Saturday, February 04, 2006

Parallels with Kosovo "irrelevant" says Georgian official

Text of report by Russian news agency RIA Novosti

Istanbul, 4 February: Georgian Deputy Foreign Minister Valeri Chechelashvili sees no direct link between the recent gas crisis in his country and a possible radical decision of the Georgian parliament on the [Russian] peacekeeping mission in South Ossetia.

"I would not look for a direct link between the recent gas crisis in Georgia and a possible radical decision of the Georgian parliament on the peacekeeping mission in South Ossetia," Chechelashvili said in an interview to RIA Novosti. According to him, "it is the quality of Russian-Georgian cooperation in settling the South Ossetia and Abkhazia conflicts that can affect the Georgian parliament's decision".

Chechelashvili noted that on 7 February several Georgian ministers would submit their reports on the efficiency of the peacekeeping mission in South Ossetia to a joint meeting of the Georgian parliament's Foreign Relations Committee and Defence and Security Committee. The meeting will be attended by the minister [of state] for the settlement of conflicts and the ministers of defence, internal affairs and foreign affairs. "The meeting will be closed. Therefore, it would be incorrect to make premature comments on the final outcome of the parliamentary debate," Chechelashvili said.

Answering a question about some analysts' opinions that Georgia could try to resolve the conflicts by force, Chechelashvili said: "We have done so much work to convince the international community, including Russia, to support Georgia's peace plan that none of our partners, except Russia, has any doubts that our government is fully committed to a peaceful resolution of the conflict".

Commenting on the prospects for the continued presence of the Russian peacekeepers in the Georgian-Ossetian conflict zone, Chechelashvili noted: "There are no Russian peacekeepers in Nagornyy Karabakh, but the situation there is more stable".

Answering the agency's question on whether or not a possible settlement in Kosovo could serve as a model for the Abkhazia conflict, Chechelashvili said: "These are two completely different things". "The question of Kosovo's status cannot be used as a model for the settlement of other conflicts. In particular, we consider parallels to Georgia's conflicts as completely irrelevant, if only because in Kosovo there was an ethnic cleansing of the Albanians while in Abkhazia there was an ethnic cleansing of the Georgians. This is confirmed by OSCE documents as well," he said.

Commenting on the recent resolution of the UN Security Council on the extension of the mandate of UN monitors in Abkhazia for two months [instead of the usual six months], Chechelashvili said that "it was a forced decision because the UN Security Council could not agree on the text of the resolution 'On Abkhazia (Georgia)'". According to Chechelashvili, the disagreement was caused by a radical change in the position of Russia, which refused to support the resolution's paragraph that "the status of Abkhazia should be defined within a united Georgian state".

Source: RIA Novosti, Moscow, in Russian 1359 gmt 4 Feb 06

44 comments:

Ziggy Slobodanovic said...

To all people who seek the truth of these issues of ours.

Ask yourself the following question: why do Albanians seek independence from Serbia? Your response is probably typical – self-determination. Well, its not self-determination that guides the actions of your fellow Albanians…it’s something truly evil; something inherent, a disease passed down from your relatives and something that remains with every future generation of the Kosovo Albanian people. The basis of your actions if fascism.
Mussolini's Italy occupied Albania proper in April, 1939, and established a collaborationist regime with the apparent enthusiasm of most Albanians.(1) After Hitler invaded and occupied Yugoslavia in spring 1941, the bulk of current Kosovo-Metohija was placed under Italian-Albanian collaborationist control and annexed to Albania.(2)
When Italian forces moved into Kosovo they were accompanied by Albanians from Albania. Albanians living in Kosovo joined the invasion force as it made its way North and West, and also ambushed Yugoslav Army units moving to meet the invaders. These Albanians, natives of both Albania and Kosovo, instituted a campaign of murder and expulsion of Serbs. Initially, the mayhem was carried out by disorganized "kachak" (irregular) units. These were Albanian brigands from both sides of the border who had fought Yugoslavia throughout the 1920s and 1930s.(3) However, soon a native Kosovo militia was formed. This militia, called the Vulnetari, and various gendarme units, began more systematic persecution.(4)
"The Serbian population in Kosovo should be removed as soon as possible. Serbian settlers should be killed." (Albanian fascist leader Mustafa Kroja, June 1942.)
"The Serbian population of Kosovo should be removed as soon as possible . . . All indigenous Serbs should be qualified as colonists and as such, via the Albanian and Italian governments, be sent to concentration camps in Albania. Serbian settlers should be killed." (Dr. Slavenko Terzic, Kosovo, Serbian Issue and the Greater Albania Project.)

(1) Professor Nikalaos A. Stavrou, KFOR: Repeating History, The Washington Times (August 11, 1999).
(2) Hugo Wolf, Kosovo Origins (1996) chapter 10. Portions of northern Kosovo, from Mitrovica to the provincial border with Serbia, were administered by Germany from the outset, primarily to exploit the mines in the area. An eastern sliver of Kosovo was ceded to Bulgaria.
(3) Dr. Smilja Avramov, Genocide in Yugoslavia, Part 2, Chapter 5, "Genocide in Kosovo and Metohija" (1995): "The crimes were begun by the ‘kachak’ guerrilla detachments which had been sent into Kosovo from Albania, but members of the Shqiptar minority quickly joined in. Judging from Italian reports, at first the situation resembled more the marauding of bandits than a deliberate policy."
(4) Dr. Dusan Batakovic, The Kosovo Chronicles (1992); Avramov, supra.

Please visit http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/thompson/rootsof.htm for more helpful information on these issues. I hope this site will enlighten you in the evil your people are doing and have done to the indigenous Serbian population. Thanks, all the best in your research.

Cvijus011 said...

Nobody even mentiones anymore the thousands of Serbs from northern Albania murdered or expelled from the Hoxha regime after WWII

Anonymous said...

The fact that Jared ISRAEL has talked with Milosevic is the proof that this guy does not honour his grade at the Harvard University. The whole international community is saying that Milosevic probably is the orchester of all that stuff and all that guy finds to do is to go and talk to him by phone…

(…)Note added May 8, 2005: In 2001 and 2002 I devoted much of my time and energy to the international defense of Milosevic. In 2004, following a great deal of conflict in the Milosevic defense committee, which I had been co-leading, I had several hours of phone conversations with Milosevic. Those conversations, and my experience in the Milosevic support committee, have led me to conclude that I had originally misunderstood the role Milosevic played in the breakup of Yugoslavia(…)

You know, I'm studying now in Geneva and I'm quite used to give my papers to the assitants with footnotes but normally they have to be written by my own hand and not copiyed in an internet site which has strictly no legitimity.

