Tuesday, April 11, 2006

Burns: UN mediated talks likely to make Kosovo independent state

(Washington, DTT-NET.COM) – Top officials of US administration said that ongoing talks mediated by UN between Ethnic Albanans and Serbian authorities are aiming to make Kosovo and independent state by the end of the year.

Speaking at a debate on EU-US relations organised by Center for Strategic and International Studies on 6 April in Washington, Nicholas Burns the US Under Secretary for Political Affairs said that Western Balkans is the common remaining challenge for US and EU where both partners must continue their efforts to establish a sustainable peace which should be followowed with the region joining both organisations.

“Our bussines in Europe isn’t finished because the Balkans remains an iland in the hard of Europe that is not connected to the great trans-atlantic institutions: EU and NATO… all of us in Europe, in US and NATO are confirmed in our judgement that ones Serbia becomes democratic, and Croaita, Albania and Macedonia and an independent Kosovo, if it is to be created by UN sometime this year, and that seems to be the objective to this negotiation, that all those states should have a European vocation.” Burns said.

Burns called on EU and NATO to offer a clear membership perspective to countries of the region.

“We Americans would say that Europe should say quite clearly that the future of those countries would be as members of EU and that we at NATO should also send that same strong signal. Because the great strategic objective of every American administration, going all the way back to the beginning of cold war was that Europe should be free and in peace and we are nearly of achieving of that great strategic objective. But the Balkans remains the unfinished bussines…” Burns said.

65 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yeeeeeee-haaaaaaa!!!

Love to all my Albanian brothers and sisters, be they Catholic, Muslim or Orthodox or whatever religion - the main thing is that they are ALBANIAN.

Bashkim

JustMe said...

Don't forget: God Bless the USofA :)

ivan said...

SERBIA & MONTENEGRO: European Ministers Give Guidelines for EU Mission in Kosovo

2006-04-11 15:32:54



The first part of the team that is to prepare for the future mission of the European Union in Kosovo will arrive in the province in April, EU foreign ministers decided in Luxembourg, on April 10.
The future EU mission in Kosovo should assume UNMIK's tasks in the rule of law, law enforcement and other areas, while the Council of Ministers will decide on tasks in "other areas" within the process of resolving the province's status, the EU ministers' decision states.
After the main part of the EU Preparation Team arrives in Kosovo late in April, EU representatives should secure "a smooth takeover of the selected tasks" from UNMIK by the end of the year.
In Kosovo, the EU team will establish what needs to be done so that judges, police officers and other EU personnel, totaling around a thousand, can come to assume part of UNMIK's obligations.
After a recent visit to Kosovo, experts from the West Balkan Committee, an agency with jurisdiction within the EU Council of Ministers for analyzing development in the region, concluded that the standards are practically not being implemented at all, that economic and social circumstances are extremely bad and that the large amount EU funds directed to the province have been poorly utilized.
After quite a while, no discussion on development in the West Balkans was scheduled for the April 10 session of the EU ministers, because, during the preparations for the meeting, the prevailing opinion was that the Serbian authorities should be left "in peace" to fulfill their promise that full cooperation with the Hague tribunal would be achieved by the end of the month.
EU officials told journalists that it had been rated that there was no particular reason to discuss other West Balkan topics.

Source: BETA News Agency


hey I love this part in particular:

"
.....concluded that the standards are practically not being implemented at all, that economic and social circumstances are extremely bad and that the large amount EU funds directed to the province have been poorly utilized. "

I wonder where has this money been invested. Ofcourse, how stupid of me, EVIL SERBS STOLE THIS MONEY FROM THE POOR SIPTAR POLITICIANS :)

Anonymous said...

Moving on.

Independence for kosova said...

Serb scum aka Shka, you are a twat!

This is your source Source: BETA News Agency

Also don't post news here, only comment on current news. I know you're intelligent enough but at least try, come on illiterate shka, try!

Anonymous said...

My mistake, "I know you are NOT smart enough..."

ivan said...

Siptari,

whats wrong i touched your weak spot, and now you are getting angry. Take it easy, I know the truth hurts, but I am doing this for your good sake. You have to open your eyes to the reality.... all the money EU pumped into Kosovo and Metohija has gone to your mafia bosses. After all its payback time...

fauna said...

'ivan and the truth'
it's a good name for a book
a book based on lies

gujgli said...

They will need new UN resolution for the independence and Russia was already said it, only universal political solution as a solution for Kosovo and Metohija.

Two Albanian states? Where is the logic here? Of course, there will be no two separate but one united Great Albania or Dardania. That is the plan from the beginning. Like always in american foreign policy, mistake after mistake, after mistake...

Anonymous said...

Don't BS - Kosova will be independent within a year and it's obvious that all of you know it, otherwise you wouldn't try to come na let us know how impossible is that. And yes Ivan, your comments are really hurting us. I feel sad to have such lunatics living in a neighboring country.

haha

Ciggi Cet said...

Serbia forever Albanian never. Even if the United Nations and the international community grant kosovo independence Serbia will not stand for it and will fight to the end. Never, never, you will not leave!!!

Republic_of_Kosova said...

kosova will get independence, even a blind person can see that, oh and to the last poster........ bring it on.. maybee this time we'll use the same tactics as u did. Women and children first, then the old and the hendicaped. I promise if u pick a fight, every serb in graqanica will dissapear in 3 days.

Anonymous said...

