Saturday, February 11, 2006

Kosovo's New President: Independence Non-negotiable

PRISTINA (AP)--Kosovo's newly elected president said Friday that the ethnic Albanian demand for independence from Serbia remains non-negotiable.

Fatmir Sejdiu was elected by Parliament to fill the post left by the death of pro-independence leader Ibrahim Rugova last month and paves the way for the start of U.N.-mediated talks on Kosovo's future status.

Sejdiu, 54, said assuming the post at this delicate time is a "heavy burden and responsibility," as Kosovo leaders prepare to negotiate with Serbia's officials over the future of the disputed region later this month.

Sejdiu, the province's second president since the 1999 war, holds positions on Kosovo's status that are nearly identical with those of his predecessor, who dominated the province's politics for 16 years and epitomized ethnic Albanians' quest for Kosovo's independence from Serbia. Rugova died of lung cancer on Jan. 21.

Kosovo has been run by the U.N. since NATO launched a bombing campaign to end a Serb crackdown on independence-minded ethnic Albanian rebels in 1999.

The presidential post is largely ceremonial, but it has gained importance because the president heads the team that will negotiate in U.N.-mediated talks with Serb officials.

69 comments:

Anonymous said...

I hope that all the albanians out there are aware that if Kosovo gets independance that kostunica and tadic will announce the occupation of Kosovo
by the way its spelled Kosovo not Kosova

Anonymous said...

i hope that all the albanians know that if kosovo is pronounced independent that kostunica and tadic will proclain the occupation of Kosovo
have fun!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Bring it on!

Anonymous said...

It's pronounce KOSOVA. Let him declare anything. Greece didn't want Macedonia as just Macedonia, so what as soon as America said YES everyone followed. Kostunica can cry all he wants, he has no control of Kosova and never will. BTW - Kiss Montenegro GoodBYE!!

PS
Don't forgett Greece is in the UN, it all comes down to who has the dic* and is DICKtating.

Dardania 2006 said...

War criminals and states who commit attrocities, attempt genocide and undertake ethnic cleansing have no right, moral or legal, to deny the party they have commited all these crimes upon, the right to self-determination and justice.

Serbia must prepare for the following:

Kosovar state, democratic and free.

Monetary compensation for crimes, destruction, and legal costs regarding negotiations.

arianit said...

Serb bishop Artemije draws upon religious passion and east-west divide in the US by saying that Independence for Kosova means victory for Jihadis. Cheap shots are certainly a good way to put things into perspectice for Americans. ...and contribute to coexistence with Albanians in Kosova.

Keep working hard for God, bishop!

Enjoy ;)

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1139736966317510.xml&coll=2

fauna said...

amazing

Kristian said...

Yeah I read that article about the bishop.

I really don't think he's working for god and the church should review his file for molestations or something. Wouldn't be surprised if something did come up.

Creating a hysteria of fear among religious americans will not be beneficial bc western christians have a dislike to the orthodox church in general. They don't like greeks or the orthodox church. Americans simply mistrust them.

Using religion to incite more hatred, unbelievable. Did he watch the news lately about the cartoons??

ivan said...

hey siptari,

here something to cheer you up:

Contact Group's Key Stance - Compromise

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BRUSSELS, Feb. 13, 2006 (Beta) - The Contact Group's key and unanimous stance is that the solution to Kosovo must be the product of a dialogue between Pristina and Belgrade according to the principles laid down by the Contact Group. The solution must be a compromise that will bring stability to the province and region, the senior diplomats of a Contact Group member-state told BETA in Brussels.

In a joint analysis of the situation in the province and the proposals for solving the province's status, the Contact Group said that U.N. Security Council Resolution 1244 was the foundation for resolving the Kosovo problem and that the U.N. Security Council would play a leading role in the process.

The Contact Group placed strong emphasis on dialogue, compromise and concessions from both sides.

Not one of the Contact Group's members proposed any solution predetermining independence for the province, or any solution implying independence. The group's members, however, did point out the need to search for differing variants in status, the diplomats said.

To the remark that among the conclusions of the Contact Group was that the solution "must be acceptable to the people of Kosovo," and that this had been interpreted by one Contact Group member as a pro-independence stance, the diplomats responded: "Everyone has a right to their own interpretation," but that such a conclusion was never voiced at the Contact Group's meeting on Jan. 31.

In the end, there is no independence without us saying "YES". As i said before, starting preparing to kiss some serbian ass :o)

dave said...

hey chetnik,
way to set an example for humane discourse. i'll bet you call all your black american colleagues there at work "ni**ars" don't you? what's that? you don't? you should try it. i'm sure they'll love you.

there's a reason why people from the outgroup don't address others from the ingroup with their own names, often associated with hate-speech. is it common practice in serbia for people to refer to albanians as siptari? imagine if white americans went around calling black americans "ni**ar". we did that for a long time, and you know what happened? our country was almost ripped apart in a brutal civil war. fortunately, the north won and the union was kept together. imagine what would have happened if the south one. probably not much different than the outcome of the kosovo conflict: independence for the south.

learn to respect, move on and enjoy life.

ivan said...

dave,

I thought you were an american, so i guess my post didnt concern you.

As for the term Siptari, its how albanians call each other. Nigger was a white man made up name for the blacks. But Siptar wa sinvetned by albanians , not the serbs. Serbs started calling them by the way they wanted to be called, and then they got insulted. They always get insulted, maybe its because they are full of complexes.

As for calling me chetnik, thanks. I like that and i am proud fo that name. Next time you address me, you could address me as another chetnik would address me "Pomoz Bog, chetncice".

I lost my respect for the siptar posters on this blog the moment they started laughing at the serbian victims. You never saw any chetnik posters laugh at the albanian victims. Now that is respect, and as soon as siptar/albos learn to respect, i am sure that all of the balkans will be in peace.

POMOZ BOG

Anonymous said...

The lies the serbian church is spreading in USA.

Kosovo bishop warns of terror
Says sovereignty there would spur extremism
Sunday, February 12, 2006
Patrick O'Donnell
Plain Dealer Reporter

Parma

-- Giving the Kosovo region independence would encourage terrorism and jihadists inside Europe that rival al-Qaida, the bishop of Kosovo warned Saturday.

Artemije Radosavljevic, who heads the Serbian Orthodox Church in Kosovo, spoke to more than 100 members of St. Sava Cathedral in Parma on Saturday afternoon.
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Though his visit featured typical gestures of goodwill and bonding -- traditional dances by the church's youth and a banquet of Serbian food like kielbasa and cabbage -- Bishop Artemije gave the crowd the same pleas that he is making in Pittsburgh and Chicago on his nearly two-week trip across the United States.

"It is my wish to sound the alarm," he said. "Working for the independence of Kosovo is to prepare, consciously or unconsciously, the ground for a militant jihad and terrorism in the heart of Europe, which will put at risk all democratic values of Europe and of America itself."

Representatives of Serbia and its Albanian-dominated province of the former Yugoslavia are scheduled to begin discussing the region's future Feb. 20 in Vienna, with Albanian Muslims demanding independence.

The United Nations took control of Kosovo in 1999 after a NATO bomb campaign to stop former Yugoslavian President Slobodan Milosevic's crackdown on Albanian separatists.

Bishop Artemije, who opposed Milosevic and Serb violence against Albanians before the bombings, has since repeatedly complained that the Albanian "jihadists" have returned the violence -- all while the United Nations is supposed to maintain order.

The United Nations, he said Saturday, has ignored a series of "terrorist" acts by Albanians during the last several years. He said the organization has allowed murders of Serbian Christians by Albanians to go unsolved and vandalism and destruction of churches to go unpunished.

