Tuesday, March 14, 2006

BREAKING NEWS: Russia and China give assurance they will not stand in way of Kosovo independence

By Guy Dinmore in Washington and Daniel Dombey in London
>Published: March 14 2006 20:31 | Last updated: March 14 2006 20:31
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Russia and China have told the US that they will not block the independence of Kosovo, the breakaway Serbian province, according to western diplomats.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, discussed the issue with Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, in Washington last week and was told Moscow would not stand in the way of independence, the officials said. Russia and China would probably abstain in a proposed UN resolution that would grant independence.

Kosovo, with its ethnic Albanian majority and Serb minority, has been a ward of the UN since Nato forces bombed Serbia to halt “ethnic cleansing” in 1999 and then took control of the province. But the debate has entered a new phase with the start of UN-brokered negotiations to decide Kosovo’s final status.

The issue is particularly sensitive since Serbia, which has offered Kosovo autonomy rather than independence, is also involved in a face-off with the international community over General Ratko Mladic, the Bosnian Serb war crimes indictee, who is still at large. The death last week of Slobodan Milosevic, Serbia’s former president, has added to the heady brew.

The US and UK are pushing for Serbia to accept that Kosovo will become independent, while Russia, which had previously worried that the province would set a precedent for its own republic of Chechnya, has scaled down its objections.

The officials, who asked not to be named, said the Bush administration had persuaded Moscow and Beijing that independence for the Serbian province was “unique” and would not set a precedent for Chechnya or for the Chinese-claimed territories of Taiwan and Tibet.

However, analysts said some in Moscow wanted a better deal with Washington that might leave open the possibility of a Kosovo-type solution for other regions, including Georgia’s breakaway region of Abkhazia, which is backed by Russia.

Last week Jack Straw, the UK foreign secretary, said Kosovo’s independence was “almost inevitable”. But Philippe Douste-Blazy, his French counterpart, stuck closer to the European Union’s official line by saying that negotiations should not be prejudged”.

The EU has also told Serbia it has until the end of this month to increase co-operation with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia over the detention and transfer of Gen Mladic.

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53 comments:

Anonymous said...

holy molly!

somebody is in mourning today.

Independence for Kosova said...

:P Like anyone gives a shit about Russia or China.

This should be interesting, Serbia vs. World. I can't wait for dumbitch to declare state of emergency or unconsitutional...maybe then UNMIK will invade beograd..HAHA

Eat icecream terrorist, oops,I mean serbs.

Mir said...

Very smart move on Russia/China's part. Now they have alot more favor in their own similar situations.

Kristian said...

Previous post different article

Mir: Bravo!


I finally agreed with you in all this time. Like I've said all along that both sides are guilty in their views towards each other. And specific comments do not reflect all of the ppl. Any Albanian here that can tell me that all Serbs are bad are not telling the truth and VICE VERSA!



Ivana:


keep on blogging bc you make me laugh the most. You repeat the four cases over and over. Its a great ploy if there are new viewers to this blog. The media does this a lot, so that the main points stick in ppls minds (the propaganda that is). A lot of times your reasonings are flawed. But you repeat yourself constantly. Try a new idea once in a while or a new example. Ivana I hope you have a great day and plz continue to make me laugh :) I enjoy it :)

Lets give IVANA a big round of applause :)

I just remembered an old tape I saw when I was a kid from a Kosovan Comedian. The talk was about kids and how Albanians have so many and then it turned to the Serbians and why they have so few. The thing that stuck in my mind was this:

Serbs usually have 2 kids, usually a boy and a girl, the irony is that you have to worry about the BOY because he usually is a Frier(COOL KID) or a Pider(FAG)! So Ivana guess I'm worried that your the latter!

Peace to everyone and a good laugh too! Maybe we can one day sit around have a beer and joke about this in the near future :)

Anonymous said...

Mir said...

" Very smart move on Russia/China's part. Now they have alot more favor in their own similar situations. "

hahaha oooops they did it again, they played with your heart oh baby baby :).

Neighbor, don't worry about them now - they had no other way - or starve to death. See, Albanians have rich friends (the west), Serbs have poor friends like Russians and Chinese :).

Kristian said...

I beg to differ on that last comment!

Russia might be broke but China is making a lot of money on an hourly basis. Growth rate of 10% yearly even though this years projections were a bit lower then that, not much. China is a force to reckon with.

As far as friends, hmmm no one is your friend unless they want something from you! Let me guess here: a permanant military base for the USA, or uranium deposits (so they don't fall into the wrong hands), economic reasons, etc....

Having rich friends comes at a price! As it surely won't be cheap either. First they will start with the World Bank and IMF by giving us loans (which in turn means they can keep a leash on us), then even if they give us independence it will be on condition. So those rich friends will always have a hear say in Kosovan affairs. So "Greater Power" dominance will resonate for another 50 to 100 yrs. As its always been in the past. So we will never be free but be bound as is every other country except those that are making up the rules.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!

Anonymous said...

Serbia is being taken over by Radical and Socialist party! There will be a million serbs crying for the leader in Beograd. That will be the day when we will gain independence! We WILL TELL THE WORLD
" WE CAN'T LIVE WITH FOLLOWERS OD A DICTATOR"


CAO IVANA:)

Anonymous said...

Here’s a thought now that perhaps the Greek gov't might make a positive and pragmatic policy shift in regards to Kosova & Albanians in general

…Albanians should do their best to inform (lobby) the Greek people who have somehow forgotten that we are their best and oldest neighbours (friends), not their slavic neighbours (serbs & so- called slav-Macedonians). It is a well known fact that Albanians and Greeks are the only true original peoples (inhabitants) of the Balkan Peninsula and that's it. The rest are new comers that moved in to the Balkans using the most evil & vicious methods possible (murder, marauding, pillaging, theft, forceful assimilation, denial of schooling for Albanians & Greeks, etc, etc, etc). In my opinion, they (serbs & so called Macedonian slavs) are here now, but they should always be treated as foreigners by the true and oldest owners of the Balkan Peninsula!

With Love from Prishtina the centre & heartland of Albania

Dardania 2006 said...

Ppl, don't get too arrogant...its making it sound like Serbs during Milosevic's rule.

Told you Russia and China will support an independent Kosova :)

armera said...

Mir,

Thank-You. If more Serbs were like you we wouldn't have any of these problems today. I know we stand far appart and both sides have work to do, however I am very optimistic about our future.

As for Ivan, all I can say is that I wouldn’t wan’t to be him; he is full of hate, which is not good for a person. When you love and understand, you feel better every morning you wake up. Ivan I hope one day you will realize this, don’t worry even you can better yourself. Life is a journey not a destination.

Kristian,

Your analysis of situation is absolutely right. I wish more of our compatriots here shared your vision. One has to realize that if you win a game, you have to offer your hand to the oponent. What he does with it, is his problem. We have to learn to operate in the level we want to be and never drop below it; because if we do there are pople with more experience then us in that level.

I hope one day all of us, Chinese, Russians, Americans, Greeks, Serbs, and Albanians will realize that we all belong to a human race and that we have to fight for positive to win over negative, and that by coexisting with each other all of us can only win at the end.

