Koha Ditore reports in its lead story that the key international mediator Martti Ahtisaari is convinced that the issue of Kosovo will be concluded this year.
Quoting a ‘reliable’ source from Vienna, Koha Ditore reports that the negotiations on Kosovo status will be concluded at the end of November and the solution that will be decided will be applied even if Belgrade does not accept it.
“Ahtisaari is convinced to conclude the work by the end of November,” said the senior European official, says the paper.
The unnamed official said in an informal meeting where Koha Ditore was present that Serbs should sober up and face the messages related to Kosovo status that the internationals have been sending for months now, because the prevailing opinion in Ahtisaari’s team and also among other key international factors is that Belgrade will not accept the solution and that the international community is preparing to move forward even without Serbian consent.
According to the same source some Kosovo Serb representatives have told Ahtisaari that they are ‘fed up’ with the current situation and that they just ask for ‘guarantees for security and autonomy’ and they would accept the solution agreed in Vienna.
The source further said that it is essential that Russia has changed its stance and that it no longer supports the division of Kosovo. “Until recently Russia supported the option of dividing Kosovo in two parts, but now they have changed their position and are no longer an obstacle,” it said. Furthermore, the Russians have made it clear to Kostunica, but he pretends not to hear, says the source.
In a separate box within the article Koha Ditore says that, according to a senior diplomatic source, Serbs complained to Ahtisaari that Kosovo shouldn’t be taken away from them because of Milosevic as it would be unfair. “You cannot punish us for something Milosevic did,” they told him. “But we cannot reward you, either,” Ahtisaari is quoted as replying.
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I really dont understand how clear it should be made to Serbia, that Kosovo is becoming an independent country. The Contact Group has indicated in their guiding principles that: no-partition, no pre-1999, no unificiation with other countries, and will of the people of Kosovo. Hello.
They (Serbia) are either deaf or in total denial of whats going to happen. Maybe its better for them to understand that these talks are not about the future status of Kosovo, but they are about the future composition (political, economical) of an independent state of Kosovo. The sooner they understand this, probable the better for the Kosovo Serbs. If they dont understand this, as it seems, the international community will impose its will (and the people of Kosov's will) of declaring an independent Kosovo (with or without Russian and Chinese approval, although it seems almost clear that Russia is unlikely protecting Serbia's interests).
First anonymous. Don't be stupid. The UN never intended in resolution 1244 that Kosovo be independent. It is Serb land and will be Serb land forever.
it was never a serbs land. and it will never be. and you don't be smart either.
Hey Serbian Blogger-Defender,
First and foremost, the goal of 1244 is to" Facilitate a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648). Now if you dont know the Ramouillet accords please let me remind you it includes "the will of the people" too. If you want to ignore what that really means in Kosovo, populated 90 % with Albanians who demand independence, that you only prove my point of either being deft or in denial. In terms of being Serbian land (forever), those thoughts were ones protected "heroically" in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and finally Kosovo. You really did a great job in keeping them yours.
Well this is nothing very new really.
first anonamous its pretty clear that Kosovo will likely gain conditional independence. That doesnt mean that the Serbian government has to agree with that. They are still allowed to oppose this or try to convince the internationals that it is a mistake.
Serbs are people too and their will is to remain a part of Serbia.
I agree that the Serbian people are people too. However, in this case, the only will that will matter is that of Kosovo's people. Serbs can try and work of not recognizing this outcome, but that wold put Serbia against the international community's will. I dont know if that is very smart considering Serbia's economic and political position today. In the end, Serbia will be the first to recognize this outcome for their own benefit. Its Belarus or Brussels my friend.
Serbs make up part of Kosovos people.
Serbia will always be against the international communities will as long as Serbs who fought in Bosnia are alive. Why givie up the Serb Holy land happily.
can you explain what do Bosnian Serbs have to do with this? Its Kosovo Serbs decision.
AS long as Serbs are wanted by the hague Serbia will be punished as they are seen by Del ponte as their supporters.
Very strange and very dangerous !
