Friday, March 17, 2006

Serb objections mar second round of Kosovo talks

By Matthew Robinson

VIENNA (Reuters) - Serbs and ethnic Albanians met in Vienna on Friday for a second round of talks on the future of Kosovo, marred at the outset by Serb objections to the presence of a former guerrilla leader Belgrade accuses of terrorism.

The two sides opened direct talks last month, seven years since late Serb strongman Slobodan Milosevic went to war with NATO and lost control of the southern Serbian province to the United Nations.

After a timid first round, the gloves came off on Friday as the Serbs submitted a formal protest to UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari over the Kosovo Albanian delegation's choice of former rebel commander Hashim Thaci as leader.

"This is a man convicted of terrorism in 1997 and is under investigation in Belgrade for war crimes," said Serb negotiator Aleksander Simic. "We told Mr Ahtisaari that this is not good for the future of the negotiations."

Thaci shrugged off the objections. "The dark past will be buried tomorrow with Milosevic in Serbia," he told reporters.

Milosevic died at the weekend four years into his war crimes trial and will be buried under a lime tree at his family home in central Serbia on Saturday.

Friday's meeting continues a discussion of how to devolve power to the Serb minority, part of a "bottom-up" approach adopted by Ahtisaari as he grapples with one of Europe's most intractable diplomatic conundrums.

"DESTRUCTIVE"

The province of 2 million people has been run by the United Nations since 1999, when NATO bombed to drive out Milosevic's forces accused by the West of atrocities against Albanian civilians in a 2-year war with Thaci's Kosovo Liberation Army.

The 90-percent ethnic Albanian majority says Milosevic lost Kosovo in 1999 and will settle for nothing less than independence. Serbia argues this would mean amputating sacred land central to the Serb identity for 1,000 years.

Some form of independence appears almost certain. But Western powers want the Albanians to make concessions to the Kosovo Serbs, ghettoized and targeted by sporadic violence since the end of the war, when around half the Serb population fled.

Belgrade has proposed the creation of a Serb entity within Kosovo, with special links to the rest of Serbia. The Kosovo Albanians say this means ethnic partition. They are offering more modest decentralization, but no links to Belgrade.

"Belgrade's ideas are destructive," Kosovo President Fatmir Sejdiu said in an interview with Austrian newspaper Die Presse. "Serbia wants the division of Kosovo. Their rhetoric shows that for them the war over Kosovo continues."

The Kosovo delegation baulked at the agenda for Friday's meeting, which included "inter-municipal cooperation and cross-boundary cooperation" -- something the West says Albanians must accept if they are to offer the Serbs a future.

45 comments:

Dardania 2006 said...

Thaci shrugged off the objections. "The dark past will be buried tomorrow with Milosevic in Serbia," he told reporters.


Well said Thaci :)

Anonymous said...

I still can't understand why we Albanians are going to Vienna to talk about the internal affairs of our soon to be independent country. Independence should be the only issue and this should not be discussed with Belgrade at all. The final status of Kosova's minorities should & will be worked out by internal discussions after independence is determined. When we, the Albanians (the true and oldest inhabitants/owners of Kosova) don't as know what type of independence we are to receive, then I think it is ridiculous to talk about minority issues.

true patriot

armera said...

I find this interesting.

They are complaining about Thaqi, since Belgrade thinks he is war criminal.

We on the other hand, know that we are sitting against proven team of war criminals that has committed war crimes against us. Most of which is caught on tape.

Yet we don’t say anything.

This makes me ask my self, are they ever going to get real?

It takes two sides to have peace you know what I am saying ;)

Anonymous said...

Armera, after reading this article I wanted to leave a comment very similar to yours. If we only wanted to negotiate with pacifists then probably only Natasha Kandic would be sitting in the Serbian side.

Fatos

P.s. I like the fact how Kosovars are playing balls with Serbs, pissing them off and making them look like fools (in front of their ppl and the rest of the world) when we chose Thaqi to lead this delegation. I think it's Fatmir Limaj's turn next time.

Anonymous said...

every serb claiming rights in kosovo is war criminal.

Albasoul said...