It reminds me those french lawyers who love to fight for desperate causes just for glory, Saddam, Milosevic, and all the serial killers of France but this is an analogy that I'll not try to do…


Heku

Cvijus011 said...

heku,

don't try to twist the subject ziggy started. We're not talking now about the Milosevic period, but what was done before it by your countrymen during the second world war.

Me as a Serb feel responsibility for what Serbian individuals have done to the albanians, and I'm deeply sorry for it, which you can see many times through the posts made by me and ivan. But racism isn't only to hate one nation, but also to generalize things about a nation. Not all Serbs were supporting Milosevic's policy during the '90s and I know it the best since I felt how it is to be hited by a police club from '91 till '00. Not even to mention what kind under what kind of moral pressure was I with broken legs and ribs interogated in the hospital by policemen just for yelling in the streets "Spasi Srbiju i ubi se Slobodane" (Save Serbia and kill yourself Slobodan). Fact is that Milosevic was a dictator not supported by the whole nation but every nation had its black sheeps, so the albanian nation aswell.

But here I don't try to generalize, but tobring in facts that every nation has to deal with. We went through the Serbian attrocities very detailed, but now let's see which were the attrocities made by the albanian side, cause when everything is said and forgiven but not forgoten than we can start all over and work together, either as citizens of the same state or good neighbors, for the common prosperity.

Anonymous said...

I don't see any parallels with Georgia here..!?

Here are my anwsers: 1) As Jared says: there was no organized crimes from a democratically elected government but rather gangs taking revenge for the horrible crimes that Serbs had done since 1913. The undoing of the colonization program of Serbia was a noble cause and I fully support the actions of the guerrilla but nevertheless in no way did they represent the people like Milosevic did, in no way were they democratically elected like Milosevic was over and over, and in no way was their policy a plan of the academy of sciences and biggest intellectuals. The fact is that Serb state was and is rotten at its very heart and trying to equalize crimes won't do you any good, my friend.

Anonymous said...

Every week there is a new serb that tries to convince itself that the serbs are the victims.I am not going to bother to post anymore the detailed plans of Nacertania,or Cubrilovic's plan The Expulsion of the Albanians or the Sejsel's plan,everything has been posted in other blogs.If you Ziggy Miloshitevic cannot see the evil in 4 wars and 250,000 victims that serbia caused then the albanians should not forgive but vendicate.We should kill 10,000 serbs and deport 90% of your population.Only then you you might have some moral rights to bitch about it. Till then Serbs are in a worse position the the german nazis.

Mir said...

"were they democratically elected like Milosevic was over and over"

Everyone knows Milosevic cheated and sabotaged his opponent's campaigns to win many times. Thats how he won his first time.

Mir said...

"Till then Serbs are in a worse position the the german nazis."

Cant help but notice how much you try to justify the Nazi's by saying Serbians were worse. Old spirit rising up eh?

The Nazi's killed SIX MILLION JEWS ALONE IN DEATH CAMPS and their wars caused 60+ MILLION DEATHS. Thats NOT including the deaths they caused on the battlefield. How DARE you try to justify the NAZI's as being more 'moral' or 'nicer' than us? You are psychotic obviously.

Cvijus011 said...

"in no way were they democratically elected like Milosevic was over and over"

here you make an essential flaw: Milosevic was elected from the communist party as president of Serbia, not in direct elections from the people. During the '90s there where multi-party elections were Milosevic was elected, but haven't you heard about the electoral frauds that have been made? because of that there where mass demonstrations in Serbia throughout the entire decade (in '91 it required a military intervention in order to keep order in Belgrade). Many dictator regimes claim that they are democratic, but just in paper.

"horrible crimes that Serbs had done since 1913"

Any source please? Even these crimes occured, they don't justify the crimes that have been made by the albanian forces in the WWII and onwards. But here I notice that you albanians are not fully ready to admit the crimes that were done from your side, which brings us to a mentality of the 19th century. I for a difference can ADMIT AND EXPRESS MY SORROW (I wrote it with capital letters so you can read it clearly) for what Serbian individuals did to your nation.

"Every week there is a new serb that tries to convince itself that the serbs are the victims"

We don't try here to represent ourselves as victims, but since you all talk all the times about what did the evil Serbs done to you, refusing to see the other side of the coin, we try here to show it to you. Every story has two sides and in order to come to an objective conclusion you have to see what the other side saids. Here you talk all the time about your 10.000 victims, but you don't even bother considering the Serbian victims of the KLA, or even question the victims. Under such logics I can also question your victims, but in respect to them and driven by moral values I'm not doing that. Why are you than rejecting the Serbian victims?

"Nacertania,or Cubrilovic's plan The Expulsion of the Albanians or the Sejsel's plan"

Cubrilovic was a stalinist driven by a special philosophy inspired by Stalin (executions, conc. capms, etc) in dealing with some things. Hoxha belonged in the same group, so start concidering about him and the 50k Serbs from Skadar/Shkoder murdered or expelled. Seselj is an expression of frustration and narrowmindness which exists in every society all over the world, I'm sure you albanians have same people, e.g. the KLA terrorists.

"the evil in 4 wars and 250,000 victims that serbia caused then the albanians should not forgive but vendicate"

the 250.000 victims were the total victims of the war, which includes Serbs from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo-Metohija. Besides, reread history to see how these wars really started.

"Till then Serbs are in a worse position the the german nazis."

Wrong: we are in better position not only because of the proportions of the numbers, but also because of the aftermath, Germans weren't killed by the Allies etc. Serbs were killed by the KLA, which brings the KLA to the same group of aggressors as the Serbian police or nazi Germans. Besides, the others started to work together immediatelly with the Germans, whereas you just continue bitching and reject any singly cooperation with the Serbs, driven by you stereotypes and blind hate and that my friend is the way opposite of the EU.

arianit said...

Mir,

I see you're back (I'm still waiting for an answer to my earlier question).
Regarding the myth that Albanian non-voting and vote rigging had something to do with Milosevic's democratica election, that's just nonsense.

