Koha Ditore writes that the head of the US Office and Kosovo Assembly Speaker have different views on how to resolve Kosovo’s status.
The head of the US office in Pristina Philip Goldberg, after meeting Nexhat Daci, has called on institutional and political leaders of Kosovo to start preparation for talks on the final status of Kosovo.
According to Goldberg, the status issue has to go “through talks” and Kosovo leaders have to be prepared. “I have said it many times that there will be negotiations,” he said.
According to Koha, he said the issue of preparations for status was very serious and required discussions and compromise. The US official added that it was not only the question of independence or non-independence; rather “it is the question of how to achieve a joint stance to move forward”.
He also said preparations for the talks on final status had to be placed on the table and discussed more profoundly by the Kosovo government. Goldberg said, “Kosovo’s final status and everything connected to that are very important for the people here. It is also important for me and for my country. But in the end it is up to the people of Kosovo to make this decision”.
Assembly Speaker Nexhat Daci said on the issue, “Treatment of minorities, their non-cooperation, freedom of movement and economic issues, among others, need to be negotiated with Belgrade, but the independence of Kosovo is non-negotiable”.
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The leaders in Kosova are going to screw this up unless they start listening to the advice they are getting on final status negotiations. Independence is by no means a sure thing.
I get the impression that the leaders of Kosova don't understand, or maybe don't care - playing to popular opinion and fiddling while Rome burns etc.
If this blog is any indicator, the pro-Albanian comments are grossly blinkered and so out of touch with western opinion the population and supporters of Kosova have no clue either.
IMHO their only hope of independence is if the Serbian leadership screws up worse. Always a possibility given the recent political history of Serbia.
I can not belive that anyone in their right mind can envision the Albanians of Kosovo exepting anything less than independence. If they weren't willing to compromise when they were in a weak position while under ocupation by the Serb troops, arguably the strongest military in the former Yugoslavia, how can you expect them to compromise now when they effectively run an internal security outfit, the KPS, and can easily mobilise 25 to 30 thousand fighters.
There are two milion people in Kosovo that desire a sovreign state, and they have desired this since 1989, or even 1945 and 1912. The Albanians never wanted to be ruled by the Serbs and they won't be.
If anyone thinks that any of these politicians, ex KLA or not, have any legitimate right to negotiate any other outcome other than independence, think again, because they would turn from being the leadership to being the enemy in no time.
I don't think anyone wants a West Bank in Europe, do you?
Albanian Kosovar, USA
To 9.07
It matters not what you think or not.
"...the Albanians of Kosovo exepting anything less than independence..."
Well, let me tell you something home boy. What the Albanians exept or not is one of the most unimportant things about the whole Kosovo story !!
No threats like yours with fighters here and fighers there will influence the outcome. Serbia alone would crush any resistance in a couple of weeks, and you know it. Kosovo is pretty easy to contain for international troops if that would be the case. I tell you, stop thinking about independence because there will not be any.
America American, USA
Let me tell ya what matters most: who's willing to fight for it. And let me also tell ya that when shit hit the fan, Serb fighters ran like rabbits.
Albanians don't have to win a possible war with Serbia, just fight it out. A side that fought over what it considered its holy land in 8 hr shifts and then went back to the hotel until the next day has no morale. Heck, even US soldiers have sacrificed more in Iraq.
If you have to encourage your bravest troops by letting them out of jails and letting them have all the booty, boy they're gonna run when there is resistance. If every "front" in Kosova was overtaken with the help of about 100 tanks and Prada anti-air artillery, how much will that fighting force need when .50 caliber is waiting for it.
Did I mention Oluja?
To the American American
You have just shown us that you don't have a clue about anything in the Balkans.
The MOST important thing in this issue is the Albanian stance. We have gone along with many compromises during the conflict, but one thing has never been and will never be negotiable. And that is independence.
That is what US,Europe and the rest of the world will have to understand (and I think leading Americans have understood this long time ago, unlike some of their less intellegent brethren)
We will not rest until we have full independence, be very certain about it.
Foreign administrations and politicians come and go, but the people of Kosova have a clear goal which none can change. You can bitch all you want, but independence is gonna come sooner or later. Whether you like that or not.
As somebody else mentioned it, we fought the serbs in a much worse conditions and never waivevered from this cause.
If you think serbia would have it the same way again you are grossly mistaken. A new war will start if serbian military enters Kosova (the serbs are already preparing for that) and this time it will be different. We have a better organisation than we used to, better tactical knowledge, better arms and the support of the whole population. There is no way serbia, or any other occupant, can do anything there. The serbs, as you know, are brave only when fighting babies, women and oldies. When confronted with equal power they will be running all the way to Shumadija...
Bring back serbian military to Kosova and you have a certain war. Give Kosova independence and you'll have peace and prosperity.
Now which is the best solution Einstein?
Tosi
Sweden
Prosperity ... how do they figure that? No industry, no natural resources, no ports, low skills and low education, infrastructure barely adequate. Independent Kosova is likely to be a failed state. Albania without ports if you like.
Given the choice between a west bank in Europe (a serious problem for Serbia) and a failed something between Lethoso and Afghanistan ( a serious international problem) ...
Kosova v Serbia. Ha ha hi hi. THe JNA would clean out those laugable KLA/KPC the same way as last time - slowly, methodically and efficiently. Anybody thinking Kosova can resist the JNA for more than a few weeks while achieving anything is fooling themselves.
Face it, the KLA didn't actually do much fighting last time. Spray and pray attacks from distant hilltops is not combat, children.
Well serb, you seem to have lost your way here...
No natural resources in Kosova?!
Hmmm, not true. The reason serbia is desperatly trying to keep Kosova (and which is a lost cause anyway) is for the vast natural resources.
Kosova will prosper, and leave the failed state of serbia behind. We have natural resources, a very young and eager population. And a free country.
All the ingredients for prosperity...
Unlike your criminal state who has been waging wars for decades. And is still in dispute with three neighbours (Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosova).
Where maffia (Zemun clan) kills prime ministers in a broad daylight. Where Radicals rule the parlament. Where the judicial system can be bought (Kostunica intervenning for Marko Millosevic). Where the economy is still in ruins despite vast help from the West. Where IMF gives ultimatums for serbia to apply reforms.
And where the hatred is still running through the veins of every bit of the society.
First, you'll have to fix your sorry state... Then maybe you can talk about Kosova.
But by then I suspect Kosova will be long way ahead...
JNA vs UCK? On the one side you had a criminal army who is involved in killing civilians. On the other hand you had a guerilla who's actions were severly limited by the serbian bloodthirst for civilian victims.
When UCK killed serbian chetniks and criminals, JNA and the paramilitaries took out their revenge on civilians.
But these are different times. Let the JNA come now if they dare. We'll be sending them howling and screaming all the way back to where they came from... the Caucasus.
Tosi
Sweden
Kosovo Albanian super patriot Tosi from Sweden, they should deport you back to where you came.
fundamentalists do not have space in today's world. people who spread hatred from foreign lands should be sent back to where they came from or belong. let them say or do what they want to do in their own lands and let the law of that land deal with them. Innocent others are suffering for no reason.
Good to see the serbian loosing his temper along with this discussion.
It was never really a match, the serbs have no arguments after all. They just scream their delusion loud and hope someone will listen. Unfortunately the world has listened to them for too long... But that is about to change.
A lesson for you my dear serbian uneducated chetnik. There are many ways to be a patriot. The Albanian diaspora is one of the strongest financially. And the Albanian-American lobby group is one of the most influental. That is how we help our country.
The serbian diaspora on the other hand kills innocent female foreign ministers in Sweden. Because she was a supporter of Nato bombings of serbia.
But what can you expect from fanatical murderous serbs...
That's why you're still in the Middle Ages.
Tosi
Sweden
what jobs are albanian diaspora involved in?
natural resources - what????........ where???????
To yet another anonymous serb (4:12 AM blogger)
Why are you so afraid of showing your name?
Well, continue hiding behind your screen if it makes your little delusional world better.