After all I have seen in the war, I really do understand now that 1 year of talking is better then 1 minute of fighting. I think people from former Yugoslavia know this the best. While we were the most advanced country in the region, now we are the most backward region in Europe. Take a look at Slovenia and see where we would be today if there were no Milosevics to try and “keep the country together” with an army. Another example is Czech Republic and Slovakia, who realized that a divorce is needed before they can continue living and working together.

Keep up the good spirit folks, and lets hope our kids one day can look back on this chapter of history that we are closing, and learn from our mistakes.

I hope I haven’t offended anyone here.

Peace ;)

To my compatriots here: Me fat you qofte shteti.

armera said...

Dua te permiresoi diqka,

Me fat na qofte shteti.
Tash duhet te punojme per te, ta rrespektojme dhe ta ruajm!

Dardania 2006 said...

armera,

Ashtu eshte, duhet shume pune tash, kerkon shume mund.

Nuk duhet me leju kurfar pengesa (ministra te pa-afte, koruptuar, familjarizem) me e rrezu shtetin.

Anonymous said...

I always knew that Kosova would win its independence.However, I am very worried about the "conditions"the Eu will set on us about the decentralization. Imagine giving in to the serb demand for more municipalities and control by the serb government of those regions. If that happens Kosova will never be free of serb involvment of Kosova's affairs. Dont count your chickens yet my compatriots, the EU and serbs have many aces up their sleeves. Remember north Mitrovica how it was snatched by serb security forces with the help of the french? And Kristian is right about the Kosova not being free in the next 200 years but by then the drugs and the "cultural" influences of the EU will have the albanian culture vanish and with that albanians as well.

Anonymous said...

The west controls everyone, dont even try to resist that. What you dont want is them to put sanctions and torture you for years and then give you loans and put the leash on you (which is what happened to Serbia). We in Kosova understand that and are going with the flow.

China's growth depends on the west. Cut their exports to the US (our friends) and see how fast they keep growing.

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Anonymous said...

First of all US and EU is far too much dependent on china. IF they cut trade with china belive you me Nasdaq and Dow will go down hill. Please tell me how many things do you posses that say MADE IN CHINA clothes toys electronics,

anyways I would just like to repeat Kristians say' TLUMT GOJA

this shwould be included in everyones mind. Remember we will be still be occupied but in the modern way. where they milk us of our resources and land use

READ AND READ THIS CAREFULLY
Curtosey of Kristian

Having rich friends comes at a price! As it surely won't be cheap either. First they will start with the World Bank and IMF by giving us loans (which in turn means they can keep a leash on us), then even if they give us independence it will be on condition. So those rich friends will always have a hear say in Kosovan affairs. So "Greater Power" dominance will resonate for another 50 to 100 yrs. As its always been in the past. So we will never be free but be bound as is every other country except those that are making up the rules.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!

arianit said...

Fatekeqesisht na jena tu e bo veten per me na majt nen mbikqyrje. Sjellja ndaj Serbeve eshte marre e madhe per ne si popull qe e kane perjetu ate lloj t'trajtimit por edhe per Perdindimin qe kinse ka intervenu per ti ndal ndjekjet etnike.

Banken Boterore dhe FMNn mos i konsideroni si miq por si cfardo banke tjeter n'Kosove. Nqs ti deshton me e kthy borxhin edhe shtepine e ke kolateral sigurisht qe banka do ta merr shtepine. Prandaj edhe qytetaret e Kosoves nuk duhet te lejojne qe qeveria e shteti te futen ne borxhe pa nevoje pa u siguru mire se ato te holla jane per investime qe do t'rigjerojne t'ardhura per shtetin dhe kane mundesi te kthehen. Perndryshe une di banka islamike qe ofrojone kredi pa kamate , por Kristiani mund te mos pajtohet me zgjedhjen time.

Independence for Kosova--OR DEATH said...

Mir, I am going to reply to your question here.

"How am I supposed to believe something when I hear different numbers of death every time from the posters? Last time I heard the number MISSING was at 10000. SOmeone find me an accuracte number is all Im asking for.

I dont deny that the criminals like Arkan didn't kill Albanians but don't just say numbers that sound good. Give me some website/link with official numbers. Ive heard too many different numbers."

Mir if were to count all the people killed for a century, ever since your opressive "leaders" took power it would be too great a number for you to believe. The reason why there is no ONE link is because there are still people missing that no one knows what happened. The best we can do know is count the ones that are dead, as of right now a good 10,000 have been found dead and the ones missing are also counted as dead. So the number can range as some still hope their loved ones are alive.

Even if I gave you a link, it's not like you are going to believe it. If I give you links that say the 3Kosovar kids were drowned in Mitrovicen e Veriut, you won't believe it. If we gave you a link that say 12-20 thousand dead the next thing coming out of your mouth is, show me, I don't believe it. It's another thing to read from some internet site, and another to live there. You can't tell me Tanjung or B92 knows more about what's happening than I do. If I remember exactly Serbs still think Raçak never happened, and innocent people weren't hurt, also Drenica doesn't exist. Not to even mention the 42 Massacred Jashari Family.

How can i give you anything if you don't think open mindedly??

Kristian said...

To: Arianit

Perndryshe une di banka islamike qe ofrojone kredi pa kamate , por Kristiani mund te mos pajtohet me zgjedhjen time.


If someone could translate this I would greatly appreciate it so that I have or understand what Arianit was trying to convey correctly.

I don't know what Kamate means and zgjedhjen. Sorry guys I was born in the States.

First of all, no one loans you money without strings attached. Its a fact and you don't have to go to the World Bank or IMF to prove this theory. I don't care if the money is comming from the West, East, Middle East, South, North, etc... Loan money to a friend or family member and you'll prove the theory correct.

NO ONE GIVES YOU MONEY WITHOUT SOME FORM OF ATTACHMENT! PERIOD!

Arianit this a fact.


Secondly, the reason I mentioned the World Bank and IMF is because they are some of the worlds worst economic developers, but they're learning. Third World Countries Suffer from their policies. And yes Kosovo/a at the moment is a "THIRD WORLD COUNTRY". If someone disagrees, no offence, but its the truth.

Thirdly, "In response to Arianit" I have no problem with the faith of ISLAM, but 500 plus years of occupation and you still want to stear to the east? I'm a bit worried about that. Remember the Turks could have solved our problems over a 100 plus years ago, but they screwed us in the end just like every other nation on this planet that was envolved in our fate at that time. In my opinion, I would rather beg for money from a Swiss Bank then one from the middle East. REason being they have a better track record and are reliable in every necessity you can think of.

Maybe I misinterpreted what you wanted to say but ISLAM, CATHOLICISM, ORTHODOX, ETC.. should stay out of STATE AFFAIRS. A bank is a bank no matter where it is at. Sorry, but I strongly believe in the Seperation of Church and State or Mosque and State. I hope you understood what I meant.