I read a lot of western media and talk in my profession with hogh rank officials from world wide, British, Americans, Germans, Spannish etc. And NO ONE of them thinks Kosovo will be independent. On the other hand, Kosovo media keeps pumping in lies what is said and rumours from different meetings in Europe and elsewhere. I find it VERY strange and VERY unfair to make the Kosovo Albanians think that they will gain independece. It is totally crystal clear to everyone outside Kosovo, that Kosovo Albanians will gain alot of this deal, but not be an independent country. I dont care what you think or want or wish, but the fact is that you will see for yourself what will be the solution. You will be surprised and angry.
Lee L, FL
way to go Lee, and by the way, LET US BE FREE. (with or without your approval, or of those high rank officials you are in contact with) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .......
Lee will you shut up, are you high on crystal meth? The Kosovar Media is not making up one line, in fact it's accuracy range is increasing more and more. The fact is Kosova is going to be independent with at least 92% support. It's not only Albanians that want independents but also the Bosniacs, Turks, etc.
Kosova is not serbia's holy land, I'm sorry to dissapoint. Just because you claim it, it doesn't mean shit. I could claim belcrap my holy land, should I get it because I'm claiming it now?
Why is Serbia the only country in the world told to forget its history. Serbs never will do that. NEVER!
what's good for shiftars is good for serbs...shiftars want independence? Serbs want independence from shiftars. It cuts both ways. Divided Kosovo is the only way forward.
www.washingtontimes.com
Kosovo Consternation
By James "Ace" Lyons Jr.
May 9, 2006
Among the most important priorities of U.S. global policy is combating the international traffic in drugs and in persons (often a euphemism for women and children forced into prostitution).
Because of the linkage and overlap among terrorist networks and organized criminal gangs, the battle against trafficking is also an integral part of the war on terror.
Fighting organized criminal activities is difficult even in countries with a functioning legal system, honest police and the rule of law. Think how much harder that would be when dealing with an independent country where the authorities are an integral part of the criminal enterprise.
Amazingly, that's what the international community seems to want to help establish in the Serbian province of Kosovo. When Kosovo was placed under United Nations administration and NATO military control at the end of the 1999 war, some hoped the province soon would meet at least minimum qualifications for some kind of independence, as demanded by Muslim Albanians who greatly outnumber the remaining Christian Serbs.
That hasn't happened. Instead the drug, sex slave, weapons, money-laundering, and other illicit trades that helped fuel the conflicts of the 1990s have continued to grow. Just this month Marek Antoni Nowicki, Poland's leading human-rights lawyer and the U.N.'s international ombudsman for Kosovo until last year, denounced the "real criminal state in power" in Kosovo, working right under the nose of the U.N. and NATO. "Crime groups have been able to operate with impunity," said Mr. Nowicki. "These networks can rely on the weakness of the public institutions to sanction their operations." Mr. Nowicki's charges came on the heels of a March 2006 report by the U.N.'s internal watchdog agency, the Office of Internal Oversight, which found the head of U.N. Mission -- who holds virtually dictatorial powers -- derelict for ignoring fraud and other abuses at the airport in Kosovo's capital, Pristina.
None of this should come as any surprise. Even in 1999, when the Clinton administration decided to take military action in support of the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), there were numerous and credible intelligence and news reports of the KLA's criminal and terrorist inclinations. Predictably, KLA veterans found even more opportunity to ply their illicit trades when, ostensibly demobilized, they were recruited by the UN into Kosovo's police, civil administration, and quasi-military "Kosovo Protection Corps." The foxes were asked to guard the chicken coop -- another U.N. fiasco.
As described in reports issued by the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, criminal activity in Kosovo continues to be closely tied to operations of the Albanian mafia across Europe, from home bases in Kosovo and adjacent areas of Albania and Macedonia. For example (from 2003): "According to the International Organization for Migration and EUROPOL, the principal supplier countries [i.e., for trafficked women] today are Moldova (up to 80 percent: many Moldovan villages do not have any more women), Bulgaria, Romania and Ukraine. The networks used various routes, including the route that passes through Kosovo, Albania, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (see the village of Veledze, the regional centre of prostitution) and Montenegro, then through Italy. The Albanian mafia has set up a real cartel on prostitution. It handles more than 65 percent of the trafficking in women in the Balkans." From 2004: "In Kosovo, as many as 80 percent of internally trafficked victims are children."
The response of international bureaucrats to this disgrace is predictable: ignore it and hope nobody notices. Or even better, pretend all is going well, declare the mission a success -- and hand power over to the criminals as the new sovereign "government."
If that happens, even the minimal interference in the Kosovo-based gangs' operations will be removed. A criminal state not seen since the defunct Taliban regime in Afghanistan will be set up with easy proximity to the rest of Europe.
Such an outcome would make a mockery of some of the United States' most important global security priorities. While the international community desires some sort of "closure" to the ongoing mess in Kosovo (and this is understandable), it is hard to think of a supposed solution worse than independence. Seven years after the 1999 war, this is one Clinton legacy that demands urgent reconsideration.
James "Ace" Lyons Jr. is a retired admiral in the U.S. Navy. He is a former commander-in-chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet (the largest single military command in the world), senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations and as deputy chief of Naval operations and was principal adviser on all Joint Chiefs of Staff matters.
...and that from the military that saved your miserable corrupt asses...
Blogger 6:33 PM.
I also read this by this very high ranking officer yesterday.
The Albanians in Kosova still think they have our support. Probably they have not followed our media the last two months. Thee is very little support from our government to make Kosovo a new country, but they dont realize that. Serbia is also stupid not to hand over Mladic. As Lee wrote earlier, I also follow media and have some friends in both UN and in our government and I dont think for a second that Kosova will be a new country. No way.
Eddie, Boston MA
I too, think it is unfortunate the Mladic and Karazdic aren't in custody...Ceku should be too, for that matter...and Haradinaj should be back in the Hague...Orwellian days we live in...we will have Kosovo here in the US with the mexican illegals---it will happen here...illegals demanding rights.
...more on albanians 'multi-ethnic' kosovo....
Wednesday, May 10, 2006
Albanians stone bus
V.N., May 9, 2006
KOSOVSKA MITROVICA - The bus transporting Serbs from Osojane to
Kosovska Mitrovica was stoned on Tuesday in the Albanian settlement of
Rudnik in northern Kosovo. The only consequence was material damage.
Bus driver Aca Trajkovic said that the bus, which was clearly marked "UN",
was transporting approximately 60 Serbs, among them a large number of
children and elderly, when it was stoned in Rudnik at about 9:30 a.m. Two
side windows were smashed.
The incident occurred near a local school during the long break when there
are a large number of children as well as adults by the side of the road, he
said. He added that the bus has double windows; only the outside windows
were broken and consequently none of the passengers was hurt.
Trajkovic reminded that this is not the first attack on this bus, which
provides regular service on Tuesdays and Fridays so that residents can go
and buy basic necessities in northern Kosovska Mitrovica.
Yesterday's incident is the second attack on Serbs in this part of Kosovo in
the last three days. Recently near Kosovska Mitrovica a vehicle driven by
Father Srdjan Stankovic came under armed attack but no one was injured.
an article written about what an "anonymous" person says....now that's credible..lolol
to anony and mexicans of the US and Albanians of Kosovo--it is being written about in the US media now.
Kosovo in America
By Accuracy In Media: (05/08/2006)
Many Americans scoff at the idea that Mexican-rights activists might someday reclaim most of the Southwest United States as Mexican territory. It can't happen here, they say. But it is happening in Serbia, where the United Nations (with the assistance of the U.S.) is working to grant autonomy or even independence to Kosovo, a province of Serbia, on the grounds that it has an Albanian majority.
As a U.N. press release put it, "Independence and autonomy are among options that have been mentioned for the province, where Albanians outnumber Serbs and others by 9 to 1." Our media also highlight this fact.
But as William Dorich notes, in our AIM Report, "The media tell us that Albanians are a majority of Kosovo but never publish the fact that 40 percent are illegal aliens who cross the border into Serbia as easily as Mexicans cross our borders each night in San Diego." Dorich notes that Serbs have been made nearly extinct in Kosovo but were a majority of the population in 1939.
The question then becomes: what kind of precedent will Kosovo set for the rest of the world, including the U.S.? The process entails the dismemberment of a sovereign nation state. Could it happen here?
It's not as far-fetched as you might think. If the United Nations continues its support for "indigenous peoples," as the Mexicans in the Southwest U.S. define themselves, the U.S. could become the next Serbia, and the Southwest could become the next Kosovo.
The outcome of this controversy is the survival of America as we know it.
Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of the AIM Report.
Lee and Ed,
Since when the US gov. moved to Florida and Boston? Come to think of, what newspapers you are reading that have indicated that Kosovo is not becoming independent. NY Times, WPOst, the Economist, among others have all had an article or an op-ed piece indicating clearly that Kosovo is moving towards independence. What are you guys reading? Tanjug, RTS?
Lee and Eddie, wow, quite different from Ivan and Cvijus. LOL. When did you guys get the citizenship? How was the test? I bet it took you a year to learn the history part of it, keeping in mind the BS your heads are filled up with. Anyway, what you say is absolute BS.
ps. check out Newsweek
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12616474/site/newsweek/
here it is, so you wont have to search: "The U.N. is expected to declare Kosovo the world’s newest country later this year—perhaps even as early as this summer."
He he- Lee and Eddie. How nice guys from Florida and Mass caring about what headlines are saying about Kosova. Last time I checked there is quite a big percentage of Amricans that can't find New Orleans on the map-but Kosova they even know the headlines. Nice masquarade pitiful serbs- bravo...
63% of Americans can't find in the map New Orleans. I know because I'm Ameriacn myself. On the contrary what these "Americans" are claiming I can tell you that USA is looking forward to setting up a new democratic state in Europe. It's time America did this, the same idea was applied when Europe tried to set a multi-ethnic country in europe which was called "yugoslavia." But it is clear that serbs can not live without anyone peacefuly without murder and corruption. More and more America is supporting the Kosova system while we watch serbia hold the whole world captive with their terrorism. After we're done with Iraq/Iran we should evade serbia and bring all these crimes into justice.
John H.S
America
As I knew 3 months before NATO started bombing Serbs, and the strategy they had in mind to do this, I know now that Kosova is going to be independent. For the first one quite frankly I didn’t believe them, now I have no reason not to.
One other proof is the stance of Switzerland. Let me ask you something. When was the last time you heard Swiss come up with such a clear declaration as is the case with Kosova?
So my friendly advise is, get a real name and get real for once in your life.
Enjoy the show, as it is coming close to start unfolding.
IF it does manage to get independence, what does this outline?
1. New Flag
2. They will be Kosovars i.e. not Albanians or other
This is a problem. Of all the Kosovar Albanians I know this will take away the essence of their lives. No longer an Albanian!
This stage of change will be more volatile than the current situation, and I will expect civil unrest to be high on the agenda.
Since it is clear that independence will be granted, I have noticed political and business prominent of Kosovo(a) making strong moves on Macedonia. These moves are Albanian directed and impose grabbing power/land. From what I heard they plan to increase the Albanian population over the next two years with concentration on the side of Skopje by an 15%.
I work in Macedonia and many although born in Macedonia are hard core Albanian Nationalists.
In all this is a problem with identity, and its a dangerous fixation. If the fight of Kosovo manages to be resolved, although I feel independence if far to premature for its people, situation and economic climate, that Macedonia will become the new Kosovo Problem, however far more tactful and organized, and in turn extremely difficult to control or find solutions.
Kosovo has been a good political training ground for the Albanians and Muslims in the heart of Europe paid for but the Internationals. I suppose that is capacity building?
Kosovo and Metohija is land that is serbian despite current political decision.
Has been and always will be. What has been taken away by force, will be taken back by force too - sooner or later.
Botched Kosovo intervention dims hopes for peace
By Christopher Deliso
Originally published May 10, 2006
SKOPJE, MACEDONIA // Averting a humanitarian catastrophe was NATO's stated justification for bombing Serbia and its Kosovo province in 1999. But initial successes quickly succumbed to the reverse ethnic cleansing of more than 200,000 Serbs and other minorities by Albanian militants.
Now, despite seven years of U.N. policing and donor largess, Kosovo's remaining minorities still live in fear, and the economy and infrastructure remain in shambles.
Behind their façade of optimism, Western leaders negotiating Kosovo's future status are panicking. Realizing that Albanians will violently contest any continued affiliation with Serbia, they believe independence alone can ensure peace. Yet Kosovo is a classic quagmire, one with ominous repercussions for peace.
Deciding Kosovo's rightful ownership is difficult. It pits two peoples, and two hallowed principles, against each another. Albanians - 90 percent of the population - invoke self-determination to justify independence. Yet Serbian cultural legacy goes back seven centuries in Kosovo, which was only independent when Adolf Hitler's Albanian allies briefly enjoyed their Nazi puppet state. Further, U.N. Resolution 1244 in 1999 affirmed Yugoslav sovereignty.
Kosovo's independence will be conditional, promises the West, on its treatment of minorities. Yet nothing can realistically enforce compliance. If the Albanians continue intimidating Serbs, penalizing them by delaying NATO or European Union accession will have little impact; an advanced Balkan candidate, Macedonia, won't enter NATO before 2008, or the EU before 2013.
A well-informed international official predicts remaining Serbs will flee within 10 years of Kosovo's independence. So by the time Kosovo gets anywhere near NATO or EU accession, the minority issue will be moot.
Albanian attacks against Serbs still occur amid an atmosphere of a siege mentality. If the last Serbs are expelled, Belgrade's remaining argument for possession will vanish. Its first argument, for cultural heritage, no longer applies because since 1999, over 100 Orthodox churches, some 700 years old, have been damaged or destroyed by Albanians - thus eliminating Kosovo's most lucrative tourist attractions.
Further, the United Nations dismayed Kosovo's minorities by making a man who once terrorized them prime minister. Albanian war veteran Agim Ceku, whose name was removed from Interpol's wanted list after fierce U.N. lobbying, is accused of widespread atrocities while serving in Croatia's military and while leading the Kosovo Liberation Army in 1999.
Mr. Ceku's close associate and another veteran, Ramush Haradinaj, was indicted by the Hague Tribunal. Nevertheless, Mr. Haradinaj is now free to participate in Kosovo politics though he's technically an indicted war criminal awaiting trial.
Such privileged treatment reveals the fatal flaw of the U.N. mission. Canadian police Detective Stu Kellock, who headed the U.N. Regional Serious Crimes Unit in 2000 and 2001, says investigations implicating Albanian politicians or their associates were routinely blocked. The orders came directly from Washington, London and Brussels. Mr. Ceku and Mr. Haradinaj control Kosovo's militant factions and are considered heroes by Albanians. An anxious United Nations continually has sought to stay on their good side through appeasement.
Independence is a mere panacea for Kosovo's Albanians. They will remain poor. Erstwhile Albanian refugee workers - Kosovo's real breadwinners - will be sent home by European governments sensitive to popular anti-immigrant sentiments. Minorities will flee as nationalist militants remobilize to purge Serbs and annex Albanian-inhabited areas of Macedonia and Montenegro.
Bosnian Serbs, as well as Bosnian Muslims in Serbia's Sandjak region, also could demand self-determination.
Alarmingly, the West has no Plan B for ensuring Balkan peace. Plan A - open borders through eventual NATO and EU membership for all - is far off and ignores the anti-expansion sentiment among EU electorates. Membership may never arrive. The Balkans might well drift aimlessly.
In early 1999, Kosovo was a brutal but contained local conflict, relegated to villages. Botched Western intervention has made it a potential precedent for multiregional warfare.
Christopher Deliso is an American freelance journalist in Macedonia and director of an independent Balkan-interest Web site. His e-mail is cdeliso@balkanalysis.com.
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Cvijus,
Your friend at Harvard must have issues. There are minimum 30 Albanians (from Kosova) that I personally know of at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government. Come on know, hate aside, try to be more objective! When you can't win an argument, don't try making up bullshit. Quit with your Serbian inferiority complex instilled for years by Austrians. Remember, that doesn't mean you should ATTEMPT to make others feel that way.
BTW a PhD candidate over here, too.
Cvijus
How can you say you don't have a complex. Look at your history in the past 15 years only. You started a war with Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosova and are in the rifts with both Macedonia and Hungary and Montenegro is struggling to move away from you. On top of that you got most countries of EU to bomb you, inclusing your allies France and Greece.
That being said I refuse to belive that there is some consiparacy against Serbia as your politicians have made you believe. Afterall what is your strategic importance in the world? Not much really just a landlocked state.
Wake up mate and see that you have caused nothing but pain and suffering to all your neigbhours with your paranoia and delusions. Yet you have failed to recognize this and turned it around by claiming you are the victim. Propaganda can only take you so far.
you puke"which followed the prosecution of many eminent albanian intellectuals, such as dr. Kaplan Resuli who spent 37 years in prison, for proving the Illyrian theory wrong."
you only mention one where are the many? I dont know what school you are studing for your phd but if a school kid had your logic he/she should be ashamed of themselves.
Cvijus,
I don't see a point in discussing things like Albanian - Illyrian connection when your starting argument is completely wrong. You begin by DENYING the history of Albanians. Until you Serbs realize that it's wrong to deny the true history of others and doing that, shamefully, based on Serb propaganda meant to undermine others, there will be no point in attempting discussions. Put yourself in that position, if I deny everything you are, I wouldn't think you'd want to go further. Moreover, if you knew a little Albanian, the Illyrian-Albanian continuity would be more than common sense, since you'd find clues all around. The Albanian language wasn't CREATED during the times of Austria-Hungary, unless your Serb compatriots taught you that as well and naturally, you believe it. If the Albanian-Illyrian continuity started bothering Serbia during Austro-Hungarian times, it doesn't mean that that is the time it started to exist. Anyway, since, again, you begin this all with no sensible basis, I wont really bother any longer.
Regarding the comment on Albanian students from Kosova at Harvard, Princeton and Yale.. Gee, I wonder why there weren't that many before 1999? No further comment on that.
--Anonymous 10:47 AM
Cvijus,
Persecuted Albanian intellectuals during Hoxha time? Sure, include Koqi Xoxe who had plans to incorporate Albania into Yugoslavia with FULL support from Serbia financially. I commend mr. Enver Hoxha for getting rid of such traitors. Ever wonder why Serbs cared so much as to name a street in Ferizaj based on his name? Imagine what plans they had: we'd have Serbs from Durres to Saranda today claiming that Albanians are just immigrants who are asking for too many rights that they don't deserve and are not appreciating the Serb helping hand in letting them go in Albania from God knows where. Pathetic.
"But tell me, from the initial framework (not regarding the tools) what was the difference between the fight of Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia and you in Kosovo? Note that Serbia and Montenegro (at that time SRJ) were NOT at war with Croatia and Bosnia."
So wait it was OK then for Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia to fight those governments- but when Albanians did it to you you refer to them as terrorist. You can't play both sides of the coin. Either the government's were terrorist organizations for suppressing their minorities, or minorities were terrorist for killing the tools of the state. In either case your argument stands to lose with Kosovo situation. So don't bs your way out.
Also as far as serbia not supporting serbs in croatia and Bosnia that is b/s. We all saw what happened in Knin once that support stopped.
Cvijus,
I will stand on linguistic facts alone, as they prove to be enough. Can you show me Serbian similarities to Illyrian?
Dardania - Dardhe/Dardhania
Troja - Troje (Truall sing.)(land)
Priami - Prijesi (leader)
Hyllus - Ylli (star)
Ilir - I Lire etc etc. (a free person)
The names that you mention were created post Illyrian times and Prishtina has absolutely no connection to Serbian, original was Ulpiana. It'd be great if they were changed back to the original names post-independence, which I think will probably happen. BTW what do you think of Nis? (Nish?) Why would it be of Albanian origin?
Furthermore, Serbian is a slavic language related to we know how many others, while the only language that is completely unique (a branch on its own) is the Albanian language. There are many theses trying to undermine a relationship that clearly exists (if you simply connect the dots, obviously with no bias). How would it make sense to greeks, slavs etc to have a population right in the middle of the Balkans that can claim way more than them ?
Regarding Illyrian so-called "territorial claims". They really didn't exist (Albanian nationalism + territorial claims), because if they did you'd have us ask for Slovenia all the way to Greece. We're realistic and want, unfortunately, whatever has been left (ie. where our population has historically lived and deserves self determination). Again we'll go back to "no I was there first, or no I was there first." But what ticks me off is the Serb attempt to completely fabricate the Albanian history (ie. they came to Kosova from Albania and are trying to take it over).
I will give you a link; the work is written by Aleksansar STIPCEVIC. It's definitely worth reading.
http://www.alb-net.com/illyrians.htm
It explains reasons why Serbs refuse to admit the Albanian history.
Hey guys we we still talk here afer independence..I want to hear what Serbs have to say about it
I am disgusted at the Cvijus and similar comments. I cannot believe you can be studying for a PhD level and still are so narrowminded. What degree should one like get to get down to earth (not remain a nebeski narod member)? mega-PhD? You have a very very black view of all Albanians,no wonder you even support those that once thought Albanians have even tails (i.e. are not real humans). Shame on your titles you are getting. regards,
Here is a little taste of serb manipulation of Albanian history:
It is enough to recall an entertaining incident in this campaign which took place in Zagreb in 1982. Two years previously, in 1980, the first volume of the Encyclopaedia of Yugoslavia (Secon Edition) had been published, in which there were two entries, one entitled "Albanci" (Albanians), and the other "Albansko-Jugoslavenski odnosi" (Albanian-Yugoslavian relations). On pages 75-79, the Albanian historian from Kosova, Ali Hadri, had written the part of the entry under "Albanci" that dealt with "the origin and development of the Albanian people," in which he stated that the Albanians are the descendants of the Illyrians. The linguist Idriz Ajeti said the same, considering the Albanian language a successor to the Illyrian tongue.
When this volume had come off the press, the Albanian revolt in Kosova had broken aut, and when the Serbian edition of this same book was under preparation, the Serbian representatives on the Encyclopaedia’s central editorial board rejected the text that had already been published in the Croat edition (which they themselves had approved), and insisted that the two entries should be reformulated according to the ideas of Serbian historians. A long and bitter debate then took place within the editorial board, and was soon reflected in the Zagreb and Belgrade newspapers.(11) Ten contributions from historians and archaeologist were commissioned in order to prepare new versions of these entries.
At that time, the Serbian members of the editorial board could not impose their ideas on others. This meant that the new version that was printed in subsequent editions of the Encyclopaedia of Yugoslavia included textual changes in the sections dealing all mention of the continuity between the Illyrians and Albanians.(12)
Although unable to change what had already been published in the Croat edition, the publisher of the Encyclopaedia of Yugoslavia printed the new versions of the two entries and sent them to subscribers, requesting them to insert them in the appropriate place.
Talk about a propaganda driven people. Just like D. Cosic says -they lie about everything and then convice themselves and others that these are truths...
Yes and I can get another dozen international historians who says that Albanians come from Illyrians. That was not my point in the article above. The point was to show how sebs manipulate things in order to politicize them as a way to serve their long term territorial aspiration.
Albanski friends si jeni mir?, I'm a Croat and i just wanna say how proud we are of Agim Ceku who become a PM of Kosovo he is a true warrior and loved by all Croats! Ignore filthy cetnikes, Ustasa gave them some kick in the ass and they still cry today like cigani ppl (you look like cigani to, dark non-european) shame on you cetnikes who call serbia for democratic, you started all the wars u ubojica dont play like tough guys behind your computer we know how brave your where when you meet hrvatska armija, why dont you start shit with us about Krajina?
"God i enjoid every minute when Serbia got bombed by Nato"
Last but not least to cetnikes - idi u picku materinu, jebo ti pas mater =)
Hrvatski patriot!
hrvatski patriot said:
>>Last but not least to cetnikes - idi u picku materinu, jebo ti pas mater =) <<
dragi ustasice,
sta se desilo sa tudjmanovim divnim novohrvatskim, kad moras da psujes na srpskom? :P
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