Thursday, February 16, 2006

Anti-Semitic slogans scrawled at WWII death camp in Serbia - The Jerusalem Post

Several anti-Semitic graffiti, including one saying "Holocaust is a Jewish Lie," appeared Thursday on the walls of a World War II Nazi death camp in central Serbia.

Jasna Ciric, the head of the Jewish community in Nis, said the graffiti was apparently timed to coincide with the 64th anniversary of the massacre of some 1,100 Jews, Serbs and Gypsies in the camp.

"It's unbelievable that such messages are still alive in the 21st century," Ciric said, adding that about 12,000 people were killed by Nazis in the Bubanj concentration camp during World War II.

The other paint-written graffiti included: "Serbia for Serbs" and the infamous "Arbeit Macht Frei" (work liberates) slogan of the notorious Auschwitz death camp.

Serbia has seen a surge of anti-Semitism in recent years, fueled by nationalists who claim that all the republic's problems stem from the powerful Jews who allegedly support anti-Serb policies in the United States and elsewhere in the world.

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

What?!!! The rightous cetnik Serbia had it's own concentration camp?!!!

Yeah, those filthy jews died just so they could kill Serbs from the camp as well. It was a ploy against Serbs.

tironsi said...

Why is this news? There are neo-nazies everywhere.

Anonymous said...

Serbia is such an embarrasement. Who can be anti-semitic in Europe? I can understand those nutjobs in the caves of the Arab world... they hate themselves, let alone Jewish people.... Serbs never fail to shock me with their shitiness of a nation.

Kristian said...

To: Ivan, cv..., mir and the rest of the serb bloggers


You always call albanians nazi's. So what do you have to say about your serbian brothers/sisters in serbia?

Or is this some media hype made up by the west?

Anonymous said...

tironsi,

both serbs and jews died in those camps. yet, these people are blinded by hate and the wish to find someone to blame for the repercussions that they are feeling now, even be that those that died along side their grandparents.
if you read "heavenly serbia" you'll understand what i'm talking about. serb national myth is that they are the victims for choosing the rightous path. they think that in Kosova in 1389 they stood up to the turks and perished in battle rather than being subservient to the godless turk.
All parts of this claim are wrong. Some of the Serbs fought for the Turks. Many of those fighting were non-Serbs. Serbia fought another 2 battles just like that before and after it and lost them decisively. And most crucially, although Lazar was killed, so was Sultan and the Turks were turned back.
Serbs in their myth have the idea that they will rise up to avenge whatever was taken or they gave up to protect their christinatiy. That's why there was such a strong feeling enforced by literature that in Bosnia and somewhat less in Kosova that they were fighting the Turks.

Mir said...

"You always call albanians nazi's. So what do you have to say about your serbian brothers/sisters in serbia?"

Sorry but Albanians were REAL Nazi's once. This is just a bunch of extremely stupid kids that are bored. They aren't executing people in concentration camps. Those kids need to get a nice friendly Serbian police visit :p

Mir said...

"All parts of this claim are wrong."
How can all parts of it be wrong when it is based on mental opinion?

"Some of the Serbs fought for the Turks. Many of those fighting were non-Serbs."

Many were non-Serbs. Most were Serbs.

"Serbia fought another 2 battles just like that before and after it and lost them decisively."

How were they the same?

Anonymous said...

"Albanians were REAL Nazis once"

You have amnesia. There was no Albanian equivalent to the Nazi party, but the Serbs had one under Ljotic prior to WWII and then had a quisling regime under Nedic during the war that cooperated in makinb Belgrade the first "Judenrein" (Jew-free) city in Nazi Europe.

Serbs make much of the SS Skanderbeg Division. It was organized by the Germans, the officers and NCOs were Germans, it included only 6,000 Albanian soldiers, and only was around as a division for about 7 months when virtually all the Albanian soldiers had deserted. It finished the war as regiment and then a battlion comprised entirely of Germans.

Contrast that to the Serb Volunteer Guard--organized and commanded by Serbs, fought side-by-side with the Germans against the Allies for years, and in its later years became part of the SS. The Serb SS formations fought agaisnt the allies until the very end of the war.

Mir said...

""Albanians were REAL Nazis once"

You have amnesia. There was no Albanian equivalent to the Nazi party, but the Serbs had one under Ljotic prior to WWII and then had a quisling regime under Nedic during the war that cooperated in makinb Belgrade the first "Judenrein" (Jew-free) city in Nazi Europe.