Easy people. Let the dogs (and bitches) scream, caravan is moving on.

Independent Kosova said...

Ivan how many times do I have to call you an illiterate shka until you learn that you really are one? I specifically posted your source, why, because I don't trust crap from that "reliable source". I also didn't read what you posted becuase I know whatever tanjung or any other BS media will post is based on lies, assumptions, and just plain myths.

Now why would you talk about the truth? All you know about Kosova is what your media feeds to you.

Now...


"all the money EU pumped into Kosovo and Metohija has gone to your mafia bosses."


Why would you say such an ironic ,contreversial, and a very unintelligent thing? Who do you think had to rebuild everything Chetniks blazed in their cowardious flee to the shit hole? Kosovars had to rebuild it. We also needed lots of help from people and government. The money as you claim went to bossman is not true, it actually went to building things to shelter mainly Albanians. Do you know how many roads are still messed up of Chetnik tanks that have teared the place up? How many mosques blazed? How many houses burnt down? How many shops gone in flames? What does America do after each war? They rebuild the country...did you hear of a mission called "Rebuilding Kosova?" Of course not!

Hey...

Ciggi

I am glad you want to fight, I can't back a great offer down, plus it's self defense. If you guys are so willing to fight to the last man for your "holy land" then why did the Chetniks run like little girls back to the shit hole, why couldn't they win, even after hiring mercenaries from Russia? I will tell you why, no heart. If you think Kosova will once again be in your reach well the divide just got farther. We may be neighbors but you are farther away from me then anyone. If you plan to fight, bring guns, and also terrorist, I mean the Chetniks. I can guarentee you, we will walk all over you. Yes we will reunited all Albanian lands and bring more fear to all terrorist Serbs. Remember the more you live in mythical lands with fairees and ponies the more you are bringing the dream of uniting all Albanians alive...

fauna said...

let's fight
watch out, the serbs will probably pull your hair

oh
are we talking about bombs and bullets?

or just bullshit words
ahh yes, i think that's what it is

please, spare your "brave" and "patriotic" comments
both of you

fauna said...

hey

"Burns: UN mediated talks likely to make Kosovo independent state"

Opa!

Kristian said...

To: All serbs, except mir


IvanA you've stooped to a new low. Nothing intelligent to say? You talk about S&M being a democratic state. Your childish acts show how mature and democratic you ppl have become. And I can't blame all the serb ppl bc there are good ppl in serbia and abroad. Who don't think as you do.

Especially like the fool Ciggi Cet! Is that all you can think of is WAR! Let me see--- you start 4 wars and your still not satisfied? What kind of idiot are you?

All of you act like sore losers! Instead of comming with something constructive you only chirp about destruction and hatred! I'm sure there are serbs out there that would be disgusted with and your comments.

Talk about being closed minded! You guys are the worst kind of your race. I hope that the new generations are not sick racists as you all are.

Ivana you talk about truth! What is "truth"? Only mir, from your ppl has come up with something that is the "TRUTH"! "There are only shades of gray!" The truth is: your country is spliting (Mont. & Kosovo/a) up.

You have ppl that are in slums in your country. That you treat your refugees like crap from all the other republics and provinces. That they're living conditions are worse then the ones in Kosovo/a! And if you had a choice you'd kick all of them out of Serbia Proper! What kind of ppl are you!

School children from other republics and province are mistreated and shunned upon bc you don't want them there. That is cruel to treat your own kind with such disdain! You hate your own kind! And you talk about the "TRUTH"!

How can your SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY treat its own kin that way! Having slums in Belgrade and other major cities. The refugees from Kosovo/a are not 200k but a measly 138k, but what about the hundreds of thousands of serbs from the other regions. YOU HATE YOUR OWN KIND! SHAME ON YOU AND THOSE THAT HATE!

Your media recently is trying to demonstrate to the world that Albanians are Terrorists just bc they are muslim! Your media is trying to create a rift bt the Christian West and the Muslim East. And there is no validity in your media's argument. And you talk about the truth! Its only HATE!

Ciggi Cet your comments about fighting to the last serb! Why do you think the EU is sending such a large force to the Kosovo/a region. Its not bc of the UN pulling out, but to make sure that once the province gains independence, Idiots like you won't stir up trouble.

In Novi Pazar, your govenment just dissolved the Muslim party that is in power. And the reason is bc they are a national threat to serbian security! How racist is that! Admit it you do not like Muslims! It has nothing to do with the ppl its your phobia of Islam.

I'm catholic and I have no phobia what so ever. Albanians of all religions live perfectly with each other. Grow up and look for ways to heal the gap bt our ppl and heal the pain that all have suffered!

Kristian said...

Hypothetical Scenario:


We do not get independence! We are the second largest group after the serbs in what is now S&M. If Montenegro breaks off statistically we'll be even a larger ethnic group.

If your country is so democratic: will the govt. share power? Will they allow albanians (if elected to a certain office) to govern serbs? Or will they do as they always have: Discriminate?

Can you see the next prime minister of Serbia as being Albanian? Or the next president? Or the next general of your armed forces as being albanian? Or will all those positions be closed off to Albanians just bc they are of the faith of ISLAM!

The albanian population is growing at a rapid rate and by the year 2030 we will outnumber you in the whole of Serbian and Montenegro if they remain together!

What will you do as a serb! Start a new war to exterminate Albanians?