"What is even more frightening . . . is the fact that the international community, instead of taking steps to stem this terrorism, now rewards it," he said.

Granting independence to Kosovo, he said, would only show other extremists that violence works. Instead, he said, the international community should push the sides to reach a compromise under which they can coexist in the province.

"Think about it before it is too late," he urged.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

paodonnell@plaind.com, 216-999-4818

Anonymous said...

Talk about a religion of hate. The serbian church has more in common with Al-qaeda than albanians ever could.

dave said...

ivan,
i'm glad you're proud of the chetnik label. it's good to have an identity. however your justification of using the term "siptar" is hardly acceptable. it's pretty well-known amongst those living or working in kosovo that serbians do not tend to use this term in a terribly endearing sense. i believe there must be a word for "albanian" in the serbian language. why not use that if "albanian" is too difficult for you to type? merely stating the fact that siptar/shqiptar is an albanian word doesn't make it any better. i live in austria, and i've never heard any educated austrian call a serb a "yugo". it's always the less-educated racists. words are powerful, so be cool if you really want to share your thoughts.

that previous article, if true, certainly seems a bit frightening. pushing a political platform based on religious prejudice and invalid information? al quaeda operating in kosovo at all, (to a degree more than they already operate in serbia, germany, the UK and the US) is ridiculous and has already been discounted by the KFOR authorities repeatedly. why lead a campaign of misinformation? wouldn't it serve the kosovar-serb orthodox position MUCH greater to garner support for protecting their religious sites within the framework of the current state/political structure in prishtina? i have already seen many signs of willingness to cooperate reasonably at this level on behalf of the kosovar albanians. and don't mention march 2004. that was a result of all kosovars' frustration with the status quo, which was immediately condemned and houses were very quickly rebuilt.

i can understand your remorse for those who may "laugh at the serb victims". unfortunately the serbian government shot themselves in the foot years ago by perpetuating a system of propaganda. there's not too many serbs even in serbia who believe what the government says, so it can be easily understood that those albanians who suffered greatly during the war, may not fully believe the terrible stories of sadness and pain inflicted on the other side, particulary since many of those offences are seen from the perspective of defense or retribution (which is much different than the role of initiator/aggressor).

in any event, like i've said several times before. it would just be much easier to accept the fact that kosovo is a new place now with a very bright future. cooperation would be the fastest way to improve everyone's lifestyle there, from northern mitrovica, to prishtina, to gjakova/djakovica.

POMOZ BOG my friend.

Anonymous said...

Ivan,
Your true colours are showing. You have been trying to portray yourself as an open minded person in the past (read a few of your posts) but you are nothing but a twisted mind. If someone whishes to understand the serbian people better i recomend the perfect subject, Ivan, which more or less is the perfect representation of his people (0.5% margin of error).

Kosova is lost go and invent yourself another myth... and please for the sake of god let us be in peace with each other. Think of the future generations.

Regards,
F

dave said...

in all fairness, i think ivan really does try. it's pretty easy for anyone to get worked up and emotional on this page, considering the content.

i have seen incredible conversations here, and am really grateful for that opportunity. it's just a shame though to see the discussion deteriorate to a level of name calling and blind shouting, which happens from all sides (serb, albanian or "international"). but again, one cannot forget the roles that go behind such reactions.

whatever, i still think that the balkans are an amazing place, and it will be great when the past is reconciled with and everyone can move on and prosper in their own right. don't worry, that's coming.
8)

Anonymous said...

ivan (and dave)

the serbian term for Albanians is Albanac or Albanci (pl). We call ourselves Shqipetar, and not Siptari. Like the Germans call themselves Deutchen. The term Siptari was invented by the serbian government in order to imply that albanians in kosovo (Siptari) are not the same as albanians in Albania (Albanci). And it is insulting. So if a serb uses that word to refer to Albanians, instead of the word Albanci, you can tell about his level of education and civility.

cheers

ILLYRIANBOY

arianit said...

I have never heard Artemije use such a card on Kosova. At least not from him mouth. Moreover, he has met K-Muslim leaders and exchanged letters of support many times. Is this a recent revelation from God because I don't see how opinion can change so fast?

At firt I though it's a backstabbing in some lost corner of America. Now he takes his slightly mildier message to Bush's National Security Council. Is this a sign of desperatness?!!!

Anyways, read Artemije tell security advisers that war on terror would be a walk in the park if Kosova joins the terrorists. And then turn around and threaten with Serbia's enmity towards the West. I feel bad for America, they better think this through or otherwise they're gonna get it badly both from K-Muslims and embittered Serbs.



Bishop Artemije: Kosovo independence will give rise to terrorism


BELGRADE/WASHINGTON, Feb. 13, 2006 (BETA) - Bishop Artemije of the Raska and Prizren diocese, met in Washington on Feb. 11 with representatives of the U.S. National Security Council. During the talks Bishop Artemije informed them that a democratic Serbia was a guarantee of peace in the region and that an imposed solution which makes Kosovo independent would cause an escalation of international terrorism.


According to a press release of the Raska and Prizren bishopric, the Serbian Orthodox Church bishop told Bert Brown, director of the U.S. National Security Council's sector for South East Europe, that an independent Kosovo would turn Serbia into "a radical, revisionist, vengefil and bitter nation."

"The stance and opinion maintained by some individuals that to support allegedly moderate Muslims is the best defense against extremism is a big mistake that will cost the democratic world dearly," Bishop Artemije said.

fauna said...

ivan,
you should be trying to improve your image, not worsen it

that's the quick tip of the day
more quick tips to come

ivan said...

Dear Siptari,

please read this article:

http://serbianews.blogspot.com/

notice that Contact group calls for Compromise. Compromise is the key word, and it means that two parties need to agree. So Prishtina needs to agree with Beograd. I know that hurts, but as I said before without us agreeing you have nothing from your independence.

So fauna, if it is anybody who needs to improve their image, it is you, since you need us more than we need you :o)

As for the comments on the name "siptari", Serbs have adopted this word from the Albanians. We spell it siptari, because in Serbian every letter is a sound. It is the same word as shqipetar just written in Serbian. I really see no reason why you get insulted when we call you the way you call each other. Its like me getting insulted if you call me ivan.

The story of Artemije, the man is right. IF you get the independence without Belgrade"s approval, all you need is then to write a best seller "how to steal territory in 10 steps". And Al Qaeda was fighting in the rows of UCK terrorists, as they also did fight for the Bosnian army in BiH.

The man has the right to his own opinion, so does the Serbian Orthodox church. If our opinions do not go in line with your opinions, that does not give you the right to destroy the churches and steal the Church territory.

As for Serbia, Artemije is also right. The same story goes for you as well. You say that if you dont get independence, there will be another war. Well if KiM gets the independece, the Serbian people will again feel betrayed by the west, and the popularity of the Radical party will grow to a worrying extent. Nobody knows then what moves they will pull...but one thing is for sure peace is not guranteed.

Anonymous said...

".but one thing is for sure peace is not guranteed."

I hope it isn't! Furthermore peace has been shat on by the frecnh division of Mitrovica. I totally agree with you war is inevitable. One thing is for sure in such an outcome. You will lose!

fauna said...

ivan,
you've gotten us deeply worried about our future

the myth continues...

ivan said...

Siptari,

again you misunderstood me. I am not hoping for a war. I am actually hoping that Beograd and Prishtina come to an agreement, where both sides can feel as if they are the winners. Then there will not be any war, then we might even be good neighbours.

