By Guy Dinmore in Washington and Daniel Dombey in London
>Published: March 14 2006 20:31 | Last updated: March 14 2006 20:31
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Russia and China have told the US that they will not block the independence of Kosovo, the breakaway Serbian province, according to western diplomats.
Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, discussed the issue with Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, in Washington last week and was told Moscow would not stand in the way of independence, the officials said. Russia and China would probably abstain in a proposed UN resolution that would grant independence.
Kosovo, with its ethnic Albanian majority and Serb minority, has been a ward of the UN since Nato forces bombed Serbia to halt “ethnic cleansing” in 1999 and then took control of the province. But the debate has entered a new phase with the start of UN-brokered negotiations to decide Kosovo’s final status.
The issue is particularly sensitive since Serbia, which has offered Kosovo autonomy rather than independence, is also involved in a face-off with the international community over General Ratko Mladic, the Bosnian Serb war crimes indictee, who is still at large. The death last week of Slobodan Milosevic, Serbia’s former president, has added to the heady brew.
The US and UK are pushing for Serbia to accept that Kosovo will become independent, while Russia, which had previously worried that the province would set a precedent for its own republic of Chechnya, has scaled down its objections.
The officials, who asked not to be named, said the Bush administration had persuaded Moscow and Beijing that independence for the Serbian province was “unique” and would not set a precedent for Chechnya or for the Chinese-claimed territories of Taiwan and Tibet.
However, analysts said some in Moscow wanted a better deal with Washington that might leave open the possibility of a Kosovo-type solution for other regions, including Georgia’s breakaway region of Abkhazia, which is backed by Russia.
Last week Jack Straw, the UK foreign secretary, said Kosovo’s independence was “almost inevitable”. But Philippe Douste-Blazy, his French counterpart, stuck closer to the European Union’s official line by saying that negotiations should not be prejudged”.
The EU has also told Serbia it has until the end of this month to increase co-operation with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia over the detention and transfer of Gen Mladic.
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holy molly!
somebody is in mourning today.
:P Like anyone gives a shit about Russia or China.
This should be interesting, Serbia vs. World. I can't wait for dumbitch to declare state of emergency or unconsitutional...maybe then UNMIK will invade beograd..HAHA
Eat icecream terrorist, oops,I mean serbs.
Mir said...
" Very smart move on Russia/China's part. Now they have alot more favor in their own similar situations. "
hahaha oooops they did it again, they played with your heart oh baby baby :).
Neighbor, don't worry about them now - they had no other way - or starve to death. See, Albanians have rich friends (the west), Serbs have poor friends like Russians and Chinese :).
Serbia is being taken over by Radical and Socialist party! There will be a million serbs crying for the leader in Beograd. That will be the day when we will gain independence! We WILL TELL THE WORLD
" WE CAN'T LIVE WITH FOLLOWERS OD A DICTATOR"
CAO IVANA:)
Here’s a thought now that perhaps the Greek gov't might make a positive and pragmatic policy shift in regards to Kosova & Albanians in general
…Albanians should do their best to inform (lobby) the Greek people who have somehow forgotten that we are their best and oldest neighbours (friends), not their slavic neighbours (serbs & so- called slav-Macedonians). It is a well known fact that Albanians and Greeks are the only true original peoples (inhabitants) of the Balkan Peninsula and that's it. The rest are new comers that moved in to the Balkans using the most evil & vicious methods possible (murder, marauding, pillaging, theft, forceful assimilation, denial of schooling for Albanians & Greeks, etc, etc, etc). In my opinion, they (serbs & so called Macedonian slavs) are here now, but they should always be treated as foreigners by the true and oldest owners of the Balkan Peninsula!
With Love from Prishtina the centre & heartland of Albania
I always knew that Kosova would win its independence.However, I am very worried about the "conditions"the Eu will set on us about the decentralization. Imagine giving in to the serb demand for more municipalities and control by the serb government of those regions. If that happens Kosova will never be free of serb involvment of Kosova's affairs. Dont count your chickens yet my compatriots, the EU and serbs have many aces up their sleeves. Remember north Mitrovica how it was snatched by serb security forces with the help of the french? And Kristian is right about the Kosova not being free in the next 200 years but by then the drugs and the "cultural" influences of the EU will have the albanian culture vanish and with that albanians as well.
