Monday, September 12, 2005
Serbian President: Kosovo’s Independence Absolutely Unacceptable for Serbia
Belgrade. The independence of Kosovo is absolutely unacceptable for Serbia, Serbian President Boris Tadic said and called Kosovo President Ibrahim Rugova for a direct dialogue, Serbian TV RTS reported. In an interview for Serbian agency FoNet, Tadic said the issue about Kosovo and Metohija is going to be solved very soon. That is why Serbia needs to carry out an active and clear policy defending its legitimate national interests by means of using the existing models in the international politics, Tadic emphasized. Serbia has to find allies, who will back it up, Tadis said. He added that in spite of the former differences between him and the government, there is a political consensus now in Serbia on Kosovo issue.
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Many things were unacceptable for Serbia, but they still happened. Yugoslavia does not exist today and that was unacceptable to Serbia. Just ride the wave, it is happening.
* the modern Albanians were not mentioned in Byzantine chronicles until 1043, although Illyria was part of the Byzantine Empire, and since the Illyrians are referred to for the last time as an ethnic group in Miracula Sancti Demetri (7th century AD.), some scholars maintain that after the arrival of the Slavs the Illyrians were extinct. [3]
* (see the Jireček Line) it is believed that most inhabitants of Illyria were Hellenized (the Southern part) and later Romanized (opponents say that some Illyrians were not Hellenized or Romanized, but maintained their own language, which may have been a proto-Albanian language). [4]
* most Illyrian toponyms, hydronyms, names, and words have not been shown to be related to Albanian, and they do not indicate that Illyrians spoke a proto-Albanian language (opponents say that many of these toponyms, hydronyms and names are Hellenized and Romanized; whether the change in form is dramatic or not is hard to know in a number of cases).
* ancient Illyrian toponyms (such as Shkoder from the ancient Scodra, Tomor from ancient Tomarus) were not directly inherited in Albanian, as their modern names do not correspond to the phonetic laws of Albanian [5]
* a number of scholars believe that Illyrian was a Centum language, though others disagree. If Illyrian was Centum, then it is unlikely that Albanian (which is Satem) is an Illyrian language [6]
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But a mess of Albanians die in the wave.
Has to find allies?!! The wolfe is eating his legs he still thinks he's dreaming. KS Serb minister layed out the outcome, the goal hasn't been reached but a lot of work in the right direction has been done.
It is impossible for serbia to lose kosovo we fought for kosovo 500 years ago and we will fight for it again. There is no serb that will sign a contract giving up kosovo.
Think of it like this
if the eu decides to give kosovo independence there will be 11 million people in serbia protesting and i am almost sertain that we will start a war. And a few more million in bosnia and croatia.
On the other hand if we let kosovo remain part of serbia there will be only around four million albanians protesting the ones in ablania and the ones in kosovo.
And it is much easier to fight the albanian army than the serbian army.
The serbian prince.
It is impossible for serbia to lose kosovo we fought for kosovo 500 years ago and we will fight for it again. There is no serb that will sign a contract giving up kosovo.
Think of it like this
if the eu decides to give kosovo independence there will be 11 million people in serbia protesting and i am almost sertain that we will start a war. And a few more million in bosnia and croatia.
On the other hand if we let kosovo remain part of serbia there will be only around four million albanians protesting the ones in ablania and the ones in kosovo.
And it is much easier to fight the albanian army than the serbian army.
The serbian prince.
Not only is the eu searching for a solution but we are too, for example our presedant and our premiers have been saying that
"BELGRADE SEEKS MORE THAN AUTONOMY, LESS THAN INDEPENDANCE FOR KOSOVO"
Now please tell me what is wrong with that? Or is it just that Albania is trying to invade serbia?
The Serbs dont start fights unless they are provoked and while the Albanians were living quitly and peacefully with the serbs we had no problem with them. But then when they started burning OUR farms and OUR houses than we had to react.
Now if you live somwere outside of Serbia or albania like Canada ur going to hear over the news that the serbians are the worst people in the world and that we started everything without a cause.
But ok heres a piece of proof that serbia didnt start the war in 1999
today people dont have a clue about that war after it was finished everyone has forgot about it (they really didnt forget the goverments just dont remind them about it) anyway if you do take kosovo today we will get it back tomorrow.