But what i am trying to say is that you cant have it all. IF any of the sides gets it all, there will be a war. For those of you who actually studied the Game theory you will actually realise that this is the similair scenario as the Prisoners dielema scenario.

Honestly in my opinion i dont want the whole Kosovo as part of Serbia. I would like the Serbia to keep its monasteries (since its obvious you cant take care of them), and the areas where the Serbian people were majority as of 1999. Then everybody goes their own ways, and as we say in Serbian "Zbogom".

Anonymous said...

Ivanhoe the Chetnik is losing it.

I have studied Game theory and I don't see how the prisoners dilemma applies to Kosova. We don't consider ourselves in the prisoner's situation. We know what we want and we know what the Contact Group wants. In fact, we are hellbent in getting what we want. Are you?

For your information, we write our language phonetically as well and it looks quite different from your "Siptari." It must be some perverse brain disease that clouds your mind. Just guessing.

Dardania 2006 said...

Ivan,

When Kosova becomes independent we still do not have all of it cause your country, your children, will be paying for all the damages, crimes, murders for years and years.

We are talking billions in war compensation.

As for the Churches, you ain't getting them simply because atheistic racists like those running your country had no hand in building them.

The old churches are ours, the newer ones are yours.

And stop calling us "Siptari" cause it realy makes you look primitive.

Anonymous said...

I really envy some of you guys for having so much nerves to even try to discuss with the primitive people like ivan,cvijan dejan whatever...
they give stupid arguments about all the idiotic things that their politicans ( supported 100% from the primitive serbs)have done during the last 15 years.
Still I think that there are good people in serbia who really think differently from the way you idiots think...if you think at all...you don´t believe in the "arguments" that you bring here because you contradict yourselves in every second posting you send... you still have hopes that you can divide Kosova...and the whole world knows that you have lost any moral or legal right over Kosova...the only thing that you can still do is insulting from the distance...your good at that, i guess it´s in your blood and it´s a distinctive that you are primitive...
It´s sad having primitive neighbours...they can have a bad influence...
Përshëndes të gjithë shqiptarët që postojnë këtu...jeni të shkëlqyer edhe lexoj me vëmendje postimet e juaja...Iliri

armera said...

Ivan the chetnik,

You said “POMOZ BOG” (GOD HELP)
I say BOG TI POMOGO (GOD HELP YOU)

I sincerely think that you need gods help!

I hope you get it too, as it is in my best interest.

If I could move Kosova to some other corner of the world I would; unfortunately the reality tells me I can't. Since I don't live in a bubble (unlike you) I have to face the reality and only hope that god will actually help you. We need that for the sake of our children if not for us.

To peace and prosperity in Balkans,

PS Dave I am astounded with the depth of knowledge of the region and your honesty. Cheers!

Mir said...

"I say BOG TI POMOGO (GOD HELP YOU)"

Incorrect. That would mean God helpED you and even like that it sounds like broken Serbo-Croatian.

ivan said...

Siptari,

First of all , when you write God you write God with capital letters not small.

"As for the Churches, you ain't getting them simply because atheistic racists like those running your country had no hand in building them."

Dardania, what kind of childish argument is this. You aint getting it...its mine now. Grow up for once in your life time.

As for atheiest crap you wrote, its you siptars who write that you are so proud to be athiest. So what kind of right do you have over holy land, when you :
1) disrespect God
2) burn His holy land
3) Steal from the Church
4) Build statues to the terrorists who have killed innocent, and also burned those churches.

to the Game theory expert,

I would study the prisoners dillema once again, and maybe you will be able to understand the whole concept of that game. I am sure its hard for you to understand, but if you need hlep please ask. I mean just because you are Siptar it doesent have to mean you are stupid :o)

Illyria,

" you still have hopes that you can divide Kosova...and the whole world knows that you have lost any moral or legal right over Kosova..."

1) dont you un derstand that Serbs dont want to live in the 2nd albanian country. So what will you do with them now? Kill them all, burn their houses?

2) Moral rights? hahahaha, you siptars are really good. Hey i like that you also mention legal rights. hahahaha. Tell me is it legal and moral that i come into your house and then I tell you that the kitchen is mine and you are not allowed to come in? Sorry siptars, this is to complicated for you to understand. The only thing you can understand is good, and bad.


armera,

" If I could move Kosova to some other corner of the world I would; unfortunately the reality tells me I can't. "

the reality is that more than 75% of KiM is surrounded by Serbia. If you want something to come to your future country by land, you better sucking up to us.

As for Bog ti pomogo, thanks. We have a God, we dont disregard Him, we dont spit on Him as you do. We dont support the cartoons that insult anybodys belief, especially our own. But you siptari, you would sell your own soul (if you have one) in order to be able to steal more.

POMOZ BOG

ivan said...

I dont know why it insults you so much when i call you by your name "siptari". I spell it only in Serbian. Its like me getting insulted when somebody calls me a Serb, because its spelled in English.

Please for the sake of your children, get over your complexes.

Dardania 2006 said...

Ivan Srbijanac,

Dardania, what kind of childish argument is this. You aint getting it...its mine now. Grow up for once in your life time.

Orthodox churches stand all over Albania, did Serbs build those too? Explain how they got there then do the math why they are also in Kosova.

As for atheiest crap you wrote, its you siptars who write that you are so proud to be athiest. So what kind of right do you have over holy land, when you :

We are proud of being able to respect and love the other religion. I am Catholic, my friends are Jewish, Muslim and Orthodox...all Albanian. You would never understand it seems.


1) disrespect God
2) burn His holy land
3) Steal from the Church
4) Build statues to the terrorists who have killed innocent, and also burned those churches.


You talking about the Serb portfolio here.
Burning, stealing from both Orthodox and Catholic churches, to which we can also add Mosques. All Albanian.

Serbs not only invented genocide, they also invented Cultural Genocide by which they:

a) steal all that is not theirs
b) destroy it and build crapy copies

May God Help You Ivan (I sincerely detest calling you this since my grand grandfathers name was like this)

Dardania 2006 said...

Ivan...

Very smart...

I dont know why it insults you so much when i call you by your name "siptari". I spell it only in Serbian. Its like me getting insulted when somebody calls me a Serb, because its spelled in English.

Please for the sake of your children, get over your complexes.


You sound like Milosevic.

NOTICE
On this blog there are only maximum 2 serbs posting like this. This is a great sign, shows that Serbia is maturing and probably becoming healthier. If there are only two serbs writing this, then that means the rest are normal human beigns.

This is great!!!!

ivan said...

Dardania,

please learn some history before you write BS on this blogg. All of the orthodox churches were build during the Byzantine empire, by Greeks. Secondly i mentipned this earlier, Serbs have been a majority in Kosovo & Metohija since the Slavs arrived in Balkans. Slavs first arrived in the area of modern Greece, where the Byzantine emperor directed them to settle in the empty lands of Balkans. the first demographic polls done by the Ottoman Empire show that the Serbs have been by far a great majority in the Lands of Kosovo. siptars became a vast majority only in the 20th century, implying that you imiggrated these lands.

Lets not also forget that Serbia Orthodox church became an independent church, and the Serbian kings b uild all of the churches in KiM.

Dardania i know it hurts that you dont have a history, and that your roots aare all the way in Caucas. but please learn some history, not some BS your UCK terrorists are propaganding for the last 7 years.

Or maybe now alexander the Great was a siptar as well. You never know what might come into your poor heads.

Your grandfather must be twisting in his grave the way you ruin all of the deeds he has worked for.

By the way i like the way you respect religion. More than 150 churches destroyed, and robbed, maybe you should teach other countries to respect the religion in the same way.

fauna said...