You talk of albanians and criminals! There are a lot of articles showing that the Serb Mafia has direct links to the Columbian Cartel, their human traficking has a broader network. That they are protected by your corrupt officials. They are less likely to be prosecuted bc judges are paid off.

The albanians are the new kid on the block and you go after them bc you can distract the public and have someone to blame while in your backyard there are serbs committing more atrocious crimes then the albanians. In essence, we are your scapegoat and diversion.

Before you point a finger, remember this! One finger is pointing at the person you are accussing. Three fingers are pointing at the accuser and the thumb points upwards to the sky. The index finger shows that the accussed is 1 times at fault. The 3 fingers show that the accuser is 3 times at fault. And the thumb that points upwards shows that God is the witness to all.

So don't blame albanians or use them as your scapegoats bc you are more responsible for your problems then any albanian will ever be and God is always a witness to everything.

Peace to all!

Kristian

ivan said...

kristian,

"In Novi Pazar, your govenment just dissolved the Muslim party that is in power. And the reason is bc they are a national threat to serbian security! How racist is that! Admit it you do not like Muslims! It has nothing to do with the ppl its your phobia of Islam."

Man you are so stupid, that it actually hurts my eyes to read. But what can you expect from a person who can not "read" any balkan language.

The reason why the parlament was dissolved was due to the request of the Bosniak party that is supporting Kostunicas parlament. ITs a stupid thing what happened, because Rasim Lajlic is an amazing politician, and it would be a great loss for Serbia to lose such a politician.

But ofcourse what can you expect from a narrow minded siptar, he doesent like to listen to other side of the story. Did you hear that Tadic and Marovic begged Rasim Lajlic to stay in his current positions?


"All of you act like sore losers! Instead of comming with something constructive you only chirp about destruction and hatred! I'm sure there are serbs out there that would be disgusted with and your comments. "

I am just picking key points from your posts, because it is well known that you philosphise for pages and pages about the same thing. And always you keep on going in circles. Get to the point.

My answer is very short. You dont want to live under Serbia, well guess what Serbs dont want to live under you. Give Serbs whats theirs, and you will get whats yours. Clean cut.

Otherwise this issue will be going on for decades. Siptars will blaim the Serbs that your future state is under their hostage, Serbs will be blaming siptars for violations of human rights and if that gets settled ( which i truly hope), then the minority rights will always be an issue.

"Why do you think the EU is sending such a large force to the Kosovo/a region. Its not bc of the UN pulling out, but to make sure that once the province gains independence, Idiots like you won't stir up trouble. "

Just one question, who is UN protecting in Kosovo. Whos people are under constant attacks....who lives in encalves and does not have the freedom of movement?

Wake up kristian....

ivan said...

Kristian,

"If your country is so democratic: will the govt. share power? Will they allow albanians (if elected to a certain office) to govern serbs? Or will they do as they always have: Discriminate?"

If albanians stay within Serbia, they will constitute 20% of the population, and therefore they will be represented with 20% of the seats in the parlament.

And ofcourse you will get the seats in leading countries positions. As a matter of fact if you all were under one party, you would be the biggest party in Serbia, Bigger than the radiclas, and you would have the prime minister to be Kosovo albanian.

Anonymous said...

Oh kiss my arse Ivane. Jeez you talk shit man!

Bashkim

gujgli said...

kristian,

"If your country is so democratic: will the govt. share power? Will they allow albanians (if elected to a certain office) to govern serbs?
Can you see the next prime minister of Serbia as being Albanian? Or the next president? Or the next general of your armed forces as being albanian?"

That's very good question and democratic Serbia has only one answer, yes, Albanians must get their seats in Serbian parlament according to the votes they get on elections. Albanian ministers in Serbian government? With pleasure.
Of course, it's early for that now, but in few years, i think that would help Serbs and Albanians on their way to EU.

"The albanian population is growing at a rapid rate and by the year 2030 we will outnumber you in the whole of Serbian and Montenegro if they remain together!"

Growing population can be a factor, but not the most important factor. Look at the Israel, small population surrounded by the Arab growing population and they're not worrying at all. Strong (military) economy is making miracles.

"The albanians are the new kid on the block and you go after them bc you can distract the public and have someone to blame while in your backyard there are serbs committing more atrocious crimes then the albanians."

War crimes were commited on both sides that is unquestionable, but let not go in circle again.

International community almost 7 years (beyond Resolution 1244) is helping you to prove that you are capable of running independent Kosovo and Metohija and what results they(you) got? Corruption on all state levels, very high unemployment, industry hardly exist, warlords and criminals are heroes and with no economic cooperation with Serbia it's nearly imposible for Kosovo that can provide their citizens a normal standard of life.

Even Albania by the economic criteria can't match EU standards in a decade ahead, then how can Kosovo and Metohija would do it for itself?
What are your plans? What is the vision? Don't repeat only give us independence, independence, independence? What's eventually after that?

At the end, you can go independent as maybe US in some way pressure that solution, but Serbia, once it reclaim position of regional econonomic leader i believe will have a few questions about once occupied territory. And someone will have to answer it, this time for real.

It's not treat, it's simply situation where you can't give one nation everything and one nation nothing.

cvijus said...

kristian,

"Can you see the next prime minister of Serbia as being Albanian? Or the next president"

it wouldn't be a problem for me if this specific person would work for the benefit of the entire country and its nations, and not only for one specific group-his own.

