Monday, June 12, 2006

Serbs in northern Kosovo say they have formed own security units

KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, Serbia (AP) - Serbs in tense northern Kosovo said Monday they have formed neighborhood security units following a recent spate of attacks in the area. The U.N. police said they had no knowledge of such units.

The Serb Coordination Center said in a statement that the self-styled observation posts and vigilante groups were set up at "potentially dangerous points" last week to stave off possible attacks against the Serbs in northern Kosovo.

"Constant attacks on the Serbs and their property, from robberies to murders, have forced us to organize ourselves," the statement said. It added that the units were formed with the help of members of the Kosovo police and former Serb police. No other details were given.

There was no immediate comment from the U.N. authorities in Kosovo, who have run the province since a 1999 war. The U.N. police in Kosovska Mitrovica -- the divided city that is the center of northern Kosovo -- said they were not aware that the units were formed.

The Serbs last week have complained of growing incidents in the region, and the U.N. authorities promised to send additional police to step up security.

Forming of Serb-only units could fuel tensions in Kosovo, amid the ongoing U.N.-brokered negotiations that will decide whether the province will gain independence or remain part of Serbia.

Kosovo now formally is a Serbian province, but it has been run by the United Nations and NATO since 1999, when a NATO air war against Serbia forced Belgrade to end a crackdown against Kosovo's ethnic Albanian separatists and pull out of the province.

Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo insist on gaining independence, while the minority Serbs and Belgrade want the province to remain within Serbia.

Also Monday, Serbia's president Boris Tadic warned that "any form of independence" for Kosovo would destabilize the Balkans. Serbia has offered Kosovo full autonomy from Belgrade's government, but not territorial independence.


Mir said...

Lol? With what? Forks and spoons?

arianit said...

Is it just me or Serbs have become the Sunni equivalent of Kosova?

Dardan said...

It's the same thing happening over and over again.

In the 80's, Serbs would claim that they were attacked by Albanians and start these types of gangs.

In fact, most of these attacks were being staged by serbs themselves. I am sure you're all aware of the Martinovic case. Mr. Martinovic claimed that he tortured by Albanians and a glass bottle was shoved up his anus. The whole Yugoslav presidency accused the Kosovar Albanians of committing this crime. "Serb security units" were formed then as well. The witchhunt intensified...

In the end, Mr. Martinovic admitted that he had actually inserted the bottle himself for sexual pleasure !?!

ivan said...


and then the British doctors who actually performed the operation of removing the glass out of his anus, stated that it was impossible for a man to do such a thing to himslef.

Later on Mr. Martinovic stated that he was advised to lie that he did that to himself, in order to avoid the blood shed in Kosovo and Metohija. He lied to save you siptars.

ANYC said...

"Later on Mr. Martinovic stated that he was advised to lie that he did that to himself, in order to avoid the blood shed in Kosovo and Metohija. He lied to save you siptars. "

Yes and of course no bloodshed ever occurred and Albanians were saved-this is your version. The Albanian and rest of the world know a different version-more reality based...

mitrovica pika pika said...

I have stated before and still think tha the onl wa for peace in Kosova is to get rid of these fucking rapists once and for all. Whether they go to Sewerbia or just shoot themselves both just as good.

p.s ha ha ha aha sewerbs are fucking inhuman. Notice the fucker whose mother is trying to kill Mladic by infecing him with crabs saying that a "british doctor" - name?-stated tha its impossible to insert a bottle like that. What planet are you from bitch? Do you really think the whole world is stupid and doesnt understand the mechanics of inserting a bottle up your rapists ass.

Kristian said...

To: Mitrovica Pika Pika

I'm sorry but with those comments: You are racist.

Now I don't know what happened to you during the war or what happened to your family but making racist comments like those don't help the situation in Kosovo/a or the ppl of Kosovo/a.

I lost family during that war and I still don't think like you nor do I believe the everyone thinks like you.

And hate only breeds hate, its what got us into this mess. And if you think Albanians were so great why do they always get fucked throughout history?????

Let me tell you why bc none of them can get along with each other. If it wasn't for nato you'd see another Palestinian situation. Party against party. Thank God for Ibrahim Rugova otherwise all the other shmucks would of never come to a cohesive body.