Serbs make much of the SS Skanderbeg Division. It was organized by the Germans, the officers and NCOs were Germans, it included only 6,000 Albanian soldiers, and only was around as a division for about 7 months when virtually all the Albanian soldiers had deserted. It finished the war as regiment and then a battlion comprised entirely of Germans.

Contrast that to the Serb Volunteer Guard--organized and commanded by Serbs, fought side-by-side with the Germans against the Allies for years, and in its later years became part of the SS. The Serb SS formations fought agaisnt the allies until the very end of the war."


Wow... I know new nations tend to rewrite history but... wow just wow.

Cvijus011 said...

"There was no Albanian equivalent to the Nazi party"

What about the Albanian Fascist Party (Partia Fashiste e Shqipërisë)that was founded by Tefik Mborja whose party emerged later into the Albanian Nazi Party?

Albos not wanting to face their history, ain't it?

"What?!!! The rightous cetnik Serbia had it's own concentration camp?!!!"

That camp was under German control you dumbass. Would you also say that Auschwitz was controlled by the Poles?

Dardania 2006 said...

Look who's talking about facing history...

:)

Amuse me a bit more...and while you're at it apply what you said to all you said about Albanians cause you realy have a nack for contradicting yourself.

Cvijus011 said...

dardania, the computer scientist and history expert and ecclesiastical architecture, a great talent.

We do have to face our crimes that we have done during the last decade, no dispute over that.

But you people were nazi allies with your own political party and faithful SS regiments. You should face your past on your way of democratization and apologize to all the Greeks, Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians and Roma that your nation has killed during WWII for the accomplishment of a ethnically pure and nazi greater Albania. Puppet nazi regimes during that period were everywhere, but such faithful ones to Hitler as in Albania and Croatia, there wasn't any.

You albos if you want to rewrite your own history, feel free, but don't rewrite the histories of other nations.

Anonymous said...

read this u NAZI SCUM! while u daddy were sucking turksih and germna nazi dicks the serbs fought both like noone did! albos are teh biggest pussies the world has seen, never did u fight ur own battles.

http://www.centropa.org/reports.asp?rep=HR&ID=5968&TypeID=36658


Excerpts from Jews in Yugoslavia - Part II
Jewish communities in South Slav Lands - Serbia, Vojvodina and Macedonia

Serbia

Old Jewish settlements, graveyards, synagogues and documents were devastated by war in Serbia. In Serbia, for Jewish as for so many other areas of life, the influence of West and East overlapped, - of Oriental and European Jewry. Serbia was crossed by routes which, from Roman and Byzantine times, connected Greek Macedonian regions with the lands across the Sava and the Danube. Emperor Dugan's 14 c. chrysobulls mention Jewish settlements, but only those in Macedonian regions that then were part of the state of Serbia.

Emperor Dusan's Code, which recognized Orthodox Christianity as the only religion, mentions heretics, but not Jews in particular. Turkish invaders who made incursions into Serbia from 1389, were benevolent towards Jews, employing their skills in various crafts and trade, and later on the knowledge of trade and craft possessed by exiled Spanish and Portuguese Jews. The legal and economic position of Jews in Serbia can be traced from the 16 c. in Turkish, Hungarian and Austrian sources, and for the 18 and 19 c. abundant material is available in Serbian archives. The earlier centuries are described in works of rabbis of Belgrade, Macedonia and Salonika, who wrote religious and legal works and response (treating family, economic and social disputes and problems). The response record the sufferings during the Austro-Turkish wars. When the Turks retreated and the Austrians occupied Serbia, they enforced anti-Jewish laws, attacked Jews, killed them, plundered their property, destroyed their houses and synagogues and took them as slaves to Moravia where they demanded ransom from European Jewish communities. When the Turks returned to Serbian towns, they took revenge on the Jews for not having retreated with them. In the periods of peace, trades and crafts came to life again. When at the time of the first government of Prince Milos Obrenovic (1815-1839) the internal independence of Serbia was recognized by hatiserif (Sultan's order written by his own hand) of 1830, Jews were granted equality with other citizens and were allowed to settle and do business throughout Serbia. Milos was partial to Jews because they had provided him with arms and ammunition during the insurgence against the Turks in 1815. Jewish communities then prospered economically and culturally. Civil rights were denied the Jews when in 1839 Mihajilo Obrenovic succeeded his father.