"Fundamentalists from abroad?"
Nah, I don't think so. I'm just stating facts here. Prove them wrong if you can.
I'm sorry if the truth hurts.
"Spreading hate"
You should know everything about that, that is after all, the serbian area of expertise.
But I have to dissapoint you once again. I just talk about facts, not wishful thinking or distortion of events.
What would be useful for both of you anonymous serbs is to start school again. Having so many uneducated and illiterate serbs in serbia can only bring instability to the region.
Tosi
Sweden
your judgements are so stupid. is anyone who states the facts - other than you - a Serb? Is it too difficult to understand, that Kosovar Albanians are not the only knowledeable souls on this earth - who know facts and history. Others seem to know history too... after-all lot of other parts of the world seems to be progressing well. where is Kosova ?
vast untapped resources in Kosova - natural and human. laugh anyone...
then why stay abroad and not in kosova to harvest those resources and help kosova develop?
"what natural resources?"
This is a clear evidence of faltering serbian school system. The poor uneducated serbs don't have a clue about their neighbours, or the world in general. No wonder they are so easy to manipulate by their fanatical leaders.
Let us see here. We can start with the Trepca mine, one of the biggest zink resources in Europe.
Then we have other big resources of nickel futher south. You know nickel that is used on everything, from mobile phones to batteries. A metal of the future.
Then we have the big carbon mines in Obilic.
And not to forget the Uranim 238, which was found lately in Eastern Kosova, near American Camp Bondsteel.
We are talking about vast resources here. And since Kosova is not a big area, those resources will do just fine in pushing Kosovas economic development.
End of the lesson. Now go and read your homework.
Tosi
Sweden
Can you just show me what "facts" you are talking about?
Wishful thinking and propaganda are not the same you know.
And I'm not saying Albanians are the most knowledgeble souls on earth. What I'M saying on the other hand is that serbs have falsified the history unpunished for too long. And that is about to change.
Last but not least, don't worry, I will be returning to my homecountry soon. Like many other Albanians, we were forced to flee from the serbian butchers in the 90s. But the time is coming for the return. In a free Kosova.
Tosi
Sweden
Just cause we're in Sweden or Germany or Switzerland doesn't mean anything, at least we are not killing their Prime Ministers for doing the right thing.
"No industry, no natural resources, no ports, low skills and low education, infrastructure barely adequate"
You describe Serbia my friend, also please add "no love for oneanother".
http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16103959xw.jpg
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http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unk874442nb.jpg - Look what he's sitting at, the 'Serbian' border, (Kosova-Albania, Koshare)
Have you ever heard about:
Battle of Pashtrik Mountain
Battle of Koshare (where the KLA took control of the Kosovar-Albanian border, even NATO was very pleased about this. Just do a G-Search on 'Koshare' and you will see what true military success is)
Battle of Gllogjan
Battle of Rahovec (where KLA liberated a _CITY_)
Battle of Loxha
etc etc.
And with only 20.000 man, against a huge military machine, this is probably one of the most bravest and most successful war in modern European history.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/321422.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/321741.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/323739.stm
http://www.mup.sr.gov.yu/domino/teror.nsf/zrtvey - Killed occupation forces 1980-1997
http://www.mup.sr.gov.yu/domino/teror.nsf/zrtvex - Killed occupation forces Jan 1998 - July 1998
http://www.mup.sr.gov.yu/domino/teror.nsf/ubijeni - Killed occupation forces July 98 - Dec 98
http://www.mup.sr.gov.yu/domino/teror.nsf/pol99 - Killed occupation forces Jan 99 - Jun 99
http://www.mup.sr.gov.yu/domino/teror.nsf/oteti99 - 'Dissapeared' occupation forces during the war
Big failure huh? I have lots of more if you want. A blown up helicopter, a total batallion wiped out etc etc. Just tell me if you still believe that the KLA was a 'big failure'
Yep, KLA was zero, and is zero.
Battalion wiped out :D You losers beleve that?
But the albanians don't even realize. All those dumb memorials to Jashari show him with a gun, when he died like a sheep.
Discussions on this blog have really gone downhill lately....
Totally agree with 11:16 AM blogger. Some of the causes are that each time somebody dares and criticizes Kosovo or its government the ”guardian bloggers” will:
A) Immediately (and miraculously) classify them as Serbs and
B) All the answers are (re)focused on Serbia (don’t tell me about Kosovo crime because crime in Serbia is higher,…Yes but you Serbs have killed your own prime minister, etc etc).
It is very silly and to no benefits to assume anything about anonymous commentator let alone his/hers nationality or origin. By the same token by refocusing on Serbia by no means makes Kosovo better. I was under impression that Kosovans aim is more than just to be better than Serbia (or Albania) and Serbs but I might be mistaken. Nothing looks more like a Serb than an Albanian does and vice versa.
"Nothing looks more like a Serb than an Albanian does and vice versa."
Uhhh dude, we're not the ones stopping Serbia from gaining independence, in fact we dont care about what happens with it as long as they keep their stuff there, and not bring it here.
Yes, we have to refocus it on Serbia cause when you get attacked, you have to reply somehow. None of us here can get rid of crime, but when an individual tries to portray an image of my home (Kosova) as if its full of prostitutes (not that i have anything against them, its a difficult "job" but respect all people in the end), drug lords (these guys deserve sharing a prision cell with some big horny mafia dude), murderers (same), rapists (same), then I have to reply and show the potential reader that this Serb (most probably) has nothing else to discredit Kosova with. In other words, you insult my country, my people :) must reply.. ;)
nighty night...
To 2.20 AM
.50 cal ??
I dont know if you know, but 220 of .50 cal rifles named Barett were delivered to Serbia this summer. Is this the weapon you are talking about ?
No, I was talking about the semi-automatic ones with 5 bullet cartridges. Those are slow.
Tosi,
What are you doing in Sweden, come back to Albania, come to Kosovo you can shine the shoes of your Albanian leaders.
You can stand around in town doing nothing in Albania as well as in Sweden.
Ylber said:
At 3:42 AM, Anonymous, you are truly an antagonistic racist. You have no integrity, use little facts and fabricate a reality that only you belive in.
I on the other hand use facts. And not just any facts, facts released by your own government of the Republic of Serbia.
On national recourses:
The Serbian Academy of Sciences estimates that "the subsoil of Kosovo, one of the richest of Europe, holds enormous deposits of lignite, lead, zinc, non-ferric metals, gold, silver and petroleum, on top of 17 billion tons of coal."
The Serbian Interior Ministry: June of 2003.
“The Serb state could not sustain a prolonged guerrilla war in Kosovo today. The Albanian population is predisposed to help an Albanian guerilla movement, like the one of the late 90's. While the Serbian economy is not in a good state, a war in Kosovo would most certainly bring it to the brink of collapse. The Serbian Army and Police do not have the logistical and financial structures in place today to engage in such an endeavor and finish the task with desired results. The Albanian Diaspora, on the other hand, has mechanisms in place to stage a strong financial backing for an eventual confrontation, and taking into consideration that the cost of maintaining a guerilla militia is much lower than deploying Military and Police units, the Albanian guerillas would most certainly have enough cash flow to continue the conflict for years.
There is also no support in the international community for the eventual return of Serbian forces to Kosovo, now or at a later date.
As such this commission is suggesting the dissolution of the Kosovo Army Corps within the Third Serbian Army. The funds spent in support of this outfit could be better used to prepare the Serbian Army for the eventual membership in NATO’s Partnership for Peace program."
Today, my friend, The Kosovo Army Corps does not exist. The Serbian government and the Army of Serbia have dissolved this outfit, since they know that they will never get to use it again.
Since your government has mad peace with that fact, shouldn't you?
Sincerely, Ylber.
Remember Srebrenica — a.k.a. ‘So what if we globalized al Qaeda!’