The west controls everyone, dont even try to resist that. What you dont want is them to put sanctions and torture you for years and then give you loans and put the leash on you (which is what happened to Serbia). We in Kosova understand that and are going with the flow.
China's growth depends on the west. Cut their exports to the US (our friends) and see how fast they keep growing.
First of all US and EU is far too much dependent on china. IF they cut trade with china belive you me Nasdaq and Dow will go down hill. Please tell me how many things do you posses that say MADE IN CHINA clothes toys electronics,
anyways I would just like to repeat Kristians say' TLUMT GOJA
this shwould be included in everyones mind. Remember we will be still be occupied but in the modern way. where they milk us of our resources and land use
READ AND READ THIS CAREFULLY
Curtosey of Kristian
Having rich friends comes at a price! As it surely won't be cheap either. First they will start with the World Bank and IMF by giving us loans (which in turn means they can keep a leash on us), then even if they give us independence it will be on condition. So those rich friends will always have a hear say in Kosovan affairs. So "Greater Power" dominance will resonate for another 50 to 100 yrs. As its always been in the past. So we will never be free but be bound as is every other country except those that are making up the rules.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!
Mir, I am going to reply to your question here.
"How am I supposed to believe something when I hear different numbers of death every time from the posters? Last time I heard the number MISSING was at 10000. SOmeone find me an accuracte number is all Im asking for.
I dont deny that the criminals like Arkan didn't kill Albanians but don't just say numbers that sound good. Give me some website/link with official numbers. Ive heard too many different numbers."
Mir if were to count all the people killed for a century, ever since your opressive "leaders" took power it would be too great a number for you to believe. The reason why there is no ONE link is because there are still people missing that no one knows what happened. The best we can do know is count the ones that are dead, as of right now a good 10,000 have been found dead and the ones missing are also counted as dead. So the number can range as some still hope their loved ones are alive.
Even if I gave you a link, it's not like you are going to believe it. If I give you links that say the 3Kosovar kids were drowned in Mitrovicen e Veriut, you won't believe it. If we gave you a link that say 12-20 thousand dead the next thing coming out of your mouth is, show me, I don't believe it. It's another thing to read from some internet site, and another to live there. You can't tell me Tanjung or B92 knows more about what's happening than I do. If I remember exactly Serbs still think Raçak never happened, and innocent people weren't hurt, also Drenica doesn't exist. Not to even mention the 42 Massacred Jashari Family.
How can i give you anything if you don't think open mindedly??
Agim Ceku is my new Hero!
I love his confidence, his passion when he speaks about Kosova. I feel it that he wants a change for better. And i'v realised that his school of thought is
"worldly" the guy has seen first hand the nation building in Croatia and that experience is what we need from a local politician in Kosova/Dardania.
Shume shmeker, duhet ta ruajme kete njeri mos ta djegim si politikan, sepse ka vizion per nje Kosove moderne, ligjore e progresive.
Agim vetem perpara!
dardaniaForever
armera
Islamic investments much healthier of course there is loads of high street banks introduceing them here in britain such as Lloyd TSB ABbey and even Royal Bank of Scotland is looking into it
There is strings attach but you will always be able to pay the debtinstead of justpay interest
also
if you put 1000 in the ban kand the bank makes 50 progfit from that you take 25 bank takes 25 its a share responsibilty kinda think#
There is strings attach but ask some economists they think this will work better then the interest
Remmeber islamic bank make syou feel better since it doesnt go to alcohol, arm trade and load of things that is unislamic
Anyway its something to look at THE 'AMAZING' eurpean democracy is looking to adapt this type of banking
cant be that bad
Instead of relying exclusively on ANY loans the idea should be to attract foreign direct investment (FDI) which will create jobs. However, the local politicians need to do a better job of creating the policy environment that brings that in for example, developing and implementing an environmental policy that goes right down to having appropriate trash collection services in the municipalities (read M magazine from Mitrovica from more on that issue). Not to mention the foreign aid (loans or grants and there will be more grants as well) that does come in has to be appropriately invested. The local officials were long ago given fiscal responsibility for their municipalities and I haven't seen much benefit yet, so people also need to learn to vote pols out if they do not use the money well.