In 1878 the Congress of Berlin obliged Serbia, and other Balkan countries to grant Jews all civil rights, but this was enforced only by the Constitution of 1888. From that time on Jews participated on an equal footing in the social, economic, religions, cultural and even political life of Serbia. Sephardic and Ashkenazic Communities rapidly enlarged their activities, resulting in the establishment of new Sephardic Communities in Serbian provinces. The relationship of Serbian and Jewish populations improved during the Balkan Wars and World War I in which they were brought closer to one another by jointly taking part in a common cause. Many rank and life, Jews were awarded high decorations for courage in the wars. Following the wars, Jewish children began to go to Serbian schools, while only religion was still taught in Jewish schools, mixed Serbian-Jewish societies and firms were established. Anti-Semitic feelings continued only in some right-wing environments.

Belgrade

It is assumed that in Belgrade, in ancient Singidunum, Jews settled as they did in other parts of the Balkan Peninsula. Frequent wars that ravaged the city, ruined its population and erased historical marks, leaving no traces of the Jewish community. The earliest written document originates from the 10 c. Written sources from neighbouring countries show that by the end of the Middle Ages, Belgrade along with Salonika was one of the most significant centres of Balkan Jews. Many exiles from Hungary at that time passed through Belgrade, some remaining there and in other places in Serbia. They were Ashkenazim and by the end of the Middle Ages they had prevailed over the Romaniyots. After the Turkish conquest of Belgrade in 1521, Sephardim gained the majority in the Jewish community. The period of progress lasted until 1688, with the exception of years of plague, famine and great taxes during the Turkish wars against Hungary. Three synagogues are known to have existed in 1567. The Belgrade yeshivah was famous throughout the Balkans and in Europe owing to the large number of learned rabbis and their books. Most outstanding were Meir Andel, Jehuda Lerma, Simha Hakoen and Josif Almozlino. Their books, known as response, record developments in the life of Belgrade Jews. The main Jewish settlement was raised on the bank of the Danube. Markantonio Pigafeta wrote about it as early as 1567. Synagogues and school buildings lined several streets. There were no fences between these streets and those in which Serbs, Greeks, Romanies and others lived. Belgrade Sephardim and Ashkenazim lived separately in their communities and had separate synagogues, because they were divided by language and by certain traditional customs and religious rituals. However, except for a few disagreements, they always co-operated with each other. Although the Ashkenazim were a minority, an Ashkenazi could be elected Chief Rabbi.

In peaceful times, Jewish merchants contributed to the development of trade by commercial connections. Austrian occupation stopped the development of the Jewish community in 1688, killing many, setting fire to their property, and taking them as slaves in order to collect ransom; thus, the well-known Belgrade Rabbi Josif Almozlino died in captivity. As long as the Austrians remained in Belgrade, the sufferings of Jews continued.

Under the rule of Prince Milos (1815-1839) the Belgrade Jewish community flourished as Jews achieved civil rights. They renovated their houses, synagogues and schools, revived trade and crafts. Many were employed in the Prince's personal escort or in military services. Milos permitted the printing of books in Hebrew and Ladino in the Prince's Printing Works, Knjazevska knjizara. He was very fond of the renowned violinist and composer Josif Slezinger whom he nominated band-master of his guards, and later conferred upon him the rank of major. From the departure of Prince Milos from Belgrade in 1839 until 1878, Belgrade Jews fought for civil rights. Anti-Jewish circles spread the slander of a “ritual murder” in Belgrade in 1841, which was so absurd that even the Serbian authorities and the Orthodox Church publicly denounced the instigators; in 1865 there was a pogrom at Sabac.

The Sephardic and the Ashkenazic Communities (the latter founded in 1869) developed their activities following the Constitution of 1888. Synagogues and communal buildings were put up. Both Communities gave sholarships to poor young people to study in unversities, art academies and schools at home and abroad. Cultural and humanitarian societies came into being (society of Ashkenazi women Dobrotvor, Benefactor, in 1894, Serbian-Jewish Choral Society in 1879), while the existing ones extended their activity. One of the most lively, was the Jewish Women's Society founded by Sephardi women in 1874. Jews began to open businesses and settle in other parts of Belgrade. Better-off Jews, who were not numerous in comparison to the other population, invested their capital in local industries, banking, wholesale trade and construction, and thereby substantially contributed to the progress of the city.

Owing to frequent wars, deaths and emigration the figure for Jews in Belgrade has oscillated over the past centuries:

1560 after the great fire, a Turkish list included only 5 Jewish families and two unmarried Jews
1663 an Austrian report listed 800 Jews who had their own street and lived in a large two-storeyed house with 103 rooms, 49 kitchens and 27 cellars
1681 Venetian envoy mentioned 500 Jews in Belgrade
1717 Austrian occupation, troops found 50 Jewish families with 250 persons

1825 114 households with 208 “taxed persons”
1838 the figure rose to 1530 Jews; this being the last but one year of Prince' Milos's reign and of the rise of the Jewish community
1845 the number dropped to 1087. Following the civil rights and unification of Yugoslav
lands
1929 Ashkenazim 1,430, Sephardim about 7,000
1940 Ashkenazim 1,888, Sephardim 8,500.