I dont agree with the idea that we should not even go to Vienna. That would bring us one the position of most of the serbs. We have to show the world that we are the openminded ones.
We dont mind talking. We mind being killed

Anonymous said...

We have showed that to the world in Ramboulliet talks. Serbs showed how blind they are and got bombed for 2 months and now their GDP is under that of Cambodia.

ivan said...

Siptari,

I feel like explaining to a child. You are not independent, and as long as you ar enot independent you are officially part of Serbia.

Putting war criminals to lead your team is a very intellegent move, since you are hoping tha Belgrade will leave the table. But fortinatley our negotiations team does not fall for your provocations.

One question for you siptars. Would you negotiate if Arkan was leading the serbian team?

Anyway i hope you will finally realize that as long as there are serbs in Kosovo and Metohija, you will always have problems in your internal affairs.

Anonymous said...

Anyway i hope you will finally realize that as long as there are serbs in Kosovo and Metohija, you will always have problems in your internal affairs.

I hope you're mistaken coz otherwise we would have to get rid of them!!?
Remember, you can't knock heads with Albanians. We've had a tough life for a century under Serbia and five more under Ottomans. You don't want to race with us to the bottom.

Anonymous said...

"One question for you siptars. Would you negotiate if Arkan was leading the serbian team?"

The answer: Yes if we could. The only problem would be that once he stepped out of Serbia he would probably get arrested for war crimes :) - which explains why you killed him.

now a question for you: are you comparing Thaqi with Arkan?

ivan said...

"I hope you're mistaken coz otherwise we would have to get rid of them!!?"

Nice multiethnic model you show.

You see siptari, its not so much the problem of your politicains, its with the common people. When I read the statements your politicans say, i think hey they are not so bad, they will give the serbs full rights they deserve. But then I read the news and I see how serbs are discriminated, how they suffer, how for 7 years they need protection to move through out Kosovo and Metohija. Then I think whats wrong.

And the final hit comes from your comments, where I realize that your politicians are faking of readiness to be multiethnic, where in fact the reality is , that as soon as the west turns its back on you, there will be a massive slaughter of serbs.

Dardania 2006 said...

Ah Serbs...

Ivan I like what you say here:

Anyway i hope you will finally realize that as long as there are serbs in Kosovo and Metohija, you will always have problems in your internal affairs.

You clearly prove that Serbs are trouble makers, the root of the problem for every nation in South East Europe.

Here is the solution: start respecting others.

Until Serbs learn that the world does not revolve around them...they will feel bad, and horrible about themselves as result causing problems for others.

The psyche of a Serb is fascinating.

Anonymous said...

a comment from BBCWORLD:

****Thousands died in the wars Slobodan Milosevic started, and lost***

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4797564.stm

Did you say that we are still part of Serbia? If you are referring to the geographical location, yeah you are right, we are south of Serbia. But if you referred to be under the state of serbia, I would doubt your knowledge of the definition of a state.

Anonymous said...

"Putting war criminals to lead your team is a very intellegent move, since you are hoping tha Belgrade will leave the table. But fortinatley our negotiations team does not fall for your provocations. "

hahahah nice excuse - why dont you say that you are bitches and cannot do anything about it. Brother, you are staying in the table because you have nothing to lose, you have lost everything you stole. We Albanians are there to give you some a bone, and you can chose to starve or talk. The chose is yours.

Anonymous said...

"But then I read the news and I see how serbs are discriminated, how they suffer, how for 7 years they need protection to move through out Kosovo and Metohija. Then I think whats wrong."

oh you were wondering what is WRONG: hmmm let me take a wild guess - go view some pics of your discriminated brothers kissing the picture of the person who is compared to pol pot, sadam, Megistu, and many other barbarians and that will explain it.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE READ:

Slobodan Milosevic was once dubbed by the Western media "the butcher of the Balkans".

Thousands died in the wars Slobodan Milosevic started, and lost
In one of his early speeches, in 1988, before hundreds of thousands of Serbs, he declaimed: "We enter every battle... with the aim of winning it."

But, in the end, the Serbs lost all their wars. They lost in Croatia, in Bosnia and in Kosovo.

ivan said...