In the first free parliamentary elections of December 1990, Milošević's Socialist Party won 80.5% of the vote. The ethnic Albanians in Kosovo largely boycotted the election, effectively eliminating even what little opposition Milošević had. Milošević himself won the presidential election with even higher percentage of the vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Milosevic

Milosevic has never lost a democratic election, except the local elections of 1997 in some Serb municipalities. Even at the end, he was thrown undemocratically through the revolution. Serbs in Kosova were his biggest supporters; after the war the votes split more evenly between Seselj and Milosevic.

Anonymous said...

To Mir.
Don't try to give my words a spin.You are the psychotic one but since there are still people that think that the six million jews deserved to die there will be for sure serbs that think that the 10,000 albanians that died and the rest of them that were deported deserved all of it.Is it so hard for you to understand why are you worse then the nazis? WWII hapend 60 years ago,in this 60 years the hole world condemned the ethnic cleansing ,the concentration camps,the masive graves with the hope that the people will get more civilized and will never do such a terrible thing.But in the balkans there is a bloodthirsty nation called the serbian nation that will bring all the horror of the concentation camps,masive gaves,mass deportation,infanticide even after 60 years of WWII.Nothing will had stoped serbs of reaching the 6 million victims if the international comunity hadn't intervened in Bosnia and Kosova.
To cvijus
Don't write "I for a difference can ADMIT AND EXPRESS MY SORROW for what Serbian individuals did to your nation" because that is pure hipocrisy.There werent individuals it was a hole organized army and police force.That Individual is YOU,who are calling the KLA Terrorists while the whole war machine that cause 4 wars and 250,000 victims is just some individual for you.The number of serbian victims by the hand of the albanians is minuscule compared to the albanians killed by the serbian war machine.
50k Serbs from Skadar/Shkoder murdered or expelled.Even in the wildest dreams of a serb there have never been 50k serbs in Shkodra.But keep throwing your BS because you compatriots are going to believe it for sure.

whereas you just continue bitching and reject any singly cooperation with the Serbs, driven by you stereotypes and blind hate and that my friend is the way opposite of the EU.

Are you for real man? Do you even know that the serbs have boicoted all the institution in Kosova.You serbs should know very well the opposite way to EU.Your government has been warned many time to choose between Brusels or Belarus.

Prince of Albania said...

Well, Mir, Cvijus84 and Ivan, why the hell did Milosevic have such great attendance at his fascist rallies all over the country. I personally saw a meeting in Belgrade where over a million Serbs came out to hear him speak. If he did not enjoy your support what the hell were a million Serbs doing out in the streets that day?
Give me a break son! Every Serb had an orgasm every time this guy spoke. This is because all Serbs have a superiority complex, as people and as a nation. It is deeply rooted in your self centered religion and psyche. As such, when he spoke of the glory of Serbia and the Serbs and about the "birthplace" of your nation "Kosmet" and all that other self centered bullshit you Serbs are raised on, you fucking loved it. This is why Serbia is where it is today!!! Germans try to do the same thing you do by saying that the Nazis caused the Holocaust and ordinary Germans had nothing to do with it. The truth is they elected Hitler democratically, as you did with Milosevic. If it wasn’t for Milosevic someone else would have taken the task. You certainly had plenty to choose from.
The bottom line is this, we have Kosovo, it is ours, you have lost it and you will never get it back, ever! It's over!
It doesn't matter what happened during WWII or WWI or WW0, whatever. You have lost, we have won, deal with it!
Now please, stick to the subject and stop trying to hijack these posts. This report talks about a Georgian official trying to dispel any parallels that Kosovo would have with Abkhazia and South Ossetia. See he knows that Kosovo will be independent and so he wants to preempt any idea that these regions in Georgia might use the Kosovo precedent to achieve their political goals.

PS: Serbs were responsible for starting WWI where over 15 Million people died, of which 7 million were civilians.

Kristian said...

To: All writers


Interesting comments.

One group saying the other did this and the other did that.

Both did many things and that is a fact. Now the question is who did more(the majority) of those things?

By mere populations statistics as mentioned by Ivan and Cv.. ""there were always more serbs then Albanians in Kosovo/a"" (not verifiable and its questionable).

Just taking the stats above given by our friends here that means there is no way that the albanians during the Balkan wars (prior to Ziggy's reference point) and afterwards could albanians have committed more crimes (killings, murder, expulsions, etc) then the serbs because albanians were a minority in Kosovo/a. THE OTHER REASON BEING, ALBANIANS NEVER HAD THE MILITARY MIGHT AS THE SERBS DID. (rifles againsT canons and automatic weapons hardly seems a fair fight, unless serbs had created an image of albanians as savages and that scared the serb military men... psychology is the art of war).


And during the balkan wars I believe the serb ARMY, not any individual mind you, invaded most of Albania at the time, forget about kosovo/a it was completely invaded. Remembering that the villayet of Kosovo/a didn't belong to serbia a few years before the Balkan wars started.

From the balkan wars onwards we have to see numerically which race killed, prosecuted, oppressed, etc more of the other race. Statistically by population numbers and military might serbs would win by a large margin. Its the fact of sheer numbers.

If what the serbs claim to be true, again if, its a miracle that the albanians committed more atrocities then the serbs. And I don't use the word miracle as a revelation. A ppl that had barely any military might, any political influence. (even those appointed during the Communist era as pointed by cv.. and Ivan). Its hard to believe the albanians could of caused such distruction to serbs bc the serbs could of crushed them at anytime (balkan wars, ww1 and after wwII).

Until the Italians invaded albania and the nazi's themselves WITH THEIR OWN AGENDA'S (which was not the agenda of the albanian majority) could they overcome serbian military might during wwII!

Era of the balkan wars and afterwards the majority of albanians were peasants and so were the serbs. How can peasants fight an army of Serbian MIGHT! Each peasant must of had nine lives I guess.



To: Cv...

...But racism isn't only to hate one nation, but also to generalize things about a nation.....

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU GENERALIZED THINGS ABOUT ALBANIANS? Be honest here! (ex. generalizing all albanians being terrorist) And I know a loT albanians do the same, as I have done on several postings.


....Many dictator regimes claim that they are democratic, but just in paper.....


Cv.. how much has the govt. of S&M changed since Milosevic? I mean lieterally changed. Have all the ppl in govt. changed? Have all laws changed (constitution, etc)? How much new (young) blood has entered the govt since milosevic? (ex. the major of Belgrade was shot by serbs who had democratic ideologies). The serb govt is still socialist communistic and moving towards democracy. The majority of values(psychology) are still set on communistic principles. Its not there yet but at least its moving forward towards democracy with every new generation and voter.