Great example: during the war there was internal KLA fighting. Ppl were assasinated so others can gain power. If you think this is untrue then your not looking at reality.

There were ppl during the war that were not even affected by it. Were not even tortured raped beaten etc.. but now they're the biggest haters saying that the serbs should be expelled. Give me a break.

Serbs have as much a right as Albanians to complain. If Albanians were smart they would of started improving their relations right after the war. But no ppl like you Mitrovica... called for their expulsion.

Both sides have the mentality that the other side is the enemy. How so? Just bc the Turkish bastards put that in each societies minds centuries ago it still lingers in todays society. Tuks used it for personal gain and division but both our ppl still suffer from it.

And the childish name calling just shows your immaturity. Your not the only one here. So don't feel excluded. IVANA is one of them and a few more.

Ppl grow up! Think about what the real problems are. Kosovo/a is f-up. Economically its in ruin. Close to 50% of the population doesn't have work, but majority of them carry cell phones. I wonder how they pay for them. Thank god for expatriots sending money back in. If that cash flow stopped Kosovo/a even though its suffacating now would cease breathing and die.

I love the premmisses that both sides represent about their own culture. We are superior and no We are superior. That is a bunch of hogwash. Your both the same and come from the same crappy balkans.

If you guys were so great you guys would of ruled the world. And if anyone brings up Alexander the Great guess what he was Macedonian. And he ruled the Illyrians.

both sides are full of so much crap its like they both have superiority complexes. Wake up in this world Albanians and Serbs are in the bottom sphere of things.

Albanians always talk about how great they are. If your so great how come you can't handle your own business but have always needed outside intervention and help from foreign powers????????????????

simple reason you can't get along!

I hate when I get up now I need to get ready for work. Peace to everyone!

mitrovica pika pika said...

"I'm sorry but with those comments: You are racist."

In no way shape or form I claim superiority of albanians towards anyone. I am not a racist either. However, you are right when you say that albanians have trouble getting along with one another. If that wasnt the case te serbs wouldnt have had it that easy to rape and pillage wih impunity as the did in the war of 99. I find it moronic how some people in here besmirch the name of Kurti when he is what an albanian should be, all heart and soul for his country. We have a lot of scores to settle wih people who committed massacres agains us albanians. Fuck EU and NAO and UN, we only invited USA period. Personally I wouldnt want to have anything to do with Eurotrash or an other instiution but USA even if it mean being its colony. I wasnt tortured or beaten by the serbs, but to me they represent evil incarnate and as such must be dealt with. the crap tha they got away with in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova none should be allowed but they got even awarded with half of bosnia and as it seems 30 percent of Kosova. Fuck em if the cant take a joke.

Cvijus011 said...

The name of the British doctor that operated Martinovic in London was dr. Peter Holly, who received threats from the Yugoslav leadership after he published his report. Dr. Holly stated that the extend to which the bottle was pushed in was impossible to be self-inflicted.


First of all you are trying to keep the tensions low over here and that deserves every compliment, but you should also set an example of proper behavior and I reffer to you calling Ivan as Ivana. No matter how much you don't like his writings, just by calling him such names you lower you self somewhere near to Mitrovica Pika Pika, even though his low level is unreachable. But behave civilized and when you show respect to others, they will show respect to you. Otherwise, Ivan has the right to call you Kristina or Christine, or whatever...

Now let's get to the point, I don't know why are you suprised that Serbs are forming their own security units, the people are living a hell with nobody even willing to help them. And surely they don't trust the local government nor the UNMIK since now progress has been done from both the government and UNMIK to promote reconciliation among Serbs and albanians. Ironically, after the violence of March '04 it was clear that ethnic cleansing took place, UNMIK even increased the competencies of the local government that during this whole situation didn't show any competence in handling the situation. You should read "Leviathan" of Thomas Hobbes, there you can see why the right of the Serbs to defend themselves is legitimazed. Besides, the issue is that you are actually offended that Serbs use the same tactics you used (boomerang effect). Payback is a bitch.