By Julia Gorin
http://www.jewishworldreview.com | Recently, "Hannity & Colmes", of the usually less-easily-fooled-than-other-networks Fox News Channel, treated us masses to a "genocide" video that's been handed over to the Hague's International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY). Pouring even more fuel onto the carefully cultivated and long accepted caricature of the evil Serb, Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes were of one mind when Hannity called the actions of the Bosnian Serb soldiers in the video "pure evil" and "evil incarnate."
Without being wrong about evil on display in the video, the network had been had. The circulation of, and the outrage surrounding, this tape — especially high right now in guilt-ridden Serbia itself — is a sign that things have gone from bad to worse in the prosecution of Slobodan Milosevic. Especially in anticipation of today's 10-year commemoration of the Srebrenica massacre, the Hague desperately required a new wave of shocking images to win in the court of public emotion the case that's being lost in the court of foregone conclusion.
Tsk, tsk, Fox. Somebody hasn't been following the Milosevic trial. But since that somebody will look silly only to the six or so Americans who have been following it, there's no risk in spouting the tribunal's PR. PR because this trial is supposed to justify the new International Criminal Court's (ICC) existence and convince the Bush administration of its utility, not its futility.
There's a reason for the conspicuous three-year near silence by all major media on this oh-so-momentous Second Nuremberg, as it was billed — a silence broken only one or two days a year, when they're finally able to offer up a damning piece of evidence that will perpetuate the version of events we've been sold from the beginning.
What even the most sporadic trial observer would know is that the Court has spent the last three years discovering what many of us knew in 1999: Milosevic was "a thug whose brutality played into the terrorists' hands," as former Boston Herald and JWR columnist Don Feder has repeatedly explained, but he was no exterminator. Working backwards to make the crime fit the punishment, however, the ICTY has had to redefine "genocide." Thus, Milosevic faces charges of genocide even while the extermination of more than 100,000 black Muslim and Christian men, women and children by Arabic Muslims in Sudan still hasn't been granted the label. But then, the exterminators there aren't white Christian Serbs.
The 1995 Srebrenica massacre of 7,000 Muslim males was inexcusable, but it wasn't genocide. If you would, imagine a scenario in which a single event is manipulated to lend credence to an ocean of lies. Imagine Srebrenica. Here it is in April 1993, from someone who was there. Haris Nezirovic was a Bosnian journalist writing for the weekly "Slobodna Bosna" ("Free Bosnia"), and this for the UK Independent:
"The UN hopes to evacuate 15,000 people over the next few days. The Muslim command defending Srebrenica claims the UN operations amount to complicity in Serbian 'ethnic cleansing'. Privately, the commanders add, they believe that the Serbs will not launch an all-out attack as long as refugees are there. More importantly, they say that without the civilians the defense of the town would crumble. They believe that Muslim fighters are better motivated when their families are there behind them. …
"What this means in practice is thousands of civilians will have to remain in full range of Serbian guns: children with scabies who cannot be treated because of a lack of medicine; the elderly who are so weak from hunger that they cannot fight for air-dropped scraps of food; and mothers who feed their babies with warm water because nothing else is available. …
"When the first UN trucks came last month, they were supposed to evacuate only a few wounded, but hundreds rushed on board. When the next convoy came on 28 March, thousands stampeded towards the vehicles.
"'We'll screw up those convoys,' said Naser Oric, the local Muslim commander....When another convoy came on 30 March, masses of civilians surrounded the trucks but were kept back by the commanders' personal guard — a group of 30 foul-mouthed soldiers suspected of robberies and other crimes. During the night, the guards accepted bribes in German marks to let people on board. Many refugees on the UN list for evacuation were beaten up. Witnesses said the deputy commander slapped and kicked women and pushed children from the trucks.
"On 4 April the local [Muslim] police used fire hoses to keep people away from the UN vehicles. Jets of water knocked down anyone who approached. Soldiers climbed on trucks and fired into the air. …
"Ever more frequently, you hear civilians say, 'Our soldiers are worse than Chetniks, the Serbs.'"
Sarajevo, meanwhile, "never seemed very interested in the fate of…Srebrenica," says Radio Netherlands editor James Kliphuis, "except to list it as [a] supreme example of the outside world's lack of interest in what happened to the Bosnian Muslims." A statement entered into testimony at the ICTY in Feb. 2004, by UN Commander in Bosnia from 1992 to 1993 Philippe Morillon, read: "The aim of the [Bosnian] presidency from the very outset was to ensure the intervention of the international forces for their own benefit, and this is one of the reasons why they never were inclined to engage in talks."
That presidency refers to Alijah Izetbegovic, who was being investigated by the ICTY for war crimes (which the Court revealed only upon his death in 2003), and who was part of the Nazi SS Handzar division during WWII, which butchered Serbs and the ethnic minorities of Yugoslavia. He also authored "The Islamic Declaration", in which he stated: "The shortest definition of the Islamic order defines it as unity of faith and law, upbringing and force, ideals and interests, spiritual community and State…a Muslim generally does not exist as an individual… […] There can be no peace or coexistence between 'the Islamic faith' and non-Islamic social and political institutions."
Pursuant to Izetbegovic's end game, writes Michigan-based Balkans writer and historian Carl Savich, "the Bosnian Muslim faction engaged in propaganda, staged massacres, killed Bosnian Muslim civilians to garner sympathy and used civilian hostages or shields to further its propaganda of victimization." For example, the 1992 Breadline Massacre and the Markale Marketplace bombings of 1994 and 95 resulted in U.S. economic sanctions and a bombing campaign, respectively, of the Serbs — despite European headlines like the Sunday Times of London's "Serbs 'not guilty' of massacre, Experts warned US that mortar was Bosnian" (Oct. 1, 1995).
The widely cited 2002 official Dutch report on Srebrenica seems to confirm the use of such tactics. As BBC.com reported that year, the Dutch Government "pins part of the blame on the Bosnian Muslims themselves, saying the Bosnian army had provoked attacks."
Srebrenica Muslims "ravaged and ransacked neighbouring ethnic Serb villages," continues Kliphuis, "killing and maiming the residents, who were often too old to offer any resistance….The Serb villages were then set on fire." After his role in killing up to 2,000 Serbs, Oric himself fled Srebrenica just before it was stormed by the Bosnian Serb army.
The Serbs evacuated women, children and elderly before the males were killed without being distinguished as civilians or POWs, making Srebrenica a massacre, something the Serbs admit.
By deeming Srebrenica a genocide, however, the court at the Hague has expanded the term's legal definition, so that now, not only do 7,000 bodies qualify (regardless of how many belong to armed fighters), not only does there not have to be genocidal intent, but it doesn't even have to involve eliminating the child-bearing sex or the offspring of the ethnic group in question. As a BBC.com report concluded, "the definition may now be applied to conflict in a small community, where local atrocities can be labeled as genocide."
The 2002 Dutch report, meanwhile, goes on to state that no evidence "suggests the involvement of the Serbian authorities in Belgrade," with principal responsibility attributed to fugitive Bosnian Serb general Ratko Mladic.
Which brings us back to the Milosevic trial. Like a Moliere farce, within months of 19 Muslim hijackers (some of whom fought in Bosnia) attacking the United States, the trial of Slobodan Milosevic began at the Hague in the Netherlands, today a country where artists and members of parliament are hunted down for practicing freedom of speech (e.g. Theo van Gogh, Geert Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali) — by the co-religionists of those on whose behalf Milosevic is being prosecuted.
If one wonders why, 364 days out of 365, our media organs send us no word from this "Nuremberg II" — incidentally a laughing stock among legal experts (deputy prosecutor Geoffrey Nice had to reprimand reporters for knocking the prosecution's performance and flimsy evidence) — the following trial developments, easily gleaned from a casual perusal of wire copy or European press, may help explain:
The first week of the trial in particular was marked by one embarrassment after another for the prosecution, starting with the testimony of Ratomir Tanic, who was supposedly present when the genocide order was given but who under cross-examination couldn't even say where in the presidential palace Milosevic's office was located — and eventually turned out to have been paid by British intelligence to testify. Then there was a witness named Halit Barani, whom Milosevic asked if he knew that KLA commanders were to assassinate all Albanians loyal to Serbia. Barani revealed that he was sympathetic to the KLA, had met with numerous commanders, then indicted the entire Albanian population of Kosovo: "The KLA was born from within the people, to protect parents, brothers and sisters."