....I for a difference can ADMIT AND EXPRESS MY SORROW (I wrote it with capital letters so you can read it clearly) for what Serbian individuals did to your nation.....


I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED KOSOVO/A AS A NATION. YOU FINALLY ACCEPTED IT! GOOD FOR YOU!

Definition of a nation:
A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.

.....Serbs were killed by the KLA, which brings the KLA to the same group of aggressors as the Serbian police .....

In war, there is your side against the other side. Tell me how many serbs died after the war? Please references or sources. Once Nato entered I believe there were few killings committed on both sides. But the grave sites in serbia seem to be popping up why is that???

WE CAN ALL GRIPE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, THE FACT IS ITS IN THE PAST AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD!

PEACE TO TALL!

Republic_of_Kosova said...

"Hoxha belonged in the same group, so start concidering about him and the 50k Serbs from Skadar/Shkoder murdered or expelled."

HAHAHA, serbiana or b92 has educated you very well. If 50k lived in Shkodër 10-15 years ago, in real life they would ask from EU or UN for their rightful land. So out of 50,000 not even 1 person out of bellgrade waves his land property to anyone. It's amazing how facts just seem to be APPEARING from serbian news agencies I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson sued one of these agencies, send em to the highest court in europe.

If you are sure that they lived in albania, i would like to see their albanian passport, documents that they had land, pictures of their house+city. Also some links to international observers who compliment this idea, somewhere that they can prove that 50,000 serbs ever were in Shkodër. I don't think there were 50k serbian tourists in Shkodër/Shkodra PERIOD.

ivan said...

Hey Albos,

if you are so innocent, then why have 3000 Serbs been killed after the 1999? Or why have more than 150 churches been burnt? Or why were Serbian children killed? Or why were old people killed? Answer me please albos, since you are the most innocent nation in the world.

If Serbia as a country really wanted to get rid of you, those 3- 4 months of NATO campaign was a long enough period to systematically kill more than one million of you albos. You should be grateful to us, because we had you then at mercy, and we spared your lives. Dont forget it was your "courageous" KLA terrorists that hid in albania during those nato campaign months. So be grateful and stop bitching.

Talking about sytematic expulsion, then why were all the Serbian houses marked when the March 2004 ethnic clesnign occured? Talking about individuals, it was civilians that attacked old serbian people. Then you tell me that we are psychos.

Anyway best of luck. I really hope Serbia gets rid of you, but I want to protect the remaining brave Serbian population in Kosovo & Metohija and the Serbian Orthodox churches. So if you give that to us, Serbia will forever shut its doors to you and we will never see each other, even when you need supplies for electricity :)

Republic_of_Kosova said...

WELL well well, hello hitler!! Is someone feeling power or what?? Ivan why don't you make yourself useful and shut the f up.

"3000 Serbs been killed after the 1999?"

No sources i'm guessing. 3000? Please where are you coming up with these numbers, you pulling em outta your ass?

Talking about churches, wtf. You people used their fire torches to burn our homes and mosques you fucking terrorists. Repair 200k homes God knows how many shops and then you can all go back to the Ural MTS.

I always wanted to know who the next Shesheli might be, I guess his name is ivan.

armera said...

I don't know about you guys, but I would completely ignore anyone that talks about things that have nothing to do with reality. I think we all know what happened in Kosovë for the last 100 years; the more you argue with them the more important they feel. We should rather focus our energy in building a better country and setting an example for the rest of the region.

For Serbs it will take another decade or two to understand what they have done, and what position they have brought themselves to. It is obvious that even after burning most of Kosova (I have seen it myself) and killing barbarically more then 10 000 people mostly children and elderly (I have collected evidence myself) they are the ones that are full of hatred towards us.

I appeal to my Albanian compatriots to refuse to go to their level and use the language of hate; believe me they have more experience operating on that level then we do, and they will manage to beat us. Soon even some of these neighbors of ours will realize that they were part of the biggest scam in Balkans history and that is the myth their fuehrer created about Kosovo.

Let them be, it is them that have a problem not us. We have smarter things to use our energy for, and that is the future of our independent country of Kosova. That is the level you want to compete, not empty words.

Peace out!

Republic_of_Kosova said...

Armera I agree with you, all of these people just talk because they believe they are right. No one can tell me that we are terrorists, or it was our fault. Watching beatings, rapes, massacres is a very disturbing life. Cv or Ig can say all they want but they have never experienced what we have felt by their soldiers. Cv you can talk all you want from Sweeden or Austria (wherever you live) but you will know the truth that you think you know. You are very lucky. Thank god no more police, no more soldiers, and no more blood. I really hope besa besa becomes the anthem as all soldiers of the Uçk's sang it till they were put down.
May my children be born not praying everynight that the serbs kill him tomorrow.

God Bless Republic of Kosova and all its people!

Mir said...

Anonymous, what you are doing is nothing short of complete lack of respect for what the Jewish people went through in World War 2. If you honestly think you can compare the Kosovo situation to 6 million innocent Jews (former patriotic Germans for the most part) dying because of racism and hatered and the Nazi ideology... than I can say nothing more than that there is a nice propaganda machine down there in Kosovo obviously.

ivan said...

"No sources i'm guessing. 3000? Please where are you coming up with these numbers, you pulling em outta your ass?"

Republic of Kosovo, I hope that next time you pray you will praise God to forgive you for your ignorance. How dare you laugh at our victims. What am I supposed to say aboutt he 10 thousand vicitims from your side? Show me the sources? No I dont ,because I respect the dead and the ones that have suffered.

You keep on turning the whole situation around. I am just saying that if we really wanted to ethnicly clense you, it would have been done. But we didnt and I do not approve any ethnic clesning.

But your culture "besa"calls for that. Sorry we are more civilized than you and we take care of "besa" through legal actions, not killing innocent chidren, old people, burn churhces and kill people while they are going to pray.

Just to remind you, more than 75% of your future country is surrounded by Serbia. you better start fixing your attitude so your country might have a chance of surviving. LEt me remind you if Serbia imposes an embargo to your fututre state, and if Macedonia and Montengro support us, the only way you can communicate to Europe is through Albania. But given the infrastructure of Albania, I doubt any truck could pass.

Anyway I wish you best of luck and I hope that your people learn what the meaning of the word respect means.

armera said...