Just to Conclude things once more, NOTHING IS FREE IN THIS WORLD! IT ALWAYS COMES AT A COST! And we as Kosovans will pay a hefty price. My hopes and dreams are that politicians make the right fiscal choices so that the PEOPLE WILL BENEFIT and not someones pockets. Especially those of foreigners or our own politicians.

Look no offence to anyone, but I really don't trust GOVERNMENTS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST OR THEIR BANKS! Maybe bc I grew up in the states or bc I've studied enough economics to see how things turn out in the long run. They just don't follow protocal as is customary in the West.

Kristian said...

To: other bloggers


Concerning CHINA!


Ppl I don't know how many of you realize how much the Chinese government keeps the US and EU affloat. For the past decade they've been buying Treasury Bonds here in the US and EU in staggering amounts. If it wasn't for them, we probably couldn't pay our own debts and bills.

We need China as much as China needs us.

Reason being they own a large part of us (USandEU).

If we say fuck you to them all they would have to do is say I WANT MY MONEY AND I MEAN NOW! The west wouldn't be able to pay them back! This is reality ppl, not fiction.

All the regions where albanians live were once thriving markets and exporters of goods. We need to re-establish ourselves and once again be recognized as an exporting region. We can't rely on the mines and exportation of Elect/energy. What about the ppl in general? They all need jobs. And Textiles is not the ANSWER IN MY OPINION! (Making shoes?) We need to create an economy based on industry. We have a large labor force that is cheap and we need to learn how to compete with the rest of the world.

Turkey is a great example. 20 yrs ago they were in an economic rut and within 5 yrs boosted they're industrial capacity and quality at unbelievable margins. We need a piece of the pie!

I've bored everyone long enough

Peace to everyone and to a brighter Future to all Kosovans!

May God Bless us ALL!

P.S. Thanks for everyones comments :) appreciate them :)

Anonymous said...

Agim Ceku is my new Hero!

I love his confidence, his passion when he speaks about Kosova. I feel it that he wants a change for better. And i'v realised that his school of thought is
"worldly" the guy has seen first hand the nation building in Croatia and that experience is what we need from a local politician in Kosova/Dardania.

Shume shmeker, duhet ta ruajme kete njeri mos ta djegim si politikan, sepse ka vizion per nje Kosove moderne, ligjore e progresive.
Agim vetem perpara!



dardaniaForever

armera said...

Kristian,

Again, you are very honest in your analysis, and you have a very realistic vision.

I think you did understand Arianit correctly, Kamate = interest, Zgjedhje = Choice (in the context he used it) you did put the rest of the puzzle together.

Arianit,

Claims that you are making are true, and maybe not quite true. It actually depends how blind a person is. I have heard of the similar institutions in Canada that offer loans free of interest, however when you go and read how that works most of the time instead of the interest, they add a profit margins on the loan.

Let's take the house as an example. If you buy it through an Islamic credit union, they buy the house for you for let's say $1000 and sell it to you for $1100. This is because it is against Muslim religion to charge interest. Now if you carefully do the math the profit they make it amounts to the same rate as a normal bank loan or mortgage.

So we don't call it an interest, but profit. What the difference is, I don't get it and frankly I don’t think I am quite interested to get it. I am rather interested to see Kosova becoming a European democracy with true European values, what was always ment to be. I also want to learn economics from the best. Who the best is, it is a matter of perception; then you have economical facts and figures which when interpreted into a plain language for all of us to understand equals to what Kristian is trying to explain.

Now, you may not agree with my choice neither, but in a democracy most of the times we agree to disagree. So live and let live, just like we have so far. Let’s continue to cultivate what our forfathers have tought us, and let’s try and ditch negative things we have (not only us but the whole region) from the Ottoman Empire, so our children can live the life we always wanted to live.

The only leash we will get around our necks is the one we put it around ourselves. This time it will be a choice.

Paçe!

Anonymous said...

armera
Islamic investments much healthier of course there is loads of high street banks introduceing them here in britain such as Lloyd TSB ABbey and even Royal Bank of Scotland is looking into it

There is strings attach but you will always be able to pay the debtinstead of justpay interest
also
if you put 1000 in the ban kand the bank makes 50 progfit from that you take 25 bank takes 25 its a share responsibilty kinda think#
There is strings attach but ask some economists they think this will work better then the interest
Remmeber islamic bank make syou feel better since it doesnt go to alcohol, arm trade and load of things that is unislamic

Anyway its something to look at THE 'AMAZING' eurpean democracy is looking to adapt this type of banking
cant be that bad

Anonymous said...

Instead of relying exclusively on ANY loans the idea should be to attract foreign direct investment (FDI) which will create jobs. However, the local politicians need to do a better job of creating the policy environment that brings that in for example, developing and implementing an environmental policy that goes right down to having appropriate trash collection services in the municipalities (read M magazine from Mitrovica from more on that issue). Not to mention the foreign aid (loans or grants and there will be more grants as well) that does come in has to be appropriately invested. The local officials were long ago given fiscal responsibility for their municipalities and I haven't seen much benefit yet, so people also need to learn to vote pols out if they do not use the money well.

Mir said...

"How can i give you anything if you don't think open mindedly?? "

You believe that 'I' am closeminded!?! You havent even given me a link but I like your excuse. I like your hand-picked stories where you try to portray the Serbians as an evil race. Its funny to watch you reveal your racism. You should just leave the constructive posting to Kristian.

Anonymous said...

Mir you asshole-Kristian has his opinions but that don't mean much as he is for reconciling with you animals. Since he is born/raised in America he never had to deal with your scum race face to face so in a way he is biased since he has lived in paradise all his life

"To know true evil you have to see its deeds" and I doubt that he has seen anything your army did in '99- other than through TV.

Independence for Kosova said...

Mir, I do believe you and the rest of Serbian race are closeminded. I believe the whole world knows this. If you weren't why have you been killing non-Slavic, non-Orthodox people for centuries?? Or is this a serbian sport? Why are you accusing me personally of portraying the Serbs as evil...you know that I don't have to do that, you guys are pros at depicting inhumanity. Like I said I was grown up as a slave and now I'm free of your scum friends..may all the Chetniks face GOD...the true Judge of good and evil. If you care about how many Kosovars have been killed go do your own research, I'm not your friend to do that.

Also I'd like to share something for you..any person you give him a childhood of ruthless beatings and step him he/she will grow up to be racist...YES I'm racist, so what?? Sue. Find me anywhere where it says in the 1244 that it's illegal for a Kosovar to be racist??

You have yet to put your self in anyones shoes..that's what makes you racist. Also the fact that you believe Kosovars are evil, as people who wait for Serbs to throw rocks at. Your knowledge of Kosovars or Albanians, it's so low!! Amazing.

Tanjung has taught you so little..go get a real education elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Well said - hahah - Mir is understandably speechless.

Anonymous said...

Nobody has showed me yet how China is richer than the U.S. If you read the facts you see chinese listening to the Americans like bitches (just like Serbs). China has a communist govt and if it could hurt the U.S. without starving for themselves they would have done it a long time ago. All the chinese investment happens to be in the U.S. because investors in China dont trust their govt and thus invest in a healthy economy. If the Chinese govt doesnt like the U.S. that doesnt imply that the chinese investors would be stupid enough to take their money away.

