Thursday, May 04, 2006

Serbia must choose between its past and its present - The Times

How hard can it be to arrest a man re-cognised wherever he goes, in a country roughly the size of Scotland? Vojislav Kostunica, the Serbian Prime Minister, has asked the international community to believe that if the man in question does not want to be found, the answer is, effectively, "impossible".

This answer is not acceptable. It is entirely appropriate that Belgrade's failure to surrender Ratko Mladic to the UN war crimes tribunal as promised led yesterday to the suspension of talks with the EU on possible Serbian membership. Mr Kostunica claimed that his Government had done its utmost to seize Mr Mladic, the alleged architect of the 1995 massacre of some 8,000 Muslims in Srebrenica.

But the EU was right to call his bluff, both in principle and from the point of view of what should have been possible: The Prime Minister's own deputy promptly resigned, accusing Serbia's security services of seeking Mr Mladic "everywhere except where he was hiding". Wherever that is, the former general and his diehard loyalists now have the satisfaction of knowing they have jeopardised what international standing Serbia has earned since surrendering Slobodan Milosevic to The Hague, weakened Mr Kostunica's minority coalition and postponed indefinitely the start of Serbian EU accession talks -which polls indicate 60 per cent of Serbs want.

The challenge facing Mr Kostunica should not be underestimated. He is dependent on the support of Socialists still loyal to the memory of Mr Milo-sevic. He is also constantly threatened by the spectre of resurgent nationalism. Surrendering Mr Mladic is not the only test of Belgrade's good intentions, but, like the imminent prospect of independence for Montenegro and, possibly, Kosovo, it is guaranteed to inflame that nationalist tendency.

This is why the decision taken yesterday by Olli Rehn, the EU Enlargement Commissioner, was never going to be simple. It was nonetheless correct. Unlike Croatia in comparable circumstances last year, Serbia has produced little hard evidence of genuine effort to track down or isolate those of its indicted war crime suspects who remain at large. Yet it seems clear that the security services know where they are. Meanwhile, insisting on Mr Mladic's surrender is by far the EU's most powerful lever in its dealings with Belgrade. To surrender that lever would be to surrender what credibility the enlargement process retains in the wearier capitals of "Old Europe".

What should Mr Rehn do next? Rather than shatter progressive Serbians' hopes of eventual EU membership, he should keep that hope explicitly alive, subject to full co-operation in the hunt for Mr Mladic and a mature acceptance by Belgrade of Montenegrin independence should the referendum due this month demand it. Above all, he must persuade the foot-draggers in Paris and Berlin that enlargement remains the EU's noblest cause. Steady progress towards membership for Croatia, Montenegro, Kosovo and then Serbia itself is the best long-term prescription for Balkan prosperity and, yes, peace.


NYoutlawyer said...

Party is over shitpars, the world is getting smarter:

Seems Clinton did a far better job representing "Bosnian Muslim interests", than he did representing "American interests" in this:

1. Clinton said American troops would be in Bosnia for "a year", and they have been there for eleven years and counting.

2. Tuzla, you make Bosnia sound like some sort of "happy Disneyland" now, which it is not. You are still a divided country, which could have been averted -- as could had the entire war -- had Clinton supported the Lisbon agreement, saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. Clinton chose to encourage the war to happen -- and then "come to the rescue" to put on a show.

3. Clinton supported the creation of a new "Muslim country" from a secular multi-ethnic country, which even you (Tuzla) admit is less than half Muslim. If I were a Serb Christian in my own country on my own land and my secular country was now suddenly to become "Muslim", I would fight too. It is only because the Serbs fought you and a compromise had to be reached that you are at today at all "multi-ethnic". Izetbegovich was a Muslim fundamentalist and so was his cause.

4. I know the differnce between "a Serbian"(from Serbia)and "a Serb" (any Serbian Orthodox Christian) so don't mix the two as interchangeable. Serbs are indigenous to Bosnia and had every right to fight for a government of their choice, just as you did. It was a bloody, nasty civil war that never needed to happen, and Clinton added fuel to that fire, he didn't put it out.