If Ljajic, despite being a Bosniak, would candidate himself for the president of Serbia, he would surely get my vote because he is a man of great qualities and works for the benefit of all of us, not only the Bosniaks. If such an albanian appears on our political scene, he would have my support.

Anonymous said...

Can you imagine an Kosovar albanian consider himself a citizen of serbia? I am sure there are a few. But as far as myself I'd rather be a citizen of Uganda. However, all of you arguing here should understand a few things. Firstly, serbs will try to influence everything in Kosova through serbs of Kosova and us Albanians will reciprocate in south serbia. So in the future there will always be tensions between us and serbia no matter what the status will be. This is not all bad as we think. It will keep us on our toes and them in an offensive be it diplomatic or otherwise. In such an instance to them we will be a barrier of moving forward, us it will make more radical. Therefore, this part of Europe will stay like it is right now. Who will win anyones guess is just as good. So let's wait and see cause this internet bs is getting a bit trite. As an albanian I welcome all this antagonism. Cause at times I think we albanians seem to forget who the enemy is.

Anonymous said...

Gujgli, obviously you have never been to Kosova and you're regurgigating here wahtever you read from journalists that also have never been to Kosova. Cvijus used to think the same but after visiting Kosova last month he is now a changed man.

cvijus said...

You interpret me wrong mate

My opinion was the same even before my trip to Kosovo, I'm just saying that a man with qualities such as those of Ljajic is acceptable for me to lead Serbia and I would be indifferent to his nationality. What would matter for me is that he is a capable man and loyal to the Republic of Serbia and ALL of its inhabitants and not only to his copatriots.

One question to the albanians:

Would you accept such man in Kosovo of Serbian origin?

cvijus said...

...oh yeah

in the case of Serbia, this man should be elected by democratic means => majority of votes. I don't accept any model of guaranteed seats or rotating presidency

Anonymous said...

Accept a fucking serb rapist for a president? Absurd.

Anonymous said...

For the ignorant person that asked the question (CVIJUS):

Would you accept such man in Kosovo of Serbian origin?

MY ANSWER: NOT IN AN ABSOLUTE FLYING FIT!

Bashkim Shqiptari

cvijus said...

"Accept a fucking serb rapist for a president? Absurd."

Than why do you expect that we would accept an albanian as the PM of Serbia? You already know my personal opinion, but it's really absurd to expext a albo as the PM of Serbia but under no way a Serb as the PM of Kosovo.

Mitrovica pika pika said...

We albanians have made our choice and you have made yours. We shouldnt argue about things that are visible to a blind man. We still are at war and we will contnue with this until one of us or both are gone. I remember how gypsies used to say "serbs in serbia, albanians in albania and Kosova shall be ours" maybe one day that will become reality.

Kristian said...

To: Ivana


Man you are so stupid, that it actually hurts my eyes to read. But what can you expect from a person who can not "read" any balkan language.

Its funny! How mentally disabled you are in this day and age! When you yourself use the internet and know that a person doesn't really need to know to read any website for the majority offer their sites in multiple languages and if they don't our software provides translation for every balkan language there is.

And re read my previous posts about "not knowing how to read any balkan language!" Maybe you overlooked it!

The reason why the parlament was dissolved was due to the request of the Bosniak party that is supporting Kostunicas parlament.

Read B92 and see what their reason was for the desolvement! Since its a serb media outlet and you'd probably believe more so then me saying it!

---.....the tensions between the local political groups are a threat to stability, Serbia's Deputy Prime Minister Miroljub Labus warned recently.


Did you hear that Tadic and Marovic begged Rasim Lajlic to stay in his current positions?

Begged! you have to be kidding right! Was this begging, televised or in front of the press? There was no begging and you over exagerate things a bit! Asking to remain is a different story then begging! Do you need a dictionary for clarification?


you philosphise for pages and pages about the same thing. And always you keep on going in circles. Get to the point.

My answer is very short. You dont want to live under Serbia, well guess what Serbs dont want to live under you. Give Serbs whats theirs, and you will get whats yours. Clean cut.


First of all I don't go in circles as you do Ivana. You always argue 4 points over and over. The key point I've always advocated is PEACE! And solutions to bridging gaps amonst our ppl. Something that your pea minded brain can't comprehend!

You said get to the point, but you still are not there. You advocate seperation, this is what your talking about. How are you going to divide/seperate Kosovo/a? There is no clean cut solution. What about the serbs that have properties all over Kosovo/a? Or albanians in South Serbia? You have serb enclaves throughout the region, how do you propose to seperate the province? You sound like the die hard communist radicals of your state.

Over and over you have preached how democractic serbia is, well based on your opinions then you're far from understanding what it means or what european ideology is all about!


Otherwise this issue will be going on for decades. Siptars will blaim the Serbs that your future state is under their hostage, Serbs will be blaming siptars for violations of human rights and if that gets settled ( which i truly hope), then the minority rights will always be an issue.

This is where you hatred comes in! Ppl can achieve many great things together! You are a pessimist! You claim to be open minded but your so closed minded, I doubt that you have a brain but a black hole in your noggin!



Just one question, who is UN protecting in Kosovo. Whos people are under constant attacks....who lives in encalves and does not have the freedom of movement?

Prior to the war, who's ppl were constantly attacked, harrassed, jailed with no formal charges, killed, etc... And don't blame the communists or Milosevic! It was the serbian ppl.