The Serbian bloggers are like mirrors. They accuse you of things that they're guilty of.

ivan said...

Siptari,

"You sound like Milosevic. "

"The Serbian bloggers are like mirrors. They accuse you of things that they're guilty of. "

Thanks for your very "convincing" arguments. Hey siptari, if you dont have any better arguments, then please dont even post.

what I really find amusing is that nobody has ever replied to me to the fact that if you do get your second albanian state , what will you do with the Serbs who dont want to live in that state?

Secondly, i mentioned the case of Racak several times on these blogs, and you guys never replied to that. So i concloude that you also agree that there was no masacre in that village, but rather a very good set up by the side of the UCK terrorists.

and please, give me some arguments, dont give me some childish replies like the famous philospoh Dardania said:

"When Kosova becomes independent we still do not have all of it cause your country, your children, will be paying for all the damages, crimes, murders for years and years.

We are talking billions in war compensation"

Now a question for dave, who in these blogs is calling for a new war?

Dardania 2006 said...

please learn some history before you write BS on this blogg. All of the orthodox churches were build during the Byzantine empire, by Greeks.

Not true, Greeks never inhabited whole of Albania and Kosova.

Secondly i mentipned this earlier, Serbs have been a majority in Kosovo & Metohija since the Slavs arrived in Balkans. Slavs first arrived in the area of modern Greece, where the Byzantine emperor directed them to settle in the empty lands of Balkans. the first demographic polls done by the Ottoman Empire show that the Serbs have been by far a great majority in the Lands of Kosovo. siptars became a vast majority only in the 20th century, implying that you imiggrated these lands.

I heard this version before, is it the one where we all board a Boeing 747 and land it somewhere in Albania and infest it like insects, it true Serb words?

Lets not also forget that Serbia Orthodox church became an independent church, and the Serbian kings b uild all of the churches in KiM.

Totaly irrelevant. If you want to gain points for being a "good christian" you fail, in Catholicism racism is not allowed.

Dardania i know it hurts that you dont have a history, and that your roots aare all the way in Caucas. but please learn some history, not some BS your UCK terrorists are propaganding for the last 7 years.

I know where my roots are, where this language I speak and culture come from and I will not let someone like you hijack it.

Or maybe now alexander the Great was a siptar as well. You never know what might come into your poor heads.

He did have Epirot roots, thus Illyrian, thus Albanian. His Illyrian soldiers today settle northern parts of the sub-continent and all along the path he conquered. Noone seems to deny this except you.

Your grandfather must be twisting in his grave the way you ruin all of the deeds he has worked for.

My grandfather was not a cetnik, he did not commit murders like most probably most of your folk up there did. Talk about deeds.

By the way i like the way you respect religion. More than 150 churches destroyed, and robbed, maybe you should teach other countries to respect the religion in the same way.

The Serbian Church does not stand for God or Christ, it stands for murder. Let's discuss all this from this perspective, for which we have plenty of proof.

Thanks for your very "convincing" arguments. Hey siptari, if you dont have any better arguments, then please dont even post.

First of when your country gets to apply for EU membership, your Members of Parliament can't say words like "siptari" "niggers" "japs" "chinks" in the parliament. Learn to love your neighbour.

And second, freedom of speech, aparently you don't want anyone but you to talk. Typical Balkanic mentality.

what I really find amusing is that nobody has ever replied to me to the fact that if you do get your second albanian state , what will you do with the Serbs who dont want to live in that state?

Good question, let's see how its resolved. If they feel Kosova is their home they should not care if its a state, infact they should be happier. Now if they do not want to live in a country that is mostly Albanian, then they are racist and I prefer to have decent normal people living in my country.

Secondly, i mentioned the case of Racak several times on these blogs, and you guys never replied to that. So i concloude that you also agree that there was no masacre in that village, but rather a very good set up by the side of the UCK terrorists.

This has been discussed plenty of times, don't make me Google it.

Respect those elderly and children that were decapitatet in Racak. You should be ashamed of Racak, instead you bring it up, have you no spine whatsoever?

and please, give me some arguments, dont give me some childish replies like the famous philospoh Dardania said:

"When Kosova becomes independent we still do not have all of it cause your country, your children, will be paying for all the damages, crimes, murders for years and years.

We are talking billions in war compensation"

Now a question for dave, who in these blogs is calling for a new war?


Read it again. Noone is calling for war. Serbia will be sued by the Kosovar state, just like its being sued by Croatia and Bosnia.

Did you think all the crimes that were commited in your name, your flag and for you will go without a little bit pinching you?

ivan said...

Dardania,

"Not true, Greeks never inhabited whole of Albania and Kosova."

The orthodox churches that were build in Albania and KiM are the ones that have been build on the terriotory of the Byzantine Empire.

"I heard this version before, is it the one where we all board a Boeing 747 and land it somewhere in Albania and infest it like insects, it true Serb words?"

If you are really the descendant of the Illria, then how come there is no mention of you in the chronicles of the Byzantine Empire? How come your language has not been affected by the Greek nor the Slavic? Especially the last point and the fact that 90% of albanians are muslim, implies that you have arrived in the Balkans with the Ottomans. No Orthodox nation has almost completely converted to islam, even when we were under the Ottoman empire for 500 years. So this means that Albanians were never Orthodox, and thats why it is so easy for you to burn these churches now.

When I said that the Serbian Orthodox Church became independent, i mean that first we were under Greek eparhia, and then the Greek eparhia granted us our own eparhia. I dont think Albanian eparhia exists. So if you are looking for the truth, it is the Serbian eparhia that build majority of the monasteries and churches in KiM. Also the languages used on the icons and bibles are either Ancient Greek or Old Serbian. I dont see any Albanian used in any of the Orthodox prayers.


"He did have Epirot roots, thus Illyrian, thus Albanian. His Illyrian soldiers today settle northern parts of the sub-continent and all along the path he conquered. Noone seems to deny this except you. "

Sipatri, you guys are pathetic. Thats why he wrote with Greek alphabet. Oh i am sorry i forgto that the Greeks stole the albanian alphabet. And I guess now India is also Albanian, since the Alexander the Greats army span across India as well, so you should also try to expand into India. Hey read some history, and forget about those fairy tales.

"My grandfather was not a cetnik, he did not commit murders like most probably most of your folk up there did. Talk about deeds."

Your grandfather was a Serb or a croat. If he was a Serb i am sure he would be ashamed of you the way you are spitting at his grave and the history his people have created. Now you are neglecting this serbian blood inside of you, and you are calling your grandfather the worst names. You are so full of complexes, i pitty you.

"The Serbian Church does not stand for God or Christ, it stands for murder. Let's discuss all this from this perspective, for which we have plenty of proof."

The Serbian Orthodox Church stands for God, peace and love, but also justice. IT does not approve any killings. Let me also remind you that your people have burned the house of God. Please find me the evidence where the Serbian priests have done killings. They support the Serbian people, they support all the Christians and they will always protect them. and because of that you kill prisets and burn churches.

"First of when your country gets to apply for EU membership, your Members of Parliament can't say words like "siptari" "niggers" "japs" "chinks" in the parliament. Learn to love your neighbour.

And second, freedom of speech, aparently you don't want anyone but you to talk. Typical Balkanic mentality."

All of the names you listed, are the names other nations created for these nations. But siptari is the only name where you use it to describe your own nation. Again should i get insulted when you call me "srbin"? No, because i am not ashamed of what i am. But i guess you are ashamed of what you are since you get insulted. Its like asking a kid whose mom is a prostitute whats his moms profession is. He will get insulted by that question. But asking a kid whose mom is a lawyer, will be proud to say what his mom is. I am proud i am serbian, and please call me "chetnik"or "srbin"or even "yugo". It feels good.