Mir you asshole-Kristian has his opinions but that don't mean much as he is for reconciling with you animals. Since he is born/raised in America he never had to deal with your scum race face to face so in a way he is biased since he has lived in paradise all his life
"To know true evil you have to see its deeds" and I doubt that he has seen anything your army did in '99- other than through TV.
Mir, I do believe you and the rest of Serbian race are closeminded. I believe the whole world knows this. If you weren't why have you been killing non-Slavic, non-Orthodox people for centuries?? Or is this a serbian sport? Why are you accusing me personally of portraying the Serbs as evil...you know that I don't have to do that, you guys are pros at depicting inhumanity. Like I said I was grown up as a slave and now I'm free of your scum friends..may all the Chetniks face GOD...the true Judge of good and evil. If you care about how many Kosovars have been killed go do your own research, I'm not your friend to do that.
Also I'd like to share something for you..any person you give him a childhood of ruthless beatings and step him he/she will grow up to be racist...YES I'm racist, so what?? Sue. Find me anywhere where it says in the 1244 that it's illegal for a Kosovar to be racist??
You have yet to put your self in anyones shoes..that's what makes you racist. Also the fact that you believe Kosovars are evil, as people who wait for Serbs to throw rocks at. Your knowledge of Kosovars or Albanians, it's so low!! Amazing.
Tanjung has taught you so little..go get a real education elsewhere.
Well said - hahah - Mir is understandably speechless.
Nobody has showed me yet how China is richer than the U.S. If you read the facts you see chinese listening to the Americans like bitches (just like Serbs). China has a communist govt and if it could hurt the U.S. without starving for themselves they would have done it a long time ago. All the chinese investment happens to be in the U.S. because investors in China dont trust their govt and thus invest in a healthy economy. If the Chinese govt doesnt like the U.S. that doesnt imply that the chinese investors would be stupid enough to take their money away.
Something to think about.
-Driton
I think some people need clarification on some issues so here we go:
China and Russia supporting independent Kosova. . .that's what I'm talking about!
China being wealthy, 10% growth etc. . .whatever dumbass,; it's easy to grow when you start with shit. $3/hour for car factory workers in China vs. $64/hours at GM (that's in the USA fool), chew on that!
US depends on China. . .biatch please!!!!
Milosevic died like the piece of shit that he was. . .yea baby!!!
US military base in Ferizaj. . . why not?!!
Kosova Independent. . . let me hear the guns blaze.
Kristian it is good that you have some experiences with serb regime while you lived in Kosova for 3 years and can fill a book with them. Imagine how much bigger my book would be that I'm living here for over 30 years..
All I'm saying to you and other Albanians who are extending the hand of reconciliation not to rush. Let the ones who have suffered the most and had family members killed be the ones to make that decision.
Also just look what is happening in valley of Presheva and Bujanovc- if you think that these people are reconciled and ready to make peace. Trust me when I tell you any chance they will have to screw us at anything they will do it- and you have to be naive to believe otherwise-afterall history backs this argument fully-just look back past few hundred years..
One more thing I see on this blog is that they blame that shit Millosh for all the wars and suffering. Well guess what it wasnt him personally who did all the killing but rather ordinary serb soldiers and police- and quite willfully I might add...
Growing at 10% rate (which is widely doubted) in a country that is starting out of nothing is not that amazing. I dont know how a country can be called rich when 800 million people live in poverty in rural China. The point of growth is to improve the standards of living, and China needs about 50 years to do that.
I dont know where Kristian sees the good in workers working 7 days a week with no benefits - that is called torture where I live.
Furthermore, I dont know what did you imply when you said that the US growth is solely in the Service Industry!!! Is that bad?
As for education, I think you are blatantly WRONG. Chinese are only good in copying, not inventing. I dont know if the fact that 70% of all nobel prize winners are from the US and that 17 out of 20 best universities in the world are located in the U.S. tells you something, but it should.
As for cash you may be right.
I dont know what you meant by the supply? They need almost everything (with exception of rice maybe) to feed their own people. Saudi Arabia you can say has the supply of what is needed, but if they cannot cause the U.S> economy to stagnate (the U.S> has its own oil fields fyi).
Replying to the commenter who said that China has more soldiers than the U.S. population, I think you are still sleeping. The wars are not being fought by swords anymore. The U.S. military might is far beyond that of China or any other country in the world, which explains why every and single country (with exception of few dictatorships) bow to whatever the Americans say.