You wonder why the ppl are attacked and you very well know the answer!
Your ppl are still in denial as to what happened and what autrocities you have committed. And you worship the leaders that got you all in this mess. SAD! REALLY SAD!

But you over exagerate every situation (attacks, churches, etc). And to be fair during the war both sides over exagerated. But who did the over exagerating prior to the war? The Milo regime you frawn upon! Plzz wake up and smell the coffee!

Kristian said...

To: Ivana


If albanians stay within Serbia, they will constitute 20% of the population, and therefore they will be represented with 20% of the seats in the parlament.>


Why only 20% when the current serbs in Kosovo/a have double the seats then what their current popullation is in Kosovo/a????

How democratic of you! NOT!

...and you would have the prime minister to be Kosovo albanian.

Tell me the honest truth here, how would you like if the K.Albanians did make the largest political group and they did govern your country in key govt. positions? Pres, PM, etc...

Let me guess your answer: I wouldn't mind! I want to hear the truth not what the proper thing to say!

Kristian said...

To: gugli

That's very good question and democratic Serbia has only one answer, yes, Albanians must get their seats in Serbian parlament according to the votes they get on elections. Albanian ministers in Serbian government? With pleasure.
Of course, it's early for that now, but in few years, i think that would help Serbs and Albanians on their way to EU.


Please, your country is not democratic as of yet! Its moving towards democracy but it is no where close enough to be considered a DEMOCRATIC country!

"it's early for that now," So when will the Albanians be allowed to get these positions?(the premise being that Kosovo/a remains with serbia) 20yrs from now? Why not the next election! The reason they wouldn't be given the positions is that the serb ppl would never let it happen and most likely someone would cry fowl and say the elections were rigged even if an elected albanian official won fair and square!


Growing population can be a factor, but not the most important factor. Look at the Israel, small population surrounded by the Arab growing population and they're not worrying at all. Strong (military) economy is making miracles.

So you are like the Isrealis? A ppl that suppresses others? And in their country we're not talking about ARABS, but of one group the Palestinians. And if Kosovo/a remained it would only be the Kosovans and not all the albanians from all the regions where they currently live. Your strong military economy is to do what? Suppress albanians! just in case they get out of hand right!

International community almost 7 years (beyond Resolution 1244) is helping you to prove that you are capable of running independent Kosovo and Metohija and what results they(you) got? Corruption on all state levels, very high unemployment, industry hardly exist, warlords and criminals are heroes and with no economic cooperation with Serbia it's nearly imposible for Kosovo that can provide their citizens a normal standard of life.

Let me see here! There is corruption in all levels of the Serbian Govt., the refugees from other regions are with a high unemployment rate and live in slums, Industry is abundant in Serbia that I will give you but in no way up to world standards, criminals and warlords are praised even more so in Serbia then in Kosovo/a. And Kosovo/a can provide a standard of living once its allowed to receive investments bc as of today they can't due to the fact its status hasn't benn resolved.

Even Albania by the economic criteria can't match EU standards in a decade ahead,

You can't compare apples to oranges. Albania was the most isolated country in the world and foremost the most Stalinist regime in the world. Yugoslavia was one of the most developed eastern european country prior to the war. And now its lagging behind countries it could squash economically with a fart. And guess who's at fault?? SERBIANS!

Even if you theory of economic dominance prevails, I hardly think serbia would go to war. Germany and Japan are two great examples after WWII. They saw that it was easier to do things with a dollar then to do things with a rifle. So only idiot minded individuals as yourself would come up with such a theory of taking up arms. An intelligent person would leave the weapon alone and use his pen and dollar to do his bidding!

Anonymous said...

Cvijus, why are you denying that the trip to Kosova helped you get the hate out of your heart. I meant it in the best way possible.

Guys, I'm Albanian and I want a Serb for president of Kosova. I'm OK with him/her defending rights of Serbs, as long as he/she works for the unification of Kosova with Albania. ;)

Independence for Kosova said...

I don't know who asked this but I want to answer it, the question was,"could Kosovans stand a Serb President" or "could Serbs stand a Kosovan President?" It's simple if Kosova does not get independence which is impossible and is stuck under "DEMOCRATIC SERBIA" then there must be some changes. All Serbs have to respect the name, that is, Kosova is called Kosova. No Metohija crap, no kosmet, none of that crap. And also change the name from Serbia to Narnia. Since Kosovans make 20% of the population according to Serbian mentallity that means we can rule all institutions and take ever seat. Hey 20 is 4x bigger then 5%. Also, let go of Vojvodina and Montenegro.

But Kosovars think about this, do we really want to get stuck with illiterate idiots? We'd have to build schools and educate them. Also Serbs since you love to compare Kosova to Albania (go figure) then tell me why Serbia ruled as top 10 most corrupt nation in 2003. While Cuba and others ruled in the 40's. Serbia is a time bomb ready to go off, soon they will have a civil war, I can't wait to see the fireworks.

Cviji what did see that changed your heart and made you a Christian all over again?

ivan said...

kristian,


I really dont have enough time to answer all of your points, but I will stick to one point.

Compare your statement to the statement of other siptars,

"This is where you hatred comes in! Ppl can achieve many great things together! You are a pessimist! You claim to be open minded but your so closed minded, I doubt that you have a brain but a black hole in your noggin!"

and ....

"Mitrovica pika pika said...
We albanians have made our choice and you have made yours. We shouldnt argue about things that are visible to a blind man. We still are at war and we will contnue with this until one of us or both are gone. I remember how gypsies used to say "serbs in serbia, albanians in albania and Kosova shall be ours" maybe one day that will become reality. "

and ....