As for the freedom of speech, i am just asking you to post some more mature arguments. In the end i have a feeling you will be arguing like children "slobo, slobo!".

"Good question, let's see how its resolved. If they feel Kosova is their home they should not care if its a state, infact they should be happier. Now if they do not want to live in a country that is mostly Albanian, then they are racist and I prefer to have decent normal people living in my country."

They can play the same tactic as you have played. Boycot everything, and cry to the world that they are discriminated.What will you do then? Will you kill them, or kick them out and burn their houses. I see that you are doing this now very gradually.

"Respect those elderly and children that were decapitatet in Racak. You should be ashamed of Racak, instead you bring it up, have you no spine whatsoever?"

then tell my why have the Finnish forensics conclouded that all of these men have carried fire arms? I do respect the innocent civilians deaths, but when it comes to terrorists, i spit on their grave.

"Did you think all the crimes that were commited in your name, your flag and for you will go without a little bit pinching you?"

Think about 150 churches you have burned, and all the houses from more than 220 thousand Serbs that hvae been burned. Serbia will be a very rich country.

dave said...

Over the years, I have met other Americans who think it's ridiculous that they can't use the word "nig*er" because black people use it with each other.

Ivan, I've stated this before and any diplomat or educated person who has been to Serbia or Kosovo understands that you saying "siptari" is DEFINITELY offensive. Cultural Identity & Linguistics is a much more complicated science than simple statements like "they use that word to call each other". If you still cannot accept that or learn that, than I really am forced to stop communicating with you at an educated level. The same way that I avoid dealing with racists who like to use the word "nig*er" freely. End of topic.

If you can swallow that concept and stop using derogatory names here, then I will comment on your statement:
"Now a question for dave, who in these blogs is calling for a new war?"

and please note that I have already responded to your mentioning of the terrible massacre at Racak (which has been officially investigated by MANY international states).

Let's try to keep this civilized.

Dardania 2006 said...

The orthodox churches that were build in Albania and KiM are the ones that have been build on the terriotory of the Byzantine Empire.

So they are Byzantic not Serbian.

If you are really the descendant of the Illria, then how come there is no mention of you in the chronicles of the Byzantine Empire?

There is mention in the Roman scriptures. And Greek ones.

How come your language has not been affected by the Greek nor the Slavic?

It has. Greek influence is there, so is Roman and Turkish. In Kosova there is also Slavic influence.

Especially the last point and the fact that 90% of albanians are muslim, implies that you have arrived in the Balkans with the Ottomans.

It is well known why Albanians converted in the 18th century. You need to do your homework before claiming something this riddicilous.

No Orthodox nation has almost completely converted to islam, even when we were under the Ottoman empire for 500 years.

During human history many nations have converted to many things. Albanians in particular had Paganism, which went to Apostolic Catholocism, then eventualy to Orthodox+Muslim+Jewish+Catholic.

So this means that Albanians were never Orthodox, and thats why it is so easy for you to burn these churches now.

So how come there are Orthodox Albanians today?

When I said that the Serbian Orthodox Church became independent, i mean that first we were under Greek eparhia, and then the Greek eparhia granted us our own eparhia. I dont think Albanian eparhia exists.

The Albanian Orthodox Church exists. Do your homework.

So if you are looking for the truth, it is the Serbian eparhia that build majority of the monasteries and churches in KiM.

You earlier said it was the Greeks, or Byzantic Empire. Make up your mind.

Also the languages used on the icons and bibles are either Ancient Greek or Old Serbian. I dont see any Albanian used in any of the Orthodox prayers.

I am happy your brought this up. In Gracanica there is Albanian in the icons. Go check yourself :)


Sipatri, you guys are pathetic. Thats why he wrote with Greek alphabet. Oh i am sorry i forgto that the Greeks stole the albanian alphabet.

Albanians had no alphabet. We used the Greek one, and went over to the Roman script after the invasion.

And I guess now India is also Albanian, since the Alexander the Greats army span across India as well, so you should also try to expand into India.

This is Serbian mentality that says "Serbia till Tokyo".

Hey read some history, and forget about those fairy tales.

Read something that is not from Serb sources.

Your grandfather was a Serb or a croat. If he was a Serb i am sure he would be ashamed of you the way you are spitting at his grave and the history his people have created. Now you are neglecting this serbian blood inside of you, and you are calling your grandfather the worst names. You are so full of complexes, i pitty you.

My grand grand father was Croat, a kind that knew very well who Serbs are, he once said "they are capable of slaughtering pregnant women".

The Serbian Orthodox Church stands for God, peace and love, but also justice. IT does not approve any killings.

Why did the Patriarchy approve of the genocide upon the "muslims" in Bosnia?

Let me also remind you that your people have burned the house of God.

We burned the lair of the Satan.

Please find me the evidence where the Serbian priests have done killings.

The priests doing killing? Maybe not with their hand but certainly kissing the hands that do it.

All of the names you listed, are the names other nations created for these nations. But siptari is the only name where you use it to describe your own nation. Again should i get insulted when you call me "srbin"?

But do you get insulted when I call you Srbijanac? You know very well how this is used in Croatia. But I will not give you that honor anymore.

No, because i am not ashamed of what i am.

You are. You keep denying all that was done in your name.

But i guess you are ashamed of what you are since you get insulted. Its like asking a kid whose mom is a prostitute whats his moms profession is. He will get insulted by that question.

By this you imply that Albanians are prostitues, or something "bad". I would suggest you look at prostitutes as people, do not disrespect anyone.

As for the freedom of speech, i am just asking you to post some more mature arguments.

Which I keep doing, and I do not ask you to shut your mouth.

They can play the same tactic as you have played. Boycot everything, and cry to the world that they are discriminated.What will you do then? Will you kill them, or kick them out and burn their houses. I see that you are doing this now very gradually.

No one can live isolated. If I call you to join me for dinner, and you say no because you are a filthy "siptar" I will not call you, but you will grow hungry in your little isolated world. Simple math.

then tell my why have the Finnish forensics conclouded that all of these men have carried fire arms?

If you read the report you will see this is not so. The Finns concluded the bodies were shot, some decapitated, and the ammo used was Yugoslav. Further investigations were not possible due to restrictions imposed by Yugoslav Security Forces.

I do respect the innocent civilians deaths, but when it comes to terrorists, i spit on their grave.

So kids and old folks are terrorists?

Think about 150 churches you have burned, and all the houses from more than 220 thousand Serbs that hvae been burned. Serbia will be a very rich country.

220.000 Serbs burned? Man your imagination amazes me. Folks, you've heard it first here, apparently Albanians burned 220,000 Serbs.

Or do you mean those that fled Kosova after NATO went in, knowing all about the crimes that were done in their name?

qwerty said...

Dear Serbs and ethnic Albanians,

Taking stock of the many idiotic statements expressed in these messageboards:

- you are both morons and deserve each other

fauna said...

yep, we were meant to be

Cvijus011 said...

Dardania you my little synonym for stubborn ignorance, I envy you for being ignorant and proud of it, it's admirable:

"There is mention in the Roman scriptures. And Greek ones."

The earliest scriptures from Byzantium (in that period called eastern Rome) is that albos arrived as mercenaries of general Constantine Maniakis in his fight for the crown in 1043.

"It is well known why Albanians converted in the 18th century. You need to do your homework before claiming something this riddicilous."