5. Milosevic was a pig, no doubt. But so were Izetbegovich and Tudjman -- both of whom were about to be charged with "war crimes" before they died. So there were no "innocent/guilty entire ethnic groups" here -- and no "innocent politicians". There were competing ideologies that brought those "Mujahadin" to your side, just as Milosevic was willing to deal with anyone including Saddam after the NATO bombs began falling on him.

6. Milosevic has been gone from power for years and is dead now, but you act like he is still living next door. He's not. And thanks to Clinton stupid decisions, we in America are more vulnerable today than we were before -- having pissed off what could have been one of our strongest allies in the war on terror -- Serbia.

7. By the sound of your attitude toward "Serbs", we solved nothing. We just put a lid on something that sooner or later is still due to boil over as soon as the lid is removed.

Bosnia was a "failed mission" for America, and one that has already come back to bite us!

The world is waking up, thank God.

Anonymous said...


redemption department said...

I'm surprised NATO didn't just go for another bombing campaign in Serbia, there are probably some holes in the ground from the last bombing they could keep digging with some 3 million dollar a piece bombs....

Anonymous said...

Can someone explain to me why SCG is responsible for the capture of Mladic? Shouldn't it be BiH or RS the ones to capture him? Also, when CS gets independence, what happens then, will CS still be responsible for his capture or will it only be Serbia that's responsible?

Anonymous said...


Guess what? He's hanging out in Belgrade with the army probably responsible for protecting him. Until a while ago, he didn't even try to hide. A part of the government (or maybe all of it) doesn't want him arrested for "patriotic" reasons and also because the government might fail if SPS decides to reject its support for the government. I hope this helped.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that Mladic is in serbia and I can honestly say that there is a demonization of the serb state from the west. I'm an Albanian from the United States and I don't care if anyone here or anywhere else in the world who is Albanian hates me for saying this.Its true and when we all,serbs and Albanians,learn to live and let live then we can get past all this bs.

redemption department said...

Serbia paid Mladic's pension long after the war, and even long after he had been cordially invited to the ICTY, and I think Draskovic also fessed up a copule of times to Mladic finding refuge in Serbia = Serbia is responsible

Cvijus011 said...

The hard truth is that Mladic as a coward he is, whether he's in Serbia or not, is holding the Serbian nation as hostages.

Anonymous said...

All of this Mladic stuff is stupid and ridiculous. You know once Serbia hands over Mladic the western countries are going to demand Koradzic. And then it will go on and one. So Serbia will never be in EU until everyone involved in the Bosnian war is dead.

Anonymous said...

unfortunately this important site is gathering a bunch of kids who offend each other. Can't you people grow up? Make your point without swearing at each other? It proves your level of maturity.

Borna said...

I don't think that it is in Serbia's interest to be left outside the EU. It might not gain a lot, but they certainly might lose more if they stay out.

Anonymous said...

As an Albanian patriot, I have been racking my brain wondering if I support serbia entering the EU as well as the other countries/nations of the Western-Balkans.

Anyway, I have come to the conclusion that it would be good for Albania (meaning all the lands we Albanians inhabit in the Balkans) if serbia is allowed to join. It would mean that serbia and serbs in general would HAVE to become European (Western-European) and of course abide by Wester-European Laws (Democratic Laws) and culture, etc and what's most exciting about serbia joining the EU after Albania, Kosova, Macedonia, Croatia & Bosnia do is that the other peoples/countries (members) of the EU would be able to travel in/out/through any part of serbia. This would only be good for my nation. As there is a lot of Albanian territory still unfortunately annexed by todays un-democratic faschist & Chauvanist serbia.


Cvijus011 said...


You said it all right, our interest is explicitly in the EU and believe me most of the people in Serbia see it like that, but it seems that some structures have remained (those assisting Mladic) viewing it some differently. I'm a patriot and I love my country and as such I see that all of our interests (including our national interests) should be directed to the EU.

Anonymous said...

for Ilirian:

I read your comment with interest; what confused me is ´a lot of Albanian territory still unfortunately annexed´ part.

Borders between Balkan countries were set up after WWI, if I still remember.