Dardania,

no we are not trouble makers. ITs just what goes around comes around. You coudlnt live under the rule of Serbia, well serbs cant live under the rule of albanians. Simple as that. If the areas where Serbs live start protesting against your rule calling for their independence what will you do?

What if the form Serbian Liberation Army, what will you do then?

" We Albanians are there to give you some a bone, and you can chose to starve or talk"

Hahaha, you siptars are really something. You cant even supply your own house with electricity, and you are talking about giving bones.

" But if you referred to be under the state of serbia, I would doubt your knowledge of the definition of a state. "

so look it up. Go read any world news, and you will see that Kosovo is referred as southern Serbian disputed province.

Hey will you guys participate in the world cup? ;)

ivan said...

Siptari,

"oh you were wondering what is WRONG: hmmm let me take a wild guess - go view some pics of your discriminated brothers kissing the picture of the person who is compared to pol pot, sadam, Megistu, and many other barbarians and that will explain it. "

Poor siptari, you are so far away from any democratic or civilized value. I pitty you.

So now because they support milosevic, you will kill all of them.

What are we supposed to do with alabanians in Preshevo and Medvedja? They support the butchers of serbs, shall we just execute them as you do?


"But, in the end, the Serbs lost all their wars. They lost in Croatia, in Bosnia and in Kosovo. "

Yes you are right, we did lose those wars. And? whats your point now, Milosevic was a bad politician. WOW you discovered America.

shit you siptars are really smart. Hey remind me again what was the name of that siptar that won a nobel prize ;)

Independent Kosova said...

"Poor siptari, you are so far away from any democratic or civilized value. I pitty you."
And yes your scumish country is an example of democracy??

"What are we supposed to do with alabanians in Preshevo and Medvedja? They support the butchers of serbs, shall we just execute them as you do?"

The Kosovars in Preshevë, Medjev, and Bujanoc should be included in the new Independent Kosova/ë. We execute serbs?? WOW!! powerful shit coming from a junior high drop out.

"shit you siptars are really smart."
And your scum shka kind is illiterate. What's your point?

Ivan
"
What if the form Serbian Liberation Army, what will you do then?"

You mean the Chetniks of Kosova? I'm glad you are already PLANNING for it?? I'm probably sure you are also sending weapons...the ones coming from Zastava correct?

"
Hahaha, you siptars are really something. You cant even supply your own house with electricity, and you are talking about giving bones."

Let me give you a quote by an American soldier in Kosova.

"..this is ain't serbia, this is Kosova." As long as shkijet live under our house, they will abide by our rules. If they think the camps in serbia are better, please be my guests. Ivan you scum I gotta ask, if we are such a weak nation then how come you couldn't win the war even with mercenaries, secret armies, Arkan, or with such artillary? I keep telling you Kosova is the future, serbia has already become the scum whole of Europe...

We'll see how far serbia will get in 20 years. Like a friend said to me today "these people are mourning over the butcher of balkans as if he's a hero...these people are terrorists".

Anonymous said...

“After March 17, 2004, a widespread police action began, but the main conspirators have obviously not been arrested. That is what poses a great danger. Whatever happens to Kosovo, I am afraid that the solution will rest on a cracking foundation, because the crimes were never addressed and sanctioned. I think that the international community did not do their part either.” Ivanovic said.
I agree..those boys were drowned and still nothing has been done...FUCKING shame on UN!!!

“It is a fact that the March violence was an explosion of internal frustrations in the Albanian community in Kosovo, which in the end was turned to a hate for the non-Albanian community, especially for the Serbs..."
Very very true, actually the people were pissed completely then when the boys were chased and let drown that really filled the cup with anger.

AND to top it off

The March 2004 riots in Kosovo began as protests led by Albanians after two Albanian boys were found drowned in the Ibar River, near the village of Cabra.

Bravo B92 you finally produced an article good enough to read. If they actually start to produce unbiased news, and bring back the albanian version of their news I just may start to read their crap.

Kosovar2006 said...

. You coudlnt live under the rule of Serbia, well serbs cant live under the rule of albanians. Simple as that.