As the economy is concerned, since you mention it Kristian, not that around 60% are unemployed and own cells, but there is a huge grey economy that damages the state itself. It is not only the case of Kosovo, but of all countries in Europe, but not in such a volume as Kosovo and Albania and that is to a certain extend due to the corruption at the state level. How it can be solved? hard to say, but one good step would be in regional cooperation having as a model CEFTA, creating a unique Balkan market. A big market of around 30 mil consumers can be a incentive for more investments - working places and fight against grey markets.

mitrovica pika pika said...

"Besides, the issue is that you are actually offended that Serbs use the same tactics you used (boomerang effect). Payback is a bitch."

I agree. Payback is a bitch!

mitrovica pika pika said...

The Martinovic Case.

Yugoslavia could not have been partitioned peacefully because the Serbs see themselves as victims of a cruel history, that began in Kosovo 600 years ago. The Serbs were defeated by the Turks at Kosovo Polje in 1389, and were placed under the Ottoman rule. The 1878 Congress of Berlin granted Serbia its independence again, and revived the strong nationalistic fervor among the Serbs. The propaganda campaign by the Yugoslavian government against the Bosnians, Croats and Kosonians who formed the rest of former Yugoslavia, fuelled the present crisis in the Balkans.

WHY COULD the parting in Yugoslavia--if it had to happen--not be achieved peacefully, through Western-style negotiation (like that, for example between Sweden and Norway in 1905) rather than through bloody conflict costing thousands of lives? As I reflect on this quesion, I keep returning to an incident from my personal experience that, to me at any rate, symbolizes and encapsulates the attitudes that have led to the present disaster. On May 1, 1985, a 59-year-old Serbian farmer by the name of Djordje Martinovic was found in a distreesed condition with a broken bottle up his anus in his own province of Serbia, one with a large ethnic Albanian majority. Almost overnight, this elderly man, who supplemented his farm income by working as a storekeeper for the Yugoslav Army in Gnjilane, became the center of a fierce controversy that quickly grew into a cause celebre.

According to reports claiming to be based on Mr. Martinovic's own evidence and published in Belgrade, Serbia's capital, Mr. Martinovic had been attacked from behind by a group of masked men speaking Albanian, who then allegedly tied him up and brutalized him. The other version, in Kosovo's Albanian-language press and in the media in some non-Serbian parts of Yugoslavia, was very different. According to that account, Mr. Martinovic was a homosexual who had suffered an accident while in the act of self-gratification and, in order to avoid bringing dishonor on himself and his family in a very old-fashioned society, decided to invent the alleged attack.

I arrived in Kosovo shortly thereafter while researching a story on the national question in Yugoslavia for The Economist and was one of the first Western correspondents to write about "the Martinovic affair." The atmosphere I found there reminded me of Kurosawa's famous film "Rashomon" I had seen while still living in Yugoslavia in the early 1950s, in which a single violent incident is told in several completely different versions. I wanted to talk to Mr. Martinovic but could not: he had been taken out of the hands of the Kosovo authorities, whisked off to the Yugoslav Army's Medical Academy in Belgrade and kept incommunicado there pending further clinical and psychiatric investigations.

Meanwhile ethnic Albanian officials in Pristina, Kosovo's capital, kept assuring me that the story of the attack was a complete fabrication and even provided me with graphic clinical details of the incident as recorded by the local Albanian doctors (including the exact size of the bottle). They argued that the Martinovic case was being exploited politically by the Serbian leaders in Belgrade as another argument in their campaign for the abolition of Kosovo's autonomy and its re-annexation by Serbia, on the grounds that this was the only way of protecting the local Serbs (by then 10 percent of the total population) from Albanian "terror." On the other hand, local Kosovo Serbs I talked to claimed to believe the attack version implicitly and interpreted the incident as another instance of the systematic Albanian campaign aimed at forcing the Kosovo Serbs to emigrate, leaving it to the Albanians. In Belgrade, meanwhile, the Kosovo farmer had become a hero to Serbian opinion as a martyr in the national cause. A famous Serbian painter not long afterwards made Mr. Martinovic the central figure of a crucifixion scene in a painting which, I was told, now adorns one of the rooms in the building of the Serbian Academy of Sciences in Belgrade.