The serbian prince
The only probleme with what u say is at the end which says "the albanians want independence" the problem is that kosovo isnt albanians territory they never fought for it they never spilt there blood for it and the other faulse thing you said was that we were driven out first of all we were not driven out we signed an agreement saying that we would leave and i highly dont think that any country would want kosovo independant because kosovo is full of albanians albania has one of the worskt economies of the world their like yearly income is like 500 euros. its a joke. For anyone who want to find out something real about the wars in yougoslavia of serbia they should go to the following links.
http://oag.ru/reports/milos.html
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dserbian%2Btanks%26fr%3DFP-tab-img-t%26toggle%3D1%26ei%3DUTF-8&h=167&w=250&imgcurl=www.aeronautics.ru%2Fnws001%2Ft55.jpg&imgurl=www.aeronautics.ru%2Fnws001%2Ft55.jpg&size=17.9kB&name=t55.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aeronautics.ru%2Fnws001%2Fnews005.htm&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aeronautics.ru%2Fnws001%2Fnews005.htm&p=serbian+tanks&type=jpeg&no=4&tt=18
so what do you actually think is the best resolution for kosovo???
And one more thing if bush votes for
independent kosovo hel have 5000000
protestors in america because there are around that many serbs.
Can you explain what does it mean " More than autonomy less than Independent" What is this status' name. It has to have a name like both the independent status and autonomous status have names. Until today there are independent states and autonomous regions. This would be the first that would supposedly be neither. Also in this kind of creation that Draskovic ( who by the way during Milosevic time pledged to anihilate every Albanian in Kosova and who today swears he has an Albanian brother) would Kosova Albanians have their represenatives in the Federal Congress, in the federal government, in the federal army, in the federal police and all other federal institutions much like the Serbs are represented in Kosova's institutions today? Would there be a NATO presence to protect Albanians like it is protecting both Albanians and Serbs today in Kosova?
Serbia just lost wars in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova and the average Serb is thinking of starting another war. And then he goes and says Serbs are not that bad. You can't be good and wish for another war. The Romans fought for Kosova and other Albanian lands for more than 500 years and that was before there was any Serb around in the Balkans yet you don't see any Italians pledging for a war against us. Once Kosova gains its independence and with the US army base in Kosova the Balkans will leave in peace and finally all the countries will quickly progress and won't have to worry that some anachronistic Serb government official is in the mood for a new war and more blood to be spilled.
Ok Please awnser my question
What will hapen if serbia gets kosovo and what will hapen if the albanians get kosovo and please stop copying this stuff these are mostly amature reporters.
Hey dude look at the world the most succesfull countrys are the biggest countrys now use some logic if the eu decides to give u kosovo we will invade kosovo AGAIN and there will be a war just this time we wont let the refugease come back. and the link i gave was to only show how we were not pushed out of kosovo but how we servived 78 brutal days of bombings from the strongest countrys of the world and how we only had 7-13 destroyed tanks!!! the next war the world wont make such a big mistake first of all if there will be a war americas not going to help you because they have enough problems some countrys might help ypu but were going to get the help of serbia and greec so i think that the next war we will win.
And i can see that by behaving really well your going to get Kosovo because a few weeks ago there were 2 serbs killed there were a few bombs set of. On the roads there were terroristes terorizing cars that went by and robbing them well good luck.
I said if a war starts were going to invade and we didnt run away we were actually warned by the americans saying that if we didnt pull out of kosovo that they would start bombing savilian targets and we really didnt want to lose that many people.
As for seselj i dont know to much about him but if u listen to him in the court room he only talks about how nato was to blame for everything and stuff like that. Here il send you even another link.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dserbian%2Banti%2Baircraft%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3DFP-tab-vid-t%26fl%3D0%26x%3Dwrt&h=267&w=389&imgcurl=www.aeronautics.ru%2Fmap%2Fmap0035.jpg&imgurl=www.aeronautics.ru%2Fmap%2Fmap0035.jpg&size=48.2kB&name=map0035.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aeronautics.ru%2Fnatodown.htm&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aeronautics.ru%2Fnatodown.htm&p=serbian+anti+aircraft&type=jpeg&no=3&tt=5&ei=UTF-8
Sesejl & Milosevic claim that 1 million Albanians left Kosova because they feared the NATO bombings.