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Well Albanians were the 90% majority thats why we didnt want to live under 6-7% of the population

Do you think those 6-7% tha proablbly hold a terrority of a small city at most. Would start their libaration haha do you really think Serbs are that brave, you're living in the dreamworld my friend

Serbs that live in Kosova should just start working for their future as Kosovars and try and build the nation that will look after them and not like proper SErbia that really doesnt give a damn about serbs in kosova its all about territory.

My grandad used to tell me 'always be wary of Serbs. They hide their knifes under their pillow, they become friendly nice when you turn round they will kill you.They always have some catastrophic under their sleeve'

I guess he was right Well they started two world wars, And if they do something stupid like. serb trups enter mitorvica. Then as Besnik Mustafaj ( albanian forign minister said) Kosova will be a pandora's box

I guess we'll just have to get the rest of the land that belongs to us. Instead of Sebia loosing little just kosova then they will loose everything they stole including Albanian land in MAcedonia and Montenegro.

So my Serbian friend lets leave it here and look to the future as neighbours in the EU.

Just remember prior 1999 you were kicking someone that was down (it took a century to get us down), kicking them hard as you could. But these 7 years Kosovars are back on their feet. This time it will be a good fight and see who is the strongest. We might just complete Shaban Paluzha's plan and raise Albanian flag in NISH

tironsi said...

What the Serbs are demanding is ridiculous. First they don't want to give independence, and then they even want control of the areas where Serbs are living? How is that even "more than autonomy less than independence"?

I think the Albanian delegation should just whip out some European country's local government laws, and go with that. It makes sense to have decentralization anyway. If a local government has more power, it means it can be held accountable locally, and there is less chance of corruption. However the locality should in no way be determined by ethnic lines, and to think that Serbia would have any control over these areas is ridiculous. They're dreaming if they think Albanians would take orders from them anymore.

albasoul said...

Check this out guys:
"Washington. Albanian-American Civic League, led by former Congressman Joseph DioGuardi, submitted yesterday to US Congress a petition hailing Kosovo's independence, Macedonian agency Makfax informs.
The petition is in Albanian. It calls on the White House to respect and recognize the will of a nation seeking sovereignty.
The document was handed over to Henry Hyde, Chairman of House of Representatives' Committee on International relations.
According to Albanian-American Civic League representative the signatures had been collected over last two years in Kosovo and the Balkan region and it was signed by hundreds of Serbs, Roma and other non-Albanian nationals."
Isn't it amazing? If there are serbs that have signed that petition that means that Belgrade is barking for nothing. Even Serbs of Kosova are realizing that Serbia is going to hell.
Wake up Ivan!!!!

Anonymous said...

Serbs will have all the rights to live in a sovereign Kosova/Dardania. Once we get the internationalrecognition they can yell like pathetics
" Ovo Je Srbija" but slowly they will realise the "new world order" and the need to cooperate with Kosovars. End of story!

Kristian said...

To: IVANA!



shit you siptars are really smart. Hey remind me again what was the name of that siptar that won a nobel prize ;)

Well maybe not a nobel prize for academics but NO SERB ON THE WHOLE PLANET HAS EVER WON A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE!

http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1979/

http://www.ewtn.com/motherteresa/
Mother Teresa



.....Putting war criminals to lead your team is a very intellegent move, since you are hoping tha Belgrade will leave the table. But fortinatley our negotiations team does not fall for your provocations....


Every official in the Serb government is a war criminal, UNLESS they were elected after Milosevic's fall from power! Your Military commanders are still holding their positions even after Milosevic fell from POWER! Plus they are hiding your COUSIN Ratko Mladic at MILITARY bases. How democratic is your government???? I'm waiting on a REPLY IVANA!!!!

You see siptari, its not so much the problem of your politicains, its with the common people.

Maybe you should take a good look in the MIRROR! Did you see how many ppl were kissing the photo of the dead Milosevic! So you can make the same analogy about the Serbian ppl as well. They(politicians) and you have two conflicting points of VIEW! You seem bent on causing strife and entice hatred. You claim Albanians are Nazi's when you yourself have made similar outbursts of Naziism. You repeat yourself over and over with only four points. Are your vocals stuck and keep skipping like a broken cd/record?