Ivan,

Thanks for leting us know who you truly are. I on the other hand think that times of embargos and communist style politics in the region are gone forever.

No matter what you think about me I will try and keep my soul clean. I can let you have the dark side of the story.

Guys I don’t know about you, but I am planing to be in Prishtina during August to celebrate the independence of Dardania. That will be the happiest day of my life, once I see the dream of our parents and grand parents come to reality even if I die the next day it really doesn’t matter 

Cvijus011 said...

here are the results of albanian heroism, albos enjoy it and be proud of it:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/ovk2-novosti.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/foto-arhiva.html&h=350&w=500&sz=33&tbnid=Hzvtlxicop9LrM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=127&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAlbanski%2Bzlocini%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

talking about heroes

Anonymous said...

Cvijus
"here are the results of albanian heroism, albos enjoy it and be proud of it:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/ovk2-novosti.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/foto-arhiva.html&h=350&w=500&sz=33&tbnid=Hzvtlxicop9LrM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=127&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAlbanski%2Bzlocini%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

talking about heroes"

My only comment to this is that this only shows how immoral psychotic nation you are, who would do anything, anything to achive your sickening, inhuman ruthless ideas.

You are one of a kind for one thing: Killing and brutalizing your own people including your own kids and than blame someone else for it just to prove your point.
Sickening and inhuman like I said.
This is what you monsters belive in:
"Vise puta ponovljena laz postaje istina"
Go and play these games somewhere else you sick idiot

Albani

Anonymous said...

Could someone please asist me in one question, what is the difference between milosevic (serb)actions during the 90s and hitler (german) actions during ww2??

dont get all heated now..I see alot of stupid things in this page..dont contribute to more..answer sincerely with clearly stated arguments..

/With respect
James Macnillan

Cvijus011 said...

tell me albani,

" Killing and brutalizing your own people including your own kids and than blame someone else for it just to prove your point."

check these pictures:

http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/ovk-novosti.jpg

http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/ovk-novosti.jpg

are those masked Serbs playing around with the heads of those poor people or maybe UCK hereos, freedom fighters, blablabla.

On their shoulders are those the ensignias of the Serbian army or maybe of the UCK?

It sickens you that I bring up these pictures? Doesn't it sicken when your countymen use these 10k to enforce their arguments?

"how immoral psychotic nation you are"

And is your nation moral for cutting heads of civilians, just like the other mujahedins? Very heroic deeds.

Let me tell you something, it's even sicker to deny a crime that happen and more sicker not to admit the crimes you people did after seeing this pictures. Therefore, you my friend are not more worth that a coackroach I squashed accidentaly walking down the street.

Anonymous said...

Cvijus,

Those pictures are doctored and have been circulating around extremist Serb websites for years now. I think it all started with a Serb newspaper in Nis. Nothing new, just taking the preconceptions of mujahideen, some Photoshop skills, and applying it to Kosova.
If there was any truth in the story, you would expect Hague on be on its tracks by know, don't you?

Anonymous said...

MacNillan,

Let's leave Jews, Hitler, Holocaust, etc. out of this issue just to respect WWII victims and also to respect ours. The fact that not as many Albanians died as Jews is not a cause for celebration but for sorrow for making just such a comparison.

Theoretically the methods and procedures of Serbs and Milosevic and Hitler and Germany were the same (except the scale): victimization of oneself, "world is against us", "we've been suffering for ages", and our neighbhors are at fault and must pay for this. Denial among Serbs is stronger than in Germany but that may change with decades. The call for a renewal of the gloried past, the hysteria and democratic election that led to both leaders is very similar, also.
I think Serbs were a little bit more shameful of the acts, especially in Kosova due to world media following, something that was scarce in WWII and in previous Albanian-Serb conflicts. That's why Srebrenica was not repeated in Kosova; although this does not assure us that that regime (whatever you want to include in it) did not have the capacity for industrial-level barbarity. In future Albanian-Serbian dialogue, both sides must work from the pespective that with Operation Horseshoe (that was applied from March 1999) the Albanian character of Kosova was going to be changed in a way as to raise the least public outcry. Should we be happy that the plan wasn't finished? Not really, because the danger is there and that under the right geopolitical conditions an even more horrible plan will be resurrected.

So, I say, leave dead jews pray in peace and treat Serb state with outmost suspicion until you have the military backing to counteract any threat.

Mir said...

The Kosovo situation is NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like WW2. Stop trying to make people feel sorry for you and trying to romantacize history. WW2 is something that has not and probably will not ever be repeated on the scale that it was.

Germany wanted the WORLD. We want what was once ours. Anyone that uses WW2 on any scale to compare what happened in Kosovo, has an invalid statement. WW2 is not a word that is to be just thrown around like a tool. WW2 was a war that cost 60,000,000 lives worldwide. I dont know how many of you have seen a corpse, but picture it mentally and then multiply it by 60 million. 6 million of which were Jews that were CIVILIANS and loyal to Germany.

Kosovo was NOTHING like World War 2 and it never will be no matter how much you try to convince the rest of the world.

ivan said...

Albos,

I guess denial is you biggest weapon. When I saw those pictures i nearly threw up. And you know whats the irony of the whole thing, they were your UCK soldiers. Yes your heroes.I know truth hurts, and the only reaction your brainwashed heads can have is, it was Serbs dressed in UCK uniforms. Or another one had a better excuse, Serbs made these pictures digitally.

Let me just remind you that you are building statues on the ashes of the church to these monsters.

We Serbs we do not denie that crimes have occured by our copatriots, but nowhere will you see statues to Milosevic, Seselj or Arkan. And we have courage and manhood to look at the crimes and say yes we are guilty.

But you, you are cowards just like your UCK monsters, you masacre civilians, play with their dead heads, and then run away. Hit and hide.

The road to the EU is long. We are ahead of you ( at least we have electricity and we do not freeze our minorities). You dont even have a state yet. Believe me, when we get to EU , Serbia will play the same role Greece plays in case of Turkey.