A 2002 BBC wire report related Albanian "farmer" Agim Zeqiri's testimonythat Serb forces burned down his village and killed members of his family. Upon cross-examination, when the proceedings brought to light that his village of Celina was harboring and supporting Albanian rebels, Zeqiri claimed to feel too ill to continue, but "did acknowledge that the KLA had used the village as a source of provisions and that at least 300 members of the KLA were based there."
Another witness, Fehim Elshani, was actually rebuked by the now deceased presiding judge Richard May, when he refused to answer Milosevic's questions at all. In the end, he testified that he did not know of any KLA crimes, while admitting that his son was KLA. Elshani, Zeqiri and another "farmer", Halil Morina — who claimed to have no knowledge of any KLA presence in his village of Landovica (where after the war a monument was erected to the town's fallen KLA soldiers) — frequently avoided eye contact with Milosevic as he cross-examined them.
The three-judge panel actually ruled in favor of Milosevic's objections to admitting testimony from chief Kosovo war crimes investigator Kevin Curtis because of the irrelevance of "evidence" composed entirely of "repeating stories he had heard from others," the AP reported. When the prosecution's intelligence analyst Stephen Spargo detailed through maps the routes taken by 800,000 or so deported or fleeing Albanians in 1999, Milosevic asked whether he knew that 100,000 Serbs left Kosovo along with everyone else once NATO started bombing. Spargo answered that he "hadn't been assigned to document Serb displacements." Naturally. In Kosovo, Milosevic continued, since there were 10 Albanians to every Serb, proportionally speaking, more Serbs than Albanians fled Kosovo — casting doubt on the forced-deportation argument that the Clinton government helped craft for our consumption.
Milosevic scored points early on when he showed the court an Albanian map depicting Greater Albania, which included southeast Montenegro, southern Serbia, western Macedonia and parts of northern Greece in addition to Kosovo — a long-harbored dream of many in Albania and Kosovo. It goes without saying that the American people were not shown this map of Greater Albania as they were being sold a story of Milosevic's push for a "Greater Serbia."
Meanwhile, the forensic evidence at the Racak "massacre", our final-straw pretext for bombing our historical ally whose people saved 500 downed U.S. pilots in WWII, disproved that a massacre had taken place. And virtually every Albanian-rumored "mass grave" in Kosovo turned up empty, as Wall St. Journal's Daniel Pearl was finding a few years before Muslims decapitated him in Pakistan.
The first Western leader to appear at the trial was Lord Paddy Ashdown, former head of England's Liberal Democrat Party and current UN High Representative in Bosnia. Ashdown was also the first witness to admit that the KLA fighters were a terrorist organization which Yugoslavia was fighting.
Eastern European and Balkan affairs writer Neil Clark summed up the trial in a UK Guardian article of Feb. 2004 (the month the prosecution wrapped up its two-year case): "Not only has the prosecution signally failed to prove Milosevic's personal responsibility for atrocities committed on the ground, the nature and extent of the atrocities themselves has also been called into question."
Without a smoking gun linking Milosevic to crimes in Kosovo (widely anticipated to be an easier indictment to make stick than Croatia and Bosnia, where local Serbian leaders were in command), the Tribunal gave prosecutors the green light to tack on charges related to Croatia and Bosnia. It was a move that chief prosecutor Carla Del Ponte initially said the prosecution wouldn't pursue, given that that conflict was closed with the 1995 Dayton Peace Accords, which the Clinton administration hosted and for which the administration hailed Milosevic as a force for peace and stability in the Balkans.
Going ahead with the Bosnia charges, then, the prosecution brought in the UN Commander Philipe Morillon in February of last year, his testimony meant to tie Milosevic to Srebrenica. Giving instead unwelcome testimony that Milosevic had headed off an initial attack on Srebrenica's Muslims, Morillon said he had asked Milosevic in 1993 to intervene with the Bosnian Serb government to prevent a potential massacre in Srebrenica, which Milosevic did, convincing the Serbs to halt their offensive so the UN could set up a safe haven. Morillon, whose residence was shelled by Bosnian Muslims during the war, was the one to set up the safe haven — but he failed to demilitarize it, enabling the Bosnian Muslim commander Naser Oric to turn the enclave into his military base of operations, from which he launched attacks on Serbs.
Morillon saw the exhumed remains of tortured, mutilated, and executed Bosnian Serb civilians and soldiers, and testified that Oric's forces engaged in "attacks during Orthodox holidays [including Christmas Eve] and destroyed villages, massacring all the inhabitants. This created a degree of hatred that was quite extraordinary…."
If there was a clear guilty party, and a clear victim on behalf of whom support, and later war, by the United States was warranted, logic demands an explanation as to how it can be that more than a year into the proceedings, the Court haltingly, quietly decided it had to issue warrants for, and try, Croats and Albanian and Bosnian Muslims for war crimes as well, making the "victims" guilty too. Nasir Oric, who didn't take prisoners, was ultimately indicted — though his indictment was not made public. There are videotapes of Oric's atrocities; as well, images of Albanians and mujahedeen in Bosnia victoriously holding up or stepping on disembodied Serb heads are viewable.
And yet even in those once- or twice-a-year "updates" on the Hague Tribunal by our major newspapers and networks, the only graphic details we're permitted to know of and judge are of Serbian crimes. Tapes showing the slaughter of Serbs by Bosnians and Albanians have been conspicuously absent from our airwaves, leaving the American public with only Serb crimes to speak of. It's a silence that should be deafening to any American patriot.
When, for the sake of context, mentioning Bosnian Muslim acts becomes unavoidable, such acts are referred to as "attacks", but not "slaughters", "massacres", "atrocities", "crimes against humanity" or, perish the thought, "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing", even if in this case intent was present. Such inflammatory language, after all, is reserved for Serbs. "Revenge killings", the term that continues to be used to describe Albanian murders of Serbs in Kosovo (including octogenarians) and that could easily describe what the Serbs did in Srebrenica, remains the exclusive privilege of the Balkans' Muslims.
Americans don't hear about the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Srebrenica, just as they didn't hear much about the ethnic cleansing by Croatia of up to half a million Serbs. Anyone looking for the truth about the Balkans is labeled "pro-Serb", "anti-Muslim", or a victim of "Serbian propaganda" (try and find that in this country). Meanwhile, even the truest Bosnian Muslim victims, genuinely "believing themselves the virtuous victims of 'aggression' and 'genocide'," writes Washington-based blogger and Balkans observer Nebojsa Malic, are "blinded to Izetbegovic's hateful ideology of domination that tore Bosnia apart."
Serbia has been experiencing a uniquely weird national phenomenon of late. Tired of being a pariah nation, whether that status is deserved or not, the Serbs are putting themselves through a sort of self-punishment. Wanting to be allowed back into the international fold of "decent" nations, they desperately want their government to just fall in line with any Western demands, and they want Milosevic convicted, so they can finally put the 90s behind them. To that end, many Serbs alternate between practicing self-censorship (it's politically incorrect in Serbia today to defend or explain Serb actions of the 90s), and self-deception, wherein Serbs manage to convince themselves that the world is right and they were the bad guy of the 1990s, themselves chiefly to blame for the civil wars that destroyed their country. In other words, the Serbs are betraying their own history. Perhaps the first intimation that this would come was a NY Times op-ed in 1999, written by a Serbian woman who said that although the numbers in Kosovo aren't panning out, even if a single Albanian was killed excessively, her country deserved what it got.