"Anonymous said...
Accept a fucking serb rapist for a president? Absurd.

12:55 PM


Anonymous said...
For the ignorant person that asked the question (CVIJUS):

Would you accept such man in Kosovo of Serbian origin?

MY ANSWER: NOT IN AN ABSOLUTE FLYING FIT!

Bashkim Shqiptari "


Kristian in Serbia Rasim Lajlic who is a Bosniak holds two critical seats in the Serbian Parlamanet. Cvijus referred to him, and honestly in the next elections i might vote for him or for Tadic.

Your posts really go on for ages and ages... and your diplomatic answers about peace, working and living together all fall in water when you read what your co siptars post. The question is are you living in an illusionate world.Its understandable, since you lived only three years there and you dont speak the languages, so you suppose everybody in the Balkans is like Austrians.

Who is calling for peace on this blog? Read all of the Serbian bloggers, and all we want is to be good neighbours ( under the condition you give us whats ours), and thats it.

Here is one more refereance as a conclusion of my post:

" Independence for Kosova said...
....Serbia is a time bomb ready to go off, soon they will have a civil war, I can't wait to see the fireworks."

Your obssesion about destroying Serbia really amazes me. I pitty you

ivan said...

Siptari,

This does not come from a Serbian politicain.....

KOSOVO GOVERNMENT MOST CORRUPTED IN EUROPE, TACI
12.4.2006 14:58 PRISTINA, (Tanjug) - Leader of the opposition Democratic Party of Kosovo Hasim Taci has stated that in the year in which its political status should be resolved,Kosovo has the weakest government in its political history and the most corrupted one in Europe.
DEP:KOSOVO-NEGOTIATIONS-HUA

Kristian said...

The question is are you living in an illusionate world.Its understandable, since you lived only three years there and you dont speak the languages, so you suppose everybody in the Balkans is like Austrians.

Who is calling for peace on this blog? Read all of the Serbian bloggers, and all we want is to be good neighbours ( under the condition you give us whats ours), and thats it.


No i'm not living in an illusionate world.

There are a lot of bloggers here who've said repeatedly that we should bridge the gap amongst our ppl. You on the other hand have come up with just give us what is ours? My question to you is what is yours?

And like i've repeatedly told you in the past blogs, I DO SPEAK A BALKAN LANGUAGE! BESIDES ALBANIAN, I DO UNDERSTAND SOME SERBIAN BC OF MY TWO NEIGHBORS GROWING UP AS A KID! As far as respondind in serbian I can't exept for the basics Hi, buy, have a good day!...etc... Even in albanian its not easy for me to respond but I understand it and its due partly that we speak 99% in english the whole day and every day! Ask my serbian or croatian neighbors kids that I grew up with how they respond when their fathers ask em a question in serbian and how they respond in english as I do.

---OH AND ALL THE EXAMPLES YOU'VE USED ARE INTERESTING!--- go to a serbian blog and pose the same question as I have to your ppl and see what kind of response you'll get! Especially from the ones that lived in Kosovo/a! You'll get the same response!

The blogger that mentioned serbia being a powder keg is almost right! Your president and PM are having a problem politically! And the choices will determine their future political career. Even if they made the right decision to give the ppl economic prosperity you nationalists would twist it against them. So in a since its a powder keg full of powder with a fuse that could be ingnited at any minute by internal forces withing serbia proper! But its always the ppl that get hurt in the end!

Peace!


P.S Yes I do type a lot! And a rule that generally everyone should think about is: never assume things about the person you don't know! As both sides here assume A LOT!

ivan said...

Kristian,

Being able to say hi ,bye, good morning..etc., is far for somebody to say that he/she is able to speak that language. If thats the case, let me count i think i speak more than 20 languages. To be able to speak a language you should be able to write on this blog in that language.

"Even in albanian its not easy for me to respond but I understand it and its due partly that we speak 99% in english the whole day and every day!"

Sorry mate, thats no excuse. I know a lot of Serbian and Greek families who had their kids in Belgium and their kids are fluent in their mother tongues. The reason is because both the parents and the kids did their best to keep their culture inside their house. I am aware that there are a lot of Serbian kids in diaspora that dont know serbian, and i find that a shame.

"---OH AND ALL THE EXAMPLES YOU'VE USED ARE INTERESTING!--- go to a serbian blog and pose the same question as I have to your ppl and see what kind of response you'll get!"

Each blog has its own atmosphere. Its a sample of the whole population, and the only argument you can argue is that this blog is a bad sample of the siptar population. Our discussion is based on this blog, and the responses i get from the siptars on this blog speak for themselves. Dont go sending me to other blogs... we are on this blog.

"So in a since its a powder keg full of powder with a fuse that could be ingnited at any minute by internal forces withing serbia proper! "

You really have no idea about Serbia...so please do us a favour and dont philosophise about something you dont know. If there is going to be a civil war in Serbia, who will fight against who? Its like saying Cerry symptahizers will have a civil war against Bush sympathizers. Be realistic, i know it would be your dream to watch Serbia slaughter itself, but sorry mate, not gonna happen. If Kosovo and Metohija is finally stolen from us, this will only unite the Serbs, and this is what Serbia has been longing for a long time ( Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava).

Anonymous said...

