Tuesday, June 27, 2006

Blair to convince Serbia of Kosovo’s inevitable independence.

LONDON, June 27 (Itar-Tass) — British Premier Tony Blair is determined to convince Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunisa during their Tuesday meeting here that he should recognise the inevitability of Kosovo’s independence, which the territory is expected to get by the end of 2006, the “Financial Times” reports.

The British side will also call on the Balkan partners once more to ensure Belgrade’s abidance by its international commitments to arrest the persons, who are charged of war crimes. In case of a refusal to implement them and of unwillingness to comply with the new vision of the configuration of the state formations in the south-eastern part of Europe, Belgrade may be confronted with tougher isolation and waning possibility of having closer relations with the European Union, the newspaper predicts.

At the same time, it notes that the Serbian public at large is exerting pressure on Kostunisa to prevent Belgrade from renouncing its “historical claims” to Kosovo. This is why the Serbian authorities are continuing to insist on “maximum possible autonomy” to the territory without granting it independence.

The newspaper also points out that the 100,000 Serbs, still remaining on the territory of Kosovo, are sounding the alarm in view of the resumption ethnic violence, intended to oust them out of Kosovo. Two hundred thousand people have reportedly fled from the territory after the 1999 hostilities, which is at least fifty per cent of the Serbian minority there. Only five per cent of them have returned to their homes in Kosovo in spite of the entry into force of the protocol on the repatriation of refugees, which was adopted with the mediation of the United Nations.

27 comments:

Serbs In Kosovo are in Danger said...

An independent Kosovo means a KLA Ceku run Kosovo and that means ethnic cleansing of Serbs. I guess Blair supports ethnic cleansing of Serbs. BIG SURPRISE!

Wim Roffel said...

It doesn't take rocket science to understand that no Serb leader can accept a type of independence where even the UN expects 70.000 Serbs to leave Kosovo. No leader of any democratic country would accept such a proposal.

Blair really needs to improve his his proposal before he starts pushing it the Serb leaders through the throat.

ilir said...

Serbs lost the moral right to decide about Kosova's future. All international community are ready to enforce a status solution which would be acceptable by the majority, WITH or WITHOUT Serbs consent. No need for Kostunica or anyone from Serbian government to sign anything.

Serbs In Kosovo are in Danger said...

Blair might as well be talking to the wind. What country would accept the UN destroying it? What if the UN wanted to take Northern Ireland away from Britain?

DimTuc said...

"What if the UN wanted to take Northern Ireland away from Britain?"

It'd be high time, IMHO

ANYC said...

"Blair really needs to improve his his proposal before he starts pushing it the Serb leaders through the throat"

I disagree-no matter what Blair has and will do it will be rejected by Serb leadership.

Serb leadership have absolute no idea what to do-they are lost and confused. They come up with things like autonomy or delay of status for 20 years. The only voice of reason is their financial minister who called the idea of incorporating 2 million Albanians into Seria-absurd. They are having problems with minorities (much smaller numbers) in Presheva, Sangjak and Vojvodina as it is. This really reveals the true colors of current serb regime; that it is doing all this talk for nothing more than propganda towards their own people. Reality will suck for them big time once they will realise how far in the hole they are...
Oh, and as far as UN giving Kosova independence being unaceptable-that is the way it is. You got it as a present from the world powers way back when and now they will take it away since you could not manage it -so stop crying. That who giveth also taketh-...

ivan said...

One thing is not clear to me, why do the world powers then "pressure" Serbs to accept the new albanian state on it s own territory. Why do they care what the Serbs think or will do, since they are more powerful and they can basicaly do what ever they please ( eg Iraq, Afghanistan). So why bother what Serbs think? Why did blair listen carefully to Kostunicas proposal and not insist on independance , as most analystics thought would happen.

what ever the world powers chose to do, I am certain that there will not be a politician in Serbia who would sing the independance. So in the end, you might be independant under the rule of NATO (lets face it, you will not be a soveirgn country in the next 20 years, you will only have a puppet governement), and at the same time in the Serbian constitution, Kosovo and Metohija will be an occupied territory, and this issue will be dragging on for ages and ages.

Why doesent the West support the partition of Kosovo and Metohija? I agree people should deserve to have a decision in what country they want to live, and if the albanians have that right, why can't the Serbs have the same right? If Kosovo and Metohija gets divided in North ( part of Serbia) and South ( new Albanian state) , both sides will feel as if they won the battle. Albanians will win their second country, and Serbs will win what was possible from Kosovo. In the end all of the politicians will be heroes in their peoples eyes.