FOUR YEARS AFTER this bizarre and gruesome incident, in June 1989, Serbia re-annexed Kosovo, thus regaining full control over its police and judiciary. Intriguingly, the Martinovic file remained closed. The new Serbian authorities have so far failed--to my knowledge anyway--to do what they might have been expected to do in such a highly publicized case. They have not reopened the investigation with a view to catching the alleged perpetrators, bringing them to justice and vindicating the old man's honor. This suggests that the attack theory might after all have been an anti-Albanian fabrication, as the local Albanians had claimed from the start. But, whatever the true facts of the case, they do not seem to matter any more--at least not to the present generation of Serbs. The martyrdom of Djordje Martinovic, in the highly stylized form of the crucifixion in the Academy of Sciences picture, has become part of the Serbs' vision of themselves as perpetual victims of cruel historical circumstances--an idea born in Kosovo more than 600 years ago.

It was in Kosovo Polje (the Field of Blackbirds), not far from where Djordje Martinovic suffered his mysterious humiliation, that on June 28, 1389 the Serbs suffered a decisive defeat at the hands of the Turks. They did not fight along--along-side them were Croatian and Hungarian nobles, as well as the local (also Christian) Albanians--but they still lost. That defeat at Kosovo sealed the fate of the Serbian state and ushered in five centuries of life under Ottoman rule. The Serbs' sense of national humiliation after Kosovo was particularly acute because at the time the memories were still fresh of their own short-lived kingdom which had spread over a large part of the Balkans. Life under the Ottoman Empire, involving as it did for the majority population what would nowadays be called collaboration with the enemy. For example, the main hero of Serbian folk poetry, Prince Marko (Kraljevic Marko), endowed in popular imagination with superhuman strength and extraordinary bravery as well as great cunning, was a historical figure--in fact a small feudal ruler who, like all the other Serbian Christian nobles, became the Turkish sultan's vassal after the Kosovo battle. In one of the Serbian folk ballads called "Kraljevic Marko i Musa Kesedzija," Marko is commissioned by the Turks to kill Musa, represented in the poem as a bandit but in fact an Albanian insurgent against Turkish rule. The necessity to collaborate with the enemy induced in the Serbs a strong sense of inferiority and a correspondingly powerful urge for a violent compensation, both of which are reflected in Serbian folk poetry (later discovered and much praised by the Grimm brothers and other German scholars of the Romantic era). Much of that poetry is so violent and sadistic that in schools, as I myself remember, it was taught in a severely bowdlerized form.

It was just short of 500 years after the battle of Kosovo, at the Congress of Berlin in 1878, that Serbia regained its independence, following it four years later, in 1882, with the proclamation of a monarchy. In the intervening centuries, the Serbs had turned their defeat at Kosovo into a powerful national myth--that of a virtuous, gallant victim undeservedly crushed by an overwhelmingly stronger army but certain to rise one day to a new greatness. It was one of several myths that the Serbs relied on to help them overcome the trauma of lost sovereignty and to compensate for the humiliations and deprivations of life under foreign rule. This acute sense of national grievance against what they perceived as an unkind fate gave the Serbs an all-encompassing alibi for the policy of territorial expansion embarked upon the first half of the nineteenth century. That sense of being absolved, on account of past suffering, from compliance with the usual norms of international behavior is one of the most important elements of Serbian political culture and behavior today. It provides an excuse for policies such as "ethnic cleansing," widely condemned by the rest of the world and based on the idea that Serbs must not be obliged to live "under" any other nation or even, as in Bosnia, to share a state with non-Serbs. Significantly, old Serb myths are particularly strong among the Serbs in Bosnia, most of whom live in sparsely populated mountain areas, with a tradition of singing folk ballads to the accompaniment of the gusle, the one-string fiddle. A recent BBC-TV documentary depicted Mr. Radovan Karadzic, leader of the Bosnian Serbs, and his men playing contemporary, strongly xenophobic versions of old folk ballads to the accompaniment of the gusle.

In the past several years the Serbs have been fed, through their state-controlled television and other media, a diet of hate for the neighboring peoples. Warnings of genocide allegedly in store for the Serbs in Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, and elsewhere were coupled with reminders of the sufferings, many of them only too real, inflicted on the Serbs in the past--as in the years between 1941 and 1945, under the murderous regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia. But there was also a lot of propaganda about the dark anti-Serb activities of the "enemies of the Serbian people" operating out of Bonn, Vienna, Rome, Tirana, and other "anti-Serb" centers. Cases like that of the hapless Djordje Martinovic were manipulated to make the Serbs feel humiliated once again, as they had been under the Turks, and to make them demand revenge.

