Monday, December 19, 2005

Serbia Wants Broad-reaching Autonomy For Kosovo

SOFIA, Bulgaria (AP)--Kosovo needs broad-reaching autonomy and better protection of minorities, Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica said Monday, but confirmed Belgrade's readiness to seek a compromise with Kosovo's ethnic Albanians.

"The Kosovo issue must be solved by (granting it) broad autonomy...and not by drawing new borderlines, which create precedents and divide people," Kostunica told reporters in Sofia after meeting Bulgarian Prime Minister Sergei Stanishev. "Kosovo needs better protection of all minorities and more powers for the local authorities."

Kostunica reaffirmed Serbia's readiness "to find a solution for Kosovo through negotiations, by reaching a mutually acceptable...compromise."

The U.N.-mediated talks on Kosovo's future status are expected to formally begin in January.

Although still officially a province of Serbia-Montenegro, the U.N. has administered Kosovo since a 1999 North Atlantic Treaty Organization bombing campaign halted the Serbian crackdown on independence-seeking ethnic Albanians.

Serbia wants to retain at least formal control over Kosovo in the future while the province's ethnic Albanians insist on gaining independence.

Bulgaria has said it will agree with any deal that would be mutually acceptable for Serbia-Montenegro and the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.

Monday, however, Stanishev appeared to agree with Kostunica that changing state borders would be a step back.

"This sensitive issue should be solved in a way that would bring stability for the whole region, instead of taking us back to the past by creating new division lines," Stanishev said.

He also said that international presence, including that of the NATO-led peacekeeping force, KFOR, was still essential for Kosovo's security and stability.

30 comments:

shaqa said...

Just wanted to say that i feel very bad for Tadic and Koshtunica that they are making all those trips to to try to prevent Kosova of being intependent. Clue # 1 Kosova will be intenpendent by latest in 2007 and even Bush has said that. Clue # 2 They dont need to spend all that money in trips to other countries, such as bulgaria rumania, grecce, russia etc. , cause they wont have much of a effect in the outcome of status, they can make you happy and give u support in the front of the media, but thats aboout it. Clue # 3 Serbia has lost the moral right to govern Kosova, so why bother making more obstacles when you know that one day or the other it will be seceded.
Sugestion with all that money that you guys spend on the trips on other countries , wich at least every trip will cost at least $ 100 000,00 why not donate that money to the poor peopele of the slumms of Belegrade. At least you ll make someone happy.

ivan said...

shaqua,

can you please tell me the moral right albanians got for Kosovo?

Ron said...

Dear Ivan
The right of self determination according to the international laws and human rights, in case you haven't heard about it.
Now you tell me what rights does serbia has over lands that belonged to someone else before 6-7 centery? Do not open up a can of worms. Let's carry on with the situation now, let Albanians and all others that live in the area decide their own fate and have Kosova chapter closed once and for all. It is for the benefit of Serbia too, believe me.

Titan said...

ivan,

Kosova is inhabited by over 90% of Albanians. Wouldn't this be enough?
Kosova has always been inhabited by Albanians, it's Albanian land, as you very well know. I just can't find any serb moral right for Kosova!? If you're referring to religious sites, again, everyone knows they were not orthodox, they were all catholic albanian as they will be if the future...
Shaqa, Kostunica and Tadic need to do some acting in front of their electorate that they allegedly care for Kosova in order to get their votes, and they probably will... it's not hard to asssume when we know what people they're dealing with.

Mir said...
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Mir said...

"Kosova is inhabited by over 90% of Albanians. Wouldn't this be enough?"

No it just shows how stupid, ignorant, and primitive you are. If you believe that just because Serbian religion, belief, and standards, are different than yours, that that is the reason Kosovo should be independent... then you are primitive and ignorant and that idea is just plain discrimination/racism.

