to the Secretary of State to empower the U.S. Mission in Pristina to render U.S. visas would be a dangerous precedent to set because the United States cannot render visas without the consent of the host country in accordance with the Vienna Convention. Therefore, conducting such a "report" is to ignore Serbia's role entirely and sends the wrong message.

3. The U.S. Consulate in Montenegro does not issue visas, why should the "office" in Kosovo?

4. Notwithstanding the political issue, the U.S. State Department has very practical concerns. Essentially, the U.S. Mission in Pristina does not have the facilities to do this. It has repeatedly indicated that there is a very real security issue (i.e. bringing people through the compound to do visa/consular services without the proper facilities or security apparatus to protect everyone).

5. Residents of Kosovo are currently able to obtain U.S. visas by either going to the U.S. Embassy in Macedonia (an approximate two-hour bus ride) or in Belgrade, Serbia. Residents around the world, for example in China, Russia, and India, often have to travel hundreds, if not thousands, of miles to obtain a visa. The current situation in Kosovo is not prohibitive, and in light of the serious diplomatic issues present, a report is not necessary at this time and sends an improper message.

In a controversial and sensitive environment, this Congressional action is not a diplomatic or prudent one at this time. Before we offer de facto independence and embassy rights to the people of Kosovo, we should let the status talks proceed as agreed to by the entire international community.

Jorn, Denmark

Anonymous said...

By saying stop using the term Kosova, Jorn, are you denying me the right to express my self?

Anonymous said...

Jorn and others,

Who gives you the right to decide how the people of Kosovo/a should call their country?!!! Nor should you care what bill US Congress passes, especially when it doesn't represent nor concern you.
In one point I strongly agree with President Bush. Liberty is a gift of God to humaniy, who are you to deny it to me?
Kosova does't concern you at all and I suggest you use your time to more productive means. (Getting laid comes to mind.)

Anonymous said...

Very good points from the Mr. Grgic, the slovenian expert. Nevertheless he forgot to remind the kosovar politicians of the following points:

1. Ask God for Help and Forgivness

2. Get united for your historical cause

3. Prepare for an official referendum recognised by the UN and present the results to the various international actors

4. In case such referendum is not recognized by the UN, force them to do so, by presenting the results to the rest of the World and officially declare what the Kosovars decided for i.e. declare independence in the parliament and let the world know what you want (use democracy as it is there to be used)

5. After having undertake the first 4 steps mentioned above, pray again to God, this time for the success and let the US, EU, UN and the World decide.

Anonymous said...

because Got, already decided.

Chris Blaku said...

That's really profound, the American bill to limit the use of Kosova's name officially to only Kosovo. Boy, I feel these walls crashing in already.

Can anyone tell me the point of the ridiculous blog?

Chris Blaku said...

It is correct that the common misconception is that Kosova was a welfare state, financed by the good will of Serbia and its extensive sense of philanthropy (sarcasm). In fact, it was the natural resources and minerals in Kosova itself, that have been instrumental in the building of the former Yugoslavia's finest cities, including, but not limited to, Belgrade, Sarajevo, Zagreb, Shkup, etc.

This is an all important fact that must not be overlooked, as it is most likely the reason for the Serbians demands to retain the province.

Realistically, what nation would want a rebellious province with a 95% foreign population that absolutely resents their culture, history and rule of law? A poor nation, on the brink of starvation that has kept its veins pumping by the aforementioned province's rich natural resources, of course.

Anonymous said...

To the Danish shit-for-brains:

32. H.AMDT.485 to H.R.2601 An amendment numbered 34 printed in part B of House Report 109-175 which strikes section 1019 of the bill, relating to consular and visa services in Pristina, Kosova.
Sponsor: Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] (introduced 7/20/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 7/20/2005 House amendment not agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Franks (AZ) amendment (A032) Failed by voice vote.

illyr jom said...


Anonymous said...

Man this guy from "Danimarka" sucks...

Chris Blaku said...

Leave it to the Serbians to avoid the obvious truth (that the bill was not considered) and show you the meaningless fact instead (that the bill was presented by a renegade congressman from Arizona, itching to catch a headline).

These are the people, after all, that rewrote centuries of history regarding the now-known-to-be most ancient people of the Balkans, the Albanians.

Anonymous said...

" regarding the now-known-to-be most ancient people of the Balkans, the Albanians."

Ahh, thats racist masturbation dude, and hardly correct. Despite the obvious langugaee differences, genetic studies (as opposed to nationalist rhetoric / "history") reveal there to be very minimal difference between Albanians, the Slavic Balkans nad the Greeks. All of one blood.

Chris Blaku said...

Perhaps you can quote these "genetic studies," or perhaps you can even do better, refer us to the specific genetic studies that helped you reach your far-fetched conclusion.

Genetic studies are faulty unless done on a completely massive scale, and even then, can be inconclusive in determining the overall origin of a nation or race, only the origin of a percentage of a nation or race.

For instance, if you trace the origin of a number of "Greeks," you will find that they were Albanians. However, that does not mean that all Greeks at one point were Albanians, which is the obvious conclusion a lot of nimwits would reach.

Anonymous said...

Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Dec;67(6):1376-81.

Y-chromosomal diversity in Europe is clinal and influenced primarily by geography, rather than by language.

The full article is in pdf

The Genetic Chaos blog lists many many articles on similar subjects

Anonymous said...

... that was introductory reading :). Now the specifics :

Eur J Hum Genet. 2000 Jul;8(7):480-6. Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania

"No significant difference was observed between Albanians and most other Europeans, despite the fact that Albanians are clearly different from all other Indo-Europeans linguistically. We observe a general lack of genetic structure among Indo-European populations for both maternal and paternal polymorphisms, as well as low levels of correlation between linguistics and genetics ...."

Genetics : The Albanians and Serbs and Greeks are blood cousins. Live with it.

Anonymous said...

I haven't had the chance to read the article but according to you the study says "no significant differences were observed" . If you are a scientist you should know that there is a difference although not very significant.

The outcome of a study is very much dependent how biased you are in choosing your experimental strategy. Who are your subjects? Where do they reside? A population study is not always straightforward and involves a great number of variables. If that study was a bit more inclusive i.e. involve the Albanians from the Malesia region of Albania i am sure that the "no significant difference" would have been a significant one.

I would also like to add that Genetics or shall i say Molecular Biology is a black and white story teller. Therefore, most of the time the way that story is told very much dependent on a good experimental strategy, which in this case should be a representation of all Albanians from different regions.


Chris Blaku said...

As said above, and as I stated earlier:

Who were the subjects in this test?
Where were they located?
Was this test conducted on a massive scale with all Albanians involved?

The reality is, studies like this succumb to manipulation quite easily. It is a known fact that millions of Serbians and Greeks are Slavicized and Hellenized Albanians, respectively. It is almost certain that the studies indicate a mixed bloodline on the other side of the pond, not the Albanians, who were by regional codes of law, usually forbidden to marry outsiders.

Anonymous said...

To the "gentical dude"

Your' right, they are all Illyrian to begin with. But only the Albanians have retained the language and some of the customs.

While other nations in the Balkans have been influenced and changed by other languages, powers, usurpers...