This propaganda campaign, masterminded by nationalist intellectuals in the Serbian Academy of Sciences in Belgrade and similar bodies--and indirectly helped by nationalist anti-Serb outbursts from places like Ljubljana and Zagreb--proved a brilliant success. State-owned Serbian television, which for the majority of the population is the chief source of information, played a role not unlike the gusle singers. The campaign delivered the Serbian people, both those in Serbia proper and those outside, into the hands of Mr. Milosevic, Serbia's leader since 1986, and his allies, the communist generals, in their quest for a Greater Serbia. Critical voices advocating a different course--what Serbia's small opposition likes to call the "European option"--were silenced, not least because the West seemed unable or unwilling to stop the aggression. The Serbian opposition's position today is not unlike that of the anti-Nazi German in, say, 1941 or 1942 when Hitler seemed to be invincible.

It is unlikely that the bid for Greater Serbia will succeed. It will take time, however, before it becomes clear--above all to the Serbs--that it has failed. Only when the majority of Serbs have freed themselves from the powerful grip of mythical thinking will it be possible for the democratization process to begin. It will be a long haul.

Enough said!

Bg anon said...

Oh this is pretty tedious really.

Sabre rattling report and now the rather pathetic Martinovic case to stir passions.

It would seem as if the only 'sexy' subjects are rapists, murderers, bottle in anuses, armed groups, who allegedly shot first or who started it.

But an article say about peace or a rational topic nobody responds to?

Excuse me whilst I yawn.

mitrovica pika pika said...

the whole international community tried peace in Krajina and it lead to nowhere but StORM.

Serbs In Kosovo are in Danger said...

Who wrote that essay on the Martinovic case?

Any solution to the balkan problems that demands Serbs forget their history is not legit.

mitrovica pika pika said...

Actually not just forget sewerb history but for there to be peace in Balkans sewerbs must, be history.

NYoutlawyer said...

That's funny mitrovicka picka, you call Serbia sewerbia, yet albanian kosovo is literally a sewer. Have you ever been there? Or do you just spread your venim from afar?

mitrovica pika pika said...

you again nyouthouselawyer? Didnt I tell ya to go fuck your mother?

Sami said...

I'm reminded of the Serbian gendarmerie shooting their own people at Mucibaba while I was living in Gjilan.....same crap different day.

Dardan said...

Of course, the Yugoslav leadership can be blamed now (Stane Dolanc, Ivan Stambolic etc) for forcing a man to lie and admit that he is a homosexual (or whatever that is)?

Who would admit that they are a homosexual if they were not?

As claimed by a serb speaker that I happen to agree with...

"Slučaj Martinović" bio je prvi veliki ispit za Miloševićev gebelsovski propagandni aparat. Na žalost, uspješno položen. U vrijeme nemira na Kosovu krajem 80-ih i Miloševićevog uspona, trebalo je učiniti sve da se Albance prikaže kao zlikovce, teroriste i seksualne manijake. Pa se tako, iz vedra neba, ( ne znam tačno koja je godina bila, vjerovatno 1987.-1988. ) u skoro svim beogradskim novinama i na televiziji pojavila priča o Đorđu Martinoviću, seljaku s Kosova, kojeg je grupa Albanaca negdje dočekala i nabila mu pivsku flašu u guzicu. Ta vijest je u beogradskim medijima popraćena komentarima tipa " eto, sad vidite s kim mi imamo posla ", i to je, naravno, kod običnog i neobaviještenog svijeta izazvalo opšte zgražanje. Tek kasnije je istina izbila na vidjelo: jadni Martinović je, naime, bio pomalo perverzan, pa je završio u hitnoj jer mu se prilikom samozadovoljavanja zaglavila flaša u guzici. Milorad Vučelić i drugi Miloševićevi privatni Gebelsi odmah su oko toga napravili pomenutu priču, što je bio samo uvod u druge monstrouozne laži koje će prosipati narednih desetak godina, a kojima se propali Vožd i danas služi u pokušaju da se u Hagu odbrani od dvjesta godina kazne koja ga čeka za njegove bezbrojne zločine.