About 1,000 Belgrade Jews survived World War II

Vojvodina

Further research in Celarevo may produce more substantial evidence of the presence of Jews in Vojvodina in the early Middle Ages. For the time being there are no other records concerning Jewish settlement in Vojvodina at that time. In the course of the 14 and 15 c. Jews from Hungary and Central Europe crossed Vojvodina as exiles or travelling traders. The numbers of possible settlers in Vojvodina are unknown. Only in the 16 and 17 c. at the time of Turkish conquests of Hungarian territory did Jewish merchants come from Belgrade in greater numbers, because they supplied Turkish garrisons. After the Turks were pushed back, Jews were not allowed to take residence in towns as the ban of 1647 by Ferdinand III was still in force.

A specific feature of Jewish settlement in Vojvodina as compared to other places is that until the 19 c. they mainly lived in villages and smaller places. From 1867 they started to move to towns, but considerable numbers still remained in villages, as farmers and merchants, or doctors and veterinarians. The settlement of Jews began on a larger scale in the 18 c. They were Ashkenazim from Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia and Austrian and Hungarian hinterland, and from Poland, following the partition of the Polish state in 1769. The position of Jews was defined during the reign of Maria Theresa by a Letter Patent of 1743, which was exceptionally anti-Jewish, and which tolerated Jews on condition of payment of a tolerance tax.

After that they were allowed to live in towns, especially in newly built ones where new economic enterprise was encouraged (e.g. Subotica). The Edict on Tolerance by Joseph 11 (for Hungary in 1782) improved the position of Vojvodina Jews. The wearing of the Jewish badge and signs was abolished, schools were opened to them and the range of economic businesses was extended, with some rights still withheld from them, and they could not live where they would. In 1848-1849, Vojvodina Jews sided with Hungarian insurgents of Lajos Kossuth only to suffer reprisals for it at the hands of the Austrian army. Still, persecutions were not perpetrated here as they were in Hungary at the time. Following the Austro-Hungarian Ausgleich of 1867, Vojvodina Jews were finally granted equality and full legal protection. This marked the inception of fast progress of some forty Jewish communities in Vojvodina. Many Jews gained higher education and entered all walks of life.

Hungarian assimillationist stream was rather strong until World War I (Jews by religion, Hungarians by nationality), after which it abated in the period between the two wars in face of oncoming anti-Semitism. In the inter-war period Sombor was the seat of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Religious Communities in Yugoslavia; out of the 13 in the whole of Yugoslavia before World War I, 10 were in Vojvodina. There were 30 Neologue Ashkenazi Communities in Vojvodina. A total of 20,000 Jews lived in Vojvodina before the war, of whom only 4,000 survived.

Novi Sad

The first written source recording Jews in Novi Sad and it surroundings is dated 1699. Petrovaradin was then an important fort on the frontier of the Turkish Empire, and settlement was allowed only to the Jews who supplied the Hungarian and Austrian armies with arms and food.

In the first decades of the 18 c. joint lists were compiled of Petrovaradin and Novi Sad Jews.

The proclamation of Novi Sad as a free city in 1748 meant a worsened position for the Jews. They had to move out of houses adjacent to Christian and settle on the city perimeter where they were allotted land for houses and a synagogue. This was later known as Jevrejska ulica (Jewish street). New bans were imposed and a new “tolerance tax” was introduced. Artisans could work only for their co-religionists and the nobility. Jews were not permitted door-to-door selling, nor work as goldsmiths or stamp engravers; they could not sell Christian books or import books from abroad.

The Jewish Community of Novi Sad was established in 1748, and had its regulations approved a year later, but there is evidence of a synagogue and a graveyard already in 1717. A Hevra kadisha was founded in 1729. In its beginnings the Community was headed by rabbis, later by a man with the title of “judge”, and as late as mid-19 c. a president was named. The city government of Novi Sad retained a rigorous control over the Jewish Community, interfering in the election of heads, rabbis and teachers. The Community was not free of antagonism between two groups, one consisting of better-off merchants who had secured a wider range of rights, and whose leaders were the Hirschl family (its members had occupied leading positions in the Community for 100 years); the other group included the poorer members of the Community who demanded autonomy for the Community and freedom from government control. With the downfall of Absolutism in 1867, Novi Sad Jews were able to hold independent elections without government interference. They elected Gerson Reitzer as president. The local government elected three Novi Sad Jews to the City Council.
At the turn of the century (during the presidency of Dr Karl Kohn 1895-1906) the Novi Sad Jewish Community achieved its greatest progress. It numbered 2,000 members as Jews kept moving in from smaller places and villages of Backa. A new large housing development emerged including a monumental synagogue, school, community offices and residential houses. The Jewish Cultural Centre went up in 1935 with a large theatre and premises for cultural, sport and humanitarian societies, and a kosher restaurant on the ground floor. Novi Sad Jews were influential not only in the economy of the city and of the country, but also in political, cultural and social life, in publishing and journalism. In 1940 the Community numbered 4,101 members, with some 1,200 survivors after the war.