Arianti, as for the embargos, your statement just proves how illeterate and ill infromed you are. Let me remind you the 100 of thousand of Iraqi children that died only because US imposed a total embargo on them. What about the embargo to Cuba and North Korea. My friend, you need to wake up and smell the reality.

fauna said...

jesus, these guys are really f*cked up!

just to say something to serbs: if you want better relations with your neighbors, it's going to have to start with you

you guys obviously or not on the same page as the rest of the people who live in the Balkans

Let me remind you that you're the losers here -- well, i'm sure i don't have to remind you that, but you have to realize that (plus many other things) and swallow it. Those KLA terrorists you're talking about are people the West supported, people they have worked with and just because they are TERRORISTS, the West is giving Kosova to them. How do you explain that? A bunch of terrorists ruling a new country in Europe? Man, what a nightmare

heh

you guys need rehab, serious psychological rehab. You need to get over some things... the healing process will surely take time

it will be a long time until we're friends again, but again, it will have to start with you.

fauna said...

ivan,
"We Serbs we do not denie that crimes have occured by our copatriots, but nowhere will you see statues to Milosevic, Seselj or Arkan. And we have courage and manhood to look at the crimes and say yes we are guilty.

But you, you are cowards just like your UCK monsters, you masacre civilians, play with their dead heads, and then run away. Hit and hide."

Let me remind you that you have fugitives that are most likely hiding in Serbia that are indicted for war crimes, and are amongst the most wanted war criminals since the Nazis.

Albanian TERRORISTS on the other hand when they were indicted, they hopped on the plane, went to the Hague and were released, as the case with Limaj. Now the former prime minister is there. And he's not a pussy like your heroes.

Who's running away?
Say that again?
I'm sorry to say, but you're a bunch of b*tches!

Let me just repeat what I said in the last post. If you want any kind of friendship in the future, it will have to start with you my friends. Stop fooling yourselves.

Prince of Albania said...

These posts have completely been hijacked by the Serbs posting on here and their agenda.
I for one have fallen in their trap as have all of us.
Please, for future reference, let's show maturity and refrain from responding to any posts that do not pretain directly to the article at hand.
That's why this section is titled "comments" so we can comment on the articles.
Best Regards, Prince of Albania.

Cvijus011 said...

dear albos,

we are dealing with the mistakes we have done and you can see it from the previous posts of me and ivan, but in that war nobody was a saint or innocent, so here's some more material for you to deal with:

http://www.truthinmedia.org/truthinmedia/Kosovo/Peace/PhotoAlbum/peace-1.html

(take a close look at the baby)

Are these pics also remastered? Those who deny the crimes are those cooperating in a crime. Remember that.

As you can see from me, ivan and mir, Serbs are ready to make peace with the albos and work together for the common prosperity, but you continue bitching about everything. For a proper cooperation, the partners need to have mutual respect, but you albos come to us as if you're the superior one giving us orders. That's rather fascistic don't you think? French and the Brits treated the Germans with respect after the war and that gives even more respect to the allied victory, but you people just make things worse, and that is the opposite way to the EU.

dave said...

I have seldom been so horrified by another human being, and certainly never so much so via a medium such as the internet. The inability of the Serb posters here to realize the true ratio of what happened during the Balkan wars (i.e. their respective responsibility), and then to post REPEATEDLY pictures of war victims for everyone to see is one of the most barbaric and uncivilized acts i have ever experienced in a public forum.

Sure, there were and always are TERRIBLE deaths that occur during war. As Chris Hedges very clearly pointed out, "the rush of battle is a potent and often lethal addiction, for war is a drug" that enables otherwise ordinary humans to perform unthinkable acts in an effort de-humanize their opponent. HOWEVER, reproducing these images online to support an argument from the position of aggressor is a new low that I have never before experienced in human interaction.

The stories I have heard from the Balkan wars are terrifying. Fortunately for Kosovars, the war ended at a point LONG before it could reach the destructive level seen in Bosnia (particularly Sarajevo), however there are numerous stories pre-dating NATO's intervention that are riddled with experiences of people in Kosovo fearing for their lives at the hands of the local police force. For those that can read German, I urge you to examine this essay written by the Swiss Dr. Robert Elise http://www.elsie.de/pub/pdf_articles/A1992LetzterKellner.pdf

Albanians seem to be aware of the horror of war, including the acts committed by their own soldiers, however these acts were that of self-defense and retribution. Although not necessarily justifiable, they certainly are understandable in the grand scheme of things. Furthermore, legal proceedings are underway, prosecuting those that are responsible for acting outside of the rules of war. And the Albanians have not opposed this process yet.

I am still awaiting a response from ivan regarding my recent experience in Prishtina whereby my Albanian colleges stopped on the street to exchange hugs, handshakes and a friendly 15 minute conversation with Serbs who they hadn't seen since before the war ALL THE WHILE in the Serbian language?? There were no attacks or even strange looks from the people passing by on this busy street. I am suggesting that the Serbs visiting this forum try accepting the fact that 6 years have passed since the brutal conditions which existed in Kosovo. This is a new place and the REALITY of the moment is that Kosovo is moving towards independence. Arguing about the past, particularly from the unflattering position of the aggressor, does nothing to help the current situation. And i also never got a response when i pointed out the facts regarding the distribution of electricity in Kosovo.

come on guys, live and let live.

ivan said...

Dave,

" The inability of the Serb posters here to realize the true ratio of what happened during the Balkan wars (i.e. their respective responsibility), and then to post REPEATEDLY pictures of war victims for everyone to see is one of the most barbaric and uncivilized acts i have ever experienced in a public forum."

Whats more barbaric, to show you what you have done or to actually build statues to the terrorists that comitted these crimes on the ashes of a burnt church?

Why is it barbaric what Cvijus is showing you? is it because it turns your stomach upside down? Well let me tell you, its your heroes that did this, the ones you are so proud of. IS it barbaric from Cvijus that now he has hit your core values?

"Albanians seem to be aware of the horror of war, including the acts committed by their own soldiers, however these acts were that of self-defense and retribution. Although not necessarily justifiable, they certainly are understandable in the grand scheme of things"

I guess self defense consists of killing babies, because in about 17 years of time they will be capable of fighting. So better murder them now while they are defensless. Is this your understandable grand scheme?

Dave, I am glad that about the scene you described in Pristina. But this is supposed to be a normal thing, not something super natural that you should be proud of. But you have to condemn the terrorists that comitted those terrifying crimes. Just by giving the Serbs right to speak Serbian in the middle of Pristina without being shot at isnt sufficient.