A Pullinger said...

There is only one reason Bliar (no spelling error) supports the Albanians, which goes against any reasonable person's logic, and to find that out you need to follow the money. Just like Albright and Holbrooke, to name only two, Blair has been bought. He's as corrupt as those he supports and aligns himself with.

Ron said...

I agree with Ivan.
Let us give northern kosova to serbia, then let's give Presheva Valley to Kosova. It might work a lot better. Clean border once and for all. I do not see a problem

mitrovica pika pika said...

"Why doesent the West support the partition of Kosovo and Metohija? I agree people should deserve to have a decision in what country they want to live, and if the albanians have that right, why can't the Serbs have the same right?"

I should, that way albanians can get part of macedonia, montenegro and east Kosova. So in that aspect I agree there should be a partition.
AS far as this fat fuck Ruufel is concerened, who gives a fuck if few thousand serbs leave. Fuck em if they cant take a joke. Also look who is on serbs side, no need to elaborate anymore.Furthermore, this issue is a non issue anymore everyone here is just farting in the wind. Kosova will be independen.

NYoutlawyer said...

Go cook your husband his dinner, Mitrovicka picka. What does a stupid old woman like you know about politics. Get the fuck off this blog and go to some shifter cooking blog. Stop spreading your anti-Serbian venom, you obviously have nothing concrete to say.

ALBASOUL said...

Ivan,
Noone cares what Serbia thinks or wants. You have to understand that Blair is doing this just to have his hands clean tomorrow, "we tried to convince them but they do not listen, Screw them"
The bottom line is that it doesnt matter if Serbians will be convinced or not. We'll win

Michael Petersen said...

I think that everybody has lost track on Kosovo issue.

It doesnt matter who says what about Kosovo.

Nor Serbia or any other country will have the option to choose if Kosovo becomes independent country or not.
The only ones who will decide that is the will of Kosovos citizens and if anyone think otherwise they should go and explain it to the people living there.

Sacred Dardanicum said...

Of course that USA and UK want to push Serbia to recognize Kosova's independence.

Just think what serbians did in Balkan should they go through not punished.

srbija said...

ivan,
NO PARTITION!!!
Kosovo is Serbian - all of it!!

Kristian said...

To: Ivan


Why doesent the West support the partition of Kosovo and Metohija? I agree people should deserve to have a decision in what country they want to live, and if the albanians have that right, why can't the Serbs have the same right?


Your logic in this one is flawed a bit.
Lets say they have a referendum:


1. the people would vote to keep Kosovo/as borders the way they are.


2. they would vote to keep the northern region. Which is the mining region (trepca, etc..) This is the area where the majority of mineral deposits exist. Something serbia would like to have in exchange to to giving Kosovo/a its independence.


3. Your simply outnumbered if you do have a referendum.

4. The only political leaders that would be considered heroes would be the ones in belgrade but not by the Kosovan politicians or ppl.



So now the Serbians would prefer to keep the north but let go of their charished monasteries and churches that you Ivan always complain about. Those are not important at all to the serbians in seems.

So it all boils down to money! Keep the north. Keep the mineral deposits. Sell them and make money in the long term. And forget about those old delapitaed churches, including the ones we built in the 80's and 90's to show that the territory belongs to us.

And let Albanians have the Preshevo Valley, its in an economic crisis anyways.


To: ANYC



She's right about the treaty of Berlin and those afterwards. The super powers gave the territory of Kosovo/a to serbia bc russia had defeated the turks and the turks were in no position to object to what the west demanded.

Now it only took 100yrs for the mistake to be corrected. Had the superpowers at the time left the region alone and left it independent then. I bet you you would have a ton more serbs in Kosovo/a and relations amongst albanians and serbs would be much better then they are now.

Peace to all!

Kristian said...

ARGENTINA 6:0 S&M


The Argentinians were trying to tell serbia something during that game:


Serbia at one time you had six republics but now you have none!



Little joke I just heard from an Argentinian this past weekend.

Peace to all!

Mir said...

"
Your logic in this one is flawed a bit.
Lets say they have a referendum:


1. the people would vote to keep Kosovo/as borders the way they are.


2. they would vote to keep the northern region. Which is the mining region (trepca, etc..) This is the area where the majority of mineral deposits exist. Something serbia would like to have in exchange to to giving Kosovo/a its independence.