It's gotten so that in January 2004, the United Nations Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) had to issue a statement disputing a self-blaming Belgrade report on mass graves in Kosovo: "Some media reports have quoted a senior Belgrade official as stating that there are 198 mass graves in Kosovo. The Office on Missing Persons and Forensics (OMPF) would like to categorically state that no evidence has been provided to OMPF regarding existence of any mass graves in Kosovo. Such unfounded statements reflect a lack of sensitivity to an issue that is extremely emotive and causes considerable anguish for all affected families."
In the meantime, the authentic mass graves that are being found contain Serb bodies — presumed to be those of civilians missing since 1998 and thought to be kidnapped by the KLA, as BBC.com reported in March. "If confirmed, this would be the second such find in a month after 24 bodies were found in a cave" in February, with wrecked cars thrown on top of them, according to local media.
The "Hannity & Colmes" hosts said that it seemed whoever the Serb was that offered up the Srebrenica tape to the Court apparently had a "bout of conscience." But if one knows anything about the way things work in the Balkans today, the more likely story is that someone was just looking to get paid (or to get amnesty and a new life), and the easiest way to do that today is to help push the old story.
Last December, when some wayward media in Serbia published graphic photos of crimes committed by Ramush Haradinaj — who recently stepped down as Kosovo's prime minister to face war crimes charges — the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and other members of the international community were critical, saying that "by publishing such vivid reminders of crimes committed against the Serbs, the media was guilty for perpetrating hate and intolerance, whereas its task is to look ahead towards peace and reconciliation," reports Serge Trifkovic, author of "The Sword of the Prophet" and director of the Institute for International Affairs in Rockford, IL.
Offering a glimpse into the Serbian state of mind, along with a hope for reconciliation with America, is a letter from Aleksandar Kis, of Vrsac, Serbia:
"In my country today it is almost illegal to say that we are right. Sometimes when I wake up, I believe that I live in Albania or Croatia. Even our own media are anti-Serbic! Only few media are free to comment anything, others are under democratic censorship. ...
"You see, there are less than 2-3% Serbs in Kosovo comparing to pre-war numbers, but there are 100,000 Albanians in Belgrade. In my hometown, I go to Albanian-held bakery. ...
"In Serbia, we have few free media, of which one is 'Srpski Nacional' newspaper that was supporting Bush campaign last year, calling for Serbs to influence their relatives in USA to vote for Bush. This paper is trying to tell Serbs that USA is no longer foe and aggressor. [I hope] to achieve that Star Spangled Banner isn't a symbol of oppression for us anymore…We never considered USA as evil. Strangely for Europeans, we more liked Nixon and Reagan than Kennedy. I want to say, we considered USA a country 'across the lake'. We don't understand what happened with our relationship."
Trying to improve that relationship, Serbia has offered a battalion to assist U.S. troops in Kabul. But who will assist Serbia with the terror haven that is Kosovo? Certainly not those pushing for the province's independence, something that would be a key nail in the free world's coffin once peacekeepers, now acting as our eyes and ears there, have to leave.
As the world adeptly looks the other way, not only is cultural genocide and defamation taking place and history being perverted, but the international meddlers are capitalizing precisely on the public's disinterest in the Balkans, officially establishing an Islamic gangster state in Europe as our exit strategy.
The meddlers include the Council on Foreign Relations, the International Crisis Group, a number of Congressmen, most of the Clinton-era State Department — now working for quasi-governmental institutes — and Wesley Clark. Clark warned in a February Wall St. Journal op-ed that "a violent collision may occur by year-end" if we don't give the Albanians what they want — and this four-star general advocated doing just that. After all, a violent collision would shine an unwelcome spotlight on his "successful war", as he spent all of election year billing it in contrast to Iraq. So Clark wants to close the book as soon as possible on Kosovo, where there were four more explosions over the July 4th weekend — ongoing attempts to persuade the international community that only one final status is acceptable: complete independence, without border compromises. Besides, he already promised his erstwhile campaign donors, the National Albanian American Council, that "Kosova" would be independent, using the purposeful Albanian mispronunciation of the Serbian word as his old boss had. In the Journal piece, Clark even suggested pummeling the Serbs again if Belgrade got in the way (since it's easier than fighting Albanian terrorists).
So that Americans don't start connecting any obvious dots, two things must remain obscured as the Milosevic verdict nears and as the push for Kosovo independence goes full throttle this year: the al Qaeda connection to Bosnia and Kosovo, and the ever-present atrocities against Serbs.
The broadcasting of the Srebrenica video was actually an opening salvo in this campaign, whether the Fox News Channel is aware of it or not (the hosts certainly are not, but if the network is, it's an ominous sign). The channel that's supposed to function as a deprogrammer for the public's media-produced minds has itself become part of the machine. A couple weeks ago, Fox News announced Wesley Clark, whose Albanian friends are promising war against NATO and UN forces if there is no independence for Kosovo, as its newest military and foreign affairs analyst. (On July 19th, PBS will be broadcasting a Dutch documentary about one Albanian-America making precisely this promise: Brooklyn roofer Florin Krasniqi, who has been smuggling arms into Kosovo for years and helping resettle KLA fighters here.)
Understandably, for Sean Hannity the broadcast offered a rare chance to throw a bone to the Muslim world — precisely the purpose the Serbs have been serving for the rest of the globe all along. (Because somehow, even while atrocities across the planet are indeed brought to us by Muslims, in a bizarre twist from the trend, we found a singular, exceptional case not of Muslims waging a jihad, but of secular Europe's religious misfits doing so, the Orthodox Christian Serbs.)
Serbs are the universal punching bag; there are no repercussions for anything one might say about them. Initial reports in 1993 even attributed the World Trade Center bombing to "Serbian terrorists." Serb concerns are routinely trivialized, their perspectives dismissed as whining or self-serving. When, in the midst of our 1999 offensive on Yugoslavia, a friend calling in to a talk radio show dared imply that Serbs weren't responsible for the Markale Marketplace bombings, she was instantly reprimanded by the incredulous hostess: "Are you defending the SERBS?!"
"Serbs perfectly meet all the PC-villain criteria," explains political satirist Oleg Atabashian, who runs PeoplesCube.com (the site will be operational again tomorrow). "They're another white, Christian, European minority supposedly guilty of oppressing the most popular 'minority', the Muslims. A whole new nation of Serbs is getting sacrificed right before our eyes on the altar of the self-hating cult that western society has become."
The Serbs have been "targeted by propaganda of unprecedented proportions accusing them of Nazi-like evil," writes Malic (recall former CNN reporter Christiane Amanpour showing us a funeral she said was for two Muslim babies killed by a Serb sniper but who turned out to be Serbian babies killed by a Muslim sniper). If there has been hesitation from Serbian authorities, whether in handing over war criminals or officially admitting that Srebrenica was a massacre, it's because they are "rightly afraid it would be considered an admission of the fabrications as well," Malic explains. He is echoed by Trifkovic: "Serbia needs to come to terms with all that came to pass under Milosevic, but not at the cost of losing its soul."
With the current media blitz surrounding the Srebrenica video, which was seized on by every major news organization and news site, there is a renewed rehashing of Serb wickedness, its pitch highest in Serbia itself where, Mr. Kis reports, all media are pointing an accusing finger at Milosevic, the country and the Serbian people in general. One law professor on national TV said the execution showed the "collective guilt" of the Serbian people. No connections are made about the disparity that while Muslims returning to the now Serb-dominated Srebrenica do so without incident or danger, Serbs daring to return to Kosovo face pogroms (which reached a crescendo in March of last year).
As the July 11th mark has neared, we've seen a sensational flurry of Serb vilification — again. On July 4th, the New York Times ran a Srebrenica article that devoted a single paragraph to the trial of Muslim forces at Srebrenica. To corral any potentially wayward readers, the writer paraphrased the prosecution's take that "while war crimes were committed by Bosnian Muslims and Croats during the wars, evidence is overwhelming that most were committed by Serbs." Indeed, that was the only evidence being sought.