Something to think about.
-Driton

Mir said...

"Mir, I do believe you and the rest of Serbian race are closeminded."

Well you are wrong.

"If you weren't why have you been killing non-Slavic, non-Orthodox people for centuries?? Or is this a serbian sport? "

So you ACTUALLY believe there is such things as 'good' and 'evil'?? Well that is your opinion and I will respect it.

"Also the fact that you believe Kosovars are evil, as people who wait for Serbs to throw rocks at. Your knowledge of Kosovars or Albanians, it's so low!! Amazing."

I never said that. Ever. I am not racist.

"Why are you accusing me personally of portraying the Serbs as evil"

Because this is a blog where we are supposed to post constructive posts towards a subject (unlike this) and have calmness. Yet anytime your mouth opens its about you
1) Being a victim
2) Serbians killing kids
3) Serbians killing someone else
4) How evil Serbians are

You talk more about Serbians than we talk about ourselves. I guess you need to feed on your own hate.

"If you care about how many Kosovars have been killed go do your own research, I'm not your friend to do that."

Great. Another excuse.

"Find me anywhere where it says in the 1244 that it's illegal for a Kosovar to be racist?? "

(assuming you are Christian)
Isnt there some stuff in your holy book about 'loving your enemies' or something? Guess it dosent apply to you then? Funny how you use religion to your convinience when its deemed neccesary. I know alot of people like that.

"You have yet to put your self in anyones shoes..that's what makes you racist."

That makes no sense.

"Also the fact that you believe Kosovars are evil, as people who wait for Serbs to throw rocks at. Your knowledge of Kosovars or Albanians, it's so low!! Amazing."

When did I EVER say that!?! Never. I am not racist.


Kristian I'm sorry for getting involved in this if anything I said is offensive to you. But I absolutely cannot stand such racism from either sides.

Mir said...

"how China is richer than the U.S."

They're 700 million human beings richer than the US :p. And in a compulsary army system that means they have a fully equipped army bigger than the entire US population.

They have the labor force of course making varieties of generic items but I think their main 'resource' is their population.

Anonymous said...

I think some people need clarification on some issues so here we go:

China and Russia supporting independent Kosova. . .that's what I'm talking about!

China being wealthy, 10% growth etc. . .whatever dumbass,; it's easy to grow when you start with shit. $3/hour for car factory workers in China vs. $64/hours at GM (that's in the USA fool), chew on that!

US depends on China. . .biatch please!!!!

Milosevic died like the piece of shit that he was. . .yea baby!!!

US military base in Ferizaj. . . why not?!!

Kosova Independent. . . let me hear the guns blaze.

Kristian said...

Mir you asshole-Kristian has his opinions but that don't mean much as he is for reconciling with you animals. Since he is born/raised in America he never had to deal with your scum race face to face so in a way he is biased since he has lived in paradise all his life

"To know true evil you have to see its deeds" and I doubt that he has seen anything your army did in '99- other than through TV.



To: Annonymous

I was there in Kosovo/a when the Student protests were happening in Prishtina. I WAS PHYSICALLY THERE AT AGE 7

I also lived there from late 80 to late 83. Went to school there for 3 yrs bc my father didn't want me to forget Albanian since both my parents came here in there teens and pretty much everyone speaks English in the HOUSE!

I was there in 91 when the war started in Slovenian and Croatia on vacation. I was in Split the week before the war broke out to visit my uncle as his base.

That year I didn't have a single problem with the police except the usuall harrassment on the road.

95 is when I got pulled over and had a Ak47 shoved near my neck by a paramilitary officer. He was yelling at me in Serbian and I had no clue as WTF he was saying. The same uncle(earlier) was translating for me. I don't like ppl that yell at me bc I'll raise my voices as loud or even louder. The guy was getting pissed off even though I had my international drivers license and registration in my hand. I barely could talk fluent enough to communicate with my uncle let alone understand Serbian. My uncle kept on yelling at me and telling me calm down your not in the USA anymore. Prior to getting pulled over I got a ticket in Peja near Shtepija Madhe for parking illegaly and the serb (young guy told me that if I have a problem just say Nexnam Serbski). I believe that is why the guy got pissed off because the only thing I could remember was butchering "nema, nexna,neda..." and couldn't finish the sentence. So he thought I was dicking around with the paratrooper. Finally I told the guy with my finger one minute and I reached for my passport in my back pocket. As soon as he saw the American Eagle, he said something amerikanski. He pulled his weapon away looked at my uncle and told him to translate for me that while I'M IN SERBIA I SHOULD LEARN TO SPEAK SERBIAN. I started laughing and I told my uncle translate for me that "I CAN BARELY SPEAK TO YOU IN ALBANIAN HOW DOES HE EXPECT ME TO LEARN SERBIAN". He never did it and I was pissed off bc he wouldn't translate it for me. It was right near a station from peja to Kline bc we were headed for Prishtina.

For six months that I stayed in Kosovo/a in 95 I got harrassed on a daily basis until they knew I was American. The Serbians would get so pissed off that I would look em dead in the eye while a lot of Albanians wouldn't even look at them in the Eye. That killed me more then anything else.

The road to Prishtina from Macedonia, there is a checkpoint and the officer asked me what kind of drugs I had with me. I told him what kind do you want. They searched me through and through. There was an albanian police officer with them and I could understand him but not so well.

Prior to that at the border they held us up for 4 hours bc the guys wanted my Malborough Cigs and my mother kept on pleading me to give it to them. They threw all our clothes on the floor, until I started yelling at the Bitch that was searching our suitcases when the Commander at the border (who spoke english) ordered the Bitch to put the things back in order. And he apologized (not that it mattered bc all the presents/clothes where dirty!

In Kline, I got pulled over I don't know how many times. The last time I was going to the church (slakuchan i think). The guy pulls me over and asks me where I'm from so I told him from my grandfathers village. By this time (six months had passed I could speak Albanian well) I replied in Albanian. The guy started harrassing me how could I be from that village and not speak Serbian. After he said in Serbian finally he gave in to saying it in Albanian. I told him in albanian I don't know. This SOB knew better Albanian then I did, but he would only reply and ask question in Serbian. I had my sun glasses on and he first told me to take them off. I had no clue as to what he was telling me. Eventually he pointed to his eyes and I understood him. I looked him dead in the eyes and he was getting pissed. He didn't even ask for my drivers licence or papers but ordered me out of the car. He tells me open the trunk and asked for the first aid kit in Serbian. I asked him in albanian which one do you want he still kept on speaking in serbian. Finally I grabbed each one and then he grabbed the one he was asking for. Then he ordered me to open it up. He said it was ok. He spoke in Albanian and told me "YOU KNOW WHAT I CAN DO TO YOU? YOU KNOW I SHOULD BEAT YOU UP RIGHT NOW" I told him if that is what you want to do you can. He then ordered me in serbian for the fuses and lights. I had two choices the fuses or the Triangle. I asked him in albanian which one do you want. He finally points at it and I hand it over, then he tells me to OPEN it. He looks at it and says that its not in order. I told him yes it is! He spoke in albanian again and said who are you to tell me what the law is. I told him I can't tell you what the law is but based on the AutoShkola book in Peja its exactly what is required (by the way never read that book but made it up and it worked). He threatened again to beat me up and started yelling and screaming etc.. I told him look stop threating me if you say you gonna do it DO IT but don't make threats. The police station is 3 blocks away we can take this up with your superior. The fucker wanted to hit me so bad he asked in Albanian where is my passport? I told him I don't have it (which I did) his warning was that "if I ever catch you without it I will beat the living crap out of you and you will spend time in jail. It was amazing that he spoke better albanian then I did.