When I was refering to the poor and rich I talking about the present. The U.S. has more say in everything than China jointly with Russia. What will happen in 50 yrs is not a concern of mine - I am hoping that by then Kosova will be independent.
"Racism has no place in the future Kosovo ..."
You are preaching about racism yet you use the term "Siptar" and "Kosovo". Yes, you truly are open minded and free of racism. Way to go!!!
You are the future of serbia.
Why do you come to these forums, do you believe you are doing any good? The Chetniks and the Serbs, especially the ones involved in Srebenica had the same mentallity. Why don't you go to a pro-serb forum and have fun with your ideolistic bs about how Kosovars are the bad guys and blah blah. There will never be peace in Balkans if the serbs always going to have this same naive, racist, mentallity about Kosovars and everyone else.
P.S.
If America decided to "win" which it has, what then, pull out? The reason they "delay" the winning is because they want to stay longer for the oil. Winning is really simple, NUKE them. Also China may have more weapons and soldiers..but so what, they have no control. It's America's power and 300 bases around the world that count..tell me how many bases does China have?
Mir, you are confusing. Serbia hasn't really experienced a real war neither. With the exception of Slovania. Serbia picked on the little guys and massacred the shit out of them (ex: Bosnia, Kosova). What was the point of the 18 year old joining the army? At least they aren't forced like in the Balkans. In America you can die at 18 from a draft but you can't drink until 21. Also where did you hear America is growing uneasy with Kosova..infact they are now more then ever to get rid of the issue of Kosova. They are just itching until Kosova is declared Independent. Mir if you believe that you have been mistreated by the big powerful Ottmans, etc, then you wait until it takes Serbia another 10-20 to joing EU, or having to get that stamp in the passport "Independent Kosova".
Let's not forgett the depression in Serbian morality when Croatia and Bosnia win the Holocaust Case against Serbia. Strap on for a rainy weather my friend.
"Why do you constantly insist that I am using that word for Albanian? You are a flat-out liar. I have not said it ONCE. If I have post the link. Otherwise you are a liar."
if you've never used it then why did you answer back at me with "I am using that word"??? I wonder what the word Siptar means..hmm??
"They are getting tired and wasting their resources (which are supposed to be infinite).
No, they want to strike while the iron is hot we both know that the Americans will not leave even after the declaration of Independence. Please how much resources are they using in Kosova that it's an urgent matter to leave?? Kosova is a perfect strategic place for the whole europe..It's in their advantage to stay in Bondstil.
"when you get hit in the homeland."
and you know what it feels like for saudia arabians piloting your air plains in 2 really tall and important towers feels like?
"Good to see you are openminded, not. (funny how you think I am closeminded)"
I didn't know stating a fact made me closeminded and ignorant. You are ignorant because you believe both countries will lose a HOLOCAUST case, keyword being HOLOCAUST. I see no reason why they won't win...none at all. I hope they do call on Agim çeku as a witness to Serbian attrocaties, that would make my day.
Ohh no I forgott the PM is a "terrorist" right who massacred and beheaded serbs? HAHA serbs make me laugh..im glad you guys label anyone against you a terrorist but kiss the hands of mass murders like...(too long for me to start a list).
"Tell me, does the united states have 300 million bullets in reserve?"
I wonder who has more allies, who is respected more, has more bases to strike from every part of the world..and who happens to have more nuclear arms..China or America? I wonder who dicks around the UN..guess where the capital of the UN is, guess who is the leading sponsor of the UN?? Guess who dicks the NATO around...it sure isn't China. Take your mentality, if China has 300 mill bullets then how come they can't do anything about the Tiwann(sp?) issue?
I've noticed that responding to your posts is useless...I would like to see some serbian members who view this part of the world to post some fresh new answers without hearing that argument "its Kosovars/Croatians and Bosnians fault for everything..terrorist..terrorist..crap crap"
To: KRISTIAN:
"At 10% a year China will catch up in a short period of time. Even though it is Communist their BRAIN power was educated in the west. And in any university in the WEST they outperform any nation in Mathematics/Sciences."
IS WHAT YOU SAID, AND I TOLD YOU THAT YOU ARE BLATANTLY WRONG - BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT - THE RECORD PROVES IT.