You my friend should reread your Noel Malcolm that you always quote. He mentiones that in the 17th century there was a mass convertion of albos to Islam as the goal of preventing the an uprising in the benefits of Venetians. He also tells that it was the easiest and fastest conversion ever. Eat chocolate.

"The Albanian Orthodox Church exists. Do your homework."

Go do some readings my clever friend cause the eparchy of albania is under the jurisdiction of the archibishopric of Athens and the metropolite of Albania is Greek and this church's target group are ethnic Greeks from northern Epirus (southern Albania). Inform yourself better dude.

"In Gracanica there is Albanian in the icons. Go check yourself :)"

You mean the grafitis written by KLA etc? You may lie, but don't exagerate man, it's like saying that there are Greek writings in the Mayan pyramids, or maybe those are also albanian writings?

"It has. Greek influence is there, so is Roman and Turkish. In Kosova there is also Slavic influence."

And that reflects itself at your toponyms, take notes:

Shkoder - Scuttari (greek for shield) Skadar (serbian for defences, dams), what does Shkoder mean in albanian?
Girokaster - Argyrokastron (greek for silver castle)
Vlore - Avlona (greek for Courtyard)
Kosova - Kosovo (serbian for the region of the bird Kos)
Mitrovice - Mitrovica (serbian for the place of Mitar)

Not even to mention for Pristina and Prizren that even in your names for these cities you use the serbian suffix "pri".

"Why did the Patriarchy approve of the genocide upon the "muslims" in Bosnia?"

Maybe my memory fades, but wasn't the Serbian Patriarch Pavle that said at the beginings of the wars that "Serbs should not be the nation that cause families to cry for their beloved ones, no matter what theri nationalities are". Surely you don't know about that cause you media makes you see everything black and white. I feel sorry for you.

"The priests doing killing? Maybe not with their hand but certainly kissing the hands that do it."

Black sheeps exist in every society, surely your mullahs were rejoicing seeing our churches burn. And since you mention that your grandfather, a Croat, knew exactly what Serbs were, according to his generation of the ww2, here's a nice article for you to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislav_Filipovic
, enjoy it, surely you would like to paricipate in the scene of the schoolyard.

"The Finns concluded the bodies were shot, some decapitated, and the ammo used was Yugoslav."

No they were shot by Pakistani ammo. YOu idiot ofcource they were shot by Yugoslav ammo in a battle. The Finns also said that the dead had gunpowder traces on their hands which shows that they were also fighting. Besides, the Yugoslav security forces gained control over Racak just after the OSCE obsevrers arrived and William Walker rushed to accuse for a massacre even before an investigation was carried out (wasn't that the same guy that was alledged to have very good connection with the right-wing faction in El Salvador?)

"220.000 Serbs burned? Man your imagination amazes me. Folks, you've heard it first here, apparently Albanians burned 220,000 Serbs."

I see you have reading problems, ivan said:
" and all the houses from more than 220 thousand Serbs that hvae been burned."

Prijatno vece

ivan said...

Cvijus,

thanks a lot for answering Dardania for me.

Most of all i like his comment where the albanians were using Greek alphabet to write. I mean their imagination goes beyond the borders. There is just one small problem,so if they were using the Greek alphabet to write the albanian language, how come now they converted to latin. Strange, i gues siptars are a nation that seems to change a lot of things about themselves very quickly.

Dave, dont be ridiculous. IF youdnt want to answer me, thats your choice. If they chose to get insulted by me calling them by their name, thats their problem. and i like the name Srbijanac. Thats what we are, Serbs, Srbijanci, chetnicic, what ever name implies the origin of Serbia i am proud of it. Its like Germans being insulted when i call them "Deutsche".

Pomoz Bog ,

Srbijanac

Dardania 2006 said...

Ah Cvijus,

Like always you are right and all the anthropological studies done till now are useless, invalid and wrong since of course Serb nationalist forces are better scientists.

Be it whether we went from Greek to Latin (Rome became an empire)

or that we now came from Caucas as mercenaries (when there are no genetic or linguistic origins there of Albanian)

or that a right-wing American that is connected to "south american revolutionaries" (even though bodies scattered in Racak were civilians and elderly, a few kids too)

or that some civilians had traces of gunpowerd in their hair (that "proves" a) it was not a massacre and b) Serbs are not to blame)

or that Albania is full of Serbian names... (my favorite, cause Serbia tends to have quite a few Albanian names)

Cvjius you got only two things right in all your posts:

a) Croats commited unseen crimes against civilians in WWII

b) I misread Ivans post about 220,000 Serbs

The rest you are just repeating all that was said by Milosevices minions.

Now your turn to accept that Serbs commited unseen crimes since the Ustase in Croatia.

ivan said...

Dardania,

when ever you dont have an argument this is how you respond:

"Like always you are right and all the anthropological studies done till now are useless, invalid and wrong since of course Serb nationalist forces are better scientists."

Cvijus has replied to you on every point you mentioned. Do you have enough arguments to respond to Cvijus on every point he mentioned, or will you stick to your so called famous arguments "Serbs hijacked our history". I think also hijacked your history since they claim Alexander the Great is of Greek origin.

"Now your turn to accept that Serbs commited unseen crimes since the Ustase in Croatia."

Now your grandfather was an Ustasa. Great and he then had great philosophies how Serbs kill pregnant woman. Great liable source.

LEts cut the chase. If you read Cvijus posts, or mine posts, you will notice that we do admit that crimes have been carried in the name of Serbia. And yes, we did apologize for them, and me personally i feel ashamed of those crimes.

But the whole point i am making here is that your UCK terrorists have also comitted crimes on Serbian civilians, and they did plant a lot of masacres ( now the Finnish report is not good enough for you since they claim that the dead were also using firearms).

Thats where you need to open your eyes a bit to the truth, and please stop making fairytales of the history.

One more question. Was Napoleo also albanian? Did the French also hijack that from your history?

POMOZ BOG,

Srbijanac

Dardania 2006 said...

No you don't, as long as you think like those that commmited the crimes you are pretty much one of them.

I replied plenty of times, not only me, to all your "proofs", alas a Serb mind is used to being always right.

We were not talking about my grandfather, reread the posts.

You are welcomed to Kosova only once you've learned that Europe stands for liberty and respect, not for calling names and holding racial supremacy values.

Cvijus011 said...

dardania you poor soul,

"Like always you are right and all the anthropological studies done till now are useless, invalid and wrong since of course Serb nationalist forces are better scientists."

"The rest you are just repeating all that was said by Milosevices minions."

Every time when you don't have anything to say, you immediately accuse me of being a Milosevic pion. Don't worry, it isn't a shame to admit sometimes that you're wrong. You see, ivan and I were admiting repeatedly that Serbs have made crimes over the albanian population in Kosovo-Metohija, we admitted our mistakes and we apologized. But now you albos are cowards to admit what you have done to our population, and just to remind you of that you can check these pics once more:

http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/ovk2-novosti.jpg

http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/ovk-novosti.jpg

observe on the second pic the boy at the right, shouldn't he be at bed instead of playing around with Serbian heads? Is that what you teach your children on your way to the EU?

"or that Albania is full of Serbian names... (my favorite, cause Serbia tends to have quite a few Albanian names)"

Can you name some albanian names we use?

"You are welcomed to Kosova only once you've learned that Europe stands for liberty and respect"

And I see that throughout your posts you show extreme respect to the Serbs. Especially when it comes to racial equality. And your worst contradiction is about liberty, which you provide to the Serbs in Kosovo by cutting them electricity and the phones.

"not for calling names and holding racial supremacy values."