"The stories I have heard from the Balkan wars are terrifying. Fortunately for Kosovars, the war ended at a point LONG before it could reach the destructive level seen in Bosnia"

Nobody I guess is capable answering me this very simpel question. IF Serbian government wanted to execute all of the albanians, if this was the grand goal of Serbia and Serbs themselves, how come in those months of NATO campaign we did not celnse all of the albanians? Your KLA heroes were hiding in albania, there was nobody to stop clensing. But in the end 10 thousand people died, from which majority were KLA fighters ( let me remind you of the setup of a civilian masacre in Racak). Please answer me then, why didnt we just clense you then, we had nothing to lose. And please dont turn the story around how i am a fascist. I am just aksing you a simple question, and I expect a simple answer.

As for the electricity , it took you 6 years to realize that serbs were not paying for the bills, and you decided to switch the electricity when they needed it the most. You live in the states, and you should know that before they switch your electricity off, you get at least three warnings. Serbian government reacted offering 50 milion kilowats ( which is more than enough to cover the serbian provinces in KiM)on a monthly basis , but you rejected that. Now tell me what is your goal? why did you reject that? Is this how you will take care of your most voulnerable future citizens? And another question, how do you expect these people to pay for the bills when you dont give them freedom of movement?

As I said 100 times by now in these blogs, if albanians treated Serbs and Serbian Orthodox Church fairly in KiM you would have been an independent coutnry long time ago, and now we mioght have been talking like good neighbours. But you disrespect Serbs and their victims (read your copatriots posts) and thats why Serbia as a caring country cannot allow their people in the mercy of so called "besa".

ivan said...

For those that can read Serbian here is some more news for you ( so much for the multicultural society in Kosovo & Metohija) :

Grupa Albanaca napala je sinoć u Suvom Dolu, nadomak Kosovske Mitrovice, dvojicu Srba nanevši im telesne povrede. Incident se dogodio oko 20 časova u srpskom delu sela, kada su lokalni Albanci palicama napali Nebojšu Kragovića i Mirka Jeftića. Slučaj je prijavljen Kosovskoj policijskoj službi i danskom Kforu, koji su na licu mesta izvršili uviđaj. U Suvom Dolu, na tri kilometra od Kosovske Mitrovice, u potpunom albanskom okruženju, živi 40 srpskih domaćinstava.
ZAPALJENA SRPSKA KUĆA U CERNICI KOD GNJILANA

Kuća Trajana Savića u selu Cernica, kod Gnjilana, izgorela je u požaru podmetnutom u noći između subote i nedelje. U kući u trenutku požara nije bilo nikoga od šestočlane porodice Savić. To je 45. kuća Srba zapaljena u Cernici od juna 1999. godine i ulaska Kfora na Kosovo.

To je drugi napad na preostale 42 srpske porodice u Cernici u poslednjih deset dana.

U dvorište porodične kuće potpredsednika Koordinacionog centra za Kosovo Milorada Todorovića, na nekoliko desetina metara od kuće Trajana Savića, 25. januara bačena je ručna bomba. U eksploziji niko nije povređen. Načinjena je materijalna šteta.

U dosadašnjim incidentima u Cernici u poslednjih šest i po godina ubijeno je 12 Srba. Ni za jedno od tih ubistava u Cernici nije pronađen krivac, niti je iko okrivljen za više od 200 napada. U Cernici živi nešto više od 200 Srba i oko 3.000 Albanaca.

TADIĆ TRAŽI OD KFOR-A BEZBEDNOST ZA SRBE

Predsednik Srbije Boris Tadić zatražio je od Kfora da osigura bezbednost za Srbe iz Cernice kod Gnjilana, koji su u poslednje vreme sve češće na meti napada albanskih ekstremista.

„Predsednik Tadić zahteva od političkih lidera kosmetskih Albanaca da osude ove napade i da se založe da se Srbima koji u Cernici iovako žive izolovano, u neljudskim uslovima, u getu i stalnom strahu za svoje živote, obezbedi sigurnost”, saopštila je Pres služba kabineta.

„Zahtevam od međunarodnih institucija da pronađu počinioce i privedu ih pravdi. Podsećam da je u Cernici u poslednje dve i po godine ubijeno 12 Srba i bilo više od 200 napada, a da krivci do sada nisu pronađeni”, ukazao je Tadić. „Ovakvi napadi ne doprinose stabilizaciji bezbednosnih prilika na KiM i unose dodatni nemir kod Srba i ostalog nealbanskog stanovništva pred pregovore o budućem statusu Kosova i Metohije”, navodi se u saopštenju. (RTS)

dave said...

ivan, as I stated in our last discussion, I'm an American. I'm not sure why you continue to attack me in the second person "you did this", etc... If you assume that I am Albanian because of my observations, than you are wrong. And I can almost assume that your next thought is that I am just another American brainwashed by the Albanian-lobby's propaganda and that of the NATO coalition, but you would be wrong. (sorry for making assumptions on your behalf). I've been to Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosovo and currently live in Austria. When I talk about political situations and war, it is my single most important principle not to generalize an entire people. However, my country voted for George Bush and I didn't. Although I don't support his politics, I do realize that his actions are a result of the votes cast by a majority of my fellow countrymen. It hurts, but I accept that.

I do indeed respect your attempt to view the situation objectively as I have seen in your previous posts, however you have to remember that Kosovo exists in a state of international scrutiny and observation, possibly more so than any other land in the world. It will not be easy to bring new ideas here that haven't already been examined by international organizations (i.e. the massacre of racak). Why did the Serbian military deny entrance to war crimes investigators if it was a coverup? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/257728.stm

The simple fact that the Serbian government did not execute all of the Albanians does not proove their (the democratically elected gvt of Serbia's) innocence. The simple answer to your question is that the Serbian military machine was limited due to strategic air strikes (often called in by KLA officers who were on the ground in Kosovo, not hiding in the woods of Albania - unless you consider Kosovo to be Albania?).

"As for the electricity , it took you 6 years to realize that serbs were not paying for the bills, and you decided to switch the electricity when they needed it the most."
Again, wrong. KEK and UNMIK have been trying for six years to make everybody pay their electric bills. This was initially difficult because of stories of corruption among the ranks of the KEK management (UN included). However, with time most residents of Kosovo have realized that paying their electric bill is a clever way to improve their electric service. Most Albanians hardly have the money to pay these bills, yet many are trying. As a result, the districts that pay have been rated in a 3-point system. The fact of the matter, as I stated before, is that most of Southeastern Europe is in an energy crisis in this bitter winter. KEK is not going to provide extra power to regions that never pay, when they barely have enough capacity to provide those regions that do pay (category A has been experiencing daily power cuts, which should never happen). Again, this has ZERO to do with ethnicity.