3. Your simply outnumbered if you do have a referendum.
"

You have made a flaw in your own argument. Since North Kosovo cant vote from independence because they are a minority of Kosovo I guess Kosovo cant vote for their independence because they are the minority within Serbia.

No kind of "values" like democracy can be possibly salvaged with the Kosovo situation. One way or the other the outcome will be forced.

"The super powers gave the territory of Kosovo/a to serbia bc russia had defeated the turks "

I suggest you brush up on your history a tiny bit.

"ARGENTINA 6:0 S&M


The Argentinians were trying to tell serbia something during that game:


Serbia at one time you had six republics but now you have none! "

Funny because your people still bitch that Kosovo was independent in Yugoslavia... so it should have been 7:0?

Kristian said...

To: Mir




You have made a flaw in your own argument. Since North Kosovo cant vote from independence because they are a minority of Kosovo I guess Kosovo cant vote for their independence because they are the minority within Serbia.


Yes, if we look at the country as a whole. But if I remember, Kosovo/a is an entity that merged with serbia the last century, then became a province with equal rights as any republic in the federation--that does mean that the region had equal rights as the republic of serbia--so they were EQUALS. Then Milo decided to strip its equality and all goverment branches of power away (autonomy).

1. The condition or quality of being autonomous; independence.
2.
1. Self-government or the right of self-government; self-determination.
2. Self-government with respect to local or internal affairs: granted autonomy to a national minority.
3. A self-governing state, community, or group.


autonomy

noun

The condition of being politically free: freedom, independence, independency, liberty, self-government, sovereignty. See dependence/independence, free/unfree.



So in reality even though serbs do outnumber albanians at the moment, the region of Kosovo/a was an independent province prior to Milo changing the constitution and the charter laws of Kosovo/a to suit his personal goals.


I suggest you brush up on your history a tiny bit.

Maybe you should read the treaty of berlin in its entirety. And see how the kingdom of serbia showed the demographics of the area to convince the Great Nations of who was who in the region and how russia played a large role in granting their (you) slavic brothers the territory of Kosovo/a. When in reality the demographics were not a true picture of the region and its peoples. And the policy of the Kingdom of serbia to regional territorial expansion with the aid of orthodox greece with the help of mother russia. You should look those up before passing judgement.


Funny because your people still bitch that Kosovo was independent in Yugoslavia... so it should have been 7:0?


Actually since your going that route then it should of been 8:0! you forgot vojvodina!

But this will never happen bc there is no S&M! Nonetheless it was the worst defeat in the worldcup history books.

And remember it was a joke by an ARGENTINIAN!

Peace to all!

ivan said...

Kristian,

"1. the people would vote to keep Kosovo/as borders the way they are.
"

Following on Mir argument, then Serbs will vote to keep the borders of Serbia the way they are!!!


"2. they would vote to keep the northern region. Which is the mining region (trepca, etc..) This is the area where the majority of mineral deposits exist. Something serbia would like to have in exchange to to giving Kosovo/a its independence"

In this region Serbs make a majority. Are you trying to get to the point, your new albanian state cant survive without Trepca. Dont forget Kosovo is officially Serbian, and you are a break away province. So since now you are bulding a new country, maybe you should also take Pancevo, since you dont have any oil industry either.

"3. Your simply outnumbered if you do have a referendum."

Not in Northern Mitrovica. There you are outnumbered. Or if we hold a referendum across whole Serbia, to make things more fair, you would then get only 20%.

"4. The only political leaders that would be considered heroes would be the ones in belgrade but not by the Kosovan politicians or ppl."

I talked face to face with albanians from Kosovo ( but the talk were held outside of Kosovo), and they have told me that albanians in Kosovo just want to get out of this limbo situation. they want independance, and thats the only thing they care about.They dont care about Northern Mitrovica.

"So now the Serbians would prefer to keep the north but let go of their charished monasteries and churches that you Ivan always complain about. Those are not important at all to the serbians in seems."

Kristian, dont pull pathetic tricks on me. I am just being realistic to the fact that albanians can not live together with serbs. You dont want to. In the former Yugoslavia you had the best conditions you ever had ( inclouding your native country Albania), and still your hate towards serbs, and the greed for serbian territory would not ease up. So the most logical conclusion would be to seperate you from Serbs. As for the churches, the are the property of SPC, so that would be like Serbian territory.