Therefore, what we would like to see for our own nation should not make in any case any damage to the others.

And the last but not least........Serbia´s own interest is to join the EU - but not at any cost.

Gen. Mladic has nothing to do with membership negotiations.

If we do not want Serbia in the EU, what the heck, let´s keep them out.

Cvijus011 said...

I believe that ensuring economic prosperity in Kosovo (whether independent or not) is the key tool to ensure the security of Serbia. With more money comes less militancy.

Anonymous said...

to Cvijus011:

since 1945 on, SFRJ has pomped billions into Kosovo and Metohija.

What went wrong?

Chris Blaku said...

Actually, a large portion of those millions were spent creating colonized zones of Serbian inhabitants and milking Kosova of its natural resources. Kosova was a province beyond self sufficiency, it helped finance the thriving Yugoslav cities of Belgrade, Zagred and Sarajevo.

Additionally, why is it acceptable for the Serbian government to consider that arresting Mladic may anger its extremists and give them further ambition? That sounds like Serbia's problem, not ours. The world should not be held accountable for the militancy that exists within Serbia, and we cannot be held at bay with the threat of their resurgence due to the pursuit of justice.

With regard to the EU argument, it is without question that Serbian entrance to the European Union is the proper step towards permanent peace. It is only with European prosperity that we can replace the corrupt and nationalist leaders that currently occupy Serbia's government with competent, democratic leaders that have their nation's, and region's best interest at heart.

There is little doubt, save for those afflicted with delusional versions of reality, to the outcome of the Kosova talks. It is time that Serbia accept the obvious, that Kosova will be an independent nation, and adjust their foreign policy accordingly. A nation with virtally no economic balance following Yugoslavia's breakup, and the impending loss of Kosova and Montenegro, Serbia is hard pressed to finance its nationalist aspirations and should throw in the towel. Their money would be better spent reinvested in the economy and education (recent polls suggest less than 50% of Serbians have finished elementary school).

Despite our animosity towards each other, as Albanians, it is our goal and intention to help secure a profitable and less militant Serbian nation to the north. So far, it seems our leaders have gone the extra mile to help ensure such an outcome. Sadly, this action remains unreturned by Serbian counterparts, who remain entrenched in the fantasy that they will one day regain control of Kosova, an outcome that is militarily, economically, and politically IMPOSSIBLE.

Cvijus011 said...

to anonymous 11:37 AM,

Well ask the politicians that governed in that period the autonomous province of Kosovo and Metohija. I think Azem Vlasi can give you the best answer to your question.

The politicians of Kosovo got the task to allocate the federal funds, but they allocated them directly to their pockets and then told from their fresh bought Mercedeses to the people that Belgrade was blocking the money and the people was stupid enough to believe it.

JustMe said...

It honestly makes me sad when I see young people like most of you here, engaging in this continuous mutual slander. But what makes me even sadder is to see how ignorant both sides are when it comes to most of the issues "discussed!"

Hence millions poured into Kosovo. First of all, as Kosovo was an equal member of the Yugoslav Federation, it had access to the funds dedicated for development. Just like Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia. Slovenia, Croatia and Vojvodina contributed were the biggest contributors as they were the most developed members. Aid like that is very common; you have seen it after the WWII with Marshall Plan and later in the European Union. You simply assist your trading partners (read: markets) to the future benefit of both. It is a win-win situation. Just look at the amount of croatian and slovenian merchandise in the shelves of any kosovar store and you would understand what I am talking about. For those of you who claim that those billions (yes, it is billions rather then millions) were stolen or embezzled, I have only one advice: open your eyes! All you need to do is compare what Kosovo was in 1945 and let's say in 1980. The funds could have probably been spent better, so there was some mismanagement but there was no conspiracy and no embezzlement like you are trying to portrait. Open your eyes, you might be surprised at what you learn, and probably stop with the harsh language towards each other.

bg anon said...

anon I think this is a Times opinion piece.

Other anon it depends where Mladic is. If he is in Serbia then Serbia is repsonbile. If not then another country is responsible...