In contrast to the current anti-Serb orgy, we haven't heard much about all the Bosnian charities being monitored or raided for funding terrorism, or about the Bosnian who was one of the masterminds behind the Madrid bombing, or about the six Algerian-born Bosnian citizens held at Guantanamo for planning to blow up the American and British embassies in Sarajevo (NY Times, 10/21/04), or about Bosnia issuing passports to Osama bin Laden and his second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri, who has operated camps and WMD factories throughout Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia. Nor will we hear that the terrorists who carried out a spate of suicide attacks in Iraq last August, including one at the UN headquarters that killed 22, were trained in Bosnia, or that al Qaeda's top Balkans operative, al-Zawahiri's brother Mohammed, had a high position in the KLA. We'll never know that Bosnia today is the "one-stop shop close to Europe" for all the terrorism needs — weapons, money, documents — of Chechen and Afghani fighters passing through Europe before heading to Iraq. Little wonder, then, that when SFOR (the UN Stabilization Force in Bosnia) intercepts weapons shipments to Iraq, we don't hear about that either.
Three weeks into our 78-day bombing of Belgrade, an Indian UN commander in Bosnia, General Satish Nambiar, gave a speech in New Delhi saying, "Portraying the Serbs as evil and everybody else as good was not only counter-productive but also dishonest. According to my experience, all sides were guilty but only the Serbs would admit that they were no angels, while the others would insist that they were. With 28,000 forces under me and with constant contacts with UNHCR and the International Red Cross officials, we did not witness any genocide beyond killings and massacres on all sides."
Yet when former Kosovo Verification Mission observer Roland Keith testified earlier this year that he had seen no evidence of genocide in Kosovo, Canada's New Democratic Party forced him to withdraw his candidacy in British Columbia's provincial elections.
Starting with the elder President Bush and escalating under Clinton, we consistently abetted nationalism and xenophobia in the Balkans, and today our media and government continue trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. With the decision on Kosovo's status looming, the administration of George W. Bush has an opportunity to right a historic wrong and chart a straight course in the Balkans, one that will finally be in line with his defining vision, the War on Terror.
Great nations admit their mistakes. They don't reinforce them. But in the past weeks, as this country has fallen way short of its potential for greatness and Americans have been treated to a rare, genuine propaganda campaign reinforcing our Balkans mischief, it is up to the American people to demand that the record be set straight.
If a commission was set up to determine whether a presidential administration did or didn't do all it could to prevent kamikaze attacks on 9/11, good G-d, what of an administration that committed the might of the U.S. Air Force to bomb Europe for a legacy beyond sexual harassment — lying about genocide to achieve it?
Anyone looking for evidence of a "treasonous war", of being "misled into war", "rushed to war" or being "lied to", look no farther than 1999. Recovered at an Afghanistan al Qaeda training camp was an Albanian Kosovar's application reading, "I have Kosovo Liberation Army combat experience against Serb and American forces. ...I recommend (suicide) operations against (amusement) parks like Disney." If the protests reserved for a Republican war had also been mounted against the Democrats' war in Kosovo, had we known our friends from our enemies and not allowed the Balkans to become a terror gateway into the Western world, it's just possible we may never have had 9/11.
It was Lee Hamilton, the man who would become co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission, whom President-elect Bill Clinton patted on the shoulder in 1992 and assured, "I've been traveling around our country for a year and no one cares about foreign policy other than about six journalists."
Hamilton responded by reminding Clinton that the last two presidents had built their legacies on foreign policy. It would appear that ultimately, President Clinton fell back on Hamilton's suggestion.
Testifying at the Milosevic trial at the Hague last September, former policy analyst James Jatras, who worked for the Senate Republican Policy Committee from 1985 to 2000, quoted the 9/11 Commission's finding that it was in 1990s Bosnia that the "groundwork for a true terrorist network was being laid." That network is today known as al Qaeda.
The Balkans were the early, key prize that Iran and Osama bin Laden sought as a terror corridor to the West. We delivered it to them. Why?
Senator Hamilton, your commission's work is unfinished.
Same piece of propaganda? Dude I wonder what hobby you have, is it called something like "copying pasting bad propaganda attempts around the web"?
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I assume you're a very young Serb who isn't getting any. Here is a piece of advice, if you want to impress a girl, keep your mouth shut cause looks like that is what is pushing them away. I use to be like that too you know, although i did not speak of hate and made attempts to insult other nations(people), but i was rather fond of math :) yep the nerdy kind ;)
Here we go again, rebuffing the serbian connection of Julia Gorin
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17416
The Jews, the Serbs, and the Truth
By Stephen Schwartz
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 21, 2005
On March 16, 2005, FrontPageMagazine.com published an article titled “A Jewish Albatross: The Serbs,” by Julia Gorin. The text included a number of factual inaccuracies and allegations, and has been interpreted by some American Jewish leaders as a serious impeachment of their moral judgment regarding the Balkan Wars of the 1990s.
As a journalist and author engaged with Balkan Jewish history and social issues for almost 30 years, I do not think anybody could be more aware than myself of the sensitivities involved in assessing the relations between Jews, Serbs, and the other Balkan and South Slavic peoples. My own book, Sarajevo Rose, on Jewish-Muslim relations in the Western Balkans, has just been published. While it is a daunting task, it is nonetheless worthwhile, in my view, to address the factual errors in Ms. Gorin’s contribution.
Ms. Gorin begins by inferring that violence by Kosovar Albanians may be described as “terrorism by Muslim militants.” There are not now and never have been, in recent times, “Muslim militants” in Kosovo, aside from a handful of individuals and some Saudi and other Gulf Arab-state cells operating through relief agencies. Kosovar Albanians include a large Catholic minority, who are no less nationalist in their sentiments than Muslims. The three armed groups involved in the war against Serbia – the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA-UCK), the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kosovo (FARK) and the National Movement for the Liberation of Kosovo (LKCK) all included Catholics as well as Muslims in positions of command and other authority. None was organized on an Islamist basis. The most famous Albanian of modern times was Mother Teresa. Her biographer, a personal friend of mine, is an Albanian Catholic priest, Don Lush Gjergji, who lives in a mixed Albanian-Serb town in Kosovo, called Vitia. There are Catholic parishes all over Kosovo.
The above-noted statement by Ms. Gorin is further elaborated with the claim that Serbs “will lose Kosovo to Albanian Muslims, whose fates are now entirely in the hands of the international Islamist factions with whom they, and we, cast their lot.” While Serbia may lose Kosovo, it will not be to Muslims alone, but to an overwhelming Albanian majority of Muslims and Catholics. No “international Islamist factions” are present in Kosovo or presently involved with Kosovo. No “international Islamist factions” were involved in the Kosovo war. Even the previously-mentioned Saudis and other Gulf Arab subjects, operating through relief agencies, were only active outside Kosovo, in Albania and Macedonia, until fighting in Kosovo ended. Their representatives in Kosovo have been investigated, arrested, and expelled, or their activities otherwise seriously limited. Kosovar Muslims are extremely anti-Islamist and pro-American. Albania arrested and deported the Islamist group of “Albanian Returnees” to Egypt, where they were tried and executed, and has seized the property of an al-Qaida financier, Yasin Kadi, who resides in Saudi Arabia. Responsibility for antiterrorist legal action against Saudi and other foreign Islamist agents in Macedonia, who continue to represent a problem, belongs with the Slav central authorities in Macedonia, not the Albanians.
Ms. Gorin implies that Kosovo Prime Minister Ramush Haradinaj is a Muslim extremist. Ramush Haradinaj is not a religious person. He has never been involved or associated with any Islamic cause. He has no association with Islamist ideology whatever. He is not even a “cultural Muslim.”