1. Kosovar Albanians requested the bombs themselves. If you weren't busy watching "Wag the Dog " on your state TV you would have seen Albanians all around the world rallying and asking for the NATO bombing. The Moto was " Just do it"
2. They bombed the center of Belgrade and the whole Serbia and I did not a million Serbs leaving because they were supposedly frightened. Why would a Kosovar Albanian be frightened because Belgrade is being bombed or because Serb military units in Kosova's mountains are being bombed by NATO.
The answer is simple. They were moved forcefully right before NATO started bombing and during the Bombings when the Serb army wasn't retreiving. All of those moving were children women and elders. Civilians who could not defend themselves. They had seen the massacres the Serb army did when people did not want to leave their homes.
If that is true why does milosevic have people in court that are albanians testifying that they left because of the nato bombings and plus nato also bombed pristan with cluster bombs that kill sivilians so thats y.
Because those are what Milosevic calls loyal Albanians. They worked for him, for the Serbian secret service. One of them lives in Belgrade while his family lives in Kosova. His son is going to testify against his father ( who worked for Milosevic).
If NATO bombed with those kind of bombs how come that the Serbs living in belgrade did not leave voluntarly. They could be killed to, they do not live to eternity. You're saying the same kind of bombs kills only Albanians then Albanians get scared and one million of them leaves. At the same time this bomb blasting in the center of Belgrade does not have the power to kill Serbs, so Serbs do not get scared and none of them leaves their homes.
Im just saying that they dont leave because they are brave in the face of danger when we were getting mombed we went and partied on the bidges creating human shields so that nato couldent bomb us and yes some serbians did leave if you didnt hear there are like 300000 serbians wanting to get back to kosovo but the probleme is that they have no more houses and that the albanians are torturing them. Did anyone see the state of our churches in kosovo we have some of the nicest churches and the albanians destroyed them.
Kosovo is the garbage dump of Europe. Most of the majority Albanians have no respect for land, environment, or even their own fragile and flimsy copies of Western (mostly US influenced) society.
There is garbage everywhere you look, %29 of the people pay their electricity bill, unemployment is rampant with estimates in the %60-80 ranges. For people so poor and unable to support themselves they still have one of the highest (if not the absolute highest) birthrates in Europe! Such a fact can only point to pure ignorance and is a real tragedy for the young Albanian children. Yet they have received endless aid money from western countries. For a territory so poor and backwards to make a symbolic "donation" of €400,000 to US hurricane Katrina victims is really a farce and almost explains such a peoples lack of thought. This is NOT your money to give, this is money GIVEN TO YOU to rebuild the slum you are currently living in.
The peoples living in Kosovo have changed little since Dame Rebecca's original visit where she remarks "These people and their tailors look like they first saw a western suit just yesterday". They are a century behind most of the developed world, not only in infrastructure, but also in mentality. The majority have no qualms about beating a woman for any reason whatsoever.
The Albanians can make up all the dreadful stories about the Serbians that they wish, but a few striking facts stand out: 1) The Albanians emigrated to Serbia from Albania for a reason, they were not forced but choose to live there. 2) Before the Balkan Wars, the average Kosovo-Albanian made 3 times the income of the average Albanian living in Albania.
Take from these facts what you will, but I believe the west has made a grave mistake in the Kosovo intervention, fearing another Bosnia in a situation that was clearly different.
So what you say is that only Kosova Serbs left under NATO bombs because they were afraid and they have no huses to turn back, while the Serbs in the center of Belgrade were brave and did not get scared of the same bombs the Kosovar Serbs got scared. Hmmmm, not logical at all.
"They are a century behind most of the developed world, not only in infrastructure, but also in mentality. The majority have no qualms about beating a woman for any reason whatsoever"
Ever been to Sumadija, in Serbia, this is exactly how it is there. Although nowadays they have western suits, and trainers (white trash like) with white sneakers, they still beat their wives.
Stop picking on the Albanians, racism doesnt get you anywhere.
Extract from Of War: Letters to Friends / Von den Kriegen: Briefe an Freunde, published by S. Fischer, Frankfurt am Main (2004)
Kosovo, 1999
Dear friends,
I have been back for two weeks.
I do not know how to answer the questions about my time in Albania and Kosovo. The experiences are present; the images, the smell, the sound – everything is clear and yet it is impossible to transform it into an adequate and intelligible narrative of horror.