You yourself have said that after the military campaign against serbia and the entrance of Nato forces serbs knew that they had lost Kosovo/a! Your words!

You claim 3000 serb deaths after 99 but still haven't given a single source to varify those figures! How come IVANA?

Your like a broken record! No fresh ideas of how to resolve issues but bent on focusing on the problem with no intention of finding a solution.

To all other bloggers please forgive IVANA because he's stuck in a conundrum! PAST (atrocities/genecide), PRESENT (guilt), and UNCLEAR FUTURE!

Peace to ALL Kosovans!

Anonymous said...

Wow shks hold your horse Nobel Prize was weon by Ferid Murati For Medicine. Through his studies viagra was discovered so you should be bowing to is since thats the onlythink that you can use to keep your women happy biaaaaaaaaatch

Anonymous said...

I think Ferid Murati, discovered Viagra having Serbis in mind.

By the way Ivana, I am on a business trip in Czech Republic, and I slept with a Serbian woman last night. She knows I am Albanian, and she even admited. Nothing like an Albanian.

I guess they miss us, soon I think that will help restore our relations. I mean if we can't get along with you guys, we may have to look for an alternative, maybe we can re-establish good relations with deperate Serbian femals.

Cao duso ;)

Anonymous said...

Ivana check this picture, and tell me how does it look to you.

http://www.b92.net/galerija/pics/2006/03/1586899449441c0b3d69719633081389.jpg

Anonymous said...

"oh you were wondering what is WRONG: hmmm let me take a wild guess - go view some pics of your discriminated brothers kissing the picture of the person who is compared to pol pot, sadam, Megistu, and many other barbarians and that will explain it. "

Poor siptari, you are so far away from any democratic or civilized value. I pitty you.

So now because they support milosevic, you will kill all of them.

WHO SAID THAT WE WILL KILL THEM ALL. WE WILL JUST DISCRIMINATE AND NOT LOVE THEM. SHOW ME PICTURES OF SOMEONE KISSING BIN LADEN'S PICTURE IN THE U.S. AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM/HER/THEM. YOU GOT TO START THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX - OR MAYBE YOU WANT TO SAY THE THE U.S. IS NOT CIVILIZED AND DEMOCRATIC? DO SHKIJET HAVE SUCH THEORY?


What are we supposed to do with alabanians in Preshevo and Medvedja? They support the butchers of serbs, shall we just execute them as you do?
NO, DONT RUSH, BECAUSE I DIDNT SAY THAT WE ARE EXECUTING THE SERBS OF KOSOVA.

"But, in the end, the Serbs lost all their wars. They lost in Croatia, in Bosnia and in Kosovo. "

Yes you are right, we did lose those wars. And? whats your point now, Milosevic was a bad politician. WOW you discovered America.
I AM SORRY, I MIGHT BE SPEAKING WITH TOO COMPLICATED KIND OF LANGUAGE FOR YOU. LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF THAT COMMENT. MILOSEVIC FOUGHT TO CONQUER KOSOVA (I.E. MAKE IS PART OF SERBIA) AND WHEN SOMEONE SAYS 'THEY LOST' THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE NOT PART OF SERBIA.

shit you siptars are really smart. Hey remind me again what was the name of that siptar that won a nobel prize ;)

REFER TO OTHER COMMENTS ABOVE. I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR FRUSTRATION. UNLESS THEY START A NOBEL CRIME PRIZE SERBIA IS UNLIKELY TO RECEIVE ANY NOBELS ANYTIME SOON.

Anonymous said...

and this one
http://www.b92.net/galerija/pics/2006/03/36309620441bf62b69826698916049.jpg

Anonymous said...

how much did she cost? any good deal? hey listen, serbs have this deal in many places, where you buy one and you get the second for free, just in case you enjoy threesomes.

Anonymous said...

How civilized?!
http://www.b92.net/galerija/pics/2006/03/1293762466441c0aa422b0d475284324.jpg
Ivan, this is how I picture you and your girlfriend ;)
http://www.b92.net/galerija/pics/2006/03/438775716441c0a26205f1941898063.jpg

Anonymous said...

no man she came for free.
I would never pay a Serbian woman for sex. I would demand to get paid myself.