They Confiscated my passport on numerous occassions bc they wanted money. They usually wanted 100 marks for it. My response was keep it bc I can get one in Belgrade at my embassy for less then that! That ticked them off a lot, then they'd give it back to me. They did the same with my uncle at the macedonian border and wanted 500 marks for my uncles Yugo passport bc he had an Albanian stamp on it. We stood there half and hour bc he wouldn't let us go and then I told him keep it. And I told my uncle get out of the car. He finally gave it back and let us both through.

The Kosovo/a police and paramilitary were cruel and I saw a lot of ppl get beat up for no reason. At the police station in Peja, I saw two 18 year old guys get beat up for allegedly stealing, but as soon as I entered the room and showed my passport they stopped and took em someplace else out of my sight. The chief of police was Bosnian and he wrote a letter for me so I could drive and pass through serbia bc I lost my passport. And his comment, when I asked him and the guys there: what did they do to deserve such treatment, His response: "their animals"! Which meant he was calling me one at the same time. That station was full of goods only for the SERBS! Actually it was humanitarian aid that was supposed to be dispered to all citizens (NEVER HAPPENED)! Or subsidies from Serbia for the Serbs. SPECIAL TREATMENT AND ROBBERY!

I have a ton more examples Annonymous and I can write a book about it. I didn't suffer as others did, and your right about that, but I was discriminated and harrassed on so many occassions it was pathetic. So I do know about what happened in Kosovo/a before the war in Kosovo/a. All the time spent there is like 3 1/2 yrs of my life. And I do know how living conditions are and how ppl live. You know what is so Ironic is that when I was a kid in the early 80's ppl used to get along so well. That was the best time I ever had in FROY and the happiest. Its not just about reconciling but living together.

When Albanians were cops: Albanian Police officers of the COMMUNIST REGIME, beat up more Albanians then the SERBS did after the Abolishment of Kosovo/as Autonomy! FACT! Do you remember that by any chance???? Serbs to an extent were better then the Albanian Police officers. How many Albanina Police officers got shot by other Albanians? Bc they over abused their AUTHORITY!

Shit their enough examples to pain the Communist Albanians and Serbs as black sheep. Albanians were used by Communists agains each other. That is sickening! And you wonder why Albanians don't get along that well. Thank God for the younger generation bc they will make Kosovo/a a better place. Anybody over 40 is a lost cause and are still Communists in mentality.

Sorry for boring everyone! My sincerest apologies!

Peace to everyone and a better future.

P.S. When someone comments, think before you write/respond, don't act just on impulse, as Albanians (including myself) tend to do.

Kristian said...

To: Annoymous/Driton


First china is growing at 10% and that has been going on since 1979, economic progress/reforms was started in 1978.

That means they've already doubled their economy and are going to triple it in 3 yrs. SO THEY ARE NOT STARTING FROM NOTHING, THEY ALREADY HAVE A BASE!

The analysis about pay is not entirely correct. There are 2 classes in China: Rich and Poor. The poor will always be exploited. Fact!

On the chicago commodities exchange they have bought FUTURES for the next 10yrs in areas of food, ore, etc.. Ex. Milk they own all milk trades for the next 10 yrs. If they decided to not sell a future, prices will skyrocket bc they own the milk for the next 10 yrs. Supply and demand: They own the supply!

T-Bonds they have heavily invested in them. The reason they invest so much in the US economy is not bc they have too! When ppl or nations have wealth(money) they need to share. china can't just sell stuff to the US without actually kicking back some of that money to the US (through loans). Relations turn sour if your greedy! If the chinese were to recall all their T-bonds today the US would be bankrupt and the Dollar would lose its value worldwide.

Its all about checks and balances!

They have copied the Japanese style of negotiations. Buy from the sellers of resources. Where they get a really cheap price and secure those resources for themselves. Ex. Oil China is now competing with the US! Price per barrel will continue to rise bc their consumption is increasing on an hourly basis. Yes I said hourly!

But china again cannot be greedy! They have to share wealth with their friends and clients. Its how business is done.

China being wealthy, 10% growth etc. . .whatever dumbass,; it's easy to grow when you start with shit. $3/hour for car factory workers in China vs. $64/hours at GM (that's in the USA fool), chew on that!

US depends on China. . .biatch please!!!!


That is why GM is going broke bc they eventually will not be able to compete in the long run! A car produced in China will have a high profit margin with minimal costs. So chew on that "dumbass" And please refrain from name calling bc its shows immaturity and ignorance!

And employees at GM do not get paid 64 dollars an hour on the Assembly line! "chew on that!" Check you local UAW and see what their pay rate is. And guess what that $3/hour worker does a better job then the 25 plus worker and is willing to work 7 days a week with no benefits.

GM in 05 sold more cars in its whole history of existence and made the least amount of profit ever! So think about that!

USA growth is a minimal -2% growth rate per year. This growth rate is all in the SERVICE INDUSTRY! Nothing in the industrial or manufacturing areas. STAGNANT!

At 10% a year China will catch up in a short period of time. Even though it is Communist their BRAIN power was educated in the west. And in any university in the WEST they outperform any nation in Mathematics/Sciences. (Correction) India is a tie in this position! More and more Chines immigrants are moving back to china bc the potential is huge!

You have 3 things why china is richer then the US: they have CASH (hard currency), Brain Power, and they are hungry with a huge population!

Anonymous said...

Kristian it is good that you have some experiences with serb regime while you lived in Kosova for 3 years and can fill a book with them. Imagine how much bigger my book would be that I'm living here for over 30 years..
All I'm saying to you and other Albanians who are extending the hand of reconciliation not to rush. Let the ones who have suffered the most and had family members killed be the ones to make that decision.
Also just look what is happening in valley of Presheva and Bujanovc- if you think that these people are reconciled and ready to make peace. Trust me when I tell you any chance they will have to screw us at anything they will do it- and you have to be naive to believe otherwise-afterall history backs this argument fully-just look back past few hundred years..
One more thing I see on this blog is that they blame that shit Millosh for all the wars and suffering. Well guess what it wasnt him personally who did all the killing but rather ordinary serb soldiers and police- and quite willfully I might add...

Anonymous said...

Growing at 10% rate (which is widely doubted) in a country that is starting out of nothing is not that amazing. I dont know how a country can be called rich when 800 million people live in poverty in rural China. The point of growth is to improve the standards of living, and China needs about 50 years to do that.