Ivane,

Thems fightin' words! ...but I'm 100% sure that if we (serbs and Albanians) went to war again tomorrow, your type (the Ivans of serbia) would never take any physical part in it themselves. Not because you are a pacifist but because you seem to be the type that would propagate war and violence and perhaps even help the financing of it. I believe you would happily see others be maimed, slaughtered and killed, just as long as it's not you or your close (immediate) family.

Am I right???...I think so.

So go & croak you piece of crap

Bashkim Shqiptari

ivan said...

Bashkim,

What do you expect me to answer...."Yes Mr. Siptar you are right"? You are pathetic.

Bashkim, read my posts again and please quote me on the remark that i am calling for another war.

Thanks,

Ivan

cvijus said...

hey bashkim,

would you go and fight?

Independence for Kosova said...

" Independence for Kosova said...
....Serbia is a time bomb ready to go off, soon they will have a civil war, I can't wait to see the fireworks."


Ivan, I'm sorry that hurt your feelings, and you are taking my response as a threat. Serbia is a ticking time bomb, you know it yourself. Four war laters, you have learned nothing but only unstabalized the whole world and left hundreds of thousands dead.

Hashim Thaçi is the biggest opponent to any party in Kosova, it's only right of him to claim most of the time. I gave you a survey done in 2003, with FACTS. It's his word against a survey done by NPO.
Would you like me to give you credible sources where Serbian leaders talk about corruption in police and government that is very dangerous to Serbian government?

ivan said...

Independance for Kosova,

WE are not denying that there is corruption at all levels in Serbia. yes Serbia is corrupt, but less corrupt than it was in 90s, and thank God its getting less and less corrupt at all levels. Before everything was pushed under the carpet, but now people know more whats going on.

But what I find annoying is that you siptars keep opn insisting that you are angels, how your terrorists for politicans wouldnt hurt a fly (except to execute a few hundred of Serbs).

I guess in Serbia we are at a stage where we recoignize the corruption, but you in "Kosova" are still in the denial phase. Taci is speaking out based on facts, and i congratulate him for that.

Wake up siptari, you are no angles...

Anonymous said...

Would I fight?

YES I WOULD! ...and without thinking about it twice. With all my heart and soul.

In Albanian we say "me mish e me shpirt!" English translation: "with flesh and spirit/soul!"

Bye bye

Bashkim Shqiptari

ivan said...

Bashkim,

would you fight for Great Albania? Would you attack Serbia to get Preshevo Valley?

Anonymous said...

I would fight for all Albanian lands (not for a Greater Albanian)but only for ALBANIA. By this I mean where the 7,000,000 million Albanians live on their own hereditry lands within the Balkans.

But, I don't think we'll have to ...you guys are coming around to reality even if ever so slowly. As for the Presheva Valley, we're watching you. If you keep pushing us there, as you are at the moment, I'm 100% sure we will take more firmer or more radical steps to achieve our human and national rights.

All you serbs have to do is give back what is ours and also pay the rent for up till now (not to mention war reperations and compensation for the human loss, all of course in Euros.

Bashkim Shqiptari

cvijus said...

"YES I WOULD! ...and without thinking about it twice. With all my heart and soul"

What to say, some people like to use their heads and some like to lose their heads. In which group do you belong Bashkim?

Anonymous said...

"All you serbs have to do is give back what is ours and also pay the rent for up till now (not to mention war reperations and compensation for the human loss, all of course in Euros."

Let's make better a business deal, we can give you showels so we can assist you in reviving the ancient dardanian tradition of shithole digging.

Anonymous said...

Shithole digging is better than digging graves for women and children like your rapist kind.

gujgli said...

kristian,

"Please, your country is not democratic as of yet! Its moving towards democracy but it is no where close enough to be considered a DEMOCRATIC country!"

No where close? Oh, excuse me mister Herodotus, i didn't recognize your democratic criterias earlier. I actually want to read your esey about democracy if you don't mind, please. See also a comparasions between Serbian and Albanian democratic traditions, you will get interesting results and you'll never post again phrases that don't mean nothing.

"So when will the Albanians be allowed to get these positions?(the premise being that Kosovo/a remains with serbia) 20yrs from now? Why not the next election."

Why not, i ask you? I said it 'not now' because of the recent war and bad feelings between Serbs and Albanians, but if you're ready for compromise, to live in Serbia, to join the some kind of joint institutions i will support it immediately. But let's be realistic, we all know that your co-citizens ain't planning anything but Great Albania, Dardania or some other unrealistical bloody project.

"So you are like the Isrealis? A ppl that suppresses others?"

If i was you i would say 'So you like islam fundamentalists? A ppl that bla bla bla' What kind of bs is this? And who is suppressing who, who holds the historic rights there , that's a maybe another blog. You missed a point, look below.

"Your strong military economy is to do what? Suppress albanians! just in case they get out of hand right!"

Point was that country with weak economy can't solve or save any of self national vital interests. Serbia is in that position for now, but things are changing, slow but steady progress. And we can't lose Kosovo one way or another. You'll see that eventually because 10, 20 or 70 years are in historic terms a very small time period.

"And Kosovo/a can provide a standard of living once its allowed to receive investments bc as of today they can't due to the fact its status hasn't benn resolved."

Investments ain't coming with independence, investments are coming when there is safe environment for making profits. With independence of Kosovo and Metohija this region will never be peaceful so no money is coming your way.And i don't count here thief-privatisations of serbian properties by warlords profiters which is very popular now in K-a-M.