"how do you expect these people to pay for the bills when you dont give them freedom of movement?"
This would all change if the Serb minority in Kosovo would begin to participate in Kosovar institutions instead of playing marionette for Belgrade. Ask any international administrator or objective observer about that situation. The Kosovar government has made enormous efforts to bridge the gap and include the Serb minority. Overtaxing Prishtina for electrical imports and using that as an excuse to increase your involvement in a lost province does not represent the spirit of aid or the ability to move forward. My example of Serbs and Albanians sharing memories and a few laughs on the streets of Prishtina is representative of a much larger picture: Serbs do have the opportunity of movement in Kosovo. Although there is the minor risk of being attacked (more so in the villages, i understand that - not much different than risks that exist for Albanians traveling through Northern Mitrovica however), consider the fact that the Serbs have showed ZERO signs of reconciliation since the war. Imagine how much their situation would improve if they did do that, AND participate in the Kosovar institutions? Eventual normalcy would seem almost inevitable.

Regarding your obsession with gruesome killing, let's not be reminded of the tactics used by some of the Serbian military (i.e. shooting fetuses while they are still in the womb?). Again, unfathomable things do happen in times of war. Someone who is on the ground, getting shot at and in the business of killing, exists in an entirely different mentality altogether. It's a sickening result of instict, adrenaline and survival, which is more pronounced in some soldiers than others. Judging one side or the other based on brutal acts committed during times of war is about as useful as throwing water on burning oil. If judging the other side is a necessity of yours, then try looking at the frequency of such (documented) acts being committed. I would like to hear your reasoning about why Serbia was at war with Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, and almost Macedonia?

Now, as I mentioned earlier, would it be at all possible for you to one day consider that Kosovo is a new place, perhaps even with a bright future? Just think about the free trade and the freedom of movement between nations that could exist in 15 years after EU membership comes to the whole Balkans region. I would love to travel from Vienna to Belgrade to Prishtina to Brezovica to Skopje to Vlora, without getting my passport stamped 10 times and wondering what languages I am or am not allowed to speak along the way.

Cvijus011 said...

here's the english version:

Two Serbs assaulted in Kosovo | 13:21 February 07 | Beta
KOSOVSKA MITROVICA -- Tuesday – A group of Albanians attacked two Serbs in the village of Suvi Do, near Kosovska Mitrovica.

The Kosovo police confirmed the attack, but did not release the identities of the two victims or the attackers, adding that an investigation is ongoing. According to Serbian sources, two 19 year-olds, Nebojsa Kragovic and Mirko Jeftic, were attacked and one of the men is still in the hospital receiving treatment.

The police have arrested one of the seven attackers and are trying to identify the remaining six suspects.

Anonymous said...

Ivan,Cvijus, Mir and your barabaric nation:

"Why is it barbaric what Cvijus is showing you? is it because it turns your stomach upside down? Well let me tell you, its your heroes that did this, the ones you are so proud of. IS it barbaric from Cvijus that now he has hit your core values?"

Difference between us and you and your barbaric nation:

Don’t you think we are aware of massacres that your people carried out and I’m not just talking about Kosovo, you know this anyway coz you are the ones who carried out the massacres therefore I’m sure you guys have tones of those pictures and videos that you are taking pride off by showing them here.

You are scratching a wound that hasn’t evens started to heal and I’m sure yet again you are doing it on purpose and taking pride of it, its in your blood it has always been and it will always be therefore we will live and grow strong and never forget that next door we have a nation the brutalized and massacred our people for centuries something that the whole world has witnessed and you my friend you gonna live with the fact that you belong to one of the most barbaric nation that history has seen it will hurt and haunt you till you seize to exist

Albani

ivan said...

Dave,

please read the post Albani posted. This proves my point that the Albanian people are narrow minded, they cant deal with the facts that their cowardly "heroes" comitted those barbaric deeds.

They feed themselves with hate, and as long as they enjoy this hate, no Serbian will ever safely live in that future state( however you want to call it). People like Albani will kill those innocent children or take advanatge of the weaknesses of old helpless serbian people.


Again so much for your dream of travelling through balkans without fears. I have the same dream, but unforitnately as long as people like the above poster exists, that dream will never come true.

ivan said...

Dave,

"The fact of the matter, as I stated before, is that most of Southeastern Europe is in an energy crisis in this bitter winter. KEK is not going to provide extra power to regions that never pay, when they barely have enough capacity to provide those regions that do pay (category A has been experiencing daily power cuts, which should never happen). Again, this has ZERO to do with ethnicity."

So why did KEK reject the offer from the Serbian elektroprivreda to supply KiM with 50 milion kilowatts every month in order to supply electricity to the regions where serbs are inhabited and there is no electricity?

IT would rather let these people freeze to death, and allow hospitals not to work, than to recieve help from Serbia. Is this politics or what?

Anonymous said...

Homie,

Since when does Albani represent the Albanian people?

Serbia offering electiricity is not that simple. What they are offering is to let Elktroprivreda Serbije manage the situation. In other words, KEK should cede operations of its network where Serb lives to Serbia.
My friend, you probably have shit for your brains otherwise you would notice that Serbia is using freezing of Serb hostpitals and schools to get back in Kosova - K-Serbs are pawns of Belgrade it's that simple. Thank's God it's the Germans and the British in KEK that are making the decisions and not Albanians because you would make me feel guilty.

ivan said...

"My friend, you probably have shit for your brains otherwise you would notice that Serbia is using freezing of Serb hostpitals and schools to get back in Kosova - K-Serbs are pawns of Belgrade it's that simple. "

Thanks for asnwering my question. First it took you six years to realize that Serbs were not paying. Then you chose the worst moment to cut their electricity having the 6 years as an excuse. You also put an excuse that you are unable to support them with electricity. Now Serbia comes with another solution, giving you the elctricity for those Serbian enclaves. And your reply is , Serbia is attacking Kosovo, and we should allow these people to freeze to death, rather to allow Serbia to help these people since you are uncapable of doing so.

I like the way you plan to take care your future citizens. By the way how are they supposed to pay for electricity when they have no freedom of movement. Daves answer is that if they participate in albanian instituions they will be able to move around. But that is only a possible long run solution. How are they supposed to participate when they freeze to death? How does that solve their discrimination?

Anonymous said...

Ivane,

It wasn't Albanians that took the decision. Please contact KEK to see who manages it.