What is your definition of racial equality between Serbs and albos? We did our first step in admiting our mistakes and apologizing, what about you?

Smarten up Dardania cause just trying to show your supremacy over the Serbs contradicts your theories of equality etc.

dave said...
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dave said...

So apologizing for the worst crimes committed since the nazi war machine suddenly places you and your nation above the victims of those crimes? Even the Germans still feel terrible about their part in WWII. You don't see them asking Americans, Russians or Jews for apologies. They were the aggressors.

Cvijus, you and your comrade have now both proven yourselves as racist with your derogatory remarks. Furthermore, you have proven yourself to be no more civilized than the people committing the terrible acts in those photographs. The difference is that those people were acting out of the extraordinary state of mind induced during war scenarious and you were sitting comfortably behind a monitor, chicken pecking your keyboard and searching for brutally violent images to share with others.

I have serious doubts that any of the Serb posters here have been to Kosovo in the past 6 years. And don't say you can't go there, because I know Serbs living in America who have gone there repeatedly in the past few years and I have seen Serbs and Bosnians speaking Serbo-Croatian on the streets of Kosovo. Why was this possible? Why can't you accept that this is possible? Why do you write so "factually" about a place you haven't been to in at least 6 years (if ever)? Why are Kosovo Serb refugees treated so poorly by many Serbs in Belgrade? Why are the refugee camps near the highway and the Danube in Belgrade in such terrible condition if Serbia truly cares so much about the people involved as opposed to the land? I am very interested to hear your answer.

The case regarding electricity being cut was clearly layed out by me, to which NONE OF YOU had a response. There are British and German specialists working at KEK and they were forced to temporarily cut power to ALL sectors of Kosovo over the last 8 weeks. As is always the case, 3 segments of the population were treated according to how they have paid their bills. Not according to their ethnicity. That should be obvious to you. Stop propagating rumours and hatred. It's becoming quite boring. Why can't you understand how a limited power supply is distributed within the framework of a fair and logical system administered by European specialists? Again, awaiting your answer (and hoping you might be able to grasp the paradigm).

The Serbian population in Kosovo has been given extremely generous offers of participation and reconciliation by the government based in Prishtina. If Belgrade would stop using Kosovo Serbs as pawns in their own local chess game of politics, then the entire region could finally move on. End of story.

dave said...

Before being called on a minor mistake, I was talking about war crimes in Europe when I said "the worst crimes committed since..." and not world wide. No sense in rating the degree of wickedness, but this point could be argued for many regions over the last 50 years.

Cvijus011 said...

dave,

there is nothing more that pleases me to see than a person that claims to be an american fighting for a cause that isn't his, despite the great problems that exist in his country (New Orleans ring a bell?)

"So apologizing for the worst crimes committed since the nazi war machine suddenly places you and your nation above the victims of those crimes?"

Apologizing doesn't place above the victims, I don't know were you got that, but it surely places me above the people that use the crimes done to their nation in order to hide from the crimes done by his own nation (see the fotos once more to see what am I talking about). Me and ivan didn't even question the number of the albanian victims, but albanians question ours in manner "where did you imagine such numbers, etc.". But out of respect to the albanian victims I will not questuon their numbers, which makes me a better person then some other posters that blindely believe that everything was black and white.

"The difference is that those people were acting out of the extraordinary state of mind induced during war scenarious"

So that justifies their crimes? They were frustrated and started cutting heads. So now if my girlfriend leaves me, I can go and kill a couple of albos and smile? And what do you know were I was during the wars, you seem like an expert in analyzing biographies, aren't you? Surely you aswell was watching your screen in the US being feed by the bulshit CNN was giving to you.

"I have seen Serbs and Bosnians speaking Serbo-Croatian on the streets of Kosovo"

Did you see it through your TV screen? I can tell you what I've seen in pristina in June and it was completely different than what your propagandistic media feeds you.

"There are British and German specialists working at KEK and they were forced to temporarily cut power to ALL sectors of Kosovo over the last 8 weeks. As is always the case, 3 segments of the population were treated according to how they have paid their bills. Not according to their ethnicity"

So it is accidentally that ALL Serbian enclaves are in the C zone (the worst one)? Talking about double standards.

"The Serbian population in Kosovo has been given extremely generous offers of participation and reconciliation by the government based in Prishtina"

Politics is one thing, the real life is another.

Cvijus011 said...

Oh yeah, do they also have now resource problems with the phones services that they have to cut the phones of the Serbs?

http://serbianews.blogspot.com/2006/02/phones-go-out-again-in-kosovo.html

ivan said...

dave,

"So apologizing for the worst crimes committed since the nazi war machine suddenly places you and your nation above the victims of those crimes? Even the Germans still feel terrible about their part in WWII. You don't see them asking Americans, Russians or Jews for apologies"

According to your logic, you as an US citizen should not even state an opinion. Who threw the only atomic bombs on populated areas? What did your US heroes do in Vietnam? Or how many children died from the US bombs in Afghanistan and Iraq. Who lied the world to occupy another soverirgn country. did you find any weapons of mass destruction. What about bombing another severign country, yugoslavia. Who is the agressor dave? Let me just remind you , Kosovo & Metohija was and still is in the borders of Serbia and Montenegro. And Serbia and Montenegro is a soverign independent country, with a seat in the UN. We were protecting our countrys borders, while your country occupies and leaves only death in poor countries.


"The difference is that those people were acting out of the extraordinary state of mind induced during war scenarious and you were sitting comfortably behind a monitor, chicken pecking your keyboard and searching for brutally violent images to share with others."

You dave you really are something. So we should tap them on the shoulder for cutting peoples heads off. They were under stress. Or maybe according to your logic. philosophy, Serbia should pay them war damage, because they were under stress. How would you feel that i cut your fathers head off and then i tell you as an excuse "hey i didnt comitt a crime, i was under stress".

"There are British and German specialists working at KEK and they were forced to temporarily cut power to ALL sectors of Kosovo over the last 8 weeks. As is always the case, 3 segments of the population were treated according to how they have paid their bills. Not according to their ethnicity"

How the fu..k do you expect these people to pay a bill that amounts for 6 years? How can you expect these people to get that money when they dont have freedom of movement in KiM? And what will KEK do? Allow them to freeze? Serbia offered electricity for these people, 50 milion kilowatts on a monthly basis, thats more than enough to supply Serbs with electricity. KEK refused it because fo politics. How the fu..k shall I as aSerb trust now this new so called country to protect my copatriots, when they would rather let them freeze than to accept help from Serbia. So much for caring for a human life.

I myself I was in Northern Mitrovica in October. I heard the stories, and believe me they were not nice.

As i said before, as soon as siptari learn to recognize what terrible acts their UCK terrorists have comitted, then there might be peace in Balkans.

POMOZ BOG,

Srbijanac

fauna said...

ivan,
i just read your last statement..
are you serious?
are you looking for apologies?

haha

oh man..
there's definitely something wrong here, because the majority of the Balkans is waiting for an apology from you

that's your tip for today

ivan said...

fauna,

here is a tip for you:

http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/ovk2-novosti.jpg

http://www.srpskapolitika.com/zlocin/ovk-novosti.jpg

Look at the pictures. What do you feel? Joy? Two less serbs to kill?

ivan said...

How about apologizing to the families of these victims:

The following chronology of major security incidents involving Kosovo Serb victims and
subsequent developments illustrates the heightened sense of insecurity:
On 11 February 2003, two persons forcibly entered a Kosovo Serb house in Devet Jugovica,
Prishtine/Pristina North Village, severely beat a 65 year-old Kosovo Serb, shot her twice in the
leg and fled. Her son had already left for Serbia 18 months earlier, having been beaten. The attack
on the single woman revived the feeling of insecurity and four neighbouring families immediately
left for Serbia.