Ms. Gorin states that NATO bombed Serbia “to prevent a genocide that forensics turned up empty.” Yes, the genocide was prevented. It did not take place. Nobody claimed it had taken place, only that it was attempted. Genocide means the murder of a whole people; obviously, the Albanians were not wholly murdered. Ms. Gorin further refers to “every explosive report coming from the Balkans – Islamic charities getting busted as terror-funding fronts, terrorist cells being uncovered in Bosnia and Kosovo,” as if this undermines the reputation for moderation of Balkan Muslims. The facts, as partly described above, show the exact opposite. Albania has treated Islamist agents very harshly. The Islamic charities were shut down in Bosnia-Hercegovina by the Bosnian authorities, who seized irreplaceable evidence of al-Qaida activity in Europe and turned it over to U.S. investigators. Remaining members of terrorist cells were also identified and neutralized with the support of the Bosnian authorities. No Islamist cells were ever detected in Kosovo aside from the aforementioned Saudi and Gulf Arab charity representatives, who have, as noted, been investigated, arrested, and expelled, or their activities otherwise radically curtailed.
In the same paragraph, Ms. Gorin refers to the March riots in Kosovo last year as “coordinated.” No serious journalistic or international administrative body has made such a claim. The turmoil in Kosovo in March 2004 was spontaneous, caused in the greater part by disaffection with rule by the United Nations, a high rate of unemployment, the failure to consistently restore public services such as water and electricity, the collapse of the pension system, refusal to privatize the economy, and related grievances.
Ms. Gorin states, “We were told of mass graves… 800,000 displaced, Bill Clinton said.” Mass graves indeed have been uncovered in Kosovo, and that fact is challenged by nobody. They are numerous and the work of excavating them is long and taxing. Almost a million Kosovar Albanians were displaced, expelled, and fled to Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro, Bosnia-Hercegovina, and even to Serbia, as was seen on news reports broadcast throughout the world. The large refugee camps in Macedonia, Albania, and Montenegro were not fabrications.
Ms. Gorin has attempted to downgrade the number of Albanian victims of Serbian aggression in Kosovo from “100,000” to “closer to 2,000.” The figure of 100,000 dead or missing was put forward during the Kosovo intervention when there were no international journalists or NGOs inside Kosovo. It was an estimate. The accepted figure today, issued by Catholic authorities, is approximately 12,500 Albanians killed or missing, many of them children. I do not wish to play numbers games on this, as I consider it as degrading as responding to challenges over the numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust.
Ms. Gorin states that “the Racak massacre… turned out to have been staged.” This is a false claim that cannot be seriously sustained. Those who make the assertion join it to the charge that the U.S. diplomat William Walker, who visited Racak after the massacre occurred, was also a supporter of “death squads” in Central America. Both charges originate in the Marxist left and are scurrilous and disreputable.
Ms. Gorin states that “journalists fanned the early flames of Serb demonization in Bosnia, starting with a widely circulated 1992 photo of a Serb-run ‘death camp’ for Bosnian Muslims that turned out to have been taken from the inside of a fenced storage area, and showed refugees who had escaped the fighting and were free to go at any time.” The charge that the photograph was false was a hoax perpetrated by British Communists and has been thoroughly debunked. The magazine that published the claim, with the illustrative title Living Marxism, lost a libel suit brought by the ITN television network, to the total of 375,000 British pounds. The British court found against Living Marxism for its spurious accusation that ITN and other British journalists were fabricators of anti-Serb propaganda.
Ms. Gorin restates the well-known and controversial claim that “Jews and Serbs, both… were persecuted by the Nazis’ Croatian, Bosnian and Albanian brigades during WWII.” While this oft-repeated charge contains a grain of truth, it is only a grain. The lowest rate of Jewish survival in ex-Yugoslavia in World War II was in Macedonia, which was under Bulgarian control, and where 90 percent of Jews were deported and killed. The highest rate was in Kosovo, where 62 percent of Jews survived. Serbia and Croatia (the latter including Bosnia-Hercegovina) both had high levels of Jewish martyrdom during the Holocaust. The Serbian capital, Beograd, was declared by the Germans the first Judenrein, or “Jew-free” city in Europe. In Bosnia, the infamous Bosnian Waffen SS units played no role in the removal of Jews on their territory, which was carried out by Germans and Croats. The Bosnian Waffen SS units were assigned to combat Muslim and Serb Partisans, including residents of villages from where many of the recruits themselves originated. They were reluctant to participate in such actions, having enlisted in the Waffen SS on the mistaken belief that such service would resemble that of the Bosnian gendarmerie under the Habsburg empire. They were sent by the Germans to France for retraining. There they mutinied against their Nazi officers and attempted to join the French Partisans, the only known example of a Waffen SS rebellion. By 1944, most of them had joined the Yugoslav Partisans. In addition, the Bosnian Muslim clerics issued three declarations publicly denouncing Croat-Nazi collaborationist measures against Jews and Serbs: that of Sarajevo in October 1941, of Mostar in 1941, and of Banja Luka on November 12, 1941. These fascinating documents have never been translated and published in English, but I am completing work on them for publication now. As to the Albanians, while it is true that the Albanian Waffen SS Skanderbeg division turned some 210 Jews in Kosovo over to the Nazis, not one Jew was handed over in Albania itself, which was the only country to come out of the second world war with a larger Jewish population than it had at the beginning of the war. This fact has been noted by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and by Yad Vashem in Israel, where Albanian Muslims have been honored as “righteous Gentiles.”
Ms. Gorin states “In 1999, under pressure from the U.S. and amid protest from Israelis who knew better, Israel joined NATO’s war against Yugoslavia, leaving Serbs stunned and angry in an era when most of Europe was already being engulfed by a new wave anti-Semitism [sic]. Today, whatever Jews remained in Kosovo before our intervention have been cleansed right along with the Serbs.” These two statements are entirely incorrect. Israel played no role in the NATO action against Yugoslavia except to provide medical aid and shelter to Albanian refugees, and I do not understand why such an accusation of involvement in military action would be made against Israel. A Jewish Community now exists in Kosovo, headquartered in Prizren and recognized by the Joint Distribution Committee, the main global Jewish relief organization.
Ms. Gorin refers to U.S. bombings “of the Orthodox Christian Serbs, which didn’t break even for Easter (the way our other bombardments have for Ramadan).” U.S. bombardments and other combat actions have not ceased during Ramadan, and there is no Islamic requirement barring military action during Ramadan. Muslims have fought during Ramadan on many occasions.
In the same paragraph, Ms. Gorin states, “an Italian ambassador… asked American Jewish leaders to call for an end to the bombardment against Yugoslavia, citing that the KLA was backed by Iran-backed terror outfits and that an independent Kosovo would be a gateway for the spread of terror throughout Europe.” The “Italian ambassador” and the “Iran-backed terror outfits” are left unnamed. I do not doubt that an Italian diplomat, probably concerned about the influx of Albanian refugees into his country, might have made such an irresponsible statement and could be named; I would be interested to know his identity. “Iran-backed terror outfits” involved in Kosovo cannot be named because they did not exist. Iranians were not and are not involved in Kosovo at all, even though the Kosovar Albanian Muslim population is at least 30 percent Shia. Either way, Kosovo has not become a gateway for the spread of terror throughout Europe; the charge would better be applied to Britain, Germany, Spain, France, and Italy itself.
Ms. Gorin states “Today, Serbia is the only remaining pocket of multi-ethnicity in the Balkans – where Serbs, gypsies, Jews, Albanian and other Muslims, along with 22 other nationalities still coexist.” This is incorrect. All the stated nationalities reside, some in quite large groups, in Slovenia and Croatia, which do not like being considered Balkan, but also in Bosnia-Hercegovina, Montenegro (without many Jews historically or now), and Macedonia, as well as Serbia. Macedonia has a Gypsy television network, which is unique in the world. There are no ethnically-pure territories in former Yugoslavia.
Ms. Gorin expresses displeasure that the trial of Slobodan Milosevic in The Hague has taken four years. She might better express appreciation at the high standards and patient work of the tribunal. She neglected to mention that Milosevic was turned over to the tribunal by the Serbian authorities.
In a statement of questionable taste, Ms. Gorin asks, “If, as we were told, there was systematic rape by Serbs, where are the resulting children? Or evidence of mass abortions?” Anybody who has visited the former Yugoslavia knows of the lives of these children, and also knows that “mass” abortions did not take place. What, in any case, is a “mass abortion”? An abortion carried out collectively, all at once, in a group? “Mass abortions” do not exist anywhere.