And out of all those prize winners you should check their ethnic background. The top R&D researchers are increasingly ASIAN (chinese, jap, indian) and the balance is swaying towards their favor based on ethnicity.-
EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE EXAGERATING WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE INCREASINGLY CHINESE, JAPANESE AND INDIAN,THE FACT THAT 70% COME FROM THE U.S. TELLS YOU THAT CHINA CANNOT BENEFIT FROM IT AS MUCH AS AMERICA. (WHICH PROVES TO YOU THAT AMERICA IS RICHER IN BRAIN POWER). NO ONE RACE DEFINES THE U.S. AS YOU MAY KNOW - WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND WORK FOR A SYSTEM THAT KEEPS YOU AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE HERE. SO YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT DIFF. RACES IS THOUGHTLESS.
And they used to say the same thing about Japs as far as copying. Guess what no one says that anymore. But in your case the Chinese are different? - CHINESE AND JAPANESE ARE NOT ONLY DIFFERENT THEY ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT. YOU CANNOT COMPARE CHINESE AND JAPANESE IN EDUCATION AND WORK ETHIC. I THINK WHEN YOUR PRAISE ASIAN STUDENTS OUTPERFORMING ANYONE IN THE U.S. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT JAPANESE NOT CHINESE (THATS A BIG OFFENSE FOR JAPS BTW - IT'S LIKE CALLING ME A SERB). CHINATOWN IS WHERE YOU FIND THE CHINESE.
the growth is real and not doubted. And it won't take them 50yrs to improve their standards. One thing about the Chinese is that they are hard working and can do with minimum LUXURIES that we here in the west have. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU WANT the west is a consuming customer with no end. Needs aren't a factor but Wants are
in a persons daily choices.
I AM SURPRISED THAT YOU ARE EDUCATED IN THE WEST (THE U.S. I BELIEVE). i CANNNOT BELIEVE THAT LIVING WITH LESS LUXURY IN YOUR MIND IS BETTER - THAT IS THE MOST COMMUNIST-LIKE IDEA I HAVE HEARD RECENTLY. I TOLD YOUR PREVIOUSLY, COUNTRIES GROW AIMING BETTER (MORE LUXIOURUS)LIVES FOR THEIR PEOPLE NOT AIMING GETTING BY LIVES. THE AMERICAN CONSUMER HAS EVERYTHING, ASK THE CHINESE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SWITCH AND GIVE ME THE ANSWER.
MANY SENIOR ECONOMISTS DOUBT THE GROWTH (YOU CAN'T BE SAY WITH SUCH CERTAINT THA IT ISN'T). HERE IS SOMETHING TO READ WHEN YOU HAVE SOME TIME: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FJ23Ad01.html
As far as supply, I was talking about the EXAMPLE (i hope this is large enough for you to read) of milk. They own the supply of milk and to key areas where they have bought futures for the next ten years.
HAHAHA, IT'S FUNNY TO SEE HOW AGREGIVE YOU GET WHEN YOU ARE PROVEN WRONG. SO THE CHINESE ARE RICHER BECAUSE THEY OWN THE MILK SUPPLY :).
Your right about the Universities though, but I never argued that point, the discussion was on how the chinese were NOT POOR!
WELL I ASSUMED THAT YOU WILL DO THE MATH. IF CHINA IS RICHER IN BRAIN-POWER AND THE U.S. HAS THE BEST EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS IN THE WORLD THAT MEANS THAT CHINA "IS NOT" RICHER THAN THE U.S. EDUCATION IS WEALTH ABOVE ALL WEALTHS MY BROTHER.
YOUR COMMENTS ARE CONFUSING, AND FAR FROM CLEAR. I WOULD FEEL BLESSED IF I HELPED YOU UNDERSTAND A COUPLE OF THINGS.
BEST,
DRITON
yeah dude trust me: i have had many chinese kids in my classes, and true they are the best to memorize stuff fast... but ask them to come up with a different solution to a problem or compose a poem [:)]... seriously they have not innovative brains.
Okay I didn't read every message in here but why are we arguing about China? So Mir, say in 20 years China becomes the top Super Power, then what?
The main thing here is that with russia and china being okay of independence that means the decision is unanimous. Finally some peace.
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