I dont know where Kristian sees the good in workers working 7 days a week with no benefits - that is called torture where I live.

Furthermore, I dont know what did you imply when you said that the US growth is solely in the Service Industry!!! Is that bad?

As for education, I think you are blatantly WRONG. Chinese are only good in copying, not inventing. I dont know if the fact that 70% of all nobel prize winners are from the US and that 17 out of 20 best universities in the world are located in the U.S. tells you something, but it should.

As for cash you may be right.

I dont know what you meant by the supply? They need almost everything (with exception of rice maybe) to feed their own people. Saudi Arabia you can say has the supply of what is needed, but if they cannot cause the U.S> economy to stagnate (the U.S> has its own oil fields fyi).

Replying to the commenter who said that China has more soldiers than the U.S. population, I think you are still sleeping. The wars are not being fought by swords anymore. The U.S. military might is far beyond that of China or any other country in the world, which explains why every and single country (with exception of few dictatorships) bow to whatever the Americans say.

When I was refering to the poor and rich I talking about the present. The U.S. has more say in everything than China jointly with Russia. What will happen in 50 yrs is not a concern of mine - I am hoping that by then Kosova will be independent.

Mir said...

"Replying to the commenter who said that China has more soldiers than the U.S. population, I think you are still sleeping. The wars are not being fought by swords anymore."

The Chinese army is increasing their army budget spending by 15% almost anually. It is still a fraction of the price but 300million soldiers cannot be destroyed easily "just" because Americans have better equipment.

"which explains why every and single country (with exception of few dictatorships) bow to whatever the Americans say. "

Ya and even with all that they cant defeat local terrorists in Iraq that the police should be able to defeat in most the world. Hell even with their great army they lost alot of people in Vietnam. Dont get me wrong they are the most well-equipped (powerful) army, but that dosent mean they are good at or understand how to fight wars.

They have yet to even experience a TRUE war like we Balkan people have. They've never had their capitol city and ENTIRE nation controlled by Ottoman Turks or Nazis or any foreign invaders (except the British over 200 years ago but never again). In the US 18 year olds are going into the army because they cant AFFORD to go to college. Think about that, they go to the army and die just because they want an education for a non-army job.

They also seem to have a bad problem with LASTING in wars. Theyre already getting tired in Kosovo and Iraq. Sorry but in my opinion with certain conditions applying, the old JNA (Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian/Slovenian/Macedonian/Montenegrin/Albanian) could have stood against them for a long time.

Mir said...

Kristian what you posted about your experiences truly hit me deep. However when I look at the broader picture I see more. This is not simply a case of Albanians and Serbians being "bad guys".

This goes to show how truly corrupted this part of Europe has become (not just 'our' countries but countries like Romania and Bulgaria) it truly must be stopped somehow.

I went to Serbia and Montenegro in 2004 with ALOT of luggage (mostly $10,000 worth of gifts for family :) ) I had to calculate exactly how much I would need because of luggage weight etc. When I got to Serbian airport a man helped us get all our baggage out. Before we could leave we had to see some lady who charged me 500 DOLLARS claiming the luggage was overweight (even though I knew it wasnt). It got to the point of arguing where we said "Why wasnt there anything about this 'extra fee' on the airline websites?". The lady responded "If you didnt want to pay ME 500 dollars you should have just bribed the guy that helped you carry your luggage."


I truly hadnt seen that kind of corruption so DIRECTLY before and it left an impression on me. So my point is, is there a bigger issue to all this argument? That goes beyond simply being a Serbian or Albanian?

Mir said...

"Trust me when I tell you any chance they will have to screw us at anything they will do it- and you have to be naive to believe otherwise-afterall history backs this argument fully-just look back past few hundred years"

Thats EXACTLY the same RACIST BULLSHIT Ive heard from Serbs about you. Serbians and Albanians with these kinds of views are the problem. Its whats keeping the rest of majority Albanian/Serbians with European values from ever connecting with Europe. But surely you will probably think as you read this "no the Serbs are the problem" or some bs. Racism has no place in the future Kosovo and Serbia will try to head to and you will be left behind with those views.

Independence for Kosova said...

"Racism has no place in the future Kosovo ..."

You are preaching about racism yet you use the term "Siptar" and "Kosovo". Yes, you truly are open minded and free of racism. Way to go!!!
You are the future of serbia.

Why do you come to these forums, do you believe you are doing any good? The Chetniks and the Serbs, especially the ones involved in Srebenica had the same mentallity. Why don't you go to a pro-serb forum and have fun with your ideolistic bs about how Kosovars are the bad guys and blah blah. There will never be peace in Balkans if the serbs always going to have this same naive, racist, mentallity about Kosovars and everyone else.

P.S.
If America decided to "win" which it has, what then, pull out? The reason they "delay" the winning is because they want to stay longer for the oil. Winning is really simple, NUKE them. Also China may have more weapons and soldiers..but so what, they have no control. It's America's power and 300 bases around the world that count..tell me how many bases does China have?

Independent Kosova said...

Mir, you are confusing. Serbia hasn't really experienced a real war neither. With the exception of Slovania. Serbia picked on the little guys and massacred the shit out of them (ex: Bosnia, Kosova). What was the point of the 18 year old joining the army? At least they aren't forced like in the Balkans. In America you can die at 18 from a draft but you can't drink until 21. Also where did you hear America is growing uneasy with Kosova..infact they are now more then ever to get rid of the issue of Kosova. They are just itching until Kosova is declared Independent. Mir if you believe that you have been mistreated by the big powerful Ottmans, etc, then you wait until it takes Serbia another 10-20 to joing EU, or having to get that stamp in the passport "Independent Kosova".

Let's not forgett the depression in Serbian morality when Croatia and Bosnia win the Holocaust Case against Serbia. Strap on for a rainy weather my friend.

Mir said...

"You are preaching about racism yet you use the term "Siptar" and "Kosovo". Yes, you truly are open minded and free of racism. Way to go!!!"

Why do you constantly insist that I am using that word for Albanian? You are a flat-out liar. I have not said it ONCE. If I have post the link. Otherwise you are a liar. And the name of the land at the moment IS Kosovo

Mir said...

"Also where did you hear America is growing uneasy with Kosova..infact they are now more then ever to get rid of the issue of Kosova. They are just itching until Kosova is declared Independent."

You answered your own question. :) They want to resolve Kosovo issue asap and get out. They are getting tired and wasting their resources (which are supposed to be infinite).

"Mir, you are confusing. Serbia hasn't really experienced a real war neither."

We had civilian structures bombed by NATO bombers. Though I dont think that counts as a real war (since there were no ground troops fighting against us in Serbia proper), normal civilians lived in the fear that war can cause. The stability was gone. America has never been in a situation where it is getting attacked by an unbeatable enemy. I am not trying to victimize anyone. Im just saying we, Balkan residents, know what true war is, when you get hit in the homeland.

"Let's not forgett the depression in Serbian morality when Croatia and Bosnia win the Holocaust Case against Serbia. Strap on for a rainy weather my friend. "

Good to see you are openminded, not. (funny how you think I am closeminded)

Mir said...