Ms. Gorin suggests that Kosovar Albanian leader Ibrahim Rugova is an Islamist who, like Yasir Arafat, “Accept[s] the infidel’s (the West’s) help for as long as it moves you closer to your goal.” In reality, as anybody knowledgeable about the topic knows, Arafat was not a Muslim in the religious sense. He did not attend Muslim prayers except on official occasions and is said not to have known the text of the prayers. Ibrahim Rugova, like Ramush Haradinaj, is not a religious person. He also has never been involved or associated with any Islamic cause. He also has no association with Islamist ideology whatever. He also is not even a “cultural Muslim.”
Ms. Gorin quotes “Balkan-based journalist Chris Deliso [who] wrote last year for BalkanAnalysis.com, ‘Kosovo – with its porous borders, fundamentalist minority, criminal underbelly and proximity to the rest of Europe – is a perfect hiding place.’ ” Christopher Deliso is not a serious journalist, but a columnist at Dennis Raimondo’s antiwar.com website. Kosovo is the most heavily-policed, militarily-occupied region in Europe. It does not now and has never had a “fundamentalist minority” in the sense the term is now understood, and no serious evidence to the contrary can be produced. “Hiding place” for whom? Even before September 11, 2001, Saudi and other Gulf Arab agents had been, to repeat, investigated, arrested, and expelled, or their activities otherwise seriously limited.
It is rather surprising to read in Ms. Gorin’s column, “Americans don’t see how Kosovo relates to them. Until 1999, who had ever even heard of a Serb?” Serbian-Americans are a well-known community in numerous states, such as California, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Illinois, and include such prominent politicians as Rod Blagojevich, the current Democrat governor of Illinois. The Serbian-American poet Charles Simic won the Pulitzer Prize for poetry in 1990, and his translations of the Serbian poet Vasko Popa are taught in many university departments. The Yugoslav author Danilo Kis, who was of Serbian and Hungarian-Jewish origin, and wrote in Serbian dialect, is widely known among literate Americans. Much more Serbian literature has been published in English in the U.S., over many years, than Slovene, Croatian, Bosnian, Macedonian, or Albanian literature. The Yugoslav political writer Milovan Djilas always defined himself as a Montenegrin and Serb, and was universally known in political and journalistic circles. Hundreds of doctoral dissertations and other academic studies on Serbian topics have been produced at American universities.
Ms. Gorin is welcome to her opinions, but they are only opinions, and are not based on verifiable fact. To challenge the American Jewish leadership for its position on the Balkans 10 years ago is, at best, unproductive. The entire world witnessed the actions of the Milosevic regime in ex-Yugoslavia. They cannot be expunged from the historical record by creating false parallels. Serbia is not now, and will never be, Israel. It is, in reality, a place where crude Jew-baiting is on the rise, as demonstrated in a recent reportage, which may be read here.
Tosi
Sweden
anti serb garbage is your article that can easily be proven wrong which is NOT the case for Gorin article at ALL go to teh original link and click on all the links within the article for references
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin_2005_07_11.php3?printer_friendly
as for your stupidity my dear sheeplovers here we go:
Ms. Gorin states that NATO bombed Serbia “to prevent a genocide that forensics turned up empty.” Yes, the genocide was prevented. It did not take place. Nobody claimed it had taken place, only that it was attempted. Genocide means the murder of a whole people; obviously, the Albanians were not wholly murdered???????
WHAT????? genocide prevented???? WHAT GENOCIED WHAT LIES, with this logic you then justify the IRAQ invasion its like saying "they might have not really had WMD but if they did they would have used hem so lets just bomb them", lets bomb everyone tehn to revent genocide?????!!?!? WHAT STUPID IDIOTIC LOGIC IS THIS, with that logic u can justify any act of war, you can justify anything. just like when Bill Cohen came out on Meet the Press and stated that 500,000 albo men were missing in March of 99', you cant just say such a lie, then the # wen tdoen to 100,000 then 10,000 and now we see the real number of albo dead (civillian and kla) to be around 2k. GENOCIDE????? by using the word so losly you are killing the memeory of teh real victims of real genocide through out history. FACT IS EVERYTHING GORIN WROTE IN THE ARTICLE IS 100% TRUE AND CAN BE PROVEN WORD BY WORD and not have to be backed up by stupid logic such as "thank God we bombed an entire nation, destroyed their land, killed thousand of their people so we could prevent a genocide that we were saying was taking place but turned out it never did" HAVE U NO SHAME???
in the same paragraph, Ms. Gorin refers to the March riots in Kosovo last year as “coordinated.” No serious journalistic or international administrative body has made such a claim. The turmoil in Kosovo in March 2004 was spontaneous, caused in the greater part by disaffection with rule by the United Nations, a high rate of unemployment, the failure to consistently restore public services such as water and electricity, the collapse of the pension system, refusal to privatize the economy, and related grievances.
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what is wrong with this guy i mean ok if he is writing to an audince that knows nothing of teh area but i mean even teh albo leaders r warning that this will happen again, OH GOD PLEASE LETS APPEASE THE ALBOS EVEN MORE they are not happy give them more money more theings they want please, are u kidding me??? of course it was planned, thousands of albanicas burning down churches killing people because your electricity wsnt working??hhah what a joke of an excuse for a newsreport. why must you alwasy depend on other nations to give you everything from food, to schools to fight for you etc??? since youclaim that KOSOVO is virtually independent why did these attacks occur then??
Ms. Gorin states that “the Racak massacre… turned out to have been staged.” This is a false claim that cannot be seriously sustained. Those who make the assertion join it to the charge that the U.S. diplomat William Walker, who visited Racak after the massacre occurred, was also a supporter of “death squads” in Central America. Both charges originate in the Marxist left and are scurrilous and disreputable.
ahahhahahaha
reality check for this: at the milosevic trial he was able to get the court to admit and accept teh overwheming evidence that 35 out tot eh 45 people killed in racak had police records and were INDEED KLA fighters.
In Bosnia, the infamous Bosnian Waffen SS units played no role in the removal of Jews on their territory, which was carried out by Germans and Croats.
I mean the level of ANTI SERIAN propaganda teh last 15 years has been soooooo strong taht they even have journoulists showing how the Nazi led albos and muslims in bosnia were goog to jews just so they can draw paralles to the "demonic" image serbs have in the media today. holy shit!!!! i mean this is just insane, again even this fool write belgrade was juden free again for the tenth time belgrade was occupied by the nazis and they were in charge, fact is kosovo was hitlers gift to the albos for their role inww2. look at any any military histrorical book written prior to 1992 before teh serbs became "evil" and show me anything that states antyihg besides the fact taht the serbs were fighting the nazis while the albos embraceed them.
Israel played no role in the NATO action against Yugoslavia except to provide medical aid and shelter to Albanian refugees, and I do not understand why such an accusation of involvement in military action would be made against Israel
hhaha exactl, read teh interview with ariel sharon from teh NY TIMES from march 30th 99, when asked why isreal is not voicing its support for the nato attack he said "we jews rememebr waht the serbs did for us in ww2, we share a common bond such as death in jasenovac".
In a statement of questionable taste, Ms. Gorin asks, “If, as we were told, there was systematic rape by Serbs, where are the resulting children? Or evidence of mass abortions?”
exactly this means the 80,000 raped muslim woman was a lie and the world knows that, again if they were wehre wer eth children and the abortions?? lies
Yep genocide thankfully was avoided, thus I am here to write to you, and you have something to get pissed off about and give a meaning to your life (which I assume is go to a news site and yell about sheep and be a racist).
Martyr, get a girl man...
Ouch, that is typical serbian behaviour. When confronted with reality and facts they start loosing touch.
Stefan Schwartz has worked for a long time with the Balkans and the Jewish question. His metodical approach and his fact based answers destroys Gorins outlandish claims.
But I guess that was too much for you, servian.
Tosi
Sweden
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