Subotica

Jakov Herschel was the first Jew to be granted permission for permanent residence in Subotica in 1775. He could also deal in leather and wine and sell kosher food and wine in his flat. This indicates that there were several Jews in the town, either passing it on their way or temporarily staying on business. It was only after the Edict of Joseph II of 1782 that other Jewish families were allowed permanent residence. Salamon Hajdudki was licensed to open a shop in 1797 and to buy a house.

With increasing number of Jews in town, they sought permission to establish their Community. Approval for the construction of the synagogue was obtained in 1799. This was an Orthodox synagogue, completed in 1817. The Reform (Neologue) Community built a monumental synagogue in 1902, which still exists. Dr Bernard Singer Jewish Hospital was inaugurated in 1923. The involvement of Subotica Jews in all areas of the life of the town reached its peak in the period between two world wars. Many were outstanding public figures and industrialists. The Community had 4,900 members in 1940. About 1,250 Jews survived the Nazi occupation, including those who had lived in smaller towns and villages around Subotica before the war, and now gathered in Subotica and revived the Jewish Community.

Macedonia

Evidence of the oldest Jewish Community in what is now Yugoslavia was found in Vardar Macedonia. A Jewish Community existed at Stobi in the 3 c. BCE, and probably even earlier, as testified by the remains of a monumental synagogue from the 3 c. or 4 c. BCE, which was built by “Polycharmos, named Achyrios, father of the Jewish community” as he himself had engraved on one of the columns of the synagogue. Bitola, Dojran, Ohrid and Struga may have had communities at that time, but systematic investigations have not as yet been conducted.

Byzantine laws against Jews, enforced between the 5 and 8 c. prompted Jews from larger centres to move to the deep hinterland of the Balkan Peninsula. Many Jews were proselytized by force, so it was forgotten that their offspring were of Jewish descent. It is known with certainty that Leon Mung elected as Archbishop of Ohrid in 1120 was a converted Jew, who had probably come from Germany fleeing persecution during the Crusades. At the time, Ohrid was a major centre of Jewish culture. Byzantine anti-Jewish measures were still much milder than those in Western Europe at the time, for instance in Spain and France, from where Jews were first expelled in the 7 c., when they arrived in Salonika.

Towards the end of the 14 c. and in the 15 c. new persecutions in Austria and Hungary increased the numbers of Ashkenazi Jews in the Balkans down to Salonika, because it was common knowledge that they were welcome in Turkey. The beginning of the 16 c. saw the immigration of the first exiles from Spain and Portugal to the territories under Turkish rule. Salonika was along with Constantinople the main reception centre for the Sephardim and the Marranos. Henceforth Jews became an important factor in the economy and culture of Macedonian towns. Unlike the countries of Central and Western
Europe, where Jews were not allowed to live in mining districts, in Macedonia they often held mines on lease producing iron, salpetre and alum. They manufactured arms, gunpowder, silk and other fabrics.

The most numerous Jewish community was at Bitola, followed by Skopje. The Balkan wars of 1912 and 1913 and World War I brought poverty to Macedonia including the Jewish communities. The partition of Macedonia among Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria by the Bucurest Peace Treaty in 1913 only aggravated the situation. Macedonian Jews began to emigrate to Western European countries, to the Americas and Palestine. The Communities of Skopje, Bitola and Stip were the only ones to remain. Of the 7,762 members of the Jewish Communities in Vardar Macedonia, a bare 600 survived.

Bitola

The Jewish community of Bitola, one of the oldest in Vardar Macedonia, grew through the influx of Sephardim in the early 16 c. into a strong Community on the trade route between Salonika and the Albanian port of Durazzo (Durres). The strong membership tied by tradition to the provinces and towns from which it had come, built five synagogues: Kal Aragon, Kal Portugal, Kal di la Havra, Kal Ozer dalim and Kal Salomon Levi and established cultural and charitable societies. Bitola had three Jewish schools, one of which - the French-Jewish school - was established by Alliance Israelite Universelle in 1895. The school remained open until 1916. In the early 20 c., Bitola lost much of its significance, and even more so after World War I when the town was destroyed by bombs. The population was reduced to poverty, not sparing the Jews, who emigrated in great numbers. Of the 7,000 Jews living there in 1910, only 3,350 remained at the beginning of World War II, of whom no more than 89 lived to see the end of the Fascist occupation. Bitola Jews lived in three mahallas: La Kaleze, Tabana and Ciflfik, all of them situated in the centre of the town. The 1931 census lists most of them as artisans - 556 dealing in 22 crafts (mainly shoe-repair, gardening, tailoring); there were 330 merchants, of whom only about 50 befter-off, and the others were small grocers or sold small articles.

The most educated people in Bitola were rabbis, who encouraged even the poorest to have their children educated. The famous Rabbis of Bitola were Josef Ben Lev and Slomo Avram in the 16 c. and Smuel de Medina in the 17 c. Bitola Jews took an active part in liberation movements and wars that shook Macedonia, in the Llinden Uprising of 1903, the Young-Turks Revolution of 1908, both Balkan wars and both world wars.

Skopje

Up to the 16 c. the Jewish community of Skopje was rather insignificant. The first synagogue was built in 1361. It was only the arrival of the Sephardim that increased both the number of Jews and their impact. Henceforth Skopje was one of the major crossroads in the Balkans for transit trade between Turkey and the countries of Central and Western Europe. It is assumed that a Sephardic Community was established at the beginning of the 16 c. together with a Hevra kadisha, followed by the institution of cultural and humanitarian societies over the next centuries. Connections with the Jewish community of Salonica were uninterrupted, and lively relations were maintained with Jews of Constantinople. Owing to trade relations with Dubrovnik, the Historical Archives in Dubrovnik have preserved information on the numbers and occupations of Skopje Jews. The temporary Austrian occupation of Skopje inflicted much trouble on the Jews. The Jewish mahalla was largely destroyed, houses burnt down, many Jews harrassed and even killed, their wives and children taken from the country so that ransom could be demanded for them from Jewish communities in Central Europe, and all their property plundered. Skopje had about 1,200 Jews in 1890. Their numbers went up when at the beginning of the 20 c. Bitola lost its importance in trade, and even more so when, after World War I and the unification of Yugoslav lands, Skopje became the centre of the Vardar Banovina. Before World War II Skopje had 3,795 Jews, of whom less than 10% survived the Fascist occupation.

Anonymous said...

Ahhh, sleepy!

Putting Jews in the story sure does make it more exciting.

Anonymous said...

You fucking slavic slut.Albania is the only country in the world that had more jews after the ww2 than before the war.Not a single jew from Albania was ever sent to a concentration camp.
The Holocaust
Albanian Jewry was unharmed by the German invasion of 1944, and not a single Albanian Jew was deported or killed during World War II. When an agreement made between Germany and Italy brought parts of Yugoslavia under Albanian control, many Jews from Serbia and Croatia fled to this annexed territory. These Yugoslav refugees were treated well by the local population and by the Italian occupying forces.

http://www.jdc.org/p_ee_alb_history.html

At the same time when your father your mother and you sisters were sucking the nazis dicks,in Belgrade was built a concentration camp,were 90% of jews living in serbia were murdered.In May 1942 the Nazi military commander of Belgrade declared the city to be “free of Jews.” By the end of the war, 90 percent of Serbian Jews had been murdered.

http://www.eurojewcong.org/ejc/news.php?id_article=305

So shut the fuck up you and your shity nation you are the scum of the earth.You are worse than the nazis You have commited the same genocide as they did, only in a smaller scale because the civilized world stoped you.

Mir said...

Awww we made him angry lol. "Slavic slut", haha nice try at an insult.

Anonymous said...

Yeah i was a little angry.I meant Yougoslut.

Anonymous said...

"Awww we made him angry lol. "Slavic slut", haha nice try at an insult."

Mir, you can't say that anonymous doesn't know what he is talking about because the things he said are facts.

Also please, if your going to completely change the subject or feel people should read what you want, JUST POST THE FREAKING LINK...NOTHING ELSE. You are just using bandwidth for no reason.

Mir said...

Oh no not the bandwidth!

Dardania 2006 said...

Cvijus,

No amount of posts here will change the fact that:

a) Serbs have made Nazi Germany look like Sweden
b) Jew haters today desecrate Jewish graves in Serbia
c) Israel is a supporter of Kosova for reasons you cannot comprehend
d) You can wine and cry all you want, soon you will need a visa for Kosova

Yes, I am a computer science expert, that travels and reads a lot and who knows people in many interesting places.

Are you angry now that an "Albo siptar" is doing something other than cleaning your streets or acting as target practice for racism and Serb martial arts (known as rape women and kill children).

Get some ice cream, chocolate flavour, dear racista.

Anonymous said...

For our Serb neighbors on the forum who have been victimized by their combination of first a communist, and then a Serb nationalist education--first a picture of some good friends:

http://mprofaca.cro.net/nazichetniks.gif

then a book to read about the 12,000 of "Belgrade's Best" who fought for the Germans until the end in WWII:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1891227386/qid=1140223691/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4585419-7307216?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

and finally a little history on the short-lived German led & officered Skanderbeg Division:

21. SS Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS Skanderbeg (albanische Nr. 1) was formed in 1944 and consisted mainly of volunteers from Albaina and Kosovo, but also a few thousand sailors from the Kriegsmarine who had lost their ships. It was used to fight partisans but many of the soldiers deserted (close to 3.500 within two months) and the division was disbanded.

The remaining troops fought on as Kampfgruppe Skanderbeg before becoming a part of the 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division Prinz Eugen.



This division was named after the Albanian hero Iskander Beg who drove out the Turks from Albania in the 15th century.

Manpower strength
June 1944 6.156
Dec 1944 4.944

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1927

To hear the Serbs tell it, Albanians were all Nazis and the Skanderbeg Division was the dominant force in the area. In fact, many more Serbs supported the Nazis and the Skanderbeg Division lives mostly in Serb propaganda.

Anonymous said...

Also the 5:22 poster that posted about the extermination of Jews in Serbia , Belgrade being the first capital to be declared free of Jews; and Albania saving all it Jews got his/her info from The European Jewish Congress and American Jewish Commitee. The Jews themselves are telling the story so the poster is right in everything he says.

Anonymous said...

http://books.google.com/books?ie=UTF-8&vid=ISBN0814706711&id=S_AAvvz7nBUC&vq=156&dq=heavenly+serbia&lpg=PA156&pg=PA156&sig=1XNu7aqof2JqOB0UZeaQGxxfCbY Here is a piece

Mir said...

This is why it is pointless to argue. I can find books on Amazon saying exactly the opposite. I try to avoid these kind of arguments because rarely do I find the true answer.

If you truly believe you suffered more then the Jewish people of WW2, you are slapping 6 million dead Jewish spirits and their relatives in the face. I have no problem believing Serbians committed war crimes. Especially when led by idiots like Milosevic and generals that didnt understand the art of war at all. I have a problem believing that 500000 Albanians were killed (according to American PR).

Anonymous said...

The numbers that we albanians give you are 10,000 to 12,000 victims,800,000-1million expulsed.If you cosider the whole extermination process in Kosova and Bosnia you will see the similarities with the nazis.And still the serbs don't care,they post in this blog complaining how albanians are animals because they destroy the bricks and stones of their churches,showing no respecr for a human life.Mir you keep bringing up te fact that we should not compare the victims in kosova with 6 million jews, i told you more than once why what serbs did is worse than the nazis.Because the nazis story should have been a a lesson to all humanity for not repeating such a tragedy.But you did it exactly the same way more than 50 years later.

Anonymous said...

"Especially when led by idiots like Milosevic and generals that didnt understand the art of war at all. "

Hey!! Sloba was a visionary, he had a vision for his people. Clear the earth of Albanian souls. Something preached by Shesheli and pretty much every leader you have. Don't blame Slobodan Milosevic of being a bad guy, he was just a man in a chair, if it wasn't him heading the mass genocides it probably would have been Koshtunica or Tadic, we all know it, so don't pull this "all tragedies caused were cuzz of this person".

Serbian mentality is still flawed by misconceptions. All you guys do is read pro-serbian sources. B92,Serbian, Tanjun..etc. I myself read almost anything with the name Kosova, Kosovo, or Unmik. I may not agree but I try to be understanding.

Don't tell me that you guys accept that fact that your terrorist Chetniks are good guys when they have massacred, raped, and burned down our churches (with fire tourches). Be understanding and stop making jokes, "did you hear about those 10k that commited suicide", this kind of attitude can get you killed (especially by someone who has lost family by your Chetniks).

PS
All these "dead serbs after war" creeated by your media are lies, there are no other sources backing it up, neither UNMIK, SHPK, USA or W/E. I mean it is possible, 1,2, okay say 100 were killed (by albanians) but you can not blame every crime that happens towards serbs is from an albanian. That would be like stating that every killed black folk in america was shot by a white folk. That's BS.

Rroft Kosova e Pavarur
Jo Negociata Vetëvendosje

Mir said...

"Serbian mentality is still flawed by misconceptions. All you guys do is read pro-serbian sources. B92,Serbian, Tanjun..etc. I myself read almost anything with the name Kosova, Kosovo, or Unmik. I may not agree but I try to be understanding."

So I should be reading anti-Serbian sites? Lol are you insane? The truth will never be known for what it is m8. The media will ALWAYS cause tilts on sides of a story, its their job. Dont try to talk bs by saying theres some "true" "unbiased" source that only you read.

Mir said...

"But you did it exactly the same way more than 50 years later. "

You TRULY have no respect at all for the Jews do you? Im done speaking to this racist brainwashed bastard.

Anonymous said...

"So I should be reading anti-Serbian sites? Lol are you insane? The truth will never be known for what it is m8. The media will ALWAYS cause tilts on sides of a story, its their job. Dont try to talk bs by saying theres some "true" "unbiased" source that only you read."

I am trying to reason you that most of the stuff you read is made up. No one said you should believe them, just read it. I don't know in which Serbia is, Shock or Anger, but as I believe one of the stages is Acceptance [of independent kosova].
I forgott what it's called but it goes, shock,anger,something, acceptance.

Anonymous said...

it's shock, disbelief, anger, acceptance.

there's still a long way to go.

Anonymous said...

Mir you dickhead,you are trying to change the subject but anyway tell me where i disrespect the jews and where do you respect them.You still haven't show me why what the serbs did is different from what the nazis did.A serb accusing other people of racism.Hilarious.

fauna said...

mir,
i think it's bedtime for you

Cvijus011 said...

"I am trying to reason you that most of the stuff you read is made up. No one said you should believe them, just read it"

Shouldn't that apply to you aswell? Or is it maybe only the Serbian media that is lying?

Anonymous said...

"Shouldn't that apply to you aswell? Or is it maybe only the Serbian media that is lying?"

Didn't they teach you how to read in school?

Let me requote myself because you are either A)Blind or B)Don't know how to read

"Serbian mentality is still flawed by misconceptions. All you guys do is read pro-serbian sources. B92,Serbian, Tanjun..etc. [B]I myself read almost anything with the name Kosova, Kosovo, or Unmik. I may not agree but I try to be understanding.[/B]"

I read Serbias news also. I try to be understanding, Mir has been showing lately, something you seem to have trouble coping with.

Cvijus, just because Belgrade says all these crimes are happening it doesn't mean it's true. I doubt that only 1/5 articles written by B92 or Tanjung or w/e is actually real, not streched, and made to seem more interesting. The whole world keeps saying that life in Kosova is getting better while yet news from Belgrade is flooding like water.

So my resolution towards the Independence of Kosova is this. Presheva "valley", Medjeve, and Bujanoc which have I think 150,000 Albanians, the same number as your brothers and sisters in Kosova. How about both sign a contract, whatever is given to serbs, same to the Albanians who are being harrased.

How would you like it if TMK opened a very big militarty station in North Mitrovica, Kosova?

illyrianboy said...

Hey Mir,

you keep accusing the anynomous poster of disrespecting the Jews who died.

May I ask you, what was this article about?

Anonymous said...

I get shocked whenever I see antisemitism, everywhere. I am Jewish, and I know that Albania is the only country in Europe that killed no Jews, during the WWII. ALbanians have shelter tu Jewish refugees and dressed them as Albanians, despite the fact that Albanians were singled out by Hitler as an 'aryan race.' I saw quite a touching documentary of Jewish people in Israel, who said they will never forget that Albania saved them.

Thank you Albanians!

Anonymous said...

"it's shock, disbelief, anger, acceptance.

there's still a long way to go."

It's actually: denial, anger, bargaining, shock, acceptance.

Anonymous said...

jews are gay kill them all kill the jews kill the jews . anti semitism is cool jews r shit

justsaying said...

All of u ppl are pathetic and the reason why there will be PEACE in the Balkans, hope ur children enjoy the war torn balkans as much as EVERY other generation has. PEACE u stubbron brain washed nationalist...so sad.

shakerdom said...

Maybe Zog's queen is responsible for everything, inspired by Leon Mung the Great.

Anonymous said...

you guys are all gay go get a life

Anonymous said...

have any of you guys read the new harry potter book yet, it kicks a**!!!!11

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