"tell me how many bases does China have?"

Tell me, does the united states have 300 million bullets in reserve?

INDEPENDENCE for Kosova said...

"Why do you constantly insist that I am using that word for Albanian? You are a flat-out liar. I have not said it ONCE. If I have post the link. Otherwise you are a liar."
if you've never used it then why did you answer back at me with "I am using that word"??? I wonder what the word Siptar means..hmm??

"They are getting tired and wasting their resources (which are supposed to be infinite).
No, they want to strike while the iron is hot we both know that the Americans will not leave even after the declaration of Independence. Please how much resources are they using in Kosova that it's an urgent matter to leave?? Kosova is a perfect strategic place for the whole europe..It's in their advantage to stay in Bondstil.

"when you get hit in the homeland."
and you know what it feels like for saudia arabians piloting your air plains in 2 really tall and important towers feels like?

"Good to see you are openminded, not. (funny how you think I am closeminded)"
I didn't know stating a fact made me closeminded and ignorant. You are ignorant because you believe both countries will lose a HOLOCAUST case, keyword being HOLOCAUST. I see no reason why they won't win...none at all. I hope they do call on Agim çeku as a witness to Serbian attrocaties, that would make my day.
Ohh no I forgott the PM is a "terrorist" right who massacred and beheaded serbs? HAHA serbs make me laugh..im glad you guys label anyone against you a terrorist but kiss the hands of mass murders like...(too long for me to start a list).

"Tell me, does the united states have 300 million bullets in reserve?"
I wonder who has more allies, who is respected more, has more bases to strike from every part of the world..and who happens to have more nuclear arms..China or America? I wonder who dicks around the UN..guess where the capital of the UN is, guess who is the leading sponsor of the UN?? Guess who dicks the NATO around...it sure isn't China. Take your mentality, if China has 300 mill bullets then how come they can't do anything about the Tiwann(sp?) issue?

I've noticed that responding to your posts is useless...I would like to see some serbian members who view this part of the world to post some fresh new answers without hearing that argument "its Kosovars/Croatians and Bosnians fault for everything..terrorist..terrorist..crap crap"

Kristian said...

To: Anonymous

All I'm saying to you and other Albanians who are extending the hand of reconciliation not to rush.


Ok that I totally agree with you! I've said it on other posts. We've always been known for three things in the balkans: mik prica (mispelled), trima, and our besa! We should extend our hand first, but never forget. It shows the world our true character. Mother Teresa should be an example for she won a Nobel Peace Prize. One that no serb has ever achieved.

I found your earlier post a bit awckward bc you immediately assumed I've never been through what you have been through! Again YES I haven't been through as much as the locals that live there day in and day out, but I still have a ton of relatives there, most importantly my Grandfather and uncles, etc.. that went through the same thing as you all did. And yes your right my book is small compared to your book of discrimination, abuse, etc..

My child memories in the early 80's were great bc ppl literally worked together. PPL did not forget the past but the younger generation was moving away from fears that the older generations had, but the demonstrations started, then discrimination (economically and personally by the federal govt) then outright war against us. Milosevic and the other ppl in power reawoke ppls fears and hatreds and put the balkans in a F-up position for all the residents of the Balkans.

And your totally right about the view serbs take that Millosh was the main cause of the wars. One man alone can't run a state or a regime

I'm glad that now I understand your point a bit better :)

Kristian said...

Other: anonymous

Growing at 10% rate (which is widely doubted) in a country that is starting out of nothing is not that amazing. I dont know how a country can be called rich when 800 million people live in poverty in rural China. The point of growth is to improve the standards of living, and China needs about 50 years to do that.

The growth is real and not doubted. And it won't take them 50yrs to improve their standards. One thing about the Chinese is that they are hard working and can do with minimum LUXURIES that we here in the west have. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU WANT the west is a consuming customer with no end. Needs aren't a factor but Wants are in a persons daily choices.

I dont know where Kristian sees the good in workers working 7 days a week with no benefits - that is called torture where I live.

The good is that those ppl are willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done. And its not torture bc its a persons choice to work 7 days a week. Pre WWII Americans/Europeans did the same and had no UNIONS and worked for Pennies. And until the child labor laws(USA) were passed kids at age 5 or above worked 10 to 12 hour a day. The older generations think the younger generation are pussies!

Furthermore, I dont know what did you imply when you said that the US growth is solely in the Service Industry!!! Is that bad?

Yes and NO! It all depends on the Service. Bio-sciences, Business/Economic, High tech, Med, R&D are a resonating YES! But how many ppl do you see in these service areas?

The country is moving towards low paying services. That is BAD!

As for education, I think you are blatantly WRONG. Chinese are only good in copying, not inventing. I dont know if the fact that 70% of all nobel prize winners are from the US and that 17 out of 20 best universities in the world are located in the U.S. tells you something, but it should.

How am I WRONG??? Did I not say: "Even though it is Communist their BRAIN power was educated in the west." Maybe you need reasing glasses? So tell me how am I wrong?


And out of all those prize winners you should check their ethnic background. The top R&D researchers are increasingly ASIAN (chinese, jap, indian) and the balance is swaying towards their favor based on ethnicity.

And they used to say the same thing about Japs as far as copying. Guess what no one says that anymore. But in your case the Chinese are different?

Your right about the Universities though, but I never argued that point, the discussion was on how the chinese were NOT POOR!

I dont know what you meant by the supply? They need almost everything (with exception of rice maybe) to feed their own people. Saudi Arabia you can say has the supply of what is needed, but if they cannot cause the U.S> economy to stagnate (the U.S> has its own oil fields fyi).

As far as supply, I was talking about the EXAMPLE (i hope this is large enough for you to read) of milk. They own the supply of milk and to key areas where they have bought futures for the next ten years.

Did you know that China's oil fields are 3 times larger then the ones in the Middle East.


FYI the world market price of crude can stagnate an economy. The USA only gets 15% max crude oil from the middle east. The USA does export oil. The price of crude oil is determined at the London Exchange. The supplier is not a cause for concern, but their ability for output. It all depends on who is bidding for crude in the pit of the exchange. And the chinese are bidding a lot to secure a constant supply of energy. So the price that the exchange determines affects our whole economy and the world wide economy.


The only part of that quote that is almost correct is that china needs things, not to feed their ppl per se but to feed their energy needs.

I hope I cleared a couple of things up for you. And it was great seeing your thoughts about china :)

Peace

Kristian said...

To: Mir


This goes to show how truly corrupted this part of Europe has become (not just 'our' countries but countries like Romania and Bulgaria) it truly must be stopped somehow.

This is a cultural phenomenon left by the Ottomans. We weren't really corrupted until the Ottomans introduced their way of doing business which after 500 plus yrs has stayed with us. "Bakshish" is the term used in one of the articles that I read. Tip in essence. You have to give money in order to get something done. There is an inherent system that the ppl of the balkans have to shake off and stick by the rules and protocalls.


To: Independence for Kosova

Mir hasn't used the siptar, etc comments. YOu have him mixed up with:

Ivana

Why do you come to these forums, do you believe you are doing any good?