We wish to believe that we are able to defuse threats by giving them a name. Rumplestiltskin loses his power when we guess his name. But sometimes Rumplestiltskin rages even when we know what he is called. Sometimes words cannot banish feelings, and their failure only increases our sorrow.
Maybe I simply don’t know where to start.
There: in the refugee camps where the deportees were stuck, the men silently sitting on the field, smoking, covered under coloured woollen blankets; the women bent over plastic buckets, washing the only clothes they had, there: on the fields where the corpses were decaying in the sun, in the hospitals with this inimitable smell of disinfection and death, there: on the overflowing marketplaces, in the devastated mosques – there we all had the same horizon of experience. We were all stuck in this world of pain and destruction. Within this context, all these horrifying scenes made “sense.” Of course, it all seemed unreal, and yet it was simultaneously too real for us to permanently call it into question. Our conversations and gestures were embedded in this context. It was a life within the same radius of violence.
Only now, back in Berlin, now when I am about to talk about that time, does its absurdity strike me. The experiences there are somehow separated from reality here, and it feels a bit like when I was a child at my grandmother’s and we would make biscuits, cutting out shapes in the dough. Maybe that is why journalists are considered disturbed cynics: because the reality that they describe is so disturbed.
That is the burden of the witness: to remain with a feeling of failure, of emptiness because even the most accurate account does not grasp the bleakness of war.
The task
We were in Tirana when the peace agreement was signed: the Serbian delegation agreed to pull out within 48 hours after the settlement from Kosovo and to withdraw to what was left of the Yugoslav republic. The air bombardment of the NATO alliance had lasted 78 days during which they flew attacks against government buildings in Belgrade, against positions of the Serbian army in Kosovo – but also against civilian targets: bridges, factories, power stations, the television station of Belgrade and various refugee treks, “collateral damage” as the propaganda unit in Brussels would call it.
At the end of the war, we travelled with the ground troops that had been inactive so far and the thousands of Kosovo Albanian refugees returning to Kosovo.
Our team in Kosovo included our Albanian driver Kuijtim Bilali, his nephew and our translator Noni Hoxha, Joanne Mariner from the organization Human Rights Watch from New York, whom we had met in the refugee camps in Albania, the photographer Sebastian Bolesch and myself.
We remained two more weeks in the war torn Kosovo and then travelled throughout the entire region. We saw how the young men – who had been hiding in fear of the Serbian militia – returned from the mountains. We saw the famished Kosovo Albanian prisoners with sunken eyes tied together on a truck. They were supposed to be hostages from kidnappings in Serbia, but now they had been forgotten. We saw how the Kosovo Albanians celebrated the end of the repression. We saw everywhere how the Serbian units had raged: burnt down farmhouses, demolished minarets of the village mosques. We saw the mutilated corpses where the Serbian myrmidons hadn’t had time to erase the traces of their deeds and to bury their victims. We saw the Serbian troops on their withdrawal, drunk from stolen booze. But we also saw Serbian civilians fleeing out of fear of revenge. We also saw the neighbourhoods of the Roma standing in flames.
Death and destruction
Since my return people ask me: “How do you cope with what you witnessed? How do you digest all the experiences?”
The answer is: you don’t.
There are certain impressions you cannot “digest.”
The sight of a seventeen year-old girl in the hospital of Prizren in Kosovo. She had been shot by a sniper the day before the allied forces entered Kosovo. She had a brain injury and urgently needed to be transferred to the hospital in Prishtina. Since that night she had been staying in a room with five badly injured men: Serbs, KLA-fighters and Albanians, the enemies of the war united in one overheated room.
You could hear her breathe.
She would probably die within the next five hours because the hospital could not transfer her to Prishtina – the Serbian troops had stolen the only ambulance for their flight at the end of the war.
The sight of a charred back of a dead catholic Albanian between hundreds of books in his house in Koronica. The muscles in the shrunk body were still recognizable – it looked like one of those charts from biology class where all muscles of the human body are schematically displayed. Except: the man in Koronica was brown-black, his burned flesh was porous and looked hairy like scratchy fur. Arms and legs were missing. Maybe they had been cut off, maybe they were burned completely, maybe it had been the dogs...
The Homeric heroes in the Iliad have less fear of death than the thought of being left unburied – outside the city walls – at the mercy of stray dogs. It always seemed rather strange to me that a living person would have to worry about his corpse being ravaged by dogs. I could not imagine a world in which dogs would run around with human limbs in their mouths.