"Yugoslavia was one of the most developed eastern european country prior to the war. And now its lagging behind countries it could squash economically with a fart. And guess who's at fault?? SERBIANS!"

Interesting, you didn't mention Serbs when you commented Yugoslavia as the most developed but you comment Serbs when you speak of Yugoslavia fall.

Why you don't ask yourself why Yugoslavia was most developed in Eastern Europe, which part of Yugoslavia was economic giant, where was the economic, culture, sport capital? I will answer this for you, copy/paste that word from your post above. S......!

Independence for Kosova said...


WE are not denying that there is corruption at all levels in Serbia. yes Serbia is corrupt, but less corrupt than it was in 90s, and thank God its getting less and less corrupt at all levels. Before everything was pushed under the carpet, but now people know more whats going on.

But what I find annoying is that you siptars keep opn insisting that you are angels, how your terrorists for politicans wouldnt hurt a fly (except to execute a few hundred of Serbs).

I guess in Serbia we are at a stage where we recoignize the corruption, but you in "Kosova" are still in the denial phase. Taci is speaking out based on facts, and i congratulate him for that.

Wake up siptari, you are no angles...


Ivan seriously do you have down-syndrom, A.D.D., or just plain illiterate?

You have car factories making illegal weapons, that's a terrorist activity. You have secret militaries excecuting minorities, you have radicals that are more fascist then the Nazis, and you are saying Serbia is less corrupt? Let me remind you again, Serbia = Top 10. I don't care what Thaçi says. We are not angels but when you compare Serbians to Kosovars we are. We didn't massacre, kill, burn, cut Serbs. There are/was no Serbian Genocide in Kosova executed by Kosovars. You Serbs keep forgetting, you got lucky in 1900's as the whoreish Europe raped Albania (the Kosova part) and gave it to you. Ever since we have been treated like crap, less important then 2nd rate citizens. You simply don't understand all the human rights violations. So yes we are ANGELS, we want to move towards democracy while Serbia wants to delay everything for another 500 years and start a crusade---for the "holy land." HAHAHA :P. Kosova is lost, freedom is inevitable.

Ohh yes, now to reply to my "terrorist-politicians." Okay your Chetniks fought for "state integrety, so you consider them heroes. My politicians fought to free our land from Shkije, so they are heroes. Remember there are two definition for a terrorist:

Someone who causes harm, pain, and fear for personal reasons.

A freedom Fighter.

To us they are FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
UCK= Ushtria Clirimtare e Kosoves
Trans: Kosova Liberation Army.

ivan said...

Independent Kosovo,

"There are/was no Serbian Genocide in Kosova executed by Kosovars"

I just have one reply to you on your whole BS post:


MARCH 2004

Thank God UNMIK was there.

Anonymous said...

How is it possible to be this intolerant guys ! Seen from outside this actually indicates that KOSOVO should be an IC protectorate for the next 50 years or so, neither of you are capable of administrate this province!!!

cvijus said...

"To us they are FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
UCK= Ushtria Clirimtare e Kosoves
Trans: Kosova Liberation Army."

hey look at these freedom fighters:

http://resistance.chiffonrouge.org/IMG/jpg/image001.jpg

http://resistance.chiffonrouge.org/IMG/jpg/image005.jpg

hey independent kosovo, in which of these pictures are you?

Anonymous said...

"http://resistance.chiffonrouge.org/IMG/jpg/image001.jpg

http://resistance.chiffonrouge.org/IMG/jpg/image005.jpg"

That's what I call freeing Kosova

Anonymous said...

Those pics are doctored and any photoshop pro can do them.
However this cant be doctored:

http://www-tc.pbs.org/media/frontlineworld/srebrenica_lo.mov?mii=1
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/view?&h=112&w=150&type=realmedia&rurl=new.balkansnet.org%2Fethnicl.html&vurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnew.balkansnet.org%2Fslitthroat.ram&back=p%3Dbosnia%26sm%3DYahoo%2521%2BSearch%26toggle%3D1%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3DFP-tab-vid-t%26b%3D341&turl=re2.mm-so.yimg.com%2Fimage%2F1793404430&name=slitthroat.ram&no=357&tt=487&p=bosnia&oid=137709f999da9c3f&dur=5
http://photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/dying.html

cvijus said...

"Those pics are doctored and any photoshop pro can do them."

Man your hate is so advanced that it blinds you and you reject everything that proves you wrong. I can only feel sorry for you

Anonymous said...

First deal with your rapist kind and with the massacres you committed and then talk about someone else's.

Anonymous said...

Even if true those pics dont show the people being murdered or slaughtered but the evidence of your own massacres can be seen from the start to end. Those heads could have been severed after they had been killed.

cvijus said...

"Even if true those pics dont show the people being murdered or slaughtered but the evidence of your own massacres can be seen from the start to end. Those heads could have been severed after they had been killed."

No their heads were cutten when they were alive. You're so stupid.

A cutten head is a cutten head, and those ppl on the pics not only break the rules of war (war crime) but also show an extended amount of barbarity by playing with the heads.

"First deal with your rapist kind and with the massacres you committed and then talk about someone else's."

While we're at it, you deal with your own head-cutting kind.

cvijus said...

"No their heads were cutten when they were alive. You're so stupid."

Just for the record, I don't know how stupid you are but over here I was sarcastic.

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