No offence, he has every right to be here as anyone else. That is the problem with albanians in general. If someones views don't comply with theirs they tell them to F-off! Real mature (not you in particular) but of albanians in general.

Any discussion is good. Be it bad or good. You learn different perspectives. Take the example of IVANA. Try to put yourself in his shoes for a millisec (a second would be too long). He grew up with a certain ideology. He is feeling hurt that Kosovo/a will become independent. He only feels hate bc this is happening. He only has one person to blame, but doesn't realize that everyone is to blame (even though he knows this and has said it). His govt screwed his ppl and its previous govt personell are still in power. Yes there is new blood but the old blood is still in the "PEOPLES MINDS" and he is stuck in this mindset. Its going to take a long time for the guy to come to terms.

Its natural to feel frustration, lash out, and be influenced but discussions help you see the whole picture and not just a fragment.

if you've never used it then why did you answer back at me with "I am using that word"???

Sorry shqipe but that was laim. Not to defend Mir, but he never uses the word you mentioned, I'm sure he knows what the word means. Why don't you just ask him what it means to him, its that simple. He is entitled to his opinion RIGHT?

The anology about 911, even though tragic is not a war like the balkans have endured for centuries. The last war the US experienced at home was the Civil War! The Balkans have been always screwed from every direction by war. This time the Serbians started it.

I see no reason why they won't win...none at all.

Even though I'm wishing that it will happen and they(b&h) will win the case. A good example that has a possability is the case against Milosevic. You now I nor Mir know what the Contact Group or the Hague have in mind and its their decision to make.


You comments about the Nato thing and allies

You got to remember when those institutions were created and by whom! FDR

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/fr32.html

" Feeling that the future peace of the world would depend upon relations between the United States and Russia, he devoted much thought to the planning of a United Nations, in which, he hoped, international difficulties could be settled."

The USA has no one to check it. During the Cold War there was a balance of power and that does not exist today. That is why the USA relies on Tech in fighting now bc ppl are unreliable.

I write to much when I'm drunk! Sorry if I bored anyone.

Peace in the Balkans! and a better future.

Anonymous said...

To: KRISTIAN:

"At 10% a year China will catch up in a short period of time. Even though it is Communist their BRAIN power was educated in the west. And in any university in the WEST they outperform any nation in Mathematics/Sciences."
IS WHAT YOU SAID, AND I TOLD YOU THAT YOU ARE BLATANTLY WRONG - BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT - THE RECORD PROVES IT.

And out of all those prize winners you should check their ethnic background. The top R&D researchers are increasingly ASIAN (chinese, jap, indian) and the balance is swaying towards their favor based on ethnicity.-

EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE EXAGERATING WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE INCREASINGLY CHINESE, JAPANESE AND INDIAN,THE FACT THAT 70% COME FROM THE U.S. TELLS YOU THAT CHINA CANNOT BENEFIT FROM IT AS MUCH AS AMERICA. (WHICH PROVES TO YOU THAT AMERICA IS RICHER IN BRAIN POWER). NO ONE RACE DEFINES THE U.S. AS YOU MAY KNOW - WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND WORK FOR A SYSTEM THAT KEEPS YOU AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE HERE. SO YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT DIFF. RACES IS THOUGHTLESS.

And they used to say the same thing about Japs as far as copying. Guess what no one says that anymore. But in your case the Chinese are different? - CHINESE AND JAPANESE ARE NOT ONLY DIFFERENT THEY ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT. YOU CANNOT COMPARE CHINESE AND JAPANESE IN EDUCATION AND WORK ETHIC. I THINK WHEN YOUR PRAISE ASIAN STUDENTS OUTPERFORMING ANYONE IN THE U.S. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT JAPANESE NOT CHINESE (THATS A BIG OFFENSE FOR JAPS BTW - IT'S LIKE CALLING ME A SERB). CHINATOWN IS WHERE YOU FIND THE CHINESE.

the growth is real and not doubted. And it won't take them 50yrs to improve their standards. One thing about the Chinese is that they are hard working and can do with minimum LUXURIES that we here in the west have. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU WANT the west is a consuming customer with no end. Needs aren't a factor but Wants are
in a persons daily choices.

I AM SURPRISED THAT YOU ARE EDUCATED IN THE WEST (THE U.S. I BELIEVE). i CANNNOT BELIEVE THAT LIVING WITH LESS LUXURY IN YOUR MIND IS BETTER - THAT IS THE MOST COMMUNIST-LIKE IDEA I HAVE HEARD RECENTLY. I TOLD YOUR PREVIOUSLY, COUNTRIES GROW AIMING BETTER (MORE LUXIOURUS)LIVES FOR THEIR PEOPLE NOT AIMING GETTING BY LIVES. THE AMERICAN CONSUMER HAS EVERYTHING, ASK THE CHINESE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SWITCH AND GIVE ME THE ANSWER.

MANY SENIOR ECONOMISTS DOUBT THE GROWTH (YOU CAN'T BE SAY WITH SUCH CERTAINT THA IT ISN'T). HERE IS SOMETHING TO READ WHEN YOU HAVE SOME TIME: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FJ23Ad01.html

As far as supply, I was talking about the EXAMPLE (i hope this is large enough for you to read) of milk. They own the supply of milk and to key areas where they have bought futures for the next ten years.

HAHAHA, IT'S FUNNY TO SEE HOW AGREGIVE YOU GET WHEN YOU ARE PROVEN WRONG. SO THE CHINESE ARE RICHER BECAUSE THEY OWN THE MILK SUPPLY :).

Your right about the Universities though, but I never argued that point, the discussion was on how the chinese were NOT POOR!
WELL I ASSUMED THAT YOU WILL DO THE MATH. IF CHINA IS RICHER IN BRAIN-POWER AND THE U.S. HAS THE BEST EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS IN THE WORLD THAT MEANS THAT CHINA "IS NOT" RICHER THAN THE U.S. EDUCATION IS WEALTH ABOVE ALL WEALTHS MY BROTHER.

YOUR COMMENTS ARE CONFUSING, AND FAR FROM CLEAR. I WOULD FEEL BLESSED IF I HELPED YOU UNDERSTAND A COUPLE OF THINGS.

BEST,
DRITON

Anonymous said...

yeah dude trust me: i have had many chinese kids in my classes, and true they are the best to memorize stuff fast... but ask them to come up with a different solution to a problem or compose a poem [:)]... seriously they have not innovative brains.

Mir said...

"yeah dude trust me: i have had many chinese kids in my classes, and true they are the best to memorize stuff fast... but ask them to come up with a different solution to a problem or compose a poem [:)]... seriously they have not innovative brains. "

How can you make a statement about 1,000,000,000+ Chinese human beings based off of Chinese students in your class?

Independence for Kosova said...

Okay I didn't read every message in here but why are we arguing about China? So Mir, say in 20 years China becomes the top Super Power, then what?

The main thing here is that with russia and china being okay of independence that means the decision is unanimous. Finally some peace.

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Mir said...

"So Mir, say in 20 years China becomes the top Super Power, then what? "

Then there will finally be balance of world powers.