It was the brother of the dead who brought us to this package of withered flesh. He walked from one room to the other, in a destroyed house, and talked as if it was still intact, and as if that bundle on the floor still had anything in common with the human being he grew up with.
And one does not digest: the sight of corpses without heads, cut off body parts, contorted bodies that had been pulled behind a truck for miles (also like a quote from Homer); the sight of bloated or burned corpses, some two months old, one week, one day.
And there is this one image I cannot forget: the foot of a male body that we found in a ravine on a field near Meja. I still remember those five centimetres between the black leather shoe on his right foot and the blue cotton trouser, a peasant uniform as I would get to see in the following weeks so often when looking at dead civilians. The corpse had been lying there apparently since 27 April.
In the meantime it had rained, and it had been hot as it can be in a Yugoslav summer. And there is one particular part of the image that haunts me, a small detail: those five centimetres between the tied shoe and the seam of the trouser. Without the clothes that proved that this had once been a man, there was only five centimetres of dead, living flesh. Nothing else.
And there was this sound, very quiet, first unnoticed, and then so penetrating in its repulsiveness that no taboo, no shame could repress my hearing it: a number of parasites was eating the rest of a human being.
And I cannot forget the ten year-old girl in Gjakova who stood in front of the burned out ruins of her former house and could not say two complete, intelligible sentences. She spoke without pausing, as if her speech was making sense. She did not stutter or hesitate, she formed one incoherent sentence after the other.
Finally we understood that in this house her father, her brother, her aunt and two cousins had been killed. Her uncle and her two other brothers had been arrested by Serbian units and deported the day before the arrival of NATO troops.
She told us, her father had fallen off the roof when celebrating the long-awaited NATO intervention. He had broken his leg and could not move when the Serbian soldiers arrived at their house. They had told the girl and her mother to leave the house – and killed everyone else in it.
I cannot forget how she stood there in her pink shirt, in front of her former living room wall, slightly oblique because the floor was no longer flat. And I cannot forget that she could not speak properly, and that she occasionally only stared at us and then continued to speak. And that she did not seem upset at all.
She was quiet and calm, and only every now and then did she seem irritated – when she realised that she did not know that trick anymore, the trick that someone had taught her, years ago, in another time: how to form sentences and makes sense to others. Then she paused and suddenly felt like a stranger to herself, and then she seemed to tell herself that these words that came out of her mouth were unintelligible.
Many journalists only arrived in Albania or Macedonia when the peace agreement was signed. But we had already been acquainted with the terrible events. We had been writing since April on the refugees and their fate, we had been listening to them: how their sons and husbands had been killed, what they had done before the crises began, where they used to live, how they were expelled, how many hours they had walked till they had reached the border, when they had last seen their brother, where they were standing when a Serbian officer pulled a woman out of the refugee trek, how they had been hiding in a barn.
At the end of the war, when we entered Kosovo, we knew exactly where to go and what to expect there. We had a map of killing in our minds – even before we arrived at the places of the massacres.
But that meant that we could not relate to those tormented bodies as neutral bystanders towards anonymous corpses. But after weeks of interviewing survivors in the camps in Albania, photographer Sebastian Bolesch and I knew the story of many of the dead, we knew whether their wives or children had survived on the other side of the border.
It also meant that we could imagine the corpses before us as fathers and brothers, as peasants or writers. We could imagine their previous lives, and sometimes we knew the relatives in Albania.
Impossible to gain distance.
But it was also conciliatory: to remember the real person, the living father or brother or cousin or neighbour; to ask for their story and narrate it; to recreate in writing a world that was supposed to be destroyed; to give each of these stinking, faceless bones a name again and not to turn one’s back.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/arts-Literature/war_letters_2826.jsp
People of the world on tv they tell you everything that you want to hear the reporters report everything that you want to hear but my friends the end result is different. 15 years ago on Kosovo there were no albanians there was no war there were peacefull serbs. Today in Kosovo there are 90% albanians there is war there is terror our churches some of the most beautifull in the world were destroyed and you still hear over the tv that we did this. Well i leave you the decision to decide what really happened. The serbs have nothing to do with this.
And you still hear these days that there are albanians bieng tortured well do the math who is really terorising who??? Most of serbians on Kosovo are old and incapable and most of the Albanians are young. So this is the end of my message.
The serbian Prince.
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