Now in the language that the rest of the world can understand... the P.R. campaign continued.

The next trick was paying off an old lady by Bogdan Kecman's Serbian Bozur movement so she could walk around with a rifle while she was taking care of her herd. The lady didn't know how to even shoot the darn thing (no one knew who she was, she probably didn't even live there), but it achieved the effect that Slobo wanted: convince serbs in Serbia that Kosovo serbs are suffering in the hands of albanian maniacs, terrorists, sexual predators... this was before the "muslim fundamentalist" term became popular.

So Slobo was wagging the dog long before the movie came out.

Last thing on this topic...

I was a teenager in Kosova in the 80's and I was afraid to even say hello to my serb female friends (at least they were friends until that time) since I was afraid I would be accused of "silovanje" (rape).

Kristian said...

To: Cv...

but you should also set an example of proper behavior and I reffer to you calling Ivan as Ivana. No matter how much you don't like his writings,

Actually I don't have a problem with his writings or his point of view. The Ivana joke was a few months back, you probably forgot, I don't recall how it started but it stuck as a habbit. plus I believe it irritates him since the joke started. Has nothing to do with his opinion whatsover, he can express whatever he wishes, its his right! It is also my right to bug him about the joke that started so long ago.

To: Mit....

We have a lot of scores to settle wih people who committed massacres agains us albanians.

I believe you mean bringing those responsible to justice. RIGHT????

That is the problems with ppl in the balkans. LAW is not a priority, getting revenge supercedes authority and law. After you get your revenge ok maybe then the law can come into play. That is were both serbs and albanians are not UPTO "EU STANDARDS"! They're still stuck in the past and are half ass backwards.

A lot of serbs are not to blame for the crimes of others, but they could of stood up to their govt to stop those responsible. This is a bit tricky though! Do take into consideration: You have a communist country and ppl are afraid of the govt.

Example. Do I speak out in the name of justice or do I keep my mouth shut and play safe. Many serbs took the easy road, not the one less traveled. Until it finally hit belgrade after all the economic sanctions that ppl finally saw what their govt was doing and what it was doing to them personally and economically. A tad bit late.

You can't say that we have to pay them back and demand an eye for an eye. Didn't you say you weren't personally affected in any way,shape, or form.

You should simply say I hate serbs, since your not a racist, but do me a favor why do you hate them???

Now why do Albanians in general hate serbs and vice versa???? Is it bc of personal frustrations and old hatreds. Bc numerically I can guarantee you that the ppl that do hate fiercly probably never had anything done to them on a personal level.

When albanians used to control things prior to 89. Albanian police officers beat up more albanians then the serbs after 89 up till just before the war. And there were less bloodfueds bc the police were serbs.

The propaganda and lies on both sides are so thick you can't even begin to see the truth anymore.

I need to go to bed... Peace to all!

Cvijus011 said...


Whether a joke or not, it isn't nice to make fun of ones name and I hope you understand that. Ivan probably doesn't react because he doesn't want to fall on to that level. As I told you respect to be respected.

YOu shouldn't really pay that much attention on Mitrovica's comments. I don't know where does his frustration come from even thoug a month ago I van abd I tried to discover what is his problem but without any success. So the best thing is to completelly ignore him. I mean, what is the point of communicating with someone who says that Serbs must be history (Mitrovica, no need to explain this or justify it since the words are very clear).

Kristian, I hoped I would get a comment from you on the things I wrote below on my previous post, but unfortunatelly you haven't replied on that, but I would like to know your opinion about it, just to remind you:

"As the economy is concerned, since you mention it Kristian, not that around 60% are unemployed and own cells, but there is a huge grey economy that damages the state itself. It is not only the case of Kosovo, but of all countries in Europe, but not in such a volume as Kosovo and Albania and that is to a certain extend due to the corruption at the state level. How it can be solved? hard to say, but one good step would be in regional cooperation having as a model CEFTA, creating a unique Balkan market. A big market of around 30 mil consumers can be a incentive for more investments - working places and fight against grey markets."

takingnotes said...

Question for Mitrovica: Am I correct in understanding that you are a writer for "The Economist"