You need to get over the fact that MILOSEVIC IS NOT THERE ANYNMORE. The only trace of his reign in the Balkans is the Kosovo-Albanian hatred towards Serbians. You HAVE the ability to get humanitarian aid now and you CAN get rights that you say Milosevic stripped from you within Serbia and UN-Kosovo. This is getting pointless, the hate is to deeply rooted.

-Mitar

Titan said...

Mir -
If you think that because of the fact that Milosevic isn't there anymore Kosova should remain within Serbia then you are not stupid, but more than than, imbicil, example of a person from Serbia. Yes it's pointless to read your comments here, and watch the news on serb TV today, the video executing young bosnians during the war. How could a person think that bosnians or albanians would live with people like you again.
Milosevic is not there anymore, ok, where is Ratko Mladic, where is Karadzic, probable hiding behind your curtains... in Serbia.

If you believe that just because Serbian religion, belief, and standards, are different than yours, that that is the reason Kosovo should be independent... --

No one mentioned this you stupid dumb. This is how you would like to see things.. You should face reality. Get over with it. Kosova has never ever belog to Serbia, and will not. If you want to live in modernized region, as I see you claim many times, then you should be the first to publicly say, KOSOVA BELONG TO IT"S PEOPLE. And this people as everyone know, but you and your dumb nation is ALBANIAN.

Regards from Prishitna.

Mir said...

I have no words to describe how insanely stupid those paragraphs you just wrote were.

Because of select military soldiers commiting war crimes that means every Serbian executed Muslims in Bosnia? Good logic, genius.

Mladic and Karadzic will be caught or surrender eventually. I fail to see why it is Serbia's duty to capture Bosnian war criminals though. It will take time to get them when they have so many hardliner supporters but they will be caught and face justice.

Yes I understand no one mentioned it but it was referring to the comment about "Kosova should be independent because 90% is Albanian" shit. Lets give Texas to Mexico also, and Florida to the Cubans! It is an illogical reason, just because of population. It is implying that you have a problem living with another race under their country, indirectly being racist.

No one knows truly 'who' Kosovo "belongs" to, unless of course you know someone that is 2000 years old. I certainly don't and im not taking an racist enemies word for it. Kosovo belongs to whoever the hell has been using their military to defend the last for the past 600 years. Or are you going to tell me Putnik and Misic were Albanian also?

Today's Serbia and Kosovo (under UN) can function together because nationalism isn't as big of an issue with Milosevic gone. You know as well as anyone else that with your kind of unemployment numbers Kosovo will hang on to a thin thread to survive in Europe. Under broader autonomy they have direct funding from Serbia while being relatively independent, to help them develop their ministries, factories, buildings, businesses.

Kosovo is still alive because of direct investing into Serbia. That money is then split and some goes directly to Kosovo to help build it as long as Kosovo is legally in union with Serbia. THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON TO LEAVE THIS KIND OF ECONOMIC STRUCTURE AND UNION. Unless it is a personal issue like racism.

I don't know what kind of Albanians are in Kosovo but most of the ones I've seen in central Serbia are the ones that are homeless just wandering around not doing anything, they can send their children to school or work, but they CHOOSE not to. If it is like that in Kosovo (IF) how do you expect to convince then UN you can surivive economically while independent?? They aren't going to pump in billions of dollar if they know it isn't going to help. I could go into the Kosovo natural resources and the kind of funding it would need to make alot of money, but im tired. Good night.

-Mitar

Cvijus011 said...

is it a moral right than to kill serbs and destroy their cultural goods (churches and monasteries) and in that way extinguish the evidences of their existence in that province?
if we talk about morality, than only the animals have moral rights over kosovo-metohija. your hands are as bloody as ours.

ron,

according to your argument of international law, in the same sence the serbs in northern kosovo have the same right of self-determination, whether they want to stay with serbia or join the kosovo albanians (highly unlikely). but the albanians will not allow that, so their fight for "independence" transformes itself into a fight for imperialism.

titan,

if these sites were and will be catholic albanian, why are you destroying them? i guess you people don't know what you want. and please find me any prrof that these churches and monasteries were albanian. even in wikipedia is stated that they were serbian. but i guess now you will tell me "the article is written by a serb". maybe, but than if you give me anything else i'll tell you "the article is written by a albanian".
oh yeah, if we are talking about ethnic statistics, let's give southern albania (northern epirus) to greece. fair-square.