Argentina-SCG - 6:0?

Please remind me when did Albania qualify for any sports world championship.

By the way speaking of Albania, I just came back from Corfu, and I saw how beautiful the albanian coast is. The greeks are taking advantage of it, by organizing the tours to "wild albania"thats how they call it. Brits and Germans spend tons of money just to see the "wild albania", the greeks are collecting that money :o) But none of those tourist would dare to spend any time in Albania, its just enough for them to see it from the "safe"greek boat.

Lets hope you do a better job in building the new albanian country than what you managed to do in albania as of 1912.

Sacred Dardanicum said...

Mir

are you joking about minority what kind of minory when a nation comprimised 25% of whole nation that Ex-Jugoslavia had i mean prior June 1999.

And how come that Montenegrins with only 350'000 peoples can be nation and we with 2 000 000 can't be?

The fate of Kosova will be decided this year and servia will be defeated forever. Because there is no hope for returning Kosovo to serbia only in case if Europe wants to have another century with war like it had in last century.

They saw that dawings of borders was done by mistakes and it resulted with bloodshed.

The europe will impose an solution that will not make problems in future because of you serbians.

I wonder which will be next war that will be caused by serbians. Maybe 3rd world war!?

Sacred Dardanicum said...

Mir

are you joking about minority what kind of minory when a nation comprimised 25% of whole nation that Ex-Jugoslavia had i mean prior June 1999.

And how come that Montenegrins with only 350'000 peoples can be nation and we with 2 000 000 can't be?

The fate of Kosova will be decided this year and servia will be defeated forever. Because there is no hope for returning Kosovo to serbia only in case if Europe wants to have another century with war like it had in last century.

They saw that dawings of borders was done by mistakes and it resulted with bloodshed.

The europe will impose an solution that will not make problems in future because of you serbians.

I wonder which will be next war that will be caused by serbians. Maybe 3rd world war!?

Mir said...

"the region of Kosovo/a was an independent province"

Kosovo will never be "independent" (as in not being dependent on someone else) anywhere in the near future. You will be living of the powers and banks.

"But if I remember, Kosovo/a is an entity that merged with serbia the last century, then became a province with equal rights as any republic in the federation--that does mean that the region had equal rights as the republic of serbia--so they were EQUALS. Then Milo decided to strip its equality and all goverment branches of power away (autonomy)."

Kosovo and Vojvodina were two sub-states OF Serbia in Yugoslavia. Its that simple.

"Maybe you should read the treaty of berlin in its entirety. And see how the kingdom of serbia showed the demographics of the area to convince the Great Nations of who was who in the region and how russia played a large role in granting their (you) slavic brothers the territory of Kosovo/a. When in reality the demographics were not a true picture of the region and its peoples. And the policy of the Kingdom of serbia to regional territorial expansion with the aid of orthodox greece with the help of mother russia. You should look those up before passing judgement."

Maybe you should read about Montenegro, Serbia, Greece, and Macedonia (in an alliance) driving out Turks from the Balkans in the early 1900's. We fought for that land (whether it was morally/religiously/blahblahblah your land it was our spoil of war) and we won it in war. Its that simple. Now we have had a war against NATO and we lost land. That dosent mean it wont be ever reclaimed by another war though.

DimTuc said...

Mir wrote:

"We fought for that land (whether it was morally/religiously/blahblahblah your land it was our spoil of war) and we won it in war. Its that simple. Now we have had a war against NATO and we lost land. That dosent mean it wont be ever reclaimed by another war though."

Wow, and your name is 'Mir'?
As Orwell said, War=Peace

mitrovica pika pika said...

What every albanian seem to have no clue about is the idea that somehow you are going to convinvce serbs about the barbarity of the massmurders they committed against civilian population of Kosova since the end of 19th century- they think if greeks got away with it why not the serbs. they are so brainwashed by the sofist principle that there is no such thing as good and evil only winners and losers. So no matter your evidence or historic writing or any document that proves their savagery or psychosis it will not matter in the arguments with them.
In that regard you all are waisting your time. As that american general said about the serbs after srebrenica, "Kill em all, let god sort these sick fucks out!"

A1comment said...

Moral right? Then Kosovo Alabanian's should have lost the right to decide what to do with Kosovo long ago. Siding with Nazi Germany ring a bell?

mitrovica pika pika said...

"Siding with Nazi Germany ring a bell?"
Siding agains NATO ring a bell?