That is once in a life time pleasure for them ;)

Independent Kosova said...

Stupid question but didn't Ibrahim Rugova win NOBEL PEACE 3 times?

Anonymous said...

A NICE ARTICLE: http://www.b92.net/galerija/pics/2006/03/1293762466441c0aa422b0d475284324.jpg
HAHAHA, THE ONLY AMERICAN SUPPORTING MILOSEVIC IS SUPPORTING SADDAM HUSSAIN. WAY TO GO.

Anonymous said...

until every public supporter of Slobo is dead, there won't be peace in Serbia.

Anonymous said...

Gents, let's be respectful here! Whatever happens in your romantic private lives is for you to know!
Those encounters are not to be used to degrade a different ethnic group. We Kosovars have a mission, to make the state of Kosova, and in doing so we're not going to immitate the actions of the previous Serbian regime! We wil act with dignity!


Deshirojme te bejme shtet e jo filma "ropnica", prishtinalit e kuptojne ket slleng. pershendetje.

tironsi said...

Check out this statement:

"We are bidding farewell to the best one among us," said Milorad Vucelic, deputy president of Mr. Milosevic's Socialist Party.

from http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/international/europe/19milosevic.html?hp&ex=1142744400&en=75851af20ff4b46c&ei=5094&partner=homepage

I wonder how many Serbs consider people like Milosevic the best among them? I'd hate to find out what they consider the worse, or maybe not if they have their polarities reversed.

illyrianboy said...

HEY WHERE IS IVAN? WHERE ARE THE SERBS? DID U NOTICE HOW THEY DISAPPEAR SUDDENLY SOMETIMES?!

THAT'S RIGHT. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF BEING A SERBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Mos u mirrni me femra e mu lavdru se po i qim shkina. Se mundet ndonje i huaj me tregu qysh po i "lodhin" femrat shqiptare. Kqyrini statistikat, per martesat me te huaj neper komunat e Kosoves. Me te gjitha rasat bile. Kshtu qe mos te lavdrohem panevoje!

armera said...

Vellezen e motra,

Jane disa gjana qe ne i dijme shume mire mirepo nuk mundesh me ja spjegu kerkujte normal ne perendim. Thjeshte per shkak te menyres se jetes te qytetarit mesatar dhe sinqeritetit nuk jane te kuptueshme keto gjana ne perendim.

Mua me pelqen shume puna qe e ben KosovaReport, kushdo qe eshte ky individ apo grup individesh. Per kete arsye e kam nje propozim.

Ne menyre qe ti ndihmojme ne kete qellim noble KosovaReport-it ne si kontribues ne kete forum duhet ti ignorojme kesulkuqet e tipit te Ivanit.

Ta ruajm dignitetin ne maksimut dhe ti tregojme botes te verteten ashtu siq dijme. Te qete duke qendruar ne nivelin tone, dhe me sinqeritet.

Ua keme borgj femijeve tane dhe gjeneratave te ardheshme krijimin e nje shtetit demokratik, human dhe te civilizuar. Perdersia ka individ si Ivani ne mesin e kojshive tane, ne nuk kemi nevoje me u marre me ta.

Nje fjale popullore thot, mos e vet se te kallxon vet.

illyrianboy said...

Meaningful images
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=MILOSEVIC&c=images&xargs=0&pstart=1&b=281&fr=&xargs=0&pstart=1&c=images&b=231

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060318/481/pri10603181307

albasoul said...

Jam shume dakort me armeren. Tia leme vulgaritet vulgareve dhe le ti tregojme botes qe jemi komb me kulture.

Dardania 2006 said...

pajtohem me armeren,

keshtu vetem bjen kualiteti i tere KosovaReport, kur keta shtin zjare me mire eshte me i injoru.

Ose perndryshe, le te mobilizohet ministria e edukates a cka eshte me kriju libra dhe site ne gjuhen angleze qe shpejgojne tere historine e pergjakun.

Anonymous said...

fucking SIPTARI, don't play smart with Serbs! KOSOVO JE SRBIJA!!!