Ron said...

Dear Cvijus 84
Presevo valley rings a bell? Presevo is not in northern Kosova, it is within serbian borders whereas northern kosova as it says is in Kosova, within its borders.
So if serbian minority in Kosova wants to join Serbia, fine Preshevo will love to join Kosova and maybe somewhere else in the region would love to join north or west who knows. there are so many albanians living outside albania or kosova that will love to join those two. So as I said, please do not open up a can of worms, let's deal with the situation now and move forward.

LOL

Titan said...

Because of select military soldiers commiting war crimes that means every Serbian executed Muslims in Bosnia? Good logic, genius.

Everyone here got enough of your crap head points... didn't you see pictures of Kostunica taken at Mitrovica with kalasnikov? If you don't (i'm not expecting you to say yes, you're serb) than Kostunica did, in NYC, 2 months ago! Democratic movements in Serbia, lol!!
Lets give Texas to Mexico also, and Florida to the Cubans! --- 'idemo na mexico, idemo na mexico da ubijemo mexicance'... don't say this doesn't ring a bell. You were probably among those thousands of demonstrators last decade... don't do such a comparison, ok. I just can't realise why you and your nation think you're priviledged to this world!!
Regarding to history, I see you're too tired to read! If you give some more time of your busy schedule to reading history books I'm sure you'll learn who Kosova belong to. Let me know if you need help!
And regarding economic surviving, you still have comunist opinions of econimic movements in southeast Europe. Dude, things changed, get over with it... lol!!!!

Mir said...

'idemo na mexico, idemo na mexico da ubijemo mexicance'

You are a fucking lying bastard, I did not say that, nice attempt at translating though I'm sure your brain hurts now. You are a neo-nazi bastard like the Skandenburg just itching to make up an excuse to get closer to your "greater albania" propaganda bullshit.

You know as well as I do your kind of people can't run an independent country without outside funding. And it's not 'Kosova' its 'Kosovo', get it right illiterate retard.

Learn some more English also, because I had no idea what you were talking about with Kostunica. Learn to form sentences and paragraphs.

ivan said...

Titan,

come on lets face it, the whole goal of Kosovo rebel movement is to create Great albania. IF i am wrong, then go to your fellow copatriots web site Kosovar 2006, who also argues that Kosovo belongs to the "innocent " Kosovo Albanians. Doese United States of Albania ring a bell?

Serbia has the guts to face its crimes eye to eye. We dont claim we are innocent, and nobody that represents Serbia in this forum states that. We did our crimes, and we are facing them. As a proof, we showed openly on our National TV the shameful masacre of Bosniaks in Srebrenica. This was not hidden under the carpet. And our president apologized openly to Bosniaks and Croats for the crimes that were made by individuals in the name of our contry. But Kosovo Albanians keep on playing the innocent sheep, lying and pushing everything under the carpet. Why do you think 200 K Serbs left Kosovo-Metohija? Becuase they felt safe? Why are 3 000 Serbs missing? Why are Serbian children constantly attacked by Albanians? What did children do to you? Remeber the shooting at the lake where Serbian kids were killed about two years ago?

Just give it some thought. I dont see the world as black and white. there is also the gey area. So I dont classify all of the albanians as bad guys, and serbs as good guys. I am just trying to be objective.

Titan said...

Yop, another serbian excuse,'i don't understand, learn english', you punk. Reality hurts huh! You should take reading clases in order to get things clear to your brainewashed head.

'idemo na mexico, idemo na mexico da ubijemo mexicance' --- this hurts too huh... blind crap.