After several incidents in the mixed village of Mogila57, tensions were high in Viti/na
municipality, Gjilan/ Gnjilane region, in spring 2003

In Obilic/q, Prishtine/Pristina region, unknown person(s) murdered an 80-year-old Kosovo Serb,
his 78-year-old wife and their 53-year-old son before setting their house and car on fire on 04
June 2003.58 In Skulanevo village, one of the four mono-ethnic Serb villages in Lip(l)jan
municipality, allegedly two known Kosovo Albanians from a nearby village shot and killed a
Kosovo Serb male on 11 August 2003.59
On 13 August 2003, several unidentified gunmen opened fire from automatic weapons at a group
of Kosovo Serbian youth bathing in a stream near the village of Gorazdevac/Gorazhdec, Peje/Pec
municipality. One 19-year-old male was killed on the spot, one 12 year-old boy died on the way
to the hospital and four other juveniles were hospitalized.60 On 26 August 2003, unknown
person(s) shot and seriously injured a Kosovo Serb male in the village of Binxhe/Bica, Kline/a
municipality61.
On 31 August 2003, a bomb attack in the Serb part of the ethnically mixed village of Cernica,
Gjilan/Gnjilane municipality, killed one and injured four Kosovo Serb men. Within seconds,
another incident occurred 300m from the first one, causing no casualties. Two hand grenades
thrown from a car caused the explosions. After this, four families left the village in fear. On 04
October 2003, a Kosovo Albanian shot and killed a 75-year-old Kosovo Serb woman attempting
to visit her house, illegally occupied by the Kosovo Albanian’s family, in Gjilan/ Gnjilane town.
On 28 November 2003, a group of 26 Kosovo Serbs intending to return to Kline/Klina town had
arrived to Binxhe/Bica on a KFOR escorted bus. Two weeks later, a Kosovo Albanian crowd
attacked the group of Kosovo Serbs thus preventing the first attempted return to urban area of
Kline/Klina town in Pejë/Pec region. Since this attempt to return to the town failed, the group has
since remained in secondary displacement in Binxhe/Bica. In January and February 2004, an
additional 20 IDPs joined the group.
A 70 year old Kosovo Serb male was assaulted by six persons in Gjilan/Gnjilane municipality,
put in a bag and thrown into a river on 08 November 2003. The victim was hospitalised with head
injuries.
On 10 January 2004, a Kosovo Serb male was injured in a drive-by shooting in Novo Naselje,
Lip(l)jan Municipality which provoked protests and violent confrontations between Kosovo Serbs
and Kosovo Albanians in the neighbouring villages. Also in Lip(l)jan Municipality, a Kosovo Serb male and female were found dead with gunshot wounds inside a vehicle parked on a road in
an ethnically mixed area on 19 February 2004.

ivan said...

hey siptari,

her something more you need to apologize for :

http://hrw.org/reports/2004/kosovo0704/7.htm#_Toc77665987

or dave, is this also to cruel for you, or were these poor siptars also under stress, and then its ok for them to behave like this.

Anonymous said...

To all the serbs that think and act as Ivan or his friends:

Pleas suck my big albanian cock.

See you in the after life.

On a second thought, I don't want to see your ugly big flat headed, big eared faces no more.

Mir said...

"I don't want to see your ugly big flat headed, big eared faces no more."

Hmm... odd... I thought Serbs were the only racist people in the world. I better call my buddy Satan and let him know we have competition.

Anonymous said...

not to propagate this any further but ivan you dumb hoe, it looks like you and your dumb shkavell friends are going to have to move back to Serbia again (you know your home before 1987). That's really too bad because I was so getting use to the sexual favors from those shkavelli girls. I guess all good things must come to an end.

ivan said...

siptari,

whats wrong truth hurts?
so the only reply you can give is:

"Pleas suck my big albanian cock."

so much for multi ethnic democratic Kosovo. Cvijus is right, siptari have stayed at the same level as they were when they were part of the axis power.

POMOZ BOG,

Srbijanac

ivan said...

Here is another case where poor albanians were under stress:

FIVE YEARS SINCE LIVADICE MASSACRE COMMEMORATED
16.2.2006 14:47 KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, (Tanjug) - A commemoration was held in Laplje Selo, central Kosovo and Metohija, on Thursday, to mark five years since the deaths of 11 Serbs in a terrorist attack in which these civilians, including two children, were killed and 40 others were injured when Kosovo Albanian terrorists blew up a Nis-Ekspres bus in Livadice, near Podujevo.

fauna said...

ivan and the truth
like apples and orange

dave said...

once again, my statements have been simplified to fit your own needs.

"under stress" is an extremely off-target interpretation of what i was saying. try reading chris hedges' "war is a force that give us meaning" to better understand what combatants, journalists and civilians experience when surrounded by war. it has nothing to do with stress. it has everything to do with an alternative state of existence where wrong is right and your perceived enemies are inhuman. this applies to albanians during the war in THE EXACT SAME WAY as it applies to serbs, iraqis, sudanese, columbians, the list goes on...

so once again, i put out the fact that those acts depicted in the photos were committed in the midst of a war-time mentality. similiar photos could just as easily be serbs, AND YOU KNOW THAT. can you imagine seeing a photo of a serb paramilitary shooting a pregant woman in the crotch? i'm ashamed i even had to mention that here.

my point was that YOU are propagating such imagery here for no other purpose than to spread hatred. and you are not even in the middle of a war right now. so how do you justify a priviledged person such as yourself searching out such scenes on the internet and spreading them? of course terrible things happened on both sides but like i said before, where are your productive ideas?? how can this problem be solved?

Anonymous said...

Kust to let some of the people know that it os not spelled KOSOVO it is spelled KOSOVA. Kosovo is what the serbians called it but pretty soon there will be no serbians in kosova!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

If there's some relevance to this topic I always fantasized about doing certain things for Albanian Muslims & non-Muslims who are decent enough and easy to relate to instead of Muslims & non-Muslims of any part of the world who have unsatisfactory characteristics.Also, for sure I condemn Serbs who support Serb war-criminals but a few examples of non-Serbs who I condemn for supporting these war criminals are the Chinese & Russians since China & Russia are reputedly Serbia's pals but I also condemn Americans,Britons,Canadians,whoever's Muslim even Austrians & Germans who may support Serbian war criminals,so therefore whether you're a Serb or non-Serb or a Christian or non-Christian as long as you support Serb war criminals than you're insane!

Anonymous said...

After all said & done so to speak people better believe it that I'm not to extend sympathy for Serbs who got penalized for war crimes and also I don't want to sympathize with people that are sympathetic or supportive of Serb war criminals.

Anonymous said...

For those who complain about Albanians the Albanians who I truly complain about are the ones who are "sell outs" whether they sell out people who're the same nationality as them including in particular Albanian Muslims selling out fellow Muslims especially innocent Muslims.Albanians who are also ungrateful to people who champion for their rights and people who are "exceptionally" nice to them have a way of getting "under my skin". Therefore I don't want to associate with Albanians who are truly dissapointing and also I refuse to be "extra-nice" to them.

Anonymous said...

Final thoughts ( at least till further notice)are that the bottom line is that I'd rather be "exceptionally" nice to Albanians who're more to my liking instead of Albanians who are less to my liking.In fact as long as I respect certain Albanians by being compassionate & generous to them,in return,they should respect me by showing gratitude.