Llyrian with all respect when you talk about European values and support a Greater Albania (or the establishment of an ethnic Albanian state) it doesnt really go hand in hand.

It rather sounds like you are projecting your own nationalist opinions onto the Serbian populace. Opinions which dont exist.

I am glad that you have decided to support Serbia's entry into the EU but to be honest with you if I thought Serbia was the way you described it I would be against Serbia joining.

Chris I'd like to see evidence to support your view that Kosovo financed Belgrade, Zagreb and Sarajevo. Seriously that would be funny if this whole situation was not so tragic. Whats more I wish it was true. I wish it because I believe the human rights situation in Kosovo would be much better if there was an improved economic potential. But I dont see it.

And you just dont get it yet do you? I dont have animosity towards you. Why the need to believe that Serbs and Albanians must be at each others throats? Does your comment desribe your own feelings towards Serbs?

I have mentioned FARDUK before. That is the fund established in SFRJ to subsidise the most undeveloped Yugoslav republics and regions.

Search for the information and read up.

Anonymous said...

for Chris Blaku:

If was was you, I would just ask parents how it really was for Shiptari (not Albanians)in SFRJ.

Also, Kosovo and Metohija (shortly Kosmet) was an autonomous province, not a republic.

Anyhow, Serbia´s own fault was that it tolerated terrorism, killings of solders and police officers for such a long time.

I am not sure where else it would go unpunished.

By the way, are you Serbian citizen at all?
Because if you are not, you might get yourself deported once serbian state takes back it´s own teritorry.

NYoutlawyer said...

OK, this site is boring me. It is full of muslim shitpar propoganda. Enjoy stroking each other's dicks.

Much to your disappontments, I will not blog here anymore.

Zivela Srbija!!!

Anonymous said...

nyoutlawyer that's exactly what the shitptars wnat you to do, don't give them this satisfactiona man stay here and jebi ih u zdrav mozak bre.

Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava

Anonymous said...

Quite the opposite - we want racists like you to write here and show the real face of Serbs. The way you use the word muslim reminds me of Al-Qeida using the word zionist. On the other hand your departure may be welcomed since this is a place for tolerant people with a vision for future and positive knowledge to discuss issues. Guys like you should get an education first.

Anonymous said...

JustMe, you bring very good points.

BgAnon, you forget that Yugoslavia for the first half of its life was a centralized economy based on heavy industry. As such, Kosova with its mines contributed much much more then it got in return. Your argument is similar to the one the British would make in India, yes we're colonizing them, but we're also making them modern. If the benefits are mutual, then let free trade do its thing and there won't be any need for a police regime.

I would love to see the data you keep alluding to. Have those been published in the West? Are there papers on them? I'm arguing that the infrastructure of Kosova was built on borrowed and grant money from the West to silence Albanians that with somewhat more freedom started displaying it publicly. It actually started after '74 but mostly between '80 and '86. If you get the chance to visit Kosova and you notice a significant buidling/project, please ask when it was build.

shqptr0 said...

The true face of kosova

Anonymous said...

Godd picture of my friend on the website you ShqptrO

Also...I want to inform those serb bullshit artists out there that
for every $4.00 Kosova made/earned $3.000 went siphened out of it's economy and sent to Belgrade throughout the years of occupation...and That Is A Fact that many many know in the former Yugoslavia as well as in the west!!!


Anonymous said...

to Ilirian:

you just really convinced me that you do not have a slightest idea what are you talking about!

bg anon said...

anonymous India was a colony of Britain. Kosovo was a province of Yugoslavia (notwithstanding arguments about Kosovo's status today or whether it was a province of Serbia or Yugoslavia).

You are trying to portray this as some kind of master servant relationship where poor Kosovo was exploited. I could easily use sloppy generalisations that might have some truth in them too.

Look at how Slovenia and Croatia used Serbian agriculture ie how Slovenian companies would sell fruit juice made from fruit in Serbia to other republics and make much more money basically for packaging a product.

Big deal. Every republic could complain of being a victim of Yugoslavia in some way. But every republic and province also benefitted from Yugoslavia.

FARDUK was created to iron out these differences in development and national income.

I dont think that we should let free trade do its thing. If we had there would have been no FARDUK at all. The situation would in Kosovo would have been even worse - as it was before FARDUK was created.

I believe in intervention in order to create some kind of equality. Leaving it to the free market usually creates an even larger gap between rich and poor. That means an even larger gap between richer and poor republics or regions.

The money that came from the West is a fact I agree. But the money from FARDUK was taken from the federal budget. Using your logic one can equally say that the West payed for state pensions in Yugoslavia for one year, or that the West paid for 3 years of the defence budget. In other words its a matter of interpretation where the money went, unless there is evidence that Western money went into specific projects.

Again it rather sounds to me as if you want to make out that it was the West that funded Kosovo. Again that evil Yugoslavia which colonised Kosovo kept Kosovo downtroden and only the enlightened west with their capitalist values tried to help.

Thats a fantasy picture. Nobody forced Yugoslavia to make FARDUK. It was based on that Communistic philosophy of trying to maintain some kind of balance between the richer and poorer. Not exactly a priority in the capitalist west.

If you really are interested in the statistics then I can give you the name of a rather good book published in the English language which analyses Yugoslavia since WW2 in the economic and political sense. But its a scientific style book. There is very little room for ethnic explanations and little time given for victim argumentation.

Chris Blaku said...

BG anon: Although limited paperwork exists on the Yugoslav side, at least to my knowledge, I know of a few instances in specific where Kosova's mines and minerals were used to finance Belgrade's development. For instance, due to economic instability and an outright lack of funds, Yugoslavia was forced to tender their debts with the Soviet Union with zinc, steel, nickel and copper deposits from the mines of Mitrovica, which is, coincidentally, the part of Kosova which Serbia would like divided in case of independence, go figure.

Furthermore, the mines of Trepca, which is the most expensive piece of real estate in the Balkans valued at over (US)$6 billion, were used as collateral by numerous banks, Bankos in particular, to borrow money from Western nations for urban development as well as political appeasement (payoffs).

Unfortunately, the rest falls to common sense. Regardless of your ethnic background, one cannot help but be in astonishment at Serbia's unrelenting desire to cling onto a seemingly useless, expensive and rebellious province. Prior to Ottoman liberation, the Serbian Orthodox Church went to considerable trouble to instill the idea of a Serbo-Kosovar historical link, fabricated entirely, in the minds of the Serbian people so as to immediately colonize and invade the province. From the days of the Nemandji dynasty, Kosova has been the Balkans most profitable province, region, or territory. Although much of that development was squandered during Ottoman occupation due to internal squabbles and religious fueds, the fortune concealed under Kosova's soil cannot be understated.

Why else has Serbia strived so hard to regain control of a province they cannot rule? Less than 5% of its population is ethnically Serbian, its historical ties do not lie in Kosova but in Rascia to the northwest, closer to Sanxhak (Sandzak), and I refuse to believe 500 year old fabricated fables play a reasonable role in Government decision making in the 21st century.

bg anon said...

Yes Chris there are only 5 percent Serbs living in Kosovo. The other 5 percent were ethnically cleansed. Thats a statistic you should be ashamed of, not one to use to prove how little right an ethnic minority should have necause they are not numerous enough.

Serbian hasnt strived hard to 'regain' the province of Kosovo. Until talks are over when Kosovo will likely be awarded independence - the word is therefore 'retain'.

And why was that throughout history? You know better than I do probably. There is a feeling that Serbian national identity began in Kosovo. Now Im not a nationalist so those arguments dont impress me that much but I do think it would be very sad that Kosovo becomes a foreign country. I felt the same way for other Republics of former Yugoslavia. It wasnt a feeling of ownership that I wanted, it was a feeling of strength in unity. Yugoslavia was a coutnry, all of these reduced countries are miserable in comparison. Soon it will only take about 3 people to declare indepedence on their private land to declare a new state. Pitiful.

I, too have read Noel Malcoms book and recognise some of those arguments you are using. Its by the by that I think Malcom was a little biased because I concede he has done some good research as well. As I stated before Im not sure that Kosovo Albanians and Kosovo Serbs had the same birthrate as you state. But I agree that the issue is abused.

Good grief you know people from Kosovo are very similar its shocking. I have a friend from Kosovo (Serbian) who also claims that Kosovo is rich and points to Trepca. He also points to the winemaking potential.

I dont have the heart to tell him (after all he has been cleansed) that Trepca mines dont produce prermium but second grade minerals.
Yes I've read all the economic reports. He, too talks about how great and clean it is in Kosovo.

I, of course cant mention to him depleted uranium or Roma settlements.

I wont tell him that it might take a decade for vinyards to get export licenses to Europe. I dare not say to him that he has next to no chance of being allowed to return home.

But you Chris and other Albanians who very much have the upper hand in Kosovo, still want to pretend that once the 'burden' of Serbian rule is shaken off it will be milk and honey.

You know what, that day is coming and when the fist pumping is done the stark truth will become apparant. Kosovo will be one of the poorest states in Europe.

Truly. Sooner or later you will have to admit that to yourself. And no amount of blaming Serbs or others for the past of SFRJ or the present can deflect that fact.

Like I said I wish it wasnt true but I have read the reports on what Kosovo has to offer and its economic prosects.

Chris Blaku said...

A majority of Serbians left their homes in Kosova willfully, in stark contrast to the forced, government sponsored
exodus that was underway courtesy of Milosevic's regime. Although I do not condone or encourage the exit of Serbians
or any minority from Kosova, this reality pales in the shadow of over a million citizens made refugees in their
backyards. In any event, I am doubtful your resilient cries of ethnic cleansing were as loud when the Albanians were forced southward in a clear attempt to repeat something the Serbians successfully did before, rid the land of Albanian inhabitants.
I said the Serbians were striving to REGAIN CONTROL, and retain would be the proper word to use had the Serbians any control at this point. As the Macedonian-Kosovar border dispute indicates, it appears they do not.
The feeling that Serbian national identity began in Kosova is misguided and outright false. The origins of a modern Serbian identity lie in Rascia, to the northwest of Kosova considerably. The other pillar of the myth of Serbian identity in Kosova lies in its few religious institutions, which are numerous in other parts of the Balkans as well. The fact that the Patriarch of Pej formally held office in Kosova signifies little, as he usually opted to live in Belgrade's opulance rather than Kosova's rugged plains. The third and final pillar with regard to a historical Serbian sentimental claim to Kosovar control is in the context of a battle with the Ottoman Turks and the forces of Sultan Murat I. According to Serbian myth, Prince Lazar commanded a contingent of hundreds of thousands of Serbs (no Albanians, Croats, Bosnians, Vlachs or others, despite their unquestionable presence in the region) and decided to forgive his victory on Earth for a Serbian kingdom in heaven, blah blah blah. Oh and of course, the Serbian hero supposedly killed the Sultan armed with his seven brothers in law. Historians tend to agree with a more realistic version of events, wherein only a portion of the troops were Serbian, most were Albanian, and the hero of the battle was an Albanian named Milesh Kopili. Despite the arguments presented, this battle did not contest Ottoman rule and did not advocate Christiandom in the face of the Islamic invaders, as Serbian historians indicate. A second battle was initiated at the beckoning of Pope Bonafice, who called for a crusade against the Ottomans. King Sigmondson of Hungary obliged, and attacked the Ottomans, who fought under the rule of Sultan Beyazit I, son of Murat, now allied with the son of Prince Lazar, who coincidentally, married his sister off to his father's killer. The Christians lost the battle, due to Serbian betrayal, again.
Trepca's wealth cannot be understated, but Kosova's real wealth lies in its Zinc and lignite deposits, which are the most plentiful in the World. With the obvious depletion of the World's crude oil only decades away, the most promising alternative energy is stated to be zinc (a chief material in propelling hybrid vehicles). According to Forbes Magazine (month not certain), areas rich in Zinc will increase in importantance militarily, financially and politically. They also predict Zinc to replace oil, as oil replaced coal at the turn of the previous century.
I am void of delusion as to the prospect of Kosova's future economically. There is no doubt as to the economic instability of the province, however, I struggle to see how you cannot blame those who have had the province under their control for the past century for it. In any case, the future of the Kosovars will be in their hands, but it is important to remember, wars are not fought for pride or historical importance, but for money and greed.

Anonymous said...

I think Albanians should be sent to labor camps and when they have no use as workers they should be executed. Their fat should become soap, and their skin should be used to bind crappy books.

bg anon said...

Really history lessons leave me cold. Im simply not interested. The reason is that those who quote history / mythology invariably colour it to suit the view they are trying to promote.

You are answering the Serbian Jerusalem argument which is great 'fun' in a way because then somebody who subscribes to the Serbian Jerusalem argument will answer you with his own statistics and facts which will sound equally impressive / unimpressive. You will contradict each other, neither of you will be able to prove anything. In the end nobody will get anywhere. Fantastic because such arguments are guaranteed to allow participants leave the 'debate' without altering their view.

Things are much more interesting for me when agreement and some common facts can be established between 'supposed' bitter enemies. Facts are much more easily established from contemporary history, even if they remain disputed.

So, to ethnic cleansing. Yes according to definitions of ethnic cleasning both Kosovo Albanian and Kosovo Serbian populations were and are cleansed from Kosovo. One should always check the definition first and then decide and I have.

In my opinion it really is churlish and mean spirited to argue the point by saying that somebody voluntarily wanted to leave their home. I mean who really wants to do that unless they feel threatened by somebody?

The big difference between the Kosovo Albanians and Kosovo Serbs who were ethnically cleansed is that Kosovo Albanians were cleansed temporarily and Kosovo Serbs permanenetly. That is a huge difference because for those that remain cleansed the war still isnt over. For those that are safely back in their homes it is.

This situation is simply in my view indefensible. If I were an Albanian I would feel the same way about this. I would ask, how is it that when we were ethnically cleansed we called on the world to help and then NATO intervened. And how is it that many of those same people who were cleansed are now silent or worse still support the ethnic cleansing of non Albanians in Kosovo? That makes them no better than us.

Ironic really because that last comment probably sums it all up.

Anonymous said...

"The big difference between the Kosovo Albanians and Kosovo Serbs who were ethnically cleansed is that Kosovo Albanians were cleansed temporarily and Kosovo Serbs permanenetly."

Yes this is the case however the explanation is rather somewhat different from what you have. See the Albanians were clensed and killed by their serb neighbors. The paramiltaries and soldiers who came from Serbia had no idea who was who in Kosova towns. The list of names was provided by K-serbs. So the cleansing of K-serbs is attributed to their fear of what they did personally. Also it is not true that kosova's government is silent to serbs return as you see from almost weekly returns. Those who do not return most likely had to do somthing with their neighbours disaperance - hence the fear.

Anonymous said...

I am not a Serbia but they are much more honorable and proud that Shiptaris are. Albo dogs suck dick and sleep in the trashl, their women whore themselves out, for pennies. The Serbs do not whore their women or bend over to politically power daily like you dogs

bg anon said...

anon with respect its not very difficult to tell the difference between Kosovo Albanians and Kosovo Serbs.

Im not talking so much physically. Im talking about ethnic villages and towns. Most places in Kosovo would have concentrations of one particular ethnic group. So there were no need for lists.

And if (as Im sure you would say) Kosovo Albanians run for their lives before the Serbs came, again there is no need for lists. For the criminals who stole from peoples homes, well they were happy to steal from Kosovo Serb or Albanian houses. What did they care? Criminals only care about personal profit (although some dress it up with some kind of supposed 'patriotism').

As for your statement about those that havent returned 'most likely' have something to fear. I'd ask you what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Its wrong for you to make assumptions about people before you know anything about the particular case. You could at the very least have a neutral opinion about the subject.
No wonder non Albanians are afraid to return.

And what exactly did the gypsies or Roma do wrong? Why was the entire Roma marhala destroyed by Kosovo Albanian fighters in Southern Mitrovica?

Stop making excuses and do what you expect or want to see Serbs do. ie Take responsibility.