You are a neo-nazi bastard like the Skandenburg just itching to make up an excuse to get closer to your "greater albania" propaganda bullshit ----- and this one hurts too, fuck, you should visit a psychiatrist... let me remind you, one of very known plaza in your capital, Belgrade, is named Skebderbeu, greater Albania propagandist...

ivan,

ok let's face it, isnt't your government's goal to include Kosova within Serbia's borders? Yes it is, what does this mean? This menas they're trying to create Great Serbia. Well, they'll not. Kosova wont be within those borders, sorry.
As regards to the crimes, there is a group leaded by Kandic that could be applauded to, however, there are a lot of criminels still walking free within Serbia. You know this. Serbs that escaped from Kosova, they're welcome to return. It's you government that stops the process...
I see you have a lot of questions, we can go and answer one by one, but it takes time... there are tens of thousands albanians missing, who are killed the same way ou saw the videos yesterday; Serbian children are not getting attacked in Kosove, it's your media that improvisat4es this; etc etc... talk to u later..

Cvijus011 said...

titan,

i don't really understand you logics. how is it possible fro serbia to achieve a "greater serbia" through kosovo-metohija which still is officially serbian terottory, so how can it create great serbia through its own terittory? it's like saying that usa want's to create greater usa through california. ridiculous.
and in those books you suggest to read, does it stand that kosovo-metohija was albanian? what a joke, nice try.
one question, if we suppose that by some wonder kosovo-metohija gets independence (don't confuse with the reality, your chances are small) and somehow it goes to war against albania, at whose side will you be? it is obvious that through kosovo-metohija, you're trying to achieve a greater albania.
yes there are many criminals walking in serbia (most of them now making profitable illegal businesses with albanians) but there are also many albanian criminals walking in kosovo-metohija and being applauded to as heroes.
albanians live under the stereotypes about serbs created from their leaders. you see in tv about serbs as if they are animals or monsters. the albanian media is propagandizing the population and therefore we have so many crimes against serbian civilians.
albania was a nazi ally in the second world war, but unlike other countries, it hasn't been under the denazification process and unfortunatelly the story with kosovo-metohija is the result of it.
our media is independent and crimes against serbs are real. ten thousand missing albanians is a typical cnn fiction. maybe they could be found in western europe selling drugs.

Chelsea said...

Mitar, 10:03 PM, said:
"Kosova is inhabited by over 90% of Albanians. Wouldn't this be enough?"

No it just shows how stupid, ignorant, and primitive you are. If you believe that just because Serbian religion, belief, and standards, are different than yours, that that is the reason Kosovo should be independent... then you are primitive and ignorant and that idea is just plain discrimination/racism.

You need to get over the fact that MILOSEVIC IS NOT THERE ANYNMORE. The only trace of his reign in the Balkans is the Kosovo-Albanian hatred towards Serbians. You HAVE the ability to get humanitarian aid now and you CAN get rights that you say Milosevic stripped from you within Serbia and UN-Kosovo. This is getting pointless, the hate is to deeply rooted.

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Your comment is absolutely ridiculous. It shows that you have no idea what life was like in Kosova under Serbian occupation. It shows that your knowledge about Kosova is only based on myths that your priests and brainwashed professors taught you. From far away, you're trying to get technical on the solution of the status of Kosova? Mistreatment of Albanians didn't start when Milosevic came to power, rather, Milosevic brought the culmination of it. Moreover, with regards to Kosova, all that Milosevic did was fulfil the desires of the Serb population to terrorize Albanians and keep Serb adrenaline flowing with stories of Kosova, and in turn get their votes. You're so stupid in failing to realize that the reason Serbs like you hate Milosevic today is because he lost Kosova, and destroyed Yugoslavia, but if he had managed to keep Kosova under control and Albanian-free with no foreign intervention (highly unlikely to happen) I betcha you would have considered him the best Serbian hero.
Spare us from the "hate is too deeply rooted" because we all know who is who in the Balkans. And the talk about moral rights that Ivan mentioned: I cannot comprehend how you could talk about morals knowing all about Serbian atrocities... You Serbs really need to smell the coffee and wake up from this agony.

Chelsea said...

Wow wow... Cvijus! Hold up there, don't get too carried away. You talk about "Albanian criminals" being cheered as heroes, and "Albanians making business deals with Serb criminals" and then suggest that all we know about the Serbs comes from TV propaganda? Man... talking about twisted logic! Where'd you get all the scenes from then? "Albanian criminals" and all?

Then, Kosova going to war with Albania and on whose side would we be? Wow.. honestly, I think this site should first check the IQ of people registering to post, because your arguments are bringing people headaches. It's over Serbz, instead of imagining how Kosova could get into a war with Albania, try figuring out what to do with the upcoming events in Vojvodina. :) Whoops, too bad Albania isn't north of Serbia, cause that would have been another "Greater Albania" issue.

Then you say this,
"albania was a nazi ally in the second world war, but unlike other countries, it hasn't been under the denazification process and unfortunatelly the story with kosovo-metohija is the result of it."

Let me just give you some facts, in your language too, by a Serb:

"Svetlana Lukić: Govori Branka Prpa. Branka Prpa: Ove godine je 60 godina od kako je oslobođen grad Beograd. Grad Beograd je u II svetskom ratu imao sledeće žrtve: već 1942. godine to je prvi grad u Evropi koji je proglašen judenfrei - oslobođen od Jevreja, to je grad koji na patentirao gasnu komoru, tu su bili čuveni kamioni dušegubke, u kojima su Jevreji sa Sajmišta gušeni na putu do Avale, gde su sahranjivani u Jajincima. U Jajincima je sahranjeno oko 68 000 ljudi. Postoje mesta u Beogradu koja su nepojamna stratišta. Jedno od njih je logor Sajmište, koji ima jedno obeležje, ali ništa više od toga. Od krikova sa Sajmišta nije moglo da se spava u Karađorđevoj ulici, tako govore izvori koje možemo naći u arhivima ovog grada i ove države. Drugi logor je Banjički logor sa preko 26 000 logoraša. Postoji jedno mesto kod Autokomande, koje se zvalo Topovske Šupe, logor koji je obezbeđivala Nedićeva straža i u kojem je dnevno streljano između 150 do 400 ljudi, zavisi kakav bi bio ulov. To je dakle knjigovodstvo smrti koje možemo da vodimo samo kad je u pitanju grad Beograd. "

Even now, check out this link, from B-92:
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2005&mm=12&dd=21&nav_id=183097
"Zabranite ekstremističke grupe"

Now, don't you talk to me about fascism.

Mir said...

"isnt't your government's goal to include Kosova within Serbia's borders? Yes it is, what does this mean? This menas they're trying to create Great Serbia."

No the goal isnt to "include" the goal is to KEEP. Kosovo is already a part of Serbia and Montenegro union. If we get it we are what we were the whole time, if we lose it then we are less. This isnt a win/lose situation for us, its simply lose or not. Nice attempt at insulting me, running out of things to debate with, eh? Maybe you should call me " typical Serb" since you think it insults me.
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"there are a lot of criminels still walking free within Serbia."

Of course there are, we commited many war crimes and they will be caught or surrender in time. Tell me how many Kosovo Albanian criminals walk free in Kosovo under UN protection? Most of us know what we did and that it was wrong and we take the blame and punishment. While there are still some hardline Radical nationalists that are brainwashed by Milosevic.
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"Serbs that escaped from Kosova, they're welcome to return"

HAHAHAHAHAHA! You serious? Okay me and Ivan will come to Kosovo and give a polite greeting and get a good (innocent) Kosovo Albanian welcome! :p We'll have an American soldier with a timer on his watch, time us to see how long it takes for us to be mutilated.
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"children are not getting attacked in Kosove, it's your media that improvisat4es this"

Really... I suppose our churches aren't getting hurt either?? Or are you going to claim they werent Orthodox but Catholic?

http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/crucified/default.htm#_catalog

I can't say Im surprised by how many churches were destroyed under US and Germany supervision. Dosen't surprise me that UK and France seem to have the least losses, they seem alot more professional at being neutral at their job.
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"It shows that your knowledge about Kosova is only based on myths that your priests and brainwashed professors taught you."

Funny because currently I am living in US. I guess you think they give me long-distance phone calls to preach to me about you? Ha!
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"Serbs like you hate Milosevic today is because he lost Kosova, and destroyed Yugoslavia"

Of course that's the reason, he pushed you to the edge and did bad things and pitted us against the rest of the world and ruined us. It could take decades to get former-Yugoslav countries where they were in 1960/70s. If he hadn't had lost Kosovo of course I wouldn't hate him, cause he wouldnt have had us in the Serb vs. World position he made us be stuck in.

Would you hate the Kosovo PM (or whoever the hell is in the highest position) if he decided to keep Kosovo under Serbia?? Stop being hypocritical. Double standards.
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"try figuring out what to do with the upcoming events in Vojvodina"

They earned their right to be independent a LONG time ago, though I dont see it happening because they make most of Serbia's domestic food supply. Even if they do though, they earned it long ago and I wouldn't be bitter over it.
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"Let me just give you some facts, in your language too, by a Serb"

Okay, Belgrade fell under Nazi control for a fairly long time. Everyone knows that. What's your point? There are plenty of stories of Jews that were hidden by Serbs also. However we didn't tuck-tail and morph into Nazis (or Turks) like your "Greater Albania" has done in every war since beginning of civilized time, we fought them back.

Chelsea said...

Hey mitar,

You're clearly contradicting yourself. You say, "If he hadn't had lost Kosovo of course I wouldn't hate him, cause he wouldnt have had us in the Serb vs. World position he made us be stuck in." So, Serbia vs. World is your greatest concern, not the worst crimes in Europe since Srebrenica, which were coincidentally done by Serbs too. Tell me, if world didn't condemn Serb atrocities, you wouldn't care about what he's doing then, would you?

And about Nazis, Serbs were the quickest to declare Belgrade Jew-free. Quit the hiding the Jews bullshit. The ONLY COUNTRY that had more Jews after the war than before the war was ALBANIA. You are the ones with double standards, claiming to be anti-nazis while you did everything to get praised by them.

Yeah, it's easy to tell you're in America, probably never been to Kosova. And this proves my point even more that all your knowledge on Kosova is based only on lies and propanganda. Now don't tell me you didn't have a chance to go, because before 1999 Kosova was a haven for Serbs, heck, they would even get free apartments, cars and secure jobs in the middle of Prishtina, walk around with guns like cowboys, while the Albanians would not be allowed to have jobs, go to schools, etc.

Vojvodina earned the right to be independent? HAHAHAHAHA!! So, now it makes sense for them to be independent only because Serbia has a different language, religion, standards? Man, how old are you? 17 and a half? Listen, go watch "Fun with Dick and Jane", it came out today, and stay away from these comments because they're clearly not for you.

Titan said...

No the goal isnt to "include" the goal is to KEEP. Kosovo is already a part of Serbia and Montenegro union. ---

Mitar, if Kosova was a part of S&M as you still dream of, would you need a passport to get there? Would you need to pay customs? Kosova is under UN administration without status at this time... man it's like I'm talking to a 6 year old boy!!!
Yes, you can come to Prishtina whenever you like, I will get you a drink, if you want, and you will see Kosova for the first time in your life, get to know reality, people, culture, we can visit Skenderbeu statue in the canter of the city, then Zahir Pajaziti memorial, Adem Jashari etc etc.
- Don't dream about something that doesn't exist boy! For the 10th time: GET OVER WITH THE REALITY.

Really... I suppose our churches aren't getting hurt either?? Or are you going to claim they werent Orthodox but Catholic?

--- click here :
http://www.voanews.com/albanian/2005-12-21-voa6.cfm

as you see it's VOA news, not from Kosova. It's in Albanian, I agree it's not right to have you read when you don't understand albanian, however, serbian section of VOA doesn't have the same news in it's site. Intresting, I guess it's not convenient for them, nevermind ... there are 30 orthodox churches rebuilt in December, for your fellows. They're welcome to return!


"try figuring out what to do with the upcoming events in Vojvodina"
They earned their right to be independent a LONG time ago.

--- I would suggest you read and study before you write a comment
to this site next time! --- click

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2005&mm=12&dd=21&nav_id=183097&nav_category=12

--- this is how it started in Kosova.


we didn't tuck-tail and morph into Nazis (or Turks) like your "Greater Albania" has done in every war since beginning of civilized time, we fought them back.

--- I guess you keep Skenderbeu Plaza in the heart of Belgrade because he fought for turks, against serbs, right... man, do some push-ups, feed your brain, lowlife!!

Mir said...

"If he hadn't had lost Kosovo of course I wouldn't hate him, cause he wouldnt have had us in the Serb vs. World position he made us be stuck in." So, Serbia vs. World is your greatest concern, not the worst crimes in Europe since Srebrenica"

Okay, I don't see how that is contradicting but if Milosevic had been a good president and managed some peaceful way to keep Kosovo of course I would have liked him as a leader. ?
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"Tell me, if world didn't condemn Serb atrocities, you wouldn't care about what he's doing then, would you?"

I believe personally, that there are rules to war, and the Srebrenica massacre was an event of a rule being broken.
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"And about Nazis, Serbs were the quickest to declare Belgrade Jew-free. Quit the hiding the Jews bullshit. The ONLY COUNTRY that had more Jews after the war than before the war was ALBANIA."

If I understood correctly that statement about Jews came from a person? Show me a DOCUMENT and I will believe it, but I certainly don't have a hard time believing that considering the times.
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"probably never been to Kosova"

I've never been to Texas either (once again) so lets give it back to Mexico.
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"Vojvodina earned the right to be independent"

Your people can not govern themselves and you know that. Vojvodina can, they've shown many times (like during embargos) that they had the ability to produce alot of food. So my assumption would be that alot of people there work and under stand the economic system. They can run themselves.
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-Mitar

Mir said...

"Yes, you can come to Prishtina whenever you like"

Ya... if you truly believe that... nevermind. It's a step in the right direction though :p. Come to US Ill get you a Heineken. Only good stuff here everything else is weak.

"Really... I suppose our churches aren't getting hurt either??"

Are they being destroyed by Serbians or Albanians? I just believe destroying a religious building of any kind is the worst crime against peace.

"do some push-ups, feed your brain"

Im no expert, but I don't think it works like that :p.

tironsi said...

Mitar, since you asked, here you go:

http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/HolocaustAppendices.html
http://jewishwebindex.com/balkans.htm

However I think it's rather shameful that any jews were killed no matter how few.

Cvijus011 said...

chelsea,

all the things about belgrade are true, but it was under the german occupation and all these things were done by germans and their allies. serbs were also the first nations to raise a resistnce movement against the german occupators, unlike the albanians who were loyal allies of the italians, thus, loyal allies of the germans. maybe albanians haven't killed many jews, but they surely killed many serbs and what happened in the '90s was just continuation of the albanian terror. the serbian police just reacted (maybe overeacted), but what did you expect? to encourage albanians to carry on, in the spirit of human and national rights? kosovo-metohija is a serbian terittory, and it was the duty of the police to maintain law and order.
if the serbian intention was to kick out albanians from kosovo-metohija, that would have happened in 1945. but no, we gave you a chance for a cohabitation, but that wasn't enough for the greedy bloodthursty albanian ruling elites. we gave you autonomy, you wanted republic "dajes prst hoce sapu, dajes sapu hoce ruku" or even better "gaji kera da te ujede".
the albanian public is extremely brainwashed to such extend that they falsify every single historical and actuall fact. your fascist ruling elites, who represent themselves as "democrats" are just carrying through a institutionalized genocide against the serbian nation. not only that, but through your discriminating media and "intellectual" elites you receive a very satanized image of serbs but also you inherit the sydrome of "everybody is against us, we are suffering all the time, poor us".

Titan said...

Cvijus-

I'm afraid you are wrong. Kosova was officially occupied by Serbia on 1912. That's when the deportation of albanians started and did not stop until June 1999. There were different methods used to accomplish this ferocious aim. After 1945 there were massive deportings of albanians to Turkey (albanian province of Toplica, region that today includes Serbia'a city of Nis (Nisus), Krusevac, Novi Pazar and and the whole Sandzak).
Albanians did not terrorize serbs. Albanian military batalions (partizans) after liberating Albania fought together in Yougoslavia with it's partizans ... they even liberated the city of Karlovac in northern Croatia.

In contrary to your comments, there were albanians terrorised by serbo-montenegrians. Just to remind you, at WW II there were hundreds of albanian partizans murderd (massacred) in the city of Tivar, today the city of Bar in Montenegro, in a scene orchestred by serbs and montenegrians. No one could forget the unforgettable things. This is something that is being repeated periodicly. It doesn't look like it's only Milosevic, it's more like national mutation.

Regards!

Ron said...

Dear Cvijus 84,

This is what you describe us as saying:
"everybody is against us, we are suffering all the time, poor us".

This sounds very much like you serbian cry. Albanians are not suffering no more, not since they got rid of serbia and criminels. It's your turn now to face the harsh reality.

LOL.
Hey, where abouts do you live, I might stop by and have a drink with you. You sound like an intelligent guy. Boy! if you are a girl even better.

Cvijus011 said...

ron,

if you are that much better, why are all albanians coming to western europe to do their criminal acts?
yeah, you albanians are crying all the time, everybody is bad to you, eveybody is harrasing you, you are suffering for centuries, it makes me sick.
just like invading hordes, you come and take evrything, not knowing anything about honor or dignity. even in some UN reports you can come to the conclusion that racism and genocidical thoughts, you just cover that up with the fact that in serbia we had a bad government. we saw your "freedom" and "tolerance" after '99 and especially in march 2004.

about my whereabouts, well this planet has 6 continents, so make a wild guess. you have to give me a very good reason why would i want to have a drink with you.

Ron said...

Hi Cvijus 84.

Just want to have a drink with you to celebrate Kosova independence, and also as a sign of good neighbour relationship. After all serbians and Albanians will be neighbours for the years to come.That's it. And if you happen to be a hot chick we can probbably take the relationship a step higher.
Good luck Cvijus and oh, Merry Christmas and a very happy new year. It will be a great year for Albanians, that's for sure.
Is it Christmas for you too or Jesus wasn't born on the 25th for you guys?
NOw I got to go and I will probably see you in 2006.

So long.

Cvijus011 said...

hey ron,

serbs and albanians are neighbours (since 1912) and i agree that you and me should have a drink in the centre of pristina as two loyal citizens of the republic of serbia.
i wish you merry christmas, but don't bve so optimistic about how great will it be for the albanians, besides, it depends how do you perceive it.

cheers

illyrianboy said...

hey Cvijus

it is interesting how everything you said about Albanians in the previous blog is exactly what everyone (western media, academics etc) says about Serbs.

And Serbs and Albanians are not neighbour since 1912, but since 6th century when Serbs came to the Balkans. So we go a long way back buddy. And unless we are divided by a huge earthquake (or Serbs all of a sudden decide to leave the Balkans and go back) we are still gonna be neighbors.