Wednesday, May 10, 2006

Contact Group to make status decision that will "favour majority" in Kosovo

Excerpt from report by Radio-Television Kosovo TV on 9 May

[Announcer] The Contact Group is going to impose a solution for Kosova's [Kosovo] status and this solution is going to be in favour of the majority in Kosova, it was said today in a debate "Kosova During and After the Talks" organized by the private university Academy of Fine Arts - AAB.

[Reporter] Some sound minds are knocking at the doors of Belgrade to prepare its people for two traumas that they will be facing very soon - the independence of Montenegro and of Kosova, Deputy Prime Minister Lutfi Haziri said today before AAB students. Other participants were former Prime Minister Bajram Rexhepi and Kosova Serb leader Oliver Ivanovic. According to Haziri, Kosova is in the year of status and talks are inevitable. Even though the first round of talks with Belgrade has been deemed unsuccessful, Haziri believes they were successful when differences in principle are huge.

[Deputy Prime Minister Lutfi Haziri] The talks are being conducted under the principle: There can be no agreement until there is an overall agreement. The document on decentralization will be frozen; it will be part of the final package on status that will be discussed at the so-called meeting of elephants, the major meeting that will deal with the final status and internal dispositions. What is Kosova offering in this context? It is offering constitutional guarantees for ethnic groups.

[Reporter] The Prishtina [Pristina]-Belgrade talks are proving that they cannot end, thus the Contact Group in the end is going to impose a solution for Kosova status which will be in favour of the majority, said former Prime Minister Rexhepi who compiled the plan on Mitrovica [Kosovska Mitrovica] that was presented at the Vienna talks.

[Bajram Rexhepi] A realistic request was made to have an urban centre where they could have different public services. The issue of health is solved with the regional hospital, the issue of the university and many other services. There is no perfect plan for Mitrovica; this was perhaps a plan which both sides would have accepted.

[Reporter] According to Ivanovic there are very few chances of accepting an imposed solution. The problem lies in the fact of what is going to happen after the definition of status.

[Kosovo Serb leader Oliver Ivanovic in Albanian] One should not bet everything on one card, that is not how you play. That is not risk, it is stupidity. To tell you the truth this is not how people should be treated. Think of what is going to happen in the autumn, if there is independence and what if there is no independence? What will you have to eat? Think today, because autumn will arrive very quickly. [Passage omitted]

Source: RTK TV, Pristina, in Albanian 1730 gmt 9 May 06

133 comments:

redemption department said...

"The Prishtina [Pristina]-Belgrade talks are proving that they cannot end, thus the Contact Group in the end is going to impose a solution for Kosova status which will be in favour of the majority"

In my opinion, the inevitible, yes inevitible, granting of "conditional" independence of Kosovo was decided years prior, perhaps even before the NATO bombing, but is going to be increasingly portrayed in the coming year as a decision imposed by the international community due to the inability of the Pristina-Belgrade talks to yeild any progress.

ilir said...

Howdy RD, sometimes in order to make progress the imposed solution is a must. Being familiar with Balkans issues you should know how able are Balkans people to solve problems on their own. Imposed solution would mainly help the ruling politicians in both Kosova and Serbia to say to their electorate in a Shaggy way "See, it wasn't me". The most fair solution would be to let people of Kosova decide in a referendum, that would be the best, and most democratic way of solving the issue. (I propose to the editor to do some moderation on the comments, which include swearings and personal attacks. Do you think that would be better?) best,

Anonymous said...

Yeh a bit of moderation, against some people on both sides, would be useful. Believe it or not, there are some of us out here who are interested in this discussion, and regardless of our views and who we agree with, racist slurs against either side don't help, and I'm surprised that those making them don't feel humiliated. And neither side is more guilty or innocent than the other on this.

mitrovica pika pika said...

A least one serb has his head out of his ass.



Things are bad, but they could get worse

Author: Mirko Tepavac
Uploaded: Thursday, 11 May, 2006

Eloquent article by a former Yugoslav foreign minister on the dire situation in which Serbia finds itself today

Let us begin with a simple and irrefutable, albeit painful, fact: all countries of the rejected ‘real socialism’ are today closer to the EU than Serbia is. They have all crossed the point beyond which suspension of the transitional metamorphosis becomes impossible. Serbia’s trailing behind is due not only to the fact that it changed later and more slowly than the others, but far more importantly because the democratic, reformist and pro-European course has not to this day gained the upper hand convincingly and irreversibly among its political forces.

The economic problems of our [Serbian] transition are not a cause for excessive concern, since in this area - unless, as is being threatened, the convergence towards the EU is suspended, and the undoubtedly successful negotiations with the IMF are brought into question - there have been encouraging and strategically important advances. This is because it is easier to solve material than deep-rooted political, moral and mental problems.

It is possible that Kosovo will not gain independence this year, but no matter, since Serbia stands no chance of regaining it. It will be impossible to defend Serbia’s right to this territory, even if of a ‘historical’ nature, when the links with the people forming a decisive majority there have been tragically severed during many years of violence and bloodshed. Kosovo is thus irretrievably ‘lost’, yet Serbian politicians and officials continue to compete with each other in their determination ‘to keep Kosovo at all costs’ - just as the demoralised Yugo-generals once used to swear that they would preserve Yugoslavia under Milošević’s absolute rule.

Montenegro will continue along its path of independence irrespective of the outcome of the May referendum. Serbia will never again play the role of its ‘stronger and older brother’ as envisaged by our hegemonists, accustomed to thinking of the association as one of paternalist domination.

Koštunica will have to deliver to The Hague the remaining people charged with war crimes, after Serbia has paid a high price, mainly thanks to him, for insisting that the grateful fatherland will not surrender them to an ‘anti-Serb political and judicial justice’. They were protected for years by his collaborators in the army, the police and the intelligence services, aided ‘unselfishly’ by wealthy war profiteers. There is scarcely any moral distance between justifying the crime and protecting the criminals.

It is impossible to live normally with such ‘holy’ causes and oaths in a church, let alone in a modern state. Meanwhile the corrupt oligarchy - dented but not humbled - has not given up its ambition to decide the course of state policy. Too great a burden on the shoulders of an ever-smaller state in an increasingly impatient Europe! There will be no sanctions, but isolation is being threatened the effects of which would be similar, if not equal.

It is not difficult to trick those who want to be tricked. A rigorous analysis would undoubtedly explain to us why Serbia fell so easily for the populist trick, and why so many Serbs remain its prisoners and addicts. It is not impossible to explain when the ethnification of political consciousness became total. Much that once appeared unthinkable has come to pass. Who would have thought twenty years ago that former members of the Soviet bloc would join the EU before Serbia, once the dominant part of a non-aligned Yugoslavia. The post-Communist states display confusion, hesitation and standstills, but nothing will halt their European integration. They have made it: they enjoy better and more fruitful relations today with each other than Serbia does with any of them.

Everything remains possible in a country in which over one third of the electorate votes for parties whose presidents have been charged with most the serious war crimes. They are supported by sections of the intellectual elite, the Orthodox Church, the army, the police, the judiciary, the mafia and war-profiteering capital. It is this mentality that protects Karadžić and Mladić more effectively than the army or the police. Their strength lies not just in their numbers, but in the support they enjoy in sections of the other political parties, which prefer Serbdom to any democracy, especially of the West European type.

Some of our politicians and analysts like to argue that the Serb Radical Party (SRS) and the Socialist Party of Serbia (SPS) are democratic parties, because ‘people vote for them in free and democratic elections’. But democracy is not mere procedure. The Radicals’ extremism is an exceptionally anti-European political project. Even if we could forget their role in our catastrophe, the fact remains that the SRS remains committed to annexing parts of three neighbouring states by violent means. The Radical star could shine only in our dense darkness.

Allied with the SPS and SRS, Koštunica’s government - which favours them and depends on them - cannot solve any of our burning issues without falling apart. This is why everything is being endlessly postponed in a flight from reality. By all accounts 2006 will be decisive for the fate of the Serbian state and society. No serious analyst excludes an electoral victory of the increasingly arrogant nationalist-radical bloc. This is why nothing is definite here in Serbia, nor is any undesirable turn of events to be excluded, until those who aspire to democracy confront all that is radical and retrograde.

Only fools and ignoramuses can today be carefree. Serbia, let us hope, will be able to drag itself out of the quicksand with the help of Europe and the world, because - as has been shown to date - it is unlikely that it could do so on its own.

Translated from Republika (Belgrade), no. 370-371, 1-31 December 2005

Cvijus011 said...

Serbs shot in Kosovo | 12:12 May 11 | Beta


KOSOVSKA MITROVICA -- Two Serbs were seriously injured in an armed attack in the village of Grabovac, near Kosovska Mitrovica.

Serbian sources in Kosovo told Beta that unknown assailants attacked Jovan Milošević and Jablan Jevtić using automatic weapons. The two Serbian gas station workers were attacked at about 3:30 am and taken to the hospital. After undergoing operations they are currently in critical condition.

According to Kosovska Mitrovica physicians, both are in intensive care and remain in critical condition. Jevtić lost a great amount of blood and Milošević suffered multiple gunshot wounds.

This is the third violent incident against Serbs in the area in recent days. The first was a shooting in the village of Rudar at the Secretary of the Raško-Prizren Eparchy and the second was a stoning of a bus full of Serbs in the village of Rudnik.

mitrovica pika pika said...

I wonder after Kosova what will serbs obsession be. Will they visit shrinks in order to explain their pschosis or just shoot themselves. Either way....

mitrovica pika pika said...

[Kosovo Serb leader Oliver Ivanovic in Albanian] One should not bet everything on one card, that is not how you play. That is not risk, it is stupidity. To tell you the truth this is not how people should be treated. Think of what is going to happen in the autumn, if there is independence and what if there is no independence? What will you have to eat? Think today, because autumn will arrive very quickly.

Serbs also are betting on one card. Whether albanians win or lose, serbs will just lose.

ivan said...

Siptari,

You are betting all on one card, its "independance". Let me ask you, if you get "independance"what will you do with Serbs then, who are controlling your major economic resources?

Cvijus011 said...

ivan,

" if you get "independance"what will you do with Serbs then, who are controlling your major economic resources?"

Kill them of course. Maybe also put them in a ghetto just like the Nazis with the Jews in Warsaw

mitrovica pika pika said...

Acutally more like the jews did to nazis in poland afer WWII.

Cvijus011 said...

hey mitrovica picka picka,

What's the difference?

mitrovica pika pika said...

I a sure you as a serb dont see a difference between good and evil.

mitrovica pika pika said...

you dont make agreements with nazis you take them out or nuke them, period.

Cvijus011 said...

I just see the difference between the rule of law and anarchy. Don't you agree Mitrovica picka picka?

mitrovica pika pika said...

Once a serb always a rapist.

Cvijus011 said...

"Once a serb always a rapist."

Nice attitude mitrovica picka picka, very civilized, or maybe...how to say it right...very albanian

mitrovica pika pika said...

Will serbs visit shrinks in order to explain their pschotic menatlity or just shoot themselves. Either way....

ivan said...

mitrovica pichka pichka,

explain what do the two dead heads represent on your Byzantine two headed eagle? Does one represent a Serbian head and another a Rom head? I mean thats how you treat your minorities.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Whats up with the byzantine emphasis. Is it because your king raped a 5 year old byzantine princess. It figures. Like king like subjects

Cvijus011 said...

hey this Mitrovica picka picka is very funny. He is a clown just like Sesslj, I guess the both of them would be best friends :)))))

mitrovica pika pika said...

Arent you a product of your mom fighting seslj troops by spreading syphilis amongs them.

Cvijus011 said...

"Arent you a product of your mom fighting seslj troops by spreading syphilis amongs them."

Keep it on Mitrovica picka picka, you're a fine example of albanian civilization.

ilir said...

And some people here claim to have university degrees? shocking, shame on those universities awarding these people any (than primary school) diploma. Your language is horrible. Aren't there other words than offensive ones to express your extreme opinions? Same actors quarreling every day. Find a forum, and a life.

ivan said...

mitrovica pichka pichka,

why do you avoid answering the question. the two headed eagle is a Byzantine symbol, and one head stands for the King and the second fro the Orthodox church. I find it very strange that you identify yourself with that eagle for the following reasons:

1) 90% of siptars are muslim
2) You destroyed the Orthodox churches. So in fact you cut off one head of your eagle.

Now please answer the question, what do the two skulls stand for?

"Arent you a product of your mom fighting seslj troops by spreading syphilis amongs them."

this proves how primitive and barbaric you are.... i really hope you dont represent the vast majority of the siptar population. But given the terrorist attacks that were conducted on Serbian people, I really doubt.

ilir said...

Mitrovica Pika pika, try not to fall a victim of some extreme nationalists, and their offensive language in this nice news blog such as Kosovareport. Try to influence them by showing your civilized behavior instead. Congratulations on your blog. Looks nice.

mitrovica pika pika said...

ha ha ha ha so predictable its funny


Double-headed eagle
From Wikipedia
Two-headed eagle emblem of the Byzantine Empire. Relief from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople (Istanbul)
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Two-headed eagle emblem of the Byzantine Empire. Relief from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople (Istanbul)

The double headed eagle is a common symbol in heraldry and vexillology. Several Slavic nations use this symbol today, having adopted this symbol from the Byzantine Empire. In Byzantine heraldry, the heads represent the dominance of the Roman Emperors over both East and West. The Russian tsars adopted the symbol both to position themselves as successors to the Byzantine state and to likewise symbolize their dominion over the west (Europe) and the east (Asia).

The two-headed eagle appears on the coat of arms of the following countries:

* Albania
* Austria-Hungary (historical)
* Bosnia and Herzegovina:
o Republika Srpska
* Byzantine Empire (historical)
* Russian Federation
* Russian Empire (historical)
* Serbia and Montenegro
o Serbia
o Montenegro

It also appears on the following flags:

* Flag of Albania
* Flag of Montenegro
* Flag of Serbia
* the flag of the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.


Contents
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* 1 Origins
* 2 Use by the Turks
* 3 Byzantine Empire
* 4 Use in Masonry
* 5 Use in fiction
* 6 Use in sports
* 7 See also

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Origins

Double headed eagles have been present in imagery for many centuries. A representation of a two-headed woman dating from 6000 BC was discovered in Çatalhöyük (Turkey) one of the oldest cities in the world. Therefore, the apparition of the two-headed eagle is very old, because it can be found in archeologic remains of the Hittite civilization dating from a period that goes between XXth and XIIIth centuries BC. First, cylindric seals discovered in Bogazkoy, nowday (Turkey), an old Hittite capital, represents clearly a two-headed eagle with spread wings. The esthetic of this symmetric position explains in part the birth of this religious figure. It probably dates from around 1750 or 1715 BC, and was used in a tradesman background. This symbol can also be seen in the same region in two monumental realisations : in Alaça Hüyük (around 1400 BC) and in Yazilikaya (Turkey). (before 1250 BC). Here the context looks different and totally religious. The eagle becomes divinity's symbol. The two-headed eagle slowly disappears during the last Hittite period, from IXth to VIIth century BC and totally disappears after the end of the empire...
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Use by the Turks

The double-headed eagle reappears in the same region, but after 2000 years. The double-headed eagle became the standard of the Seljuk Turks with the crowning of Toghrül (meaning "Eagle") Beg at Mosul in 1058 as "King of the East and the West" and was much used afterwards. The Sultans of Rum, Ala ad-Din Kay Qubadh I (1220-1237) and his son Kay Khusrau II (1237-1246) used the bicephalous eagle in their standards, and the motif was also found on tissues, cut stones, mural squares, and Koran holders. Turcomans who ruled in Anatolia during XIIIth century, inherited it from the Seljuk Turks. Islamic coins from the reign of Khalif Nasreddin Mahmoud bin Mohammad, following Turkish influence, sport a double-headed eagle on one side and the Star of David on the other as early as year 1200. The use of the symbol by the Turks has two possible explanations. First is the propagandist explanation: the eagle was a sign of grandeour and magnificance and it was to support the claim of Turkish rulers on the Roman imperial inheritance. Another explanation can be found in pre-Islamic Turkic shamanism, in which the eagle was the creature that would guide spirits to the afterlife.

Today, the Turkish Police has a double-headed eagle in its insignia.
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Byzantine Empire

Constantinople was the successor of Rome, and the Byzantines continued the use of the old imperial 'single-headed' eagle motif. Whether the double-headed eagle was adopted from the Turks, inspired by Hittite carvings, or was simply an evolution of the existing ancient motif is uncertain. According to the most prevalent theory, the imperial single-headed eagle was modified to double-headed by emperor Isaac Comnenus (Isaakios Komnenos, 1057-1059) being influenced from local traditions in his native Paphlagonia in Asia Minor. The first mention of a double-headed eagle in the West dates from 1250 in a roll of arms of Matthew of Paris for Emperor Friedrich II. Theodore II Lascaris chose it as the symbol of the Empire of Nicaea, taking it to symbolize his state's claims to all the Byzantine Empire's former domains, both European (West) and Asian (East). An alternative interpretation is that the eagle symbolized the Emperor's double temporal and spiritual sovereignty. After the recapture of Constantinople and the restoration of the Byzantine Empire, the symbol was used as an emblem of the imperial family, but it is uncertain whether it was the official emblem of the Empire. In Byzantine usage, the eagle was golden on a red background. Variations of a black eagle on golden background were used, denoting the subordinate position (the eagle was black as being the 'shadow' of the Emperor's eagle) of their bearers, as well as other color combinations. From Byzantium, two-headed eagles spread to Russia after Ivan III's marriage to Zoe Palaeologina and to Montferrat. The Serbian Nemanjić dynasty adopted a white version as their own to signify their own independence of, and indeed, claim to the imperial throne of Constantinople. George Kastriotis (Skanderbeg) adopted a similar flag in his struggle against the Ottomans, consisting of a black eagle on red background, which has been resurrected in the current Flag of Albania. After the fall of Constantinople, the black eagle also became the symbol of the Austrian Empire and thence passed into several families of the German aristocracy. Its usage also survived as a decorative element in the Greek Orthodox Church, which was the inheritor of the Byzantine legacy during the Ottoman Empire, while it remained a popular symbol among Greeks. In modern Greece various variations of the two-headed eagles are used in Church flags (based on Byzantine flag patterns) and military emblems.
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Use in Masonry
The Double Headed Eagle of Lagash on the cover of Morals and Dogma.
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The Double Headed Eagle of Lagash on the cover of Morals and Dogma.

The Double-Headed Eagle of Lagash is used as emblem by the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry[1]. While there are many meanings attached to this symbol, [2] the famed Masonic author M. P. Hall declares it an alchemical symbol of union between the masculine and feminine principles in the individual.
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Use in fiction

In the world of Warhammer 40,000, the double-headed eagle forms the crest of the Imperium of Man, earning it considerable religious and cultural significance. For this reason, it is not too uncommon to create actual double-headed eagles through surgery, mechanical proxy or genetic manipulation. When these are used to aid the abilities of a psyker, they are known as psyber-eagles.
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Use in sports

The double-headed eagle is the emblem of the Greek sport clubs AEK (black eagle on yellow background) and PAOK (black eagle on white background). It is a symbol of the clubs' origins, since both clubs were founded by Greeks who fled to Greece from Constantinople in 1922-23.
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See also

* Eagle (heraldry)


It is also an important motif in heraldry of imperial families of Russia (the House of Romanov) and Austria-Hungary (the House of Habsburg), as well as the royal family Petrovic-Njegos of Montenegro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-headed_eagle

Cvijus011 said...

Ilir,

The people that gave me my degrees, after I spent thousands of hours researching and studying, recognized my true values. I don't think you're the person to judge that.

Why don't you take a look at my posts and at Mitrovica's picka's picka's posts and tell me who uses primitive expressions. You know, with some people over here you have to you use one attitude, and with others another attitude.

Mitrovica picka picka,

yeah really show us some civilization.

Cvijus011 said...

And why do you have these two skulls on your two-headed eagle?

mitrovica pika pika said...

Ilir,
Fuck em if they cant take a joke.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Origins

Double headed eagles have been present in imagery for many centuries. A representation of a two-headed woman dating from 6000 BC was discovered in Çatalhöyük (Turkey) one of the oldest cities in the world. Therefore, the apparition of the two-headed eagle is very old, because it can be found in archeologic remains of the Hittite civilization dating from a period that goes between XXth and XIIIth centuries BC. First, cylindric seals discovered in Bogazkoy, nowday (Turkey), an old Hittite capital, represents clearly a two-headed eagle with spread wings. The esthetic of this symmetric position explains in part the birth of this religious figure. It probably dates from around 1750 or 1715 BC, and was used in a tradesman background. This symbol can also be seen in the same region in two monumental realisations : in Alaça Hüyük (around 1400 BC) and in Yazilikaya (Turkey). (before 1250 BC). Here the context looks different and totally religious. The eagle becomes divinity's symbol. The two-headed eagle slowly disappears during the last Hittite period, from IXth to VIIth century BC and totally disappears after the end of the empire...

ivan said...

mitrovia pichak pichka,

I dont understand this guy. It appears that he is unable to answer a simple question:

WHAT DO THE SKULLS ON YOUR TWO HEADED EAGLE REPRESENT?

Cvijus011 said...

Ivan,

take it easy, don't you see that mitrovica picka picka is playing the intellectual?

Ok mitrovica picka picka, let's do it slowly:

WHY DO YOU HAVE THESE TWO SKULLSß

ivan said...

Cvijus,

Mitrovica pichka pichka is a sick teenager who is experiencing sexual problems. Take a look at what he wrote in the previous post:

At 10:49 AM, mitrovica pika pika said...
here is one in case you need to masturbate
http://www-tc.pbs.org/media/frontlineworld/srebrenica_lo.mov?mii=1


He really should see a doctor

mitrovica pika pika said...

Ha ha ha you both must have the same syphilis spreader for mother. twins?

Cvijus011 said...

Oh come on Mitrovica picka picka, you seem to have some sexual problems. Tell me, what's bothering you, where does your frustration come from?

Ivan,

have you noticed the two swords above the eagle at his flag? Doesn't it remind you on islamic extremism, al-Quaeda-like?

ivan said...

Mitrovica pichka pichka,

let me try to help you. Lets use this for a humanitarian purpose. Lets have a psycho analysis, I am sure it will help you and hopefully you will feel better...

Lets start, tell me, what is your worst memeory from your childhood?

What kind of relationship did you have with your mother?

mitrovica pika pika said...

Will serbs visit shrinks in order to explain their pschotic mentality or just shoot themselves. Either way....

Cvijus011 said...

come Mitrovica picka picka, tell uncle Cvijus and uncle Ivan what frustrates you.

ivan said...

Mitrovica Pichka Pichka,

IT apparently seems that you are unable to answer any questions that anybody posts to you.

1) WHAT DO THE TWO SKULLS STAND FOR IN YOUR TWO HEADED EAGLE?

2) WHAT IS YOUR WORST ENEMY FROM YOUR CHILDHOOD?

3) WHAT TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP YOU HAD WITH YOUR MOTHER?

Try to concentrate, I know its hard but try. I am sure after you answer these questions you will feel much better.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Scanderbegs Scimitar
Oriental Sword
Near East, 15th century. Wide, double-edged blade with rounded tip. At the head of the front side are gold inlaid leaf ornaments - a circular medallion and a band of indecipherable Arabic script. Later grip of Turkish style with blackened handle hood parrying rod with leather-covered handle. Even later sheath of black leather with pressed knotted pattern and simple ornamental iron carrying strap as well as positioning strap. On the reverse side, red oil-painted incription of the Ambrasian armory: "Sk'anderwech."

Cvijus011 said...

ivan,

I think Mitrovica picka picka has some reading problems as well.

ivan said...

poor guy I really feel sorry for him. Cvijus we should try and help him.

Mitrovica pichka pichka, here are the first three letters of the alphabet:

A, B, C

lets see if you can repeat this:

bg anon said...

A little bit of respect for the rest of us people. Come on.

I dont understand this sort of comical / very,very serious joking where one moment its silly funny and yet its at the same time deadly serious.

Is there something Im missing here because I dont see the point in these kinds of conversations.

Mitrovica I do agree with some of the issues in that article you posted but you realise the author would have the same standard for any country / region? In other words if he took the same analysis to Kosovo Im sure he would be hard on Kosovo Albanians too.

Ilir would you propose a referendum in Serb areas of Kosovo to ask whether they want to become attatched to Serbia? I have nothing against referendums but the problem is anybody can call them and according to the principles of self determination decide on their own fate.

Anonymous said...

Cvijus,

You're soo hypocritical and plain stupid. You make up "picka picka" and say the most utterly disgusting things, and then accuse Mitrovica for "lack of civilization". You are contradicting yourself so much that it's a shame those ppl that hired you as a receptionist allow you to use the computer. You and Ivan are probably two selaks from Smederevo that a) have too much time in their hands, b) can do NOTHING to stop Kosova from becoming independent, and c) again, are just plain stoooopid.

However, as someone from Prishtina, I can only say go on losers, go on showing the world what lame people Serbs are.
If one reads comments from different articles here, it's very easy to see your lack of consistency in everything you say and conclude that you're nothing but a gedjo with no credibility whatsoever.

--THE ILLYRIAN FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE BALKANS (IE. DARDANIA)

ivan said...

BG Anon,

I do agree with you, these are really serious matters, but given the primitive responses Mitrovica gives, you can either get insulted, or try help him. All Cvijus and I are trying to do is to help him.

As for the referendum in the Serbian areas, I totally agree , and I wonder why do the albanians refuse to give the Serbs the same right they request.

heku said...

I still can not understand why serbs try to live in their past. Even the site of Kosovo.com has as a paradoxical subtitle: Place of the living past...

You know what impresses me the most? It's their ability to absorb all the lies of the myths of nation creators during the 19th century and make them real as if they had ever existed. I mean, when you are an intelligent person, like some serb bloggers over here, you try at least to know how and why your country is as it is and following which sociological process your country reached such a social developpement.

Like it or not, even French or German people accept it now. Nation is a creation, you have to have myths to make people hold together and even we albanians have some but of course less than serbs which had a country a lot before us and could create (yes it's a human creation!!) their myths.

With respect to the susceptibility of everyone on this blog I would like all of you to make the effort to stop considering those signs and myths that are simply a human creation. And remember, humans ain't prefect...

Cvijus011 said...

"A, B, C"

and then comes D, E, F ... no no no, this is too much for him.

Ilir,

calling him picka picka is just one small detail compared to his "civilized" behavior.

" You and Ivan are probably two selaks from Smederevo"

I actually come from the centre of Belgrade, I don't know about Ivan.

"are just plain stoooopid."

it is written: stuuuuupid

heku said...

Leni këta muta. Mençuria është ekskluziviteti i shqiptarëve në Ballkan.

mitrovica pika pika said...

If albanians of east kosova, south montenegro and west macedonia get a referendum then I agree serbs in north kosova should get one too.

heku said...

A jau ke spjegu se ç'far dmth ka Mitrovica PiKa PiKa?

Anonymous said...

hAHHAha Cvijus, how do you pronounce "oo"? As in Moon? Hahaha, get a life man, really, just get a life cause you've got nothing on us. Look there's someone at the door, you should go help them, QUICK!

Cvijus011 said...

"Look there's someone at the door, you should go help them, QUICK!"

No way man, Mitrovic picka picka is a extraordinary case

Maybe I'll base PhD on him.

mitrovica pika pika said...

as I said you both must have the same syphilis spreader for mother. twins?

Bg anon-you are a minority in your country and as such command litle of my attention however I think I could have a decent argument wih you but it would be such a waste of time. Alas, maybe someday we could argue in a sound manner but that is a future I cant predict.

Anonymous said...

Cviki,
No, no I mean real world. Like outside of the dream world based on lies that your serbian "innate intelligence" enables you to come up with, ie you doing a phd. Here, concentrate, Serbian reality: baaaad. :( :(

Cvijus011 said...

Mitrovica picka picka,

you still have'nt answered us:

1) What are these skulls for

2) What are these swords for

3) What trauma do you have from your childhood

4) What is your relationship with your mother

Anonymous said...

Mitrovice,

Give them a few more minutes. Their "innate Seri-an intelligence" will enable them to come up with the "most creative" answers ever.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Kosova is not free. you have the serb radical party soldiers(the french in the north together wih greek soldiers of srebrenica) and then enclaves- nothing but daggers at the heart of kosova. Wounds of those daggers must be healed in order for Kosova to move towards a bright future and become the nemesis for the rapist serbs that is destined to be.

bg anon said...

So can we return to real subjects then Ivan? Drop these attacks on Mitrovica.

Cvijus you too. Seriously is this about character assasination or about the rights of those living, or those who have been cleansed from Kosovo?

Mitrovica you can choose to debate with me in a real way but only if you choose to. I must tell you that Im much more impressed by arguments than by nationalities, flags, anthems and other types of nationalist symbols.

Clearly discussing important issues would not be a waste of time. However, name calling and sweeping generalisations clearly is.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Fine, bg here goes. Kosova must have serbs living here, it would be imbecilic for anyone to claim they dont belong here. Kosova must have iys independence only so that serbs or anyone else cant atyack kosova again with inmpunity. the protecyion of minorities shouldnt even be an issue because here is no nation that wants more to be in EU than us albanians. And EU will have us jump through hoops before they allow us to be a part of it, same goes for you. then you would ask since we are all going to be par of EU why albanians must have their own country. Because we earned it and you have proved not just to us but the whole world what an constitution means to you. But you will say now we are a democratic country we guarantee you your autonomy. your guaranees for an albanian have as much weight as the paper it is writen on. Now can we go back to bashing one another.

Cvijus011 said...

bg anon,

I admire your optimism, but do you really expect to have a proper discussion, especially with Mitrovic picka picka? What kind of a discussion do you expect with somebody who says that Serbs equal to rapist, or maybe to call us different species? Do you expect a civilized discussion when somebody calls you a RAPIST kind or SEWERBEINGS? Trust me, me and Ivan tried it months ago but it was hopeless because unless you don't tell them what they want to hear, you're automatically a rapist, radical, rascist, etc.
Therefore, I'm inviting you to join the fun.

Mitrovica picka picka,

You haven't answered me the questions, why? Are you afraid of something?
In case you forgot them, here they are:

1) What are these skulls for

2) What are these swords for

3) What trauma do you have from your childhood

4) What is your relationship with your mother

mitrovica pika pika said...

ah one of the twins is back. Did your mommy treat her syphilis or is she still tring to infect Mladic and Karadzic?

Cvijus011 said...

the answers boy, the answers.

Come on you can do it.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Do you even undersand the implication being called a serb.

Cvijus011 said...

Don't switch the subject Mitrocia picka picka.

Answer the questions. What are you afraid of?

bg anon said...

Mitrovica well I think we know that Belgrade wont be marching on Kosovo even if it were inclined to do so - which she isnt.

That fear of restoration of the types of policies under Milosevic is nothing but artificial. Because it wont and cant happen.

Therefore, what happened 5 years or more ago is history. Whats important now is today and what kind of future Kosovo will have.

Unfortunately protection of minorities is an issue. There have been too many instances of these abuses for anybody, Albanian or international, to claim there isnt a serious problem.

I think we (Non Albanians and Albanians actually) have a right to expect that these and similar attacks will cease. For Gods sake this is going on under the noses of the internationals. Kosovo, in theory, should be safer than the average state. Instead the internationals are failing miserably in setting a minimum standard of human rights.

Let me tell you something about the southern part of Kosovska Mitrovica that happened around 2 weeks ago. UNMIK, Peterson and his number two called a press conference about the opening of a new block made for gypsies. The block of flats was to create space for those Roma or gypsies that lived in the Southern part of Mitrovica when the Roma Marhala where they lived was destroyed by Kosovo Albanians (the Serbs had already left S Mitrovica).

So what did the geniuses at UNMIK do? Oh yeah they 'forgot' to call somebody from the Roma community to the press conference. So you had internationals and Albanian functionaries patting each other on the back for another good project to impress other internationals in London and Washington whereas the people who the project was supposed to help werent even there.

The reason this whole project received funding is because these were the poor Roma stuck in that diseased camp that various journalists from the BBC and Reuters visited in the past few months.

But to continue, worse still, it unfolds later in the same day the leader of the Roma community said that the project was carried out without his input and having not been consulted and badly treated by the internationals and having doubts about the quality of the building he said the Roma had decided they did not want to live in a tower block.

Further, they said that the block was on the edge of Southern Mitrovica and not close to the centre as the destroyed Marhala was.

So, guys (cvijus) what do you think? Is this piece of information interesting or is it more educational trading insults?

Cvijus if you are saying that Mitrovica has a closed mind then thats his issue. If you seem to think that gives you the right to close your mind in retaliation then you lose. Yeah really it is like that even if you dont see it.

mitrovica pika pika said...

bg anon-
"That fear of restoration of the types of policies under Milosevic is nothing but artificial. Because it wont and cant happen.

Therefore, what happened 5 years or more ago is history. Whats important now is today and what kind of future Kosovo will have."
I has nohing to do with fear its the possibility I mean who would have thought ha Bulgarians and Romanians would join EU before yugoslavia in the 80's. Sorry to say but you dont decide what is history or not. I mean the whole Kosova massacres were based on myths that happened hundreds of years ago. And you dont have to try to be subtle with me I can see an underlying "Kosova is Serbia's problem "in your logic. As far as gypsies they also fell for the policies of Belgrade today . they chose to be your gravediggers.

arianit said...

Mitrovica,

Lej sharjet e sulmet personale. Sic thoshte njeri prej komentuesve ketu, nuk duhemi te bijme ne nivelin e tyre sepse ata te mundin me pervoje. Nese vazhdon keshtu, veq sa i iriton lexuesit ketu, disa prej te cileve jane ne pozita te rendesishme nderkombetare.
Nqs don me i ndihmu Kosoves, me mire eshte te flasesh per Mitrovicen dhe pastrimin etnik qe ka ndodhe ne veri, kur ashtu e kerkon tema.

Qellimi i trollve te cilet ti po i ushqen ketu eshte te nderrohet tema kurdo qe ajo eshte ne dem te te aspiratave te tyre. Ti e te tjeret nuk duhet te lejoni qe ajo te ndodhe. N'mardhanie publike perdoret termi "stay on message".

Flm per mirekuptim.

ivan said...

Bg anon,

Trying to speak in a civilized manner brings no effect when you attempt doing that with teenagers with sexual problems. This is what you get in return:

"And you dont have to try to be subtle with me I can see an underlying "Kosova is Serbia's problem "in your logic. As far as gypsies they also fell for the policies of Belgrade today . they chose to be your gravediggers."

I think you were lucky, because he usually gives perverse responses as this one:

"At 10:49 AM, mitrovica pika pika said...
here is one in case you need to masturbate
http://www-tc.pbs.org/media/frontlineworld/srebrenica_lo.mov?mii=1"



So thats why you need to speak with such people in a simple language, the only one they understand.

As for your comments regarding the Roma case, I do agree with you. I do work for an american company, and I do see that instance being repaeted in different perspectives. Everything is really about keeping the image of a very succesful job, even though it hasnt been succesfull. Tomorrow they will say , we build homes for Roma, we did this , we did that, but they will skip the major fact and that is they wasted money, because the Roma population can not survive in this concrete block.


Mitrovica pick picka,

You still did not answer the questions posted to you. Here is a reminder:

1) What are these skulls for

2) What are these swords for

3) What trauma do you have from your childhood

4) What is your relationship with your mother

ilir said...

The guys nick is "Mitrovica pika pika" ivan and cvijus. You repeated the curse more than 10 times, quite civilized way of behaving. Not sure what research you did to get your degrees, but my feeling is you did the research on cursing and using words of hatred. A civilized person (as you claim to be) does not answer to provocations in that way. I sure am not the one to judge about your degrees, as if I was the one to give you those degrees I would be cursing myself now.

Mitrovica PIKA PIKA, durohu vllau jem mos ju jep material ktyne se ju mezi presin me i sha pak. A nuk pe din sa te pacivilizume jane keta a? E kane tregu fytyren disa here. Me miresjellje e me injorim te komenteve palidhje te tyne fiton me shume se sa nese i shan prapa. Greetings,

Anonymous said...

Albanians deserve no respect! I give stray dogs respect before I give respect to bastard albo-turk shiptaris. the only respect i give albos is some spare change to fuck their whore wives and daughters as that is all they are capable of... taking dick that is

ilir said...

Very civilized, indeed. I am impressed. It shows the culture you've been brought up with, not only yourself. You are a shame to the society that accepted you in their circle.

Konaction said...

Ahhh you serbs are so intelectual so you lost Kosovo, your cradle, your heart. DIE IN HELL you motherfucking filthy nazi nation :)

All you can do is argue about something and in the end you'll end up just like Hitler, peace to your mamas and sistas :)

ivan said...

Ohhh finally our oftamologist joined the intellectual discussion.

Please oftamologist, please say again, we need to open up our eyes? Right?

Konaction said...

as wide as your sisters ass :)

Cvijus011 said...

ivan,

I think we have another case of a very frustrated person. Yes, you guessed it right, it's Konaction.

Konaction said...

Ask your Kosova Serbian Sisters why would they like to come back if they can and if they fathers didn't commite any crime.

It's all about tricky dicks we have :)

ivan said...

Cvijus,

I think we have another teenager with sexual problem, except this one has the need to talk about his sexuality. Maybe we should help him and listen to him, since i am sure no other siptar is as kind hearted to listen to his problems.

Tell us Konaction, whats bothering you, we are here to listen to you.

Cvijus011 said...

Well mitrovica picka picka has issues with his mother (maybe that's why he refuses to answer about what is his relationship to his mother), whereas Konaction with his sister.

Come Konaction, let me help you.
Answer me:

What is your relationship to your sister?

Konaction said...

Ivan, don't try and steal ilir's idea on "How to behave with serbs for dummies". I know youre lot more than thiefs!

Civjus, I have no sister, dumbass!

Tschuesse, (everything associates you with Germans in 40s)

Cvijus011 said...

I think that Konaction is traumatised from the criminality that runs rampant in Kosovo.

Konaction for real, if you need help I'll be more than happy to help you.

ivan said...

Konaction,

the Grand Thief is talking to us. You are stealing the whole region, and you are talking about thiefs.
But not only do you steal it, but you also destroy all the Serbian cultural heritage, so you wouldnt have any proof that it was Serbian in the first place.

Cvijus011 said...

ivan,

good you mentioned that.
For those that can read Serbian:

Demolirana crkva u Podujevu
12. maj 2006. | 08:56 -> 11:15 | Izvor: B92, Beta, Radio KiM
Podujevo -- Nepoznate osobe demolirale crkvu Svetog Ilije u Podujevu, javlja Radio KiM.

Napadači su posle početka obnove hrama provalili vrata na crkvi i razbili većinu prozora. Urednik Radija KiM Živojin Rakočević kaže za B92 da je crkva zapaljena u martu 2004, a da obnovu finansira Savet Evrope.

"Pri obilasku crkve zatekli smo provaljena vrata, polupane prozore. Očigledno je da se napad dogodio juče ili prekjuče, pa je neko izmenjao stakla, ali u višim delovima crkve, gde to nije moglo da se izvede brzo, ostali su tragovi lomljave. Naravno, tamo nema nikog, niko ne obezbeđuje crkvu, a sveštenici su napustili Podujevo 1999. i od tada u gradu gotovo da nema nikog od Srba", kaže on.

Ponovo kamenovan autobus

U selu Rudnik kod Srbice veća grupa dece jutros je kamenovala autobus kojim se Srbi iz Osojana prevoze do Kosovske Mitrovice, preneli su Beta srpski izvori sa Kosova. Među putnicima nema povređenih, a autobus sa oznakama Ujedinjenih nacija, koji je imao i pratnju, je oštećen.

Konaction said...

You're so clever scums. You have achieved that level of intelegence so you know what do we have in plan for the next decade.... what else from your history's bright side you want to hear?

IT WAS NEVER SERBIAN AND IT WILL NEVER BE. (Period)

Cvijus011 said...

This Konaction is an even complexer case than Mitrovica picka picka, the new issue concernes intellegence.

Tell me Konaction, were you teased in school by the other kids because of your intelligence?

Konaction said...

Oh shit you got me! I told you are clever enough to lose Kosova!

Feel the reality and stop your bullshit!

Independence is knocking on heavens door :)

Die in hell all you nazi haters :)

ivan said...

Konaction,

take it easy you are starting to lose sense in what you are writting.

"Die in hell all you nazi haters :) "

Yes we do hate nazis, whats your point?


"IT WAS NEVER SERBIAN AND IT WILL NEVER BE. "

Isnt Kosovo and Metohija always in the news refered to as "break away southern Serbian Province"?

If Kosovo and Metohija was never Serbia, why are the negotiations taking place then, and why is it Belgrade thats negotiating?

thse are some logical questions, i hope you will open your eyes to the reality.

Konaction said...

"Isnt Kosovo and Metohija always in the news refered to as "break away southern Serbian Province"?"

Yes it is and it will be until the end of this year! But unfortunately you don't see this coming, at this point my old saying takes place "Come to daddy".

"Yes we do hate nazis, whats your point?"

How can you hate your nation?

mitrovica pika pika said...

The serbs never cease antagonizing. How insecure they can be, is sad.. i wonder what pschosis makes hem rape and massmurder women and children. An intelligent voice is heard among them here and there but soon even he reverses to the formula that makes them serbs again, you see living in peace for serbs is unnatural and painful. Same pain a child rapist suffers when staying away from school yards.

ivan said...

Konaction,

"Yes it is and it will be until the end of this year! "

Dreams are another thing, but here we were discussing your following statement:

""IT WAS NEVER SERBIAN AND IT WILL NEVER BE. "

So it does belong to Serbia.

"How can you hate your nation? "

Sorry you confused some things. During the second World War it was albania that was an axis ally. So yes we do hate everything that has to do with the Nazi alliance.

Cvijus,

we made a mistake. Konaction doesent have a problem with his sister, but with his children. Read the following lines:

"...at this point my old saying takes place "Come to daddy"."

ivan said...

Mitrovica picka picka,

you still haevent answered the questions posted to you. Come on man, Cvijus and I thought you 6 letters yesturday, you should be able to read a bit by now.

To refresh your memory, here are the questions again:

1) What are these skulls for

2) What are these swords for

3) What trauma do you have from your childhood

4) What is your relationship with your mother

mitrovica pika pika said...

Its interesting, out of all the sites on the internet some serbs come here to achieve something they never could in real life-someone engaging them in real conversation. Poor poor

ivan said...

Mitrovica picka picka,

why are you afraid to answer the questions. Are you hiding something?

mitrovica pika pika said...

Sad lives I guess are better than no lives for serbs. If only there were enough shrinks for so many pschopaths .Have people no shame on calling themselves, serbs.

Cvijus011 said...

Come on Mitrovica picka picka, what are you afraid of? Answering 4 questions doesn't hurt. Come on, prove yourself as a real hero and answer them.

Koanction, you wrote "Die in hell all you nazi haters" assuming those who hate the nazis. So you're right, we are nazi haters.

ivan,

This is a serious problem if Konaction has a problem with his children.

bg anon said...

Mitrovica Im sorry that you obviously believe that the gypsies deserved what they got.

That kind of comment shows exactly why Kosovo remains cleansed today. I had hoped that you realised the difference between those that truly committed war crimes and those who were doing what they could to make a living. Its disapointing to think that there arent some Kosovo Albanians who could at least show it in their hearts to support gypsies. You cant pretend that the gypsies ever oppressed anybody can you?

There was no excuse for destroying their marhala and there is no excuse for them being treated as they are today.

You didnt see any Kosovo is Serbias problem in my logic at all. In fact my comments were entirely based from a non partisan human rights viewpoint. The story I told wasnt even about Serbs suffering, it was about gypsies. Im talking about Kosovo's problems today and tomorrow referring to all communities in Kosovo.

However, the fact is that non Albanians are experiences the worst human rights violations. If saying such a thing equals saying Kosovo is Serbia's problem then you can accuse any number of internationals (or even Kosovo Albanian moderates) who have said the same thing of being pro Serbian.

Dont kid yourself into painting me into the bad guy. After your comment regarding the gypsies I think its pretty obvious between is closer to supporting multicultral democratic values.

Ivan, Im glad you agree and hope that you found that little piece of information interesting.

Again, its no excuse to point to somebody elses comment to justify your own. You choose what to write, nobody forces you.

What I dont understand is why you waste your time writing these messages to Mitrovica?

Again, so please, I would kindly request that you Ivan and Cvijus would stop doing this. Return to an issue is that too much to ask?

mitrovica pika pika said...

In now wa shape or form I aluded that gpsies go what they deserved. All I said was they chose to be your gravediggers in a sense that they are still being a subject of Serbias manipulations be it in transporting and digging graves for massacred albanians or just advancing serbias policy of portraying all kosova as ethnically cleansed state. By the way how do gypsies fare in serbia?

Cvijus011 said...

Oh oh, Ivan we have a fifth question for Mitrovica picka picka, since a new issue appears:

Mitrovica picka picka,

5) Where does your obsession with death come from?

mitrovica pika pika said...

the twins are so creative, it must be a byproduct of being born with syphilis.

Cvijus011 said...

Come on Mitrovica, don'T be such a pussy.

Why is it so hard to answer 5 simple questions? I really don't get it. I thought you were a brave lad.

Anonymous said...

Hi,

As being a german soldier in Kosovo, it was my surpriese how the local population ( Kosovo Albanians) , have the same point of view as Mitrovica pika pika. In a sense I could understand the way they hated Serbs, but their brutality among the innocent ones amazed me. To them all of the Serbs are guilty, even if it is a baby just born.

But their brutality among gypsies was something I could not understand. I personally saw one Albanian middle aged man, kick a gypsy boy just because he was on his path.

I am afraid that my brothers ( UNMIK soldiers) will have to stay there for a long time in order to protect these minorities. I hope that all the promising words Kosovo Albanian politicians give will actually become a reality.

Best Regards,

Hans

mitrovica pika pika said...

Hans is a serb in disguise(- no one is going to fall for that pathetic atempt at wit. I mean his spelling misakes are the same as the twins. Sick fucks!

mitrovica pika pika said...

By the way not Unmik soldiers, KFOR as in NATO.So predictable.

Cvijus011 said...

Wow, Mitrovica picka picka suffers from schitzophrenia. Poor fellow, he sees Serbs everywere.

Hans, ich bedanke mich sehr hertzlich für deine unterstützung. Schöne gruße aus Berlin.

Anonymous said...

hello agains,

Mitrovica pika pika you were right. I was a KFOR soldier stationed in Kosovo, but many of my friends are working in UNMIK police in Prizren.

Nevertheless, I was very optimistic when I was sent to Kosovo, but after a while I just wanted to get the hell out of there. Yes Serbs have done many wrong things to you, but after we have come the roles have switched.

Best regards aus Koblenz,

Hans

ivan said...

Mitrovica picka picka,

Your obsession with serbs is reaching a very dangerous level. Watch out, maybe your mother is also a Serb in disguise.

Now please answer the questions.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Hans,
you saw someone beat a kid and you didnt do anything.I would have, and I am not even a soldier in charge of security in Kosova and on top of that armed to the teeh.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Mitrovica picka picka,

Your obsession with serbs is reaching a very dangerous level. Watch out, maybe your mother is also a Serb in disguise.


Obsession, hardly. People should scrub every part that has come in contact with your vile kind.

mitrovica pika pika said...

"Yes Serbs have done many wrong things to you, but after we have come the roles have switched.

Best regards aus Koblenz,

Hans"

roles havent switched as much as those in the case of sudeten germans.that would have been real justice or poetic :)

Cvijus011 said...

" People should scrub every part that has come in contact with your vile kind."

Watch your words Mitrovica picka picka cause that can be implemented on you.

Ivan,

"Your obsession with serbs is reaching a very dangerous level. Watch out, maybe your mother is also a Serb in disguise."

That explains why he refuses to answer question 4. His mother is Serbian and little Mitrovica picka picka has great complexes because of that. Maybe that's why he hates his mother that much

mitrovica pika pika said...

the twins complement each other so nicely, they fit like 69. If serbs produce THINGS like these two there must be a lot of amonia in serb gene pool.

ivan said...

Cvijus,

that also explanis his passion for death. Poor Mitrovica picka picka

Cvijus011 said...

Mitrovica picka picka,

we are just trying to find out why are you so sexualy frustrated, but you're not helpful at all. Come on man, don't be such a pussy and crybaby. Answer these simple questions.

What are you afraid of?

mitrovica pika pika said...

What do you say to people who must be ashamed of what they are. Should one suggest a shrink or a shutgun. Choices, choices.....

Cvijus011 said...

An since you're ashamed of your identity (cause your mother is Serbian), well you gave your choices by yourself :))))

mitrovica pika pika said...

you are right if my mother was a serbian I would be ashamed of myself.

Cvijus011 said...

so you say that you have a problematic relationship with your mother?

bg anon said...

Mitrovica your response to my post on the gypsies living in that radiation camp who had their houses burnt down in Southern Mitrovica was to say that they dug graves for Serbs.

Anybody reading such a comment can see what your sentiment is. Put plainly at the very least you dont care, at worst you are inferring that the gypsies are Serb collaborators. As you write in a later post to Hans, yes I hope that you would intervene to protect the innocent whoever they are. Did you try to intervene when the gypsies had their marhala burnt down in Mitrovica?

No, in Serbia we do have a couple of extreme right wing organisations who might attack gypsies after getting drunk at football matches but I cant remember one instance of organised burning down of gypsy communities or the ethnic cleansing of gypsies. Trust me, Im not the type to hide these kinds of things. And actually if such a thing were to happen the media would report it.

Hans, your view sounds similar to a lot of international workers on the ground in Kosovo. Some of you guys are ok although (now its time for you to show some character) what do you think of those in UNMIK who are corrupt? What do you think of the goals of UNMIK? Do you think they are / were workable?
What do you think of UNMIKS record in protecting Kosovo's minorities? Do you hold nation states responsible for that or the hierarchy of UNMIK? These are all interesting questions.

Tell me is it true that the French are seen as closer to the Serbs and the Germans closer to the Albanians? And is there any basis for this?

Anonymous said...

Dear bg anon,

First of all let me thank you for your kind reply. It is really rare to find a person on this blog that is ready to have a proper discussion.

About this gypsy boy. I did react and pushed the man away, which of course brought a great anger of the local Albanians and God knows what would have happened to me if a KFOR patrol didn't appear. After the whole mess was cleared, the man that attacked the little boy has disappeared, most probably ran away.

Bg anon, I find your questions very interresting. I will try to answer you in the best way I can, given the knowledge I have gathered during my time in Kosovo.

You should make a difference between those that work on the field and the others that are tied to office jobs. Of cource, the high official are logically those that are in the offices. As you may have guessed, those in the offices are the corrupt ones. Given the purpose of the UNMIK staff being in Kosovo, how they work now is not only a disgrace for the UN as such, but also to the whole international community. The goals of the UNMIK, which we the soldiers in the German KFOR satirically characterized as "to bring peace and harmony" is just a facade for the outside world.

Now when we concider the protection of the minorities, there is a certain extent to which you may react when you face yourself with a violation. What we thought to be a proper way to react could bring to a disciplinary committee, or for the soldiers to court martial. Overall, how I perceived the way minorities were protected, especially in March 2004 when I was also stationed, is shameful.

On your comment that Germans are more alligned to Albanians would be the truth to some extend. But seeing the reality some of us the soldiers changed our minds and realized that our mission was to protect Serbs from violence, instead Albanians who to honest didn't need protection anymore. Many of my commrades have changed their minds. But concerning your question once more, the basis of thaof Germans being alligned is pure politics, hardly any connection with the popular sentiment.
I hope you're satisfied with my answers

Best regards

Hans

mitrovica pika pika said...

Tell me is it true that the French are seen as closer to the Serbs and the Germans closer to the Albanians? And is there any basis for this?
Did you try to intervene when the gypsies had their marhala burnt down in Mitrovica?
that was kfors job namely the french but they were more busy making a border at the Mirovica bridge than saving gpsies
Both are absurd assumptions. the french practically have divided Kosova at the Iber river and the germans probably identify more with the serbs -I mean you both organized concentraion camps. As far as gypsies you should go and check out their camps around belgrade and then tell me how they live.

Anonymous said...

Germans hate Serbs. They have ever since they organized the camps that killed 300,000 of them during WWII.

French and Serbs -both victims of Germans

mitrovica pika pika said...

As for you Hans , I have an anecdote
there was Das Fuhrer,Speer and Himler in a bunker in berlin. Hitler orders them to do everthing o fight the allies if you have read Junger- Storm of Steel you know what I mean( if not it meant mining ever building road or anything allies could use) Speer said but my Fuhrer doesnt that mean death for every german still alive. Hiler said "All good germans died in the war all is left is garbage who gives a shit what happens to them "- or what they think.

bg anon said...

Mitrovica you are quoting nazis???
What next?

I have already been to camps where Roma are based in Belgrade thank you very much. They live in miserable conditions but at least they are not ethnically cleansed from Belgrade or have their campment set on fire. In fact many of them have been cleansed from Kosovo - you know they even speak Albanian.

If it were upto me I would change policy on gypsies in Serbia but most of the problems faced by gypsies are due to poverty, even if there is some discrimination (which is also present in the Czech republic and other East or Western European states). Sadly Serbia isnt a rich country like some of those other states so things cant be changed so quickly.

Wait a minute Mitrovica how about condemning the destruction of the gypsy mahala? I cant believe you are blamimg the French when it was Kosovo Albanians who carried out the destruction. Tell me Mitrovica why can I be honest and why do you constantly try to avoid accepting (at least some) Kosovo Albanian responsibility where mistakes and worse have been made?

Sorry I thought I read here that you said you would intervene if Roma were being attacked. Now you tell me its the internationals job. So, the attitude is to look the other way if attacks on non Albanians is in progress and then to blame the internationals later on for the attack? How easy for you!


But lets take a look at this spin from UNMIK:

Kosovo: UN envoy hails reconstruction in Roma neigbourhood

25 April 2006 – The senior United Nations envoy to Kosovo today hailed a ground-breaking ceremony marking the start of reconstruction at the Roma Mahala neighbourhood that will allow displaced people to return to their homes there.

The event is part of the Return to Roma Mahala Project which will involve building two apartment blocks each housing two dozen families and 57 houses in the first phase.

Secretary-General Kofi Annan’s Special Representative, Søren Jessen-Petersen, called the initiative a lasting solution for the Roma to go back to their homes. “Today we are literally paving the way for the return in freedom, in safety and in dignity of many Roma who have been displaced for far too long,” he said.

Stressing that individuals must exercise their right to return, he voiced conviction that a decision on the status of Kosovo “will bring the clarity that every displaced person needs to have.”

In 1999, Roma Mahala was home to some 8,000 Roma, Ashkali and Egyptians, many of whom are living either as internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Kosovo, Serbia and Montenegro, or abroad. The Return to Roma Mahala Project represents the largest urban return project in Kosovo.

bg anon said...

Hans thanks for your reply.

I hope you are not deceiving me, because I could end up looking stupid if you are. But I can see that you have knowledge that most people (who think they know about Kosovo) do not have so I take your word for it.

I wish I didnt agree with you but I do. The utopia of neutrals coming into a desperate situation to restore order or democracy is an attractive and powerful vision throughout the world. Simply people WANT to believe that this can happen. They dont want to believe that in large majority of cases intervention fails to produce peace or prosperity. In some cases it makes the situation even worse.

You can imagine how the Serbs are outraged, if you did see first hand the events of March 2004. I remember the whole way it unfolded which was a complete disgrace, not only the human rights violations, killings and so on but the propoganda machinery mixed in with media inertia (Serbs bad guys, Albanians good guys) leftover from 1999. And Im not even what is commonly referred to as a nationalist.

No, my anger or emotion is not so much to do with ancient Serbian rights in Kosovo. Its to do with the internationals and their so called higher European standards. For Gods sake this went on right under their noses. The whole reason we were told that NATO was intervening was to protect innocent civilians and make a multicultural society. Then once international troops are on the ground there is no more talk about a multicultural society. They cant even protect non Albanians, never mind protect innocent civilians.

Its just so pitiful. And I know things are little better for ordinary Albanians.

Your final comment sounds about right concerning what I have heard about international troops. Generally Serbs consider French troops more friendly whilst Albanians prefer the Germans. This is reciprocated to an extent. But the longer the troops remain there and the more they see these friendships may alter.

Thanks for the reply. Any other information or comments are welcome.

mitrovica pika pika said...

bg anon,
As I said, KFOR is in charge of security and the mahala was destryoed right after the war so who was responsible, your guess is as good as mine, maybe the extremist elements of our part or someone else I wont speculate on that since I dont know. And poverty is higher in kosova than in Serbia so that argument is moot. If nazis said something smart sure as hell I will quote them. by the way read the article below I believe it was writen by a serb.


Author: Dragoljub Petrovic
Uploaded: Friday, 12 May, 2006

Analysis translated from Helsinška Povelja (Belgrade) criticizing the distorted approach to Bosnia of Serb nationalists, and the nature of the Dayton settlement that brought the war in Bosnia to an end

By contrast with the national liberation movement [led by the Partisans in World War II], Serb and Croat nationalists denied the individuality of Bosnia-Herzegovina and sought to add it to their respective states. The Independent State of Croatia, a typical Quisling formation that conducted genocide, included all of Bosnia-Herzegovina. In Serbia, Milan Nedić’s Quisling government hoped that the Nazis would grant Serbia autonomy and add to it Bosnia-Herzegovina, Vojvodina, Slavonia, Dalmatia, Montenegro and northern Macedonia. The Ravna Gora Chetnik movement had in its programme the creation of a ‘Great Serbia in a great Yugoslavia’. Typical of the many documents is Homogenous Serbia, which advocated the creation of a Great Serbia. Similar drafts relating to the post-war map and the structure of the post-war state, as well as Draža Mihailović’s orders, tell of an unrealistic national project. A fictional Yugoslavism was to serve as a transition to the creation of a great Serb state in the Balkans. Serbian lands were to be demarcated within such a Yugoslavia, and purged of their non-Serb and in particular Muslim populations. This concept and policy was present before World War II in the plan of action propagated by the Serb Cultural Club, numerous politicians and assorted nationalists. After the end of the war this nationalist vision would remain latent until the end of the 20th century, although it was based on no historical right, regional-political factors, ethnic, ethical or indeed any other consideration.

In the second Yugoslavia, Bosnia-Herzegovina was proclaimed a federal state of three nations, but without internal territorial divisions or political autonomies. Indeed, throughout its history Bosnia was never divided. The heterogeneous nature of its population gave no grounds for its division. Following World War II, its territorial integrity was constitutionally guaranteed - as was true for the borders of other federation members. Those internal borders remained constant and unchallenged up to the beginning of the 1990s, when Serbia adopted a policy of territorial expansion. The cover for this was the thesis that the Serbs, wherever they lived, should have the right of self-determination. This principle was not, of course, applied to Serbia itself. Active propaganda was conducted about the Serbs being endangered in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Serbia’s political leaders proclaimed themselves guardians of Yugoslavia, while concentrating on the creation of a Great Serbia.

‘The Serb national question’ raised by the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts in its notorious Memorandum is not a real one, since the same arguments could be used to make every nation into a national question. In 1919, for example, when Hungary’s borders were decided at the Paris Peace Conference, they left out a substantial part of the Magyar nation. Something similar happened to the Albanians. The argument that Serbs were endangered in Bosnia-Herzegovina had no grounding in reality, given the high positions which they occupied in that republic. The thesis that the Serbs were being assimilated is equally spurious. Assimilation is a natural process that goes both ways: some Serbs were assimilated into other nations, members of other nations became Serbs. Nor can one rely on Yugoslavia’s break-up to justify the argument that Serbs were under threat. Socialist federations such as Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union divided along the lines of the federal borders. Although the number of Russians left outside the Russian Federation was considerable, the Federation showed no desire to expand to include them. In Serbia, however, a great campaign was started in the late 1980s about the alleged inferiority of the republic within Yugoslavia and the alleged injustices suffered by the Serb people.

It is a historical fact that Yugoslavia’s deconstruction was initiated by Serbia’s leaders, headed by Slobodan Milošević. Bosnia-Herzegovina and Macedonia were keenest to preserve Yugoslavia, but in the new situation Bosnia-Herzegovina followed Slovenia and Croatia in demanding that it too be recognised as an independent state. Belgrade described the recognition of these states as ‘premature’, which meant that the international community should first have satisfied Serbia’s territorial demands. The war against Bosnia began immediately after its recognition. A war planned by Belgrade militarists was imposed on the Serbs. The war was started by a military compact of the JNA, Serbian reservists and paramilitary units. Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina were pushed into the war with weaponry supplied by the JNA, much of which came from Serbia. Under international and domestic pressure, the assertion that the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia had been attacked was changed to one about a dirty civil war. Just how dirty this war was is testified to by the fact that most of the Serb volunteers engaged in systematic pillage of the occupied lands. Ordinary Serbs were driven to spill blood for the sake of an expansionist plan forged in Belgrade. After the well-armed Serb troops had taken much of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatian hardliners turned to creating their own Herzeg-Bosnia.

The war created ‘Republika Srpska Krajina’ in Croatia and ‘Republika Srpska’ in Bosnia-Herzegovina. But whereas the international community helped to restore Croatia within its own borders, they divided Bosnia into two entities whose borders were established at Dayton in November 1995. This settlement, intended to end the war, has no terminal point. It was reached with the participation of Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro - a legal absurdity, since only a country’s own citizens have the right to shape their future. The entities and their borders are equally preposterous: they are unnatural, historically and economically unjustified, and ethnically unfounded. A height of absurdity is represented by the district of Brčko, whose sole purpose is to tie together the northern and eastern segments of Republika Srpska. (According to the 1991 census, the population of the present-day Brčko district was only 20% Serb.)

Such a resort to the ethnic principle in territorial demarcation on the part of the international community is unreal and impractical. In all democratic constitutions, citizens not nations appear as the normative category. It is not surprising that Dayton Bosnia-Herzegovina cannot function. This weird construction, which has no perspective, awaits a final dissolution. What is worrying is that an essentially anarchic situation is being allowed to continue, although it is unsuitable for a prolonged duration and injurious to both the state of Bosnia-Herzegovina and its citizens.

mitrovica pika pika said...

bg anon,(Serbs bad guys, Albanians good guys) leftover from 1999 you should have added croats and bosnians as well
However,
I am dissapointed you never mentioned the crimes of your people on albanians but you seem to be hung up on march 2004 when 11 albanians were killed and 9 serbs- I am sure you will talk abou the churches but you never said anything about the mosques destroed by your kind. you proved me wrong, one can never have a real logical conversation with a serb .

mitrovica pika pika said...

Serbs in Mitrovica setting up checkpoints right in front of the French who do nothing. One guy tried to stop me as I drove through town. I had no idea who he was so I rolled down the window and shouted "and who the fuck are you" as I swerved around him. The Albanian parts of town completely looted and destroyed, burnt out buildings, a coatrack stuck in a door, the Serbs used it as a battering ram. No military purpose, just plain crime.

The British a great army, the Americans just dumb, the French absolutely useless, Foreign Legionnaires standing by no matter what happens, no matter who's causing the trouble, not wanting their pictures taken, a bunch of criminals no doubt. The British are fair in enforcing the rules on everyone, the Americans worry only about not getting killed, the French are fair in NOT enforcing the rules on anyone. -Alan Chin Kosova war photographer

bg anon said...

I have mentioned it before and repeat for your benefit, the freezer trucks and the murder of Albanian civilians was a disgrace that must be punished. There is NO excuse for that as far as Im concerned.

I also said that Albanians (as were Serbians) were cleansed from Kosovo. However, that is no big deal saying such a thing because I conclude this after reading the definition of ethnic cleansing. Unlike genocide which is a very serious charge and is difficult to prove, ethnic cleansing requires not much proof and is relatively easy to prove.

Oh and I unreservedly condemn any attack on religious buildings mosques or churches - including those hooligans that attacked Belgrades mosque, another disgrace, even if it would never had happened if the March killings and ethnic cleansing against Serbs hadnt been carried out.

That logical enough for you

Now lets see how logical you are, your turn.

bg anon said...

Oh and its very cheap to say that you dont know who attacked and destroyed the largest Roma settlement in Europe in South Mitrovica after the war ended.

Tell me, who lives in South Mitrovia?

Very cheap.

mitrovica pika pika said...

"Oh and I unreservedly condemn any attack on religious buildings mosques or churches - including those hooligans that attacked Belgrades mosque, another disgrace, even if it would never had happened if the March killings and ethnic cleansing against Serbs hadnt been carried out."

So by your logic what happened to serbs and gypsies after the war was justified, because it was in retaliation for their crimes against albanians, intersting .

NYoutlawyer said...

This is the benevolent way how albania deals with it's minorities:

Between 15,000 and 20,000 Romanies have sought shelter in Macedonia fleeing Kosovo and Metohija before ethnic Albanian terrorism, according to incomplete figures released by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).

They are either accommodated in collective centres or staying with relatives and friends.

Bajram Berat, one of the leaders of Macedonia’s Romanies, has stated in Skopje that the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Serbia’s southern province (KFOR) does not protect non-Albanians well enough from the ethnic Albanian terrorist organization calling itself Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). Berat said that members of his people were especially the target of the ethnic Albanians’ brutal assaults.

About 400 Romanies are accommodated at the Dare Bombol camp near Skopje, set up by Macedonia’s Red Cross. Germany’s Red Cross and UNHCR also care for them.

The pro-government daily Nova Makedonija quoted Thursday some of the Romany refugees as saying that they had fled Kosovo and Metohija because ethnic Albanians who had returned to the province had threatened to retaliate claiming that the Romanies had acted as the Serbs’ right hand.

They said that it was true that they had lived in harmony with Serbs but said they had lived in harmony also with those ethnic Albanians who had led a peacefu life. Some of the Romanies speak Albanian but this did not help because ethnic Albanians had thrown them out of their homes simply because they did not like the colour of their skin.

Ethnic Albanians had given Romanies in Magora, Stimlje and Lipljan area two hours to leave their homes threatening to kill them if they failed to do so. They then started torching houses belonging to Romanies who tried to find refuge in other parts of Yugoslavia and Macedonia.

Alija Feta, a Romany refugee, said that ethnic Albanians had even refused to allow Romanies to buy bread while they had been trying to reach Macedonia. They somehow managed to arrive in Macedonia via Urosevac and Djeneral-Jankovic.

According to Romany refugees, not a single Romany has remained in Kosovo and Metohija, while most of their houses have been torched. In the village of Magore alone, ethnic Albanians have set fire to 90 houses, according to Saban Celimi.

Celimi told Nova Makedonija that it had been terrible when KLA members had wanted to slaughter his three-year-old son only for being a Romany.

Esad Bektesi told the paper that two of his daughters had been sacked by ethnic Albanians for the same reason and had been ordered to leave the province.

Romany refugees expect KFOR to ensure their safe return and full protection from ethnic Albanians. They also expect the international community to help them repair or re-build their houses.

bg anon said...

No Mitrovica you obviously are having trouble reading I quote myself 'unreservedly condemn'. For those that dont understand that means I am against it.

What is far more interesting Mitrovica is your silence or condemning crimes comitted by Albanians - either against Serbs or gypsies.

mitrovica pika pika said...

I must quote again, it seems you are having trouble seing whne you are hanging yourself "it would never had happened if the March killings and ethnic cleansing against Serbs hadnt been carried out." I could use the same argument , meaning, serbs and ypsies would have never been killed if you serbs didnt go on a rampage of pillage, rape and massmurder.

Bg anon said...

Right, nice of you to admit that Albanians killed gypsies as well (in response to attacks by Serbs???).
You still havent explained that one to me apart from the gravediggers comment.

And you would use that kind of argument, I know. But in this case its different.

Straight after the March ethnic cleansing and rioting occured the Belgrade Mosque was set on fire. Pretty clear connection between the events. Not some, 'oh they did this to us some years ago so lets go kill some gypsies in revenge'.
By your own logic those who set the mosque on fire should have also headed down to where the gypsies